[10:03:44] <ShakespeareFan00>	 Okay
[10:03:51] <ShakespeareFan00>	 Before I get upset
[10:04:02] <ShakespeareFan00>	 Is there a limitation on using TemplateStyles inside a table?
[10:04:13] <ShakespeareFan00>	 https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Page:Miscellaneous_Babylonian_Inscriptions.djvu/79
[10:04:23] <ShakespeareFan00>	 and https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Template:Table_class
[10:04:35] <ShakespeareFan00>	 which currently doesn't work.
[10:04:38] <ShakespeareFan00>	 WHY?
[10:07:36] <saper>	 no clue about <templatestyles> here
[10:08:08] <ShakespeareFan00>	 Where would be the correct location to ask?
[10:08:38] <ShakespeareFan00>	 I'm increasinghy unhappy having to play hunt the pdeantic minutiae when trying to do things
[10:08:52] <ShakespeareFan00>	 *pedantic
[10:08:53] <ShakespeareFan00>	 sorry
[10:10:11] <saper>	 that's a correct place, just want to say you are not speaking to the void
[10:11:04] <saper>	 I'd go hand in hand with you to troubleshoot this, but my client wants for some stuff I should be delivering :(
[10:19:18] <thedj>	 ShakespeareFan00: lemme look
[10:19:45] <ShakespeareFan00>	 thedj: see also - https://jsfiddle.net/cxrb95sn/1/
[10:19:54] <thedj>	 ShakespeareFan00: the table is 'broken'
[10:20:02] <thedj>	 class="wikitable,cell_vtp":
[10:20:11] <thedj>	 should be class="wikitable cell_vtp"
[10:20:22] <ShakespeareFan00>	 Spaces not commas?
[10:20:51] <thedj>	 correct.
[10:21:18] <thedj>	 ShakespeareFan00: you probably are applying something you learned from css into html
[10:21:55] <thedj>	 class, otherclass { css }
[10:22:19] <thedj>	 but that that's a selector, which is not the same syntax
[10:22:36] <ShakespeareFan00>	 Okay
[10:24:13] <thedj>	 https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/HTML/Global_attributes/class
[10:28:49] <ShakespeareFan00>	 thedj: I added the spaces rather than commas here and 
[10:28:50] <ShakespeareFan00>	 https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Template:Table_class
[10:28:59] <ShakespeareFan00>	 Mediawiki decides to strip them out again
[10:33:37] <ShakespeareFan00>	 Unless I flatten the template in terms of line continuations
[10:33:54] <ShakespeareFan00>	 removing the line continuations... and it works as intended.
[10:36:09] <ShakespeareFan00>	 However there's still something wrong 
[10:36:11] <ShakespeareFan00>	 because 
[10:36:22] <ShakespeareFan00>	 https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Page:Miscellaneous_Babylonian_Inscriptions.djvu/79&oldid=9412029
[10:36:30] <ShakespeareFan00>	 Still doesn't display as intended.
[10:36:55] <ShakespeareFan00>	 Despite having checked the CSS style..
[10:37:13] <ShakespeareFan00>	 For some reason importing the relevant style sheet can't be done INSIDE the table
[10:37:22] <ShakespeareFan00>	 which makes the template less useful
[10:41:23] <saper>	 thedj: thanks for reaching out o/
[10:58:50] <ShakespeareFan00>	 thedj : all working , I just needed to import the table classes slightly differently
[11:01:57] <saper>	 cool
[11:04:52] <ShakespeareFan00>	 Of course if tables coudl import styles directly...
[11:05:06] <ShakespeareFan00>	 Wasn't there a rules param or something?
[11:05:38] <thedj>	 ah you were adding the templates style inside of the <table> tag
[11:05:43] <thedj>	 yeah that doesn't work.
[11:06:12] <saper>	 ShakespeareFan00: can you post an example on https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:TemplateStyles probably as a caveat?
[11:06:18] <thedj>	 you were writing <table <templatestyle="page"/> class="classname classname"></table>
[11:06:21] <thedj>	 that's not valid html
[11:06:30] <ShakespeareFan00>	 Okay...
[11:06:47] <ShakespeareFan00>	 I am going to now suggest something that might be controversial
[11:07:07] <ShakespeareFan00>	 currently <templatestyles> have a src= field..
[11:07:17] <ShakespeareFan00>	 which imports the relevant src files..
