[05:03:44] <powerhouse_>	 Sweet! Just found this channel
[08:22:41] <bawolff>	 Pretty sure https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Templates#Order_of_evaluation is wrong
[08:25:22] <p858snake|L>	 documentation being wrong‽ never!
[08:26:23] <bawolff>	 I'm trying to figure out if i should remove it, or just delete it. Why does our user facing documentation talk about order of evaluation?!
[19:28:18] <andre__>	 How to force a page which includes a template to update, given that I have edited the template and the page still shows the previous version? action=purge on both the page and the template does not seem to help.
[19:28:27] <andre__>	 Do I just have to wait for some random cache to expire?
[19:28:37] <Reedy>	 null edit the usages?
[19:28:46] <Reedy>	 You're potentially waiting for the job queue
[19:29:02] <andre__>	 Ah. That's what I was missing I guess. So patience. Thanks.
[20:23:28] <fehler_x>	 hey
[20:23:45] <fehler_x>	 im stumbling over a newbie problem, but cant find an answer.
[20:24:05] <fehler_x>	 i want to pass {{PAGENAME}} to a template, and have it evaluated before it gets passed
[20:24:11] <fehler_x>	 how do i do this?
[20:24:22] <fehler_x>	 the template keeps giving me its own PAGENAME back 
[20:25:38] <Reedy>	 includeonly
[20:25:48] <Reedy>	 <includeonly>{{PAGENAME}}</includeonly>
[20:28:26] <fehler_x>	 hmm i tried it to pass <includeonly>{{PAGENAME}}</includeonly>  from page ABC to Template:DEF, but still get Template:DEF back
[20:28:44] <Reedy>	 Oh, hang on
[20:29:01] <Reedy>	 You're wanting to pass the pagename into the template call?
[20:29:06] <fehler_x>	 yes
[20:30:07] <Reedy>	 I think most people would usually do {{subst:PAGENAME}} at the point of template insertion
[20:31:02] <fehler_x>	 ive tried that too
[20:32:22] <fehler_x>	 wow after hitting edit again it actually changes the code to the pages name
[20:32:30] <fehler_x>	 hmm not quite what i expected
[20:32:43] <Reedy>	 well, subst means substitute
[20:32:52] <Platonides>	 fehler_x: {{PAGENAME}} will show the page where the template is included
[20:32:57] <Platonides>	 when actually used on a page
[20:33:11] <Platonides>	 if you watch the template page, it will show the template name
[20:33:57] <Platonides>	