[01:00:03] <at0mix249>	 Hello
[01:30:52] <at0mix249>	 ...
[02:15:28] <c>	 when i'm adding multiple replicas do I need to keep it at 0, 1, 1, etc or how can I split up the load? the documentation is not great for this 
[02:55:25] <c>	 having all the replicas at 1 presumably shares the read query load, but I wasn't sure how else it could be dispersed. occasionally one replica will be a LOT higher load than the other...and vice versa. somethings both are completely normal. I am trying to keep everything as even as possible but the randomly dispersed load makes little sense sometimes
[02:56:52] <c>	 s/somethings/sometimes/
[03:15:57] <legoktm>	 c: MediaWiki code-style doesn't put () for require_once to ensure it isn't confused with a function call
[03:22:38] <c>	 legoktm: what
[03:23:01] <legoktm>	 https://www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=Template:ExtensionInstall&curid=86529&action=history showed up on my watchlist
[03:23:31] <c>	 oh that was from like a month ago. I was like what does that have to do with replica dbs <_<
[03:27:07] <c>	 legoktm: we will pretend to ignore the fact that every manual known to man uses parentheticals, therefore I will divert your change of subject and point you back to my question about replica dbs :)
[03:27:49] <legoktm>	 I have no idea how MW replica configuration works, lets see
[03:28:30] <c>	 the example config on the $wgDBservers page uses 2 replicas and a 0, 1, 1 split but it doesn't really delve deeper than that
[03:31:40] <legoktm>	 		// Pick a server to use, accounting for weights, load, lag, and "waitForPos"
[03:32:11] <legoktm>	 load is calculated by LoadMonitorMysql and then it also looks at replag I think
[03:32:22] <legoktm>	 so...I don't have a good answer on how to tune it
[03:32:30] <legoktm>	 make sure you're using LoadMonitorMysql and not a generic implementation?
[03:34:36] <c>	 all our instances are on AWS RDS and they have their own monitoring thing so I'm not sure if that's what they're using? I just wasn't sure how the numbers on the replicas could be manipulated other than needing to have a SUM of greater than 1
[03:37:29] <legoktm>	 LoadMonitorMysql is just calculating the load on the db server, and then giving to the loadbalancer as another number to factor in when picking a replica
[03:37:56] <legoktm>	 I think tweaking the numbers is kind of your best bet in shifting the load around
[03:38:05] <legoktm>	 but that's not absolute, MW is also looking at other things too
[03:40:37] <c>	 how are they tweaked though? if I have one master and five replicas that is a SUM of 6 with all replicas set to 1
[03:40:45] <c>	 er SUM of 5
[03:41:28] <legoktm>	 I think it's just all proportional?
[03:41:33] <legoktm>	 I'd check the Wikimedia config as well
[03:42:01] <legoktm>	 https://noc.wikimedia.org/conf/highlight.php?file=db-eqiad.php
[03:42:08] <legoktm>	 using stuff like 100, 500, etc
[03:43:53] <c>	 that's a bit more complex obviously but I'm a bit confused on what these numbers signify
[03:55:21] <legoktm>	 they're just ratios I think
[04:02:08] <c>	 :thonk:
[04:31:05] <BradLee>	 Hi. I have installed a brand new MW 1.33, brand new database, no extensions installed yet. I am trying to run the update.php from the command line and am getting an error
[04:31:21] <c>	 what's the error?
[04:31:25] <BradLee>	 Parse error: syntax error, unexpected '?' in /home/smiliepe/public_html/t2/maintenance/update.php on line 254
[04:32:42] <c>	 have you validated your LocalSettings.php for an unexpected '?'
[04:34:08] <BradLee>	 How do I do that?
[04:34:16] <BradLee>	 Sorry, I am fairly new to this
[04:34:37] <c>	 did you do any custom editing to LocalSettings.php after using the web installer?
[04:35:06] <BradLee>	 No, not yet
[04:36:43] <BradLee>	 I have included a single extension down the bottom of my LocalSettings.php which I wish to install but not got it working yet
[04:37:01] <BradLee>	 I tried commenting it out, to see if that was causing the problem
[04:37:09] <BradLee>	 but I still get the error message
[04:39:46] <legoktm>	 BradLee: what PHP version are you using?
[04:40:22] <legoktm>	 I think you're using a version that's too old. We require basically 7.0 or higher
[04:42:11] <BradLee>	 I am using 7.1.30
[04:42:36] <BradLee>	 my web host allows for different php versions to run
[04:43:01] <BradLee>	 so I have also tried 7.2.20
[04:43:13] <BradLee>	 and 7.3.7
[04:44:10] <BradLee>	 I don't think that is the problem as the wiki seemsm to have installed properly
[04:44:32] <BradLee>	 i get the wiki default look, can log in, can also edit and save pages
[04:45:24] <BradLee>	 for ome reason though i cant run the update.php, which i need to be able to do to start installing some extensions
[05:13:44] <BradLee>	 Any other ideas of things to check? try?
[05:53:47] <c>	 BradLee: did you try commenting out or removing the extension line from LocalSettings.php and then running the update script again?
[05:55:25] <BradLee>	 Yes
[05:55:41] <BradLee>	 It didn't make a diffenece unfortunately
[05:57:01] <BradLee>	 Thanks for the suggestion though
[05:58:44] <c>	 Generally, if you took the localsettings.php the web installer generated for you and made no modifications whatsoever but you're still getting an error, that would be rather odd
[06:01:37] <BradLee>	 I know. I'm completely lost as to why. When I went to install it there were no problems listed in the pre-checks. And after it had completed installing, I got all the usual green ticks about the database tables being updated successfully.