[11:07:26] <ShakespeareFan00>	 i.e stylesheets..
[11:07:34] <ShakespeareFan00>	 can this be multiple.. 
[11:07:53] <thedj>	 just add multiple templatestyles tags.
[11:08:19] <ShakespeareFan00>	 because as rules= is not a valid table attribute in HTML5 it would seem plausible it could be repurposed in mediawiki to act as a tablestyles import 
[11:08:34] <saper>	 is this roughly T176272 ?
[11:08:34] <stashbot>	 T176272: Decide on what to recommend for table style usecase - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T176272
[11:08:38] <ShakespeareFan00>	 Roughly
[11:09:28] <ShakespeareFan00>	 But I am saying tables processing might need a way to specify additional styles.. 
[11:09:48] <ShakespeareFan00>	 and a repurposed rules= parameter might be the way to do it
[11:10:03] <ShakespeareFan00>	 given that Mediawiki translates table syntax anyway
[11:10:23] <ShakespeareFan00>	 A concern arises if the parser is seeing class= before rules= though
[11:10:37] <ShakespeareFan00>	 because it needs to see the modified CSS classes before it can reference them
[11:12:30] <ShakespeareFan00>	 Having the ability to import custom table stylesheet would be VERY useful and could potentially reduce both the amount of inline CSS needed (Wikipedia) or in reducing the number of multiple calls to {{table style}} at English Wikisource..
[11:12:45] <ShakespeareFan00>	 CSS classing is usally done browser side, not server side IIRC
[11:13:03] <ShakespeareFan00>	 which potentially offloads some post processing I think.
[11:14:11] <thedj>	 i'm confused.. Why not convert each tl:Table style param into a separate classname and have all classnames in a single file that you just import ?
[11:14:54] <thedj>	 yes, it's more bytes, but the pages that it applies to are comparatively very limited, so that shouldn't be a problem
[11:18:32] <ShakespeareFan00>	 thedj: Well that was one of the eventual ideas..
[11:18:55] <ShakespeareFan00>	 but ts codes are relaitvely short..
[11:19:41] <ShakespeareFan00>	 With a tablestyles option much much more extensive styling could be written.
[11:20:16] <thedj>	 sure, but same with inline css... this is one of those flexibility vs manageability issues.
[11:20:28] <ShakespeareFan00>	 True
[11:20:47] <ShakespeareFan00>	 Also by moving stuff to classes there are less parser function calls used
[11:21:01] <thedj>	 ultimate flexibility mixes badle with ultimately manageability and at some point you have just recreated the one type of functionality inside the other ;)
[11:21:26] <ShakespeareFan00>	 TS currently uses about 9 if class and a switch 
[11:21:32] <ShakespeareFan00>	 *if functions
[11:21:51] <ShakespeareFan00>	 On some LONG tables this can have a performance impact..
[11:22:01] <ShakespeareFan00>	 Thanks for the vote of support though :)
[11:44:49] <thedj>	 ShakespeareFan00: one thing that has been talked about at some point, is to have a list of classnames defined centrally + the templatestyles page that goes with it, then when the parser encounters the classname, it would automatically load those templatestyles
[11:46:14] <thedj>	 but that requires an aggressive change in the parser logic, so things like that usually require a lot of argumentation to make it happen. Because once added to the parser, things can hardly ever be removed again
[12:01:09] <ShakespeareFan00>	 Quite
[12:04:04] <Vulpix>	 From https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:TemplateStyles: "Styles included by a template can currently affect content on the page outside of the content generated by that template, but this ability may be removed in the future and should not be relied upon."
[12:10:52] <james74>	 hiya - i've just installed mediawiki for the first time, and my question is how can I get posts to show under /mediawiki/wiki/postname, (i seem to be missing the wiki folder? Not sure if i'm explaining myself very well, so apologies in advance!
[12:52:55] <Vulpix>	 !shorturl
[12:52:55] <wm-bot>	 To create simple URLs (such as the /wiki/PAGENAME style URLs on Wikimedia sites), follow the instructions at <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Short_URL> or try the new beta tool at <http://shorturls.redwerks.org/>. There are instructions for most different webserver setups. If you have problems getting the rewrite rules to work, see !rewriteproblem
[12:53:02] <Vulpix>	 james74: ^
[13:09:16] <james74>	 @Vulpix-looks exactly what I'm looking for thank you! :)
[13:33:52] <ShakespeareFan00>	 Okay what's gone wrong now?
