[03:20:53] <Kurnn>	 10 Print "Hi, I had an wiki account I made 2013 with this nick. Forgot pass. Anything I can do?
[03:21:17] <Kurnn>	 Load "Question to wiki people", 8,1
[03:24:02] <Kurnn>	 Anyone up to help a noob to get wiki account back, or tell me "create a newone *badword*
[03:26:40] <Kurnn>	 This almost looks like the old Mirc. Or a Zmud client :p. neato. I just wanna keep my nick on Wiki. Possible?
[03:30:07] <Kurnn>	 If someone helps me, Ill give you a number to a swedish blond =).
[03:59:14] <bawolff>	 Kurnn: do you know the email associated with it?
[03:59:35] <HeXiLeD>	 how about an intelligent brunett?
[03:59:35] <bawolff>	 If so you can do password reset (dont need the nick)
[03:59:44] <Kurnn>	 hey. I didnt add an email back then. thats what the wiki tells me too
[04:00:30] <Kurnn>	 I could keep try different passowrds, but it was 2013, and I am a computernerd from the 80ies...I dont use the same passes :p
[04:00:51] <bawolff>	 Oh i thought you said you forgot username?
[04:00:56] <HeXiLeD>	 and no password management app?
[04:01:02] <Kurnn>	 username is Kurnn
[04:01:12] <Kurnn>	 app, in 2013? :p
[04:01:18] <Kurnn>	 no
[04:01:39] <bawolff>	 So basically if you can prove its yours with a high degree confidence we can give it back to you
[04:01:53] <HeXiLeD>	 last time i printed my 3 to 100 char passwords and logins, i used 40 sheets. Does not seem you are that much form the 80s 
[04:01:56] <HeXiLeD>	 how can you prove you are you ?
[04:01:56] <Kurnn>	 ok sir How can I prove that?
[04:02:10] <bawolff>	 High degree confidence basically means you are friends irl with someone in high places
[04:02:21] <Kurnn>	 hey! I am from 9+ies but one of the gamers! not you coders!
[04:02:40] <Kurnn>	 80ies
[04:03:04] <HeXiLeD>	 yah. pgp digital cert? digital sig? 512 shasum at least? static ip?
[04:03:07] <HeXiLeD>	 anything 
[04:03:08] <Kurnn>	 You fight like a dairy farmer! (that prove I am from 80ies?)
[04:03:38] <Kurnn>	 nope. I had the same ISP from 2000 - 2019-03-01. 
[04:03:42] <Kurnn>	 so new IP now
[04:03:51] <bawolff>	 https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Password_reset/Confirming_identities is our internal docs
[04:03:52] <HeXiLeD>	 what if you are trying to social engineer us to get axx to someone elses account?
[04:04:25] <HeXiLeD>	 and why not just create a new acc ?
[04:04:36] <Kurnn>	 Fo you have any functins, rutines, ways to screen that out?
[04:05:03] <bawolff>	 It rarely works out unless you have like some super active admin to vouch for you that everyone knows
[04:05:04] <Kurnn>	 I did one post...one thing. so its not the whole wrold. but I want my nick. I had Kurnn, since 2001 in RPGMMOs =)
[04:05:42] <HeXiLeD>	 well... 90's you say ... right? ... ummm... millennial, correct? 
[04:05:58] <HeXiLeD>	 so here are some bad news. if you cannot prove that you is you. 
[04:06:02] <Kurnn>	 that I dont have. this is the first time I "talk" to anyone in the wiki world. I use wiki like the rest 250 million people. but Id like an account now since it keeps track of me
[04:06:06] <Kurnn>	 80ies!
[04:06:07] <HeXiLeD>	 you aint getting it.
[04:06:12] <bawolff>	 Maybe we would be less stringent if nobody has used the account and you clearly use that name elsewhere
[04:06:17] <Kurnn>	 I played Pong!
[04:06:36] <Kurnn>	 it hasnt been logged in since 2013. and only once I think
[04:06:38] <Kurnn>	 me
[04:06:40] <HeXiLeD>	 same thing 80's 90 's. security != entitlement :P
[04:06:52] <Kurnn>	 not same thing! 