[06:23:04] <groceryheist>	 .2
[07:00:43] <BradLee>	 I've just deleted the wiki done a fresh install and I'm getting exactly the same error message *facepalm*
[07:00:49] <BradLee>	 Parse error: syntax error, unexpected '?' in /home/smiliepe/public_html/t2/maintenance/update.php on line 254
[07:40:29] <thedj>	 BradLee: sounds like you are using php 5.6 with a MediaWiki version that requires php 7.0 or higher
[07:41:02] <thedj>	 BradLee: run php -v
[07:41:19] <thedj>	 sometimes your commandline version of php differs from your webserver's version.
[08:33:11] <BradLee>	 @thedj it seems that you are correct
[08:35:20] <BradLee>	 command line version is in fact 5.6.40, whilst the web version is 7.1.30
[08:40:22] <BradLee>	 i guess that means that I will not be able to run it until my web host updates, correct?
[09:12:38] <thedj>	 BradLee: usually there is a php7 commandline variant or something.
[09:13:31] <thedj>	 or look inside /usr/local/ for the binaries of the other versions of php 
[09:13:36] <thedj>	 then simply run them by path
[09:13:55] <thedj>	 or php72 php73 etc..
[09:23:10] <BradLee>	 Ok thanks. If I have any more trouble I will contact my webhost provider. At least I know why it's not working now, so I have something to go on.
[09:23:40] <BradLee>	 Kind regards to everyone else who helped me out too
[09:23:48] <thedj>	 BradLee: no problem. good luck
[09:25:15] <thedj>	 interesting point btw.. we have a version check on the webhost, but not on the maintenance tools.. yet the update maintenance is the very first most people will run... we should probably fix that...
[09:31:35] <BradLee>	 Yeah, I was not even aware that different Web and CLI PHP versions could simultaneously exist. I suppose people who do this sort of thing regularly would be aware of such a potential issue though. 
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[14:38:26] <antoine__>	 Hey everyone, i'm trying to connect to the mediawiki api but it always redirect me to the api help page, the response contains the "bodyUsed: false" tag, i cannot figure out how to actually resolving this bug, i did put the code in the helpdesk, thanks for your help
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[15:36:39] <mbh82>	 anyone here? I can't create new task on phab, where I can report this?
[15:39:44] <sario528>	 Try #wikimedia-tech 
[16:25:29] <ShakespeareFan00>	 Hi
[16:25:34] <ShakespeareFan00>	 Quick enquiry
[16:25:49] <ShakespeareFan00>	 What d <REF> and <REFRENCES /> Generate?
[16:26:07] <ShakespeareFan00>	 Because I've got a warning about DIV SPAN swaps from lint
[16:26:41] <ShakespeareFan00>	 in respect of some transcluded pages, but the only things on those pages are Reference tags that wrap a DIV based element
[16:27:15] <ShakespeareFan00>	 https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Special:WhatLinksHere/Page:King_Solomon%27s_Mines_(1907).djvu/234
[16:27:27] <ShakespeareFan00>	 I can't figure out where the bad nesting is
[16:27:39] <ShakespeareFan00>	 because there is NOTHING present that should be causing it
[16:29:53] <ShakespeareFan00>	 Unless the references themselves are span based?
[16:31:49] <duesen>	 that actually seems likely
[16:32:09] <duesen>	 i don't think you can have block level elements in references
[16:32:24] <duesen>	 but then, i'm by no means an expert for this stuff
[16:34:48] <ShakespeareFan00>	 duesen: Worth raising a phabricator ticket?
[16:35:09] <ShakespeareFan00>	 Because if that's correct then a LOT of pages at English Wikisource are broken
[16:35:25] <ShakespeareFan00>	 because Extension:Cite is used extensively 
[16:35:28] <ShakespeareFan00>	 to do footnotes
[16:36:56] <ShakespeareFan00>	 Congratulations: https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Page:King_Solomon%27s_Mines_(1907).djvu/234
[16:37:05] <ShakespeareFan00>	 You just broke Wikisource :lol:
[16:37:24] <ShakespeareFan00>	 Given that it shows EXACTLY the problem
[16:37:38] <ShakespeareFan00>	 but doesn't generate any warning 
[16:45:29] <ShakespeareFan00>	 Back in a bit - Need to update something on my computer
[17:13:39] <ShakespeareFan00>	 Is phrabrictor having issues?
[17:13:40] <ShakespeareFan00>	 https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T49544
[17:13:48] <ShakespeareFan00>	 This generates an error...
[17:15:30] <ShakespeareFan00>	 Also how do I change the task type? 
[17:15:31] <ShakespeareFan00>	 https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T226400
[17:15:38] <ShakespeareFan00>	 This should be a Feature request?
[17:22:23] <MatmaRex>	 there is no way to change task type
[17:27:03] <ShakespeareFan00>	 How do I create A Feature request instead of Bug then>
[17:27:05] <ShakespeareFan00>	 ?
[17:27:17] <ShakespeareFan00>	 Given that task types were recently expanded to enable this?
[17:30:45] <James_F>	 MatmaRex: Yes there is. Choose "Change subtype" from the drop-down of actions on a given task.
[17:31:28] <MatmaRex>	 oh. that's new
[17:31:36] <MatmaRex>	 i remember complaining that this feature didn't exist
[17:32:08] <James_F>	 Yeah, it was added when we upgraded a couple of months ago.
[17:32:13] <MatmaRex>	 https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T176354#3623136
[17:32:21] <James_F>	 Never let people say that whining achieves nothing. ;-)
[17:33:27] <ShakespeareFan00>	 James_F: Only for admins? Because I don't see a Change task type on a normal login
[17:33:50] <ShakespeareFan00>	 I have a few things that should be Feature requests
[17:35:42] <ShakespeareFan00>	 https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/maniphest/task/edit/185412/ is another that should be Feature request type