[13:34:01] <ShakespeareFan00>	 https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Template:Table_class/tableclasses.css
[13:34:12] <ShakespeareFan00>	 I copy an EXACT line across and it doesn't work
[13:34:18] <ShakespeareFan00>	 to apply the right style
[13:35:26] <ShakespeareFan00>	 Style is boxc
[13:35:34] <ShakespeareFan00>	 If I apply this inline it works
[13:41:54] <ShakespeareFan00>	 I have had enough
[13:42:10] <ShakespeareFan00>	 Can someone explain what's wrong with this style_sheet please
[13:42:12] <ShakespeareFan00>	 ?
[13:42:38] <ShakespeareFan00>	 https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Template:Table_class/tableclasses.css
[13:42:57] <ShakespeareFan00>	 because it's generating completely spurious borders I NEVER put in 
[13:43:07] <ShakespeareFan00>	 when I use it to format something
[13:43:43] <ShakespeareFan00>	 and for some reason mediawiki seems to STUPIDLY tidy __name into something with an escaped charcter breaking it
[13:44:01] <ShakespeareFan00>	 when I try to use that name elsewhere
[13:44:23] <ShakespeareFan00>	 which means my nicel formatted CSS styles don't get invoked properly
[13:57:53] <james74>	 so I have updated my nginx.conf, and LocalSettings.php with the info that I found here: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Short_URL the change now shows as having the short-URLs, but it doesn't display properly screenshot: https://imgur.com/a/1OehV0v
[13:58:17] <james74>	 any thoughts would be great! Many thanks in advance!
[13:59:47] <ShakespeareFan00>	 So I use the SAME template call in 2 places and get a different result
[13:59:47] <ShakespeareFan00>	 https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/User:ShakespeareFan00/sandbox#Classed_table
[13:59:55] <Reedy>	 james74: Check your browser console, it'll probably point at some clues
[14:00:01] <ShakespeareFan00>	 https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Page:The_Naturalisation_of_the_Supernatural.pdf/251
[14:00:16] <ShakespeareFan00>	 You would expect the SAME code to produce the Same RESULT?
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[14:02:02] <ShakespeareFan00>	 Sorry folks.. Having frustrations
[14:02:14] <ShakespeareFan00>	 Time to take a break
[14:03:37] <buovjaga>	 Any Translate extension gurus around? We had an Italian translator do some confused edits (to source page at first) and after I restored things, the Italian version displays both the old style translation menu and the new: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/Calc/118/it
[14:03:56] <buovjaga>	 For context, we are slowly migrating to Translate from an older system
[14:05:50] <buovjaga>	 argh, now I think I can fix it
[14:06:49] <buovjaga>	 gosh darnit, the "Translate" vs. "Edit" link threw me off - I can use the direct WikiAction/edit/ path to get to the source and remove the thing
[14:07:31] <buovjaga>	 except I can't "This page cannot be updated manually." blah, I guess I will ask our admin
[14:21:40] <james74>	 Reedy: seems to be a mime-type mismatch
[14:21:58] <james74>	 The resource from “http://wiki.chilli.ai/w/load.php?debug=false&lang=en-gb&modules=startup&only=scripts&skin=vector” was blocked due to MIME type (“text/html”) mismatch
[14:22:49] <james74>	 would it be useful to post my nginx.conf, mediawiki.conf here (using pastebin) do you think?
[14:35:13] <Vulpix>	 james74: open that URL on your browser. Does it display a HTML page? or JavaScript?
[14:36:23] <james74>	 html by the looks of it!
[14:39:13] <james74>	 i also get this in my console output: Loading failed for the <script> with source “http://wiki.chilli.ai/w/load.php?debug=false&lang=en-gb&modules=startup&only=scripts&skin=vector”.
[14:39:42] <james74>	 so I'm no expect but because the script wasn't loaded then i think it means that it's the html that's working, or?
[14:39:46] <james74>	 *expert
[14:44:35] <thedj>	 ShakespeareFan00: checking
[14:46:45] <Vulpix>	 james74: Your rewrite rules are probably wrong, and the URL instead of generating a script or CSS file, it's loading a normal wiki page (or error page?)
[14:47:51] <james74>	 ok, so I'll go back into the nginx.conf, and comment out the new sections (those to provide me a shorturl), and then enable them one by one, until i hit the error. Sounds sensible?