[04:07:02] <Kurnn>	 oh
[04:07:11] <HeXiLeD>	 i played with 8bit, 16bit, 49k and 128k computers and modded their hardware.
[04:07:19] <Kurnn>	 I sold Sun Microsofystem in the 90ies, I know solaris ;)
[04:07:22] <HeXiLeD>	 do you remember those days? :P
[04:07:35] <Kurnn>	 and how that companiy died 2003 when oracle bought em
[04:07:47] <bawolff>	 Kurnn: it may qualify as a usurpation request maybe
[04:07:47] <Kurnn>	 of course!
[04:07:58] <HeXiLeD>	 listen man. Basic common sense. https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Password_reset/Confirming_identities is all you need
[04:07:58] <Kurnn>	 I had C64 first. 86, I think
[04:08:12] <Kurnn>	 2 years later. Amiga 500....wow
[04:08:37] <HeXiLeD>	 next time start using pgp and digital sigs. No matter what changes, if you have a keypair, you will always be you
[04:08:43] <Kurnn>	 -91, PC in my dads office with Dos6 and ...Win 3.1? (WRF should I do with this?)
[04:09:13] <bawolff>	 https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:CentralAuth/Kurnn no edits, probably could get a usurpation
[04:09:24] <Kurnn>	 I understad. But when I made the wiki, I didnt really consider that account "very important to be secure"
[04:09:30] <HeXiLeD>	 listen, youngster... or in your words 'ma'man' Just make another account.
[04:09:36] <Kurnn>	 youngster?
[04:09:52] <HeXiLeD>	 yes. between me and you. of course.
[04:09:55] <HeXiLeD>	 ;)
[04:09:59] <Kurnn>	 Sir, whats the code to the dungeon in Maniac mansion?
[04:10:07] <HeXiLeD>	 so you made the wiki? Where you cannot login?
[04:10:14] <bawolff>	 Kurnn: read through https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Changing_username/Usurpations
[04:10:17] <Kurnn>	 the accont Kurn. yes
[04:10:27] <HeXiLeD>	 Kurnn:pokes and cheats now? those days are gone.
[04:10:41] <HeXiLeD>	 okay, which wiki are you talking about ? since you made a wiki.
[04:10:50] <Kurnn>	 I checked all help already. I didnt make any Kurnn/page
[04:11:06] <Kurnn>	 I only eedited. added on one wiki page with Kurnn, pass. thats it
[04:11:16] <HeXiLeD>	 shows the url
[04:11:37] <Kurnn>	 I didnt make a wiki page
[04:11:42] <Kurnn>	 I edited/added to one
[04:11:57] <HeXiLeD>	 show.
[04:12:21] <Kurnn>	 moment...it poped upwhen I tried to log in. 
[04:12:54] <bawolff>	 You may also get better help at a wikipedia specific channel like #wikipedia-en-help
[04:13:10] <HeXiLeD>	 you are not even registered here or logged with with an ssl/tls certificate and fingerprint. you could be anyone. 
[04:13:14] <Kurnn>	 https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:CentralAuth?target=Kurnn
[04:13:38] <Kurnn>	 Im sorry, but I wasnt sure where to start to ask. =)
[04:13:48] <Kurnn>	 well
[04:13:56] <HeXiLeD>	 on wikimedia ?
[04:13:59] <Kurnn>	 I can register here...its not my wiki?
[04:14:08] <HeXiLeD>	 non is your wiki man
[04:14:34] <HeXiLeD>	 unless you self host one, none is yours. on others, you are a contributor.
[04:14:44] <Kurnn>	 I chcked all the wiki help for users "help to log in etc". this is my last port of call....before I create a new account and DONT get my nick!
[04:14:55] <Kurnn>	 okay
[04:15:01] <Kurnn>	 contributor....sure
[04:15:02] <HeXiLeD>	 so... first thing to do, young man, is to move all this energy towards wikimedia admins
[04:15:14] <bawolff>	 Nick registration isnt enough to prove identity so thats a moot point....
