[00:03:27] dont believe im seeing any errors in iis logs [00:20:05] disable fckeditor extension [00:21:47] comment the line on LocalSettings.php [00:21:57] let's get the basic things working first, ZeroWarz [00:22:02] sure [00:22:28] im extracting mediawiki-1.33.0.tar to the server [00:22:31] (it seems that version of ckextension extension is too old for your MW version) [00:23:23] is the extension part of php or somethin? otherwise it'd be the same version that was on the working version, as we just copied the folder over [00:23:55] no [00:24:20] okay now I get "mediawiki requires php version of at least 7.0.13" [00:24:25] think we have 5.x on there [00:24:32] I don't know how it worked before [00:24:34] 5.5.11 [00:24:43] i assume old mediawiki and old php [00:24:57] you must have updated mediawiki [00:25:00] 5.2.8 on the "old" server [00:25:06] well yeah, i just said iw as extracting the new vesrion :) [00:25:12] nice [00:25:27] iw as getting further before, but yeah definitely outdated [00:25:29] well, you will need to update php, too it seems [00:25:41] php 5 has been out of support for quite some time [00:25:47] I agree, however, im scared if I update php on the server, if that'll break other sites on the server? [00:26:08] the old 2003 server has 5.2.8 [00:26:33] the differences aren't that big [00:26:43] but certainly some sites could break [00:26:50] not knowing what you have installed there... [00:26:56] i understand [00:27:09] we have mediawiki 1.15.1 and php 5.2.8 on the 2003 sever [00:27:44] you could install an outdated mediawiki in the old server [00:28:02] but it makes more snese imho to actually update to a modern version [00:28:21] why would i install an outdated version on the old server if its not broken? [00:28:26] sorry just trying to follow your logic here [00:28:32] (i could always take snapshots, etc) [00:28:32] sorry [00:28:38] you could install an outdated mediawiki in the *new* server [00:28:54] thats not a bad idea [00:29:04] something newer than 1.15.1 i assume? [00:29:11] not ideal, though [00:29:25] Yeah im confused how MW works.. is it simply files extracted to a directory? [00:29:29] maybe you have another server with a newer php? [00:29:29] then hosted by IIS? [00:29:32] hi, why table out of size here https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Compatibility/ru#PHP, and how to fix it [00:29:40] ZeroWarz: mostly [00:30:06] files in a folder, plus another folder where uploads go, plus a database [00:30:13] cronolio: Out of size? [00:31:42] it's similar to most php projects [00:31:53] Reedy: bigger than should be [00:32:07] you can then get fancy urls, but that's display [00:32:57] Reedy: https://i.imgur.com/2LpPkQK.png [00:33:06] It's fine for me... [00:33:45] Platonides: Gotcha. Yeah I never do this kinda stuff w/ web pages ;) [00:35:32] last mediawiki version supporting php < 7 was 1.30 [00:35:40] which reached end of life on June 2019 [00:35:51] 5.x should work maybe? [00:36:17] another question... [00:36:23] maybe you have a different hsot where you could install (or already have) a newer php version? [00:36:27] *host [00:36:28] so the old server had a LocalSettings.php page with a certain user credentials in it [00:36:44] the new server, where coworker installed/restored mysql [00:36:47] or setup inside a virtual machine [00:36:51] only has root as a user [00:37:02] as long as LocalSettings.php is set up for root, that should be fine, right? [00:37:08] mediawiki shouldnt be looking for a specific user [00:37:22] mediawiki will use the user it has configured in LocalSettings.php [00:37:31] it will work with root, yes [00:37:44] Reedy: looks like it is my web browser font settings. just discovered they works per language [00:37:44] although using root account isn't a best practise precisely [00:37:45] okay, mw is simply looking for access to mysql [00:37:51] right [00:37:57] k, root *should* work then [00:38:11] you can create a new account for mw in mysql with [00:38:26] the old server had phpmyadmin on it.. but thats just a gui way to admin mysql, right? [00:38:28] shouldnt need that either [00:38:46] GRANT ALL ON mediawikidb.* TO 'mw_user'@'%' IDENTIFIED BY 'mysecretpassword'; [00:38:53] ok [00:39:06] you don't need phpmyadmin for mediawiki [00:39:10] okay [00:39:29] maybe the mysql that he installed is too new also for mw? [00:39:30] i dunno [00:39:32] grasping :) [00:39:33] % - means remote accses [00:39:57] that % means the user will be able to connect from any host [00:40:06] right right [00:40:12] that can be changed to the host it will be connecting from [00:40:16] was hitting that problem trying to browse the db :) [00:40:38] ZeroWarz: unlikely that the mysql is too new [00:40:48] ok [00:41:33] may I ask why you choose to go with Windows server machines? [00:42:13] i didnt [00:42:21] just trying to get rid of this old windows box [00:42:28] this wsa set up long before me [00:42:37] for the new server, I mean [00:42:59] oh I dunno, we're mainly a windows/iis shop [00:43:04] i do have a couple linux boxes [00:43:13] no reason really, but it should work fine on windows, no? [00:43:16] Is the short url builder still down? [00:43:21] it doesn't seem specially well prepared for this app [00:43:42] you are installing mysql just for it, php is outdated.. [00:43:57] true [00:44:05] otoh, perhaps your linux boxes are also outdated :/ [00:44:17] no they're pretty current, but running other sites too [00:44:27] sles12, etc [00:44:45] if you have a modern php there, you could try installing mediawiki on them [00:44:48] hmm coworker wants to try installing old(er) mediawiki, trying to find download link for 1.30 you mentioned [00:45:40] why expend effort moving to an already outdated and unsupported version? [00:46:10] I think it will have some vulnerability, too [00:46:19] probably [00:46:27] (internal only, so not a huge deal) but i dont disagree [00:46:41] i have another 2012 r2 box that doesnt have much on it [00:46:46] guess i could try setting it up over there [00:46:49] mysql/php/mw [00:46:52] latests [00:47:08] sure [00:47:16] although it may be even easier on one of those linux [00:47:50] do i need to use those "WIMP" things or just download mw/php/mysql manually? [00:48:09] your choice [00:48:27] whatever works ;) lol not sure how much configurating is needed [00:48:28] we recommend using the official mediawiki bundle [00:48:43] as for php / mysql, install as you wish [00:48:51] you could even use a different db than mysql [00:49:02] or have it hosted on a different machine [00:49:57] i could point to the 'old' server mysql ;) [00:50:06] just to rule out mysql [00:50:07] you could, indeed [00:50:17] and not bother reinstalling/configuring it until we get site going [00:50:25] in fact, once you need several machines [00:50:35] you usually have multiple hosts with php installed [00:50:47] pointing to a single database [00:51:32] hmm so root is set to localhost according to phpmy admin [00:51:39] change that to % and that should be good? [00:51:53] Is the short url builder still down? [00:53:55] I would recommend using the SQL query I provided before for creating a ,ysql user [01:04:37] tryin to get fresh mediawiki going [14:26:52] i must once again express annoyance that wgdbservers does not equally distribute load. whether regardless of whether the master can accept read queries or not [14:34:51] have you filed a bug? [14:43:17] good idea, that will generate more noise [14:45:29] it's got a chance of being seen/fixed by the people that maintain that code [14:45:37] rather than just a complaint in passing in irc ;) [14:46:57] We should just auto assign every X new bug to Reedy for fixing >.> [14:51:11] yes [21:09:30] Hi, THere is any stable way\extension to see which users are online without require to run the update script before installing it? [21:27:21] Not really [21:54:12] something like https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:$wgReadOnly