[14:50:08] <Vulpix>	 can you share your nginx.conf in http://dpaste.de/ ?
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[14:56:40] <thedj>	 ShakespeareFan00: hmm, i'll need a bit more info, but note that borders on table cells are notoriouisly hellish, especially when collapsed ;)
[14:56:47] <thedj>	 esp in Firefox
[14:57:54] <james74>	 sure - it's here: https://dpaste.de/FHA8
[14:59:22] <james74>	 btw here's my mediawiki.conf (from /etc/nginx/) https://dpaste.de/tQWs
[15:04:16] <Vulpix>	 james74: I'd remove the section "# pass the PHP scripts to FastCGI server listening on 127.0.0.1:9000"
[15:04:38] <Vulpix>	 unless you have some other php scripts/app outside of /w
[15:04:59] <Vulpix>	 What do you see if you open http://wiki.chilli.ai/w/load.php?debug=false&lang=en-gb&modules=startup&only=scripts&skin=vector ?
[15:07:59] <james74>	 ok i've commented it out, and restarted nginx. i only have mediawiki on that server (it's an odroid N2)
[15:09:23] <james74>	 if i click on that link (after commenting out the section you suggested) then I see this: https://imgur.com/a/BKY9byy
[15:25:09] <Lcawte>	 james74, Where'd you get that config from? I'm assuming not https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Short_URL/Nginx ?
[15:25:21] <Vulpix>	 james74: I think the rule is wrong, and intead of |fastcgi_param SCRIPT_FILENAME $document_root/w/$fastcgi_script_name;|, you should have |fastcgi_param SCRIPT_FILENAME $document_root/$fastcgi_script_name;|, because $fastcgi_script_name; is supposed to already have the path. Still, it shouldn't request the index.php
[15:27:24] <james74>	 alot of my nginx.conf does come from: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Short_URL/Nginx - let me check that I copied it all correctly.  I placed it within the server {} section. 
[15:29:31] <james74>	 @vulpix i'm sorry i can't see any difference between the two lines that you wrote just now...!
[15:30:31] <Lcawte>	 Vulpix, Is it L8 (the .php5 file extension?) - surely that misses almost every .php script in the directory?
[15:31:47] <Vulpix>	 I don't see php5 extensions on the nginx.conf
[15:35:51] <Lcawte>	 Oh okay, yeah, it isn't in the nginx.conf but was in that first dpaste, the mediawiki.conf
[15:43:09] <Lcawte>	 james74, Your nginx.conf, L38 - did you change that specifically for the dpaste or is that how it is on your server? Just trying to work out why you've got two config files for this, and what is actually being loaded.
[15:48:42] <james74>	 so there's two files the nginx.conf, which calls the mediawiki.conf.  They're both exactly coming from my server.  The mediawiki was created when i installed mediawiki, and there's no changes to that file at all. the nginx.conf I think i got it from the mediawiki site (and everything worked fine), then wehn i added the shortURL code to the (under the server section), then that was when it stopped working properly. 
[15:48:42] <james74>	 hope that makes sense?
[15:54:09] <ShakespeareFan00>	 Hi
[15:54:23] <ShakespeareFan00>	 Is there a way to do <tag /> with a parser function?
[15:54:37] <ShakespeareFan00>	 Currently I have to do it as <tag></tag> which looks ugly
[15:58:54] <james74>	 i'm happy to try to take someone else's nginx.conf file, and simply amend e.g the wikiname etc, if you think that that might be an idea?
[15:59:03] <Skizzerz>	 ShakespeareFan00: what <tag> are you referring to?
[15:59:38] <Skizzerz>	 there's two different types of <tags> in wiki markup and the rules for each are different. I need to know which of those two you're trying to use before I can help you out
[15:59:59] <Skizzerz>	 (the two types being tag extensions and regular html tags)
[16:03:41] <Lcawte>	 james74, I'd give you a single wiki Nginx file if I had my other laptop on me but I'm in the library "revising"
[16:11:58] <james74>	 lcawte: thanks that's a nice thought, but you should revise for sure. but perhaps if we don;t get to the bottom of it then you can send your single wiki nginx config file to me later on?
[16:15:21] <Lcawte>	 The one on the wiki looks pretty similar (mine doesn't have the added security/access control the on wiki one has because I run them locally) I just have all my server blocks in their own files in sites-enabled.