[04:15:40] <HeXiLeD>	 bawolff: of course not. unless he uses the same cert fp on all his stuff. 
[04:15:42] <bawolff>	 (Freenode nick registration that is)
[04:15:45] <Kurnn>	 call me young man again, and Ill hit you with my magic staff+10 from Ultima 3 (1982)
[04:16:29] <Kurnn>	 my IP is not the same as 2013, it was! until I got a new ip just a few months ago. I had the same from 2000 - 2019 =). same email too
[04:16:41] <HeXiLeD>	 a certificate sig/fp key pair will work anywhere to help prove ID. 
[04:17:07] <Kurnn>	 what, is that. 
[04:17:09] <HeXiLeD>	 okay young man... there is nothing else we can do for you. You need to annoy the wikimedia admins 
[04:17:12] <Kurnn>	 do I have one?
[04:17:16] <Kurnn>	 nononono
[04:17:18] <HeXiLeD>	 no. you do not.
[04:17:27] <Kurnn>	 if you say its not possible...I ll just create a newaccount
[04:17:52] <HeXiLeD>	 but you can start looking for openpgp key pair, create one and use it as per need.
[04:18:16] <Kurnn>	 but kurnn is ME in Everquest, Anarchy online, Wow, ESO, forums, EBM/Industrial world, etc
[04:18:28] <HeXiLeD>	 you have to talk to the admins of wikimedia. #mediawiki only develops software, that happens to be used on wikimedia
[04:19:02] <Kurnn>	 alright, thanks for the tip...but nah, this is very minor....
[04:19:32] <HeXiLeD>	 again ma'man. anyone can say to be anyone. from now on, create a pgp key pair and sign and use the fingerprint to identify you. You can even add your pic to it. 
[04:19:46] <Kurnn>	 I understand and I know this
[04:20:00] <HeXiLeD>	 never give the private key to anyone! only the public
[04:20:01] <Kurnn>	 pgp key pair, is a function I have not heard of
[04:20:24] <Kurnn>	 oh! add your pic as login? no...
[04:20:45] <HeXiLeD>	 ummm... your question strikes me in an odd way. What is your operating system of daily use
[04:21:16] <Kurnn>	 win 10 home. by choise. I dont use pro soly cause then its impossible to bitlock my drives
[04:21:29] <HeXiLeD>	 a key pair is a digital encrypted 'thing' that serves to encrypt, sign and ensure security 
[04:21:32] <HeXiLeD>	 makes sense.
[04:21:36] <Kurnn>	 before it was win 7,64. but I had linux suse as firewall since -98
[04:21:37] <HeXiLeD>	 windows user.
[04:21:45] <Kurnn>	 but with win 7. and win 10....dont nened it
[04:21:49] * HeXiLeD felt it miles away.
[04:21:50] <Kurnn>	 yes windows user
[04:21:54] <Kurnn>	 I used em all
[04:21:58] <Kurnn>	 cause I like games
[04:21:59] <Kurnn>	 however
[04:22:06] <HeXiLeD>	 hence why you are not getting anything that i am talking about
[04:22:22] <HeXiLeD>	 you are in the wrong place to ask about that problem. 
[04:22:24] <Kurnn>	 I also use Vertias File system since 1998, on win 98 (it at a port)
[04:22:44] <bawolff>	 Pgp is hardly neeccesarily, and unless you had posted the fingerprint on your user page probably wouldnt help you much
[04:22:47] <Kurnn>	 yes, I dont know the names of the code...but...I know the functionsd of the OS
[04:23:04] <HeXiLeD>	 point #2 learn how to prove ID without using real life ID. use pgp 
[04:23:29] <Kurnn>	 I've played virtual reality on Chalmers university 1999, on the Sun Fire 10000, the supercmoputer they boght for it
[04:23:48] <HeXiLeD>	 point 3: move on. it's getting unpleasant and off topic.
[04:24:27] <HeXiLeD>	 point 4: use a real decent irc client. something like irssi or weechat. 
[04:24:50] <Kurnn>	 Please dont take this in a bad way, but I prove my ID on sites, thats iportant where I can loose things or dont want to loose it. using anything other then secure stuff that works everywhere, is not prefeble
[04:24:56] <HeXiLeD>	 they work well with pgp/certs/fp/sigs
[04:25:12] <Kurnn>	 yes, IA m sorry about that. I havnt used MIRC for 15 years
[04:25:16] <Kurnn>	 I clicked the chat....
[04:25:37] <HeXiLeD>	 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9E791gRFnWg
[04:25:50] <Kurnn>	 Ill go away if you want...but Its rare I meet people who understand what I talk about when I say Vrtual servers was around way before VMware
[04:25:57] <HeXiLeD>	 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1-MPcUHhXoc
[04:26:43] <HeXiLeD>	 trust me young man. learn how to use security certificates to authenticate yourself and prove your ID in a secure way without using gov ID
[04:26:45] <Kurnn>	 and I play games....using linux/unix....gives you issues with every ported game (drivers/hhw). and Win 10, home, is the first windows whch I allow calling an Operating system
[04:27:02] * HeXiLeD cracks to laughs
[04:27:11] <HeXiLeD>	 10 is the worse ever. 
[04:27:28] <Kurnn>	 you mean how bank system works, stock exchanges and proected code that sattelates are made of?
[04:27:29] <HeXiLeD>	 have a good .. rest of the day
[04:27:56] <HeXiLeD>	 spend less time  gaming... and learn useful stuff
[04:27:57] <Kurnn>	 those things, I was a system designer for....what the techs needed in hardware in order to do whtese things
[04:28:12] <Kurnn>	 useful stuff, is what you enjoy doing. 
[04:28:58] <Kurnn>	 And, um, you are talking applications and platform...not OS
[04:29:03] <Kurnn>	 lol
[04:29:05] <Kurnn>	 awesome
[04:29:21] <Kurnn>	 well you are
[04:29:23] <Kurnn>	 oh!
[04:29:25] <Kurnn>	 oh!
[04:29:49] <Kurnn>	 Java, was made by Sun microssytems and based on C++....with the intention to work on most platforms
[04:29:58] <Kurnn>	 my statement is correct or false?
[04:30:09] <Kurnn>	 snice wwiki say, java was created by Oracle ;)
[04:30:53] <p858snake>	 this discussion is offtopic for #mediawiki and should be taken elsewhere
[04:30:55] <Kurnn>	 I havnt "wun" that argument with anyone yet (except old colligues who I worked with)
[04:31:03] <Kurnn>	 huh?
[04:31:12] <Kurnn>	 Low IQ, High Fluid Intelligence =)
[04:31:17] <Kurnn>	 (not joking)
[04:31:34] <Kurnn>	 please answer me about java thgouh
[04:31:45] <Kurnn>	 would mean sometihing to me heh
[04:32:12] <Kurnn>	 read my statement again
[04:32:16] <Kurnn>	 didnt talk about what it could do
[04:32:19] <Kurnn>	 Who made it
[04:32:21] <Kurnn>	 and why
[04:32:33] <Kurnn>	 was I right?
[04:32:38] <Kurnn>	 (I now I am)
[04:32:41] <Kurnn>	 know
[04:32:53] <Kurnn>	 argh!
[04:33:05] <Kurnn>	 Wiki says Oracle...and I never "win" that....
[04:33:20] <Kurnn>	 .......
[04:33:54] <Kurnn>	 the MMO that created DKP, Raiding skills, and the only MMORPG with the GUYS to make it hurt to die
[04:34:17] <Kurnn>	 you could try. I woke the sleeper as guild nr 4 world wide
[04:34:47] <Kurnn>	 I started a guild on EU server....2002. its still arond as  the biggest one and with the rules I made
[04:34:52] <Kurnn>	 um
[04:34:57] <Kurnn>	 I didnt wake the lseeper myself
[04:35:14] <p858snake>	 please take this offtopic discussion elsewhere, or you will be removed from the channel, this channel is designed for supporting people with the mediawiki software
[04:35:19] <Kurnn>	 no, I live in my apartment I own. since I work with selling IT solutions 
[04:35:28] <Kurnn>	 sorry!