[16:28:42] <james74>	 so i remembered where I got my original nginx.conf file from, and it was arch wiki: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/MediaWiki#Nginx
[18:48:39] <ShakespeareFan00>	 Skizzerz: Pusedo tags... I.e ones that are from extensions
[18:49:44] <Skizzerz>	 {{#tag:tagname|param1=foo|param2=bar|Inner content}} is equivalent to <tagname param1="foo" param2="bar">Inner content</tagname> except that wiki markup inside (such as template parameters) is expanded/parsed
[18:50:13] <Skizzerz>	 is that what you're after?
[18:59:50] <c>	 anyone have any experience running mediawiki on Amazon Aurora (which is allegedly mysql 5.6+ compatible)
[18:59:51] <ShakespeareFan00>	 Except what i need is <tagname param1="foo" />
[19:01:46] <duesen>	 ShakespeareFan00: i missed the start of the convo - what are you trying to do with these tags?
[19:03:21] <ShakespeareFan00>	 duesen: https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Template:Table_class/import
[19:04:08] <ShakespeareFan00>	 Or defer the processing so that the TemplateStyles get imported to the page the template appears on
[19:04:16] <ShakespeareFan00>	 as opposed to the template itself
[19:05:10] <duesen>	 ShakespeareFan00: iirc, TemplateStyles goes through great pain to ensure that the styles do *not* leak to the page on which the template is used.
[19:05:31] <ShakespeareFan00>	 Hmm
[19:05:50] <duesen>	 TemplateStyles is really magic, it's not like a "simple" tag that basically generates wikitext.
[19:06:01] <ShakespeareFan00>	 The reason why it needs to import to a specfic page is because currently you can't invoke it inside a table 
[19:06:23] <duesen>	 I have no idea what improt means here, or invoke :)
[19:06:33] <ShakespeareFan00>	 *import 
[19:06:41] <ShakespeareFan00>	 duesen: https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Page:Miscellaneous_Babylonian_Inscriptions.djvu/79&action=edit
[19:06:43] <duesen>	 yes, my type
[19:06:46] <duesen>	 typo even
[19:07:16] <ShakespeareFan00>	 In the linked page by importing the template styles for tables I'd written 
[19:07:30] <ShakespeareFan00>	 I've saved myself from writing a LOT of inline CSS
[19:07:37] <ShakespeareFan00>	 or making a huge number of template calls
[19:08:09] <ShakespeareFan00>	 1 stylesheet and 9 parse functions formats the whole table..
[19:08:39] <ShakespeareFan00>	 previously I would have had 10 parser function calls for each formatting code I wanted to use :)
[19:08:48] <duesen>	 that soudns pretty cool, but i'm afraid i'm not familiar enough with templatestyles to know in detail what'S going on.
[19:08:48] <ShakespeareFan00>	 Means the page loads considerably faster
[19:09:02] <ShakespeareFan00>	 duesen: Is there someone here that is?
[19:10:53] <duesen>	 I'm trying to find out who that might be
[19:12:01] <duesen>	 tgr perhaps. 
[19:12:14] <duesen>	 anomie worked on it, but he's on vacation
[20:46:56] <tgr>	 ShakespeareFan00: TemplateStyles does not support CSS generated dynamically from wikitext, that was an intentional design choice
[20:56:13] <tgr>	 https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Topic:Tknqwttuhm7movox has some background
[20:57:20] <tgr>	 not sure if that's what you were asking
[21:28:50] <ShakespeareFan00>	 tgr: The CSS is static
[21:30:09] <ShakespeareFan00>	 tgr: I wasn't
[21:30:26] <ShakespeareFan00>	 asking about doing dynamic CSS.
[21:30:38] <ShakespeareFan00>	 There's a security issue in doing dynamic CSS
[21:31:44] <tgr>	 there isn't, the security surface is the same no matter how you generate it
[21:32:14] <tgr>	 but we want to turn TemplateStyles subpages into MCR slots eventually
[21:33:02] <tgr>	 and in general, once you allow people to use dynamic features there's no way to go back, so better to not allow it when there isn't a compelling use case
[22:54:56] <james74>	 does anyone have a basic nginx config file for a single home-use mediawiki site that they can send to me please?
[22:55:10] <james74>	 mines borked :(
[22:58:07] <Akash>	 hi
[22:58:40] <james74>	 hey :)
[22:59:12] <Akash>	 Could you help me regarding phab tasks?