[04:35:30] <Kurnn>	 Ill go
[04:38:06] <Kurnn>	 Hexiled, you need to whitelist me
[04:41:26] <Kurnn>	 Hexiled: you still need to whitelist me. click my name. right click. add whitelist. then I can reply. you have a script up
[08:31:22] <Remilia>	 saper: it would be so nice if Logger logged about itself :\
[08:36:38] <Remilia>	 I mean if the LegacySpi logger [which works fine] would log something about trying to initialise Monolog
[12:41:18] <Remilia>	 I absolutely cannot understand what is happening here: I have wgMWLoggerDefaultSpi set in LocalSettings.php, maintenance/eval.php shows the correct value, but inside LoggerFactory.php, wgMWLoggerDefaultSpi has the value from includes/DefaultSettings.php
[12:42:21] <Remilia>	 this only applies to one install, started happening after 1.33.0; other 1.33.0 installs are fine
[13:18:36] <Remilia>	 saper: I think I found the cause at last
[13:24:26] <Remilia>	 yep
[13:29:13] <Remilia>	 note to self: be careful with composer
[13:29:40] <Remilia>	 (the WikiSEO extension's autoload script emits log messages too early for LocalSettings to be loaded)
[13:56:42] <Remilia>	 I think I might file a bug report for mediawiki itself: it would probably be a good idea to reset the logging system after loading LocalSettings
[14:14:16] <Remilia>	 posted as T230270
[14:14:16] <stashbot>	 T230270: $wgMWLoggerDefaultSpi is effectively ignored if log events occur before LocalSettings are loaded - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T230270
[19:29:21] <Remilia>	 found another postgresql-related bug
[19:30:44] <Remilia>	 the transcode table schema has character varying(14) for transcode_time_ columns but the code inserts an ISO formatted timestamp
[20:13:42] <Platonides>	 Remilia: MediaWiki uses varchars on purpose on mysql
[20:14:00] <Platonides>	 not sure which way it is supposed to be on postgres for that table
[20:14:20] <Remilia>	 I changed it to timestamptz and am waiting for the person who likes to hit this error to wake up
[20:14:48] <Remilia>	 (it's TimedMediaHandler)
[20:15:21] <Remilia>	 Platonides: I am guessing for MySQL MW uses UNIX timestamp-like stuff?
[20:15:46] <Platonides>	 no
[20:15:58] <Remilia>	 oh
[20:16:04] <Platonides>	 ISO timestamp strings
[20:16:06] <Remilia>	 yyyymmddhhmmss
[20:17:53] <Remilia>	 Platonides: wait does it mean varchar(14) is 15 characters long?
[20:18:05] <Remilia>	 you cannot fit an ISO formatted datetime into 14
[20:18:49] <Platonides>	 see https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/source/mediawiki/browse/master/maintenance/tables.sql$21
[20:19:15] <Remilia>	 oh so not ISO
[20:19:23] <Remilia>	 thanks
[20:19:27] <Platonides>	 yyyymmddhhmmss are 14 characters
[20:19:39] <Remilia>	 yeah, and it is not ISO 8601 compatible
[20:19:40] <Platonides>	 there's not T there
[20:19:44] <Remilia>	 yup
[20:22:53] <Remilia>	 if this change works for me I will only have to research why my users cannot upload updated versions of existing files, yay for cutting down the post-1.33.0 upgrade issues list to just one item... until something pops up again
[20:23:23] <Platonides>	 Remilia: do they have permission for reupload?
[20:23:48] <Platonides>	 note there's a different right for upload over existing files than for uploaidng a new file
[20:24:03] <Platonides>	 also, there's another that allows giving the right to reupload just their own
[20:24:08] <Remilia>	 Platonides: hmm, the error they get is "duplicate file"
[20:24:41] <Platonides>	 then it seems like they are trying to upload an existing file, not an updated version
[20:38:40] <Remilia>	 Platonides: thank you for the pointer, I'll look into this
[20:38:50] <Remilia>	 the file definitely differs
[20:38:59] <Remilia>	 (same file name but different hash)
[20:39:04] <Platonides>	 you are welcome, Remilia 
[20:39:13] <Platonides>	 maybe check that hashes are being stored correctly?
[20:39:42] <Platonides>	 I don't see how calculation could be wrong :/
[20:40:44] <Remilia>	 good idea, will do once the guy with the files is online
[20:44:36] <Platonides>	 there's another check for deleted files
[20:44:46] <Platonides>	 I would recommend trying with a completely new file
[20:45:12] <Platonides>	 just to rule out that somehow that image was *really* uploaded
[20:47:43] <Remilia>	 well, these are OGG Vorbis files... wonder if maybe it tries to calculate the hash differently for these, but good idea too, will check tomorrow
[20:48:32] <Platonides>	 the hashes are just a sha1
[20:48:53] <Platonides>	 stored in base36 if I remember right
[20:49:11] <Platonides>	 but a plain hash of the file
[20:49:31] <Platonides>	 the temporary file is arrivign right at the server?
[20:49:39] <Platonides>	 being an ogg file
[20:49:55] <Platonides>	 maybe the file is too big, and it ends up hashing just an empty file or similar
[20:50:05] <Platonides>	 which then produces that error rather than the real one
[20:50:11] <Remilia>	 hmm
[20:50:18] <Remilia>	 the upload limit is definitely high enough
[20:50:20] <Platonides>	 try with a small file, too
[20:50:29] <Platonides>	 post_max_size
[20:50:38] <Platonides>	 and some other limit
[20:51:08] <Remilia>	 what I do see is this: wfDebug.DEBUG: UploadStash::stashFile tried to stash file at '/tmp/phpdfLs7I', but it doesn't exist
[20:51:26] <Platonides>	 that doesn't look good
[20:51:50] <Remilia>	 this goes after wfDebug.DEBUG: LocalFile::recordUpload2: File 2/29/Hood_SecIdle2Skin8JP.ogg already exists!
[20:52:20] <Platonides>	 are you using Special:Upload or Special:UploadWizard ?
[20:52:31] <Remilia>	 it is the SimpleBatchUpload extension
[20:52:48] <Platonides>	 a third one, then :P
[20:52:52] <Remilia>	 haha
[20:53:02] <Platonides>	 another test would be to try reproduce with Special:Upload
[20:53:29] <Remilia>	 the thing that really puzzles me is that those two lines are preceded by FileOperation.DEBUG: FileBackendStore::getFileStat: File mwstore://local-backend/local-public/archive/2/29/20190810173345!Hood_SecIdle2Skin8JP.ogg does not exist
[20:53:47] <Remilia>	 can it decide already if it exists or not
[21:30:10] <Remilia>	 Platonides: also, it seems like reupload is allowed by default
[21:31:46] <Remilia>	 the hashes in the database seem fine ("Hood_SecIdle2Skin8JP.ogg   | ebb9g1mw1px247levz1x5v092vil9l0" as an example)
[22:08:07] <niso>	 Hi, i want to add 1 or more "Cards pictures" to some of my pages. I want that each page that contains cards will be in a category (lets say "Contains Cards") and i want that each Card Image will be in a category "Cards
[22:08:53] <niso>	 ", Thee is any simpler way to do this than a template in each Card file which adds it to the Cards category and a template on each Page that contains Cards that adds to him the relevant cards files?
[22:09:17] <niso>	 Something like adding a category to PageB  from PageA
[22:54:59] <Platonides>	 I don't think so, niso 
[22:55:08] <Platonides>	 I would include the Cards in the pages using a template
[22:55:40] <Platonides>	 so that using {{Card|foo}} would include [[Image:Card_foo.png]] *and* [[Category:Contains cards]]
[22:56:26] <Platonides>	 but you would need to add the category to each file either directly or thorugh a template
[22:59:15] <niso>	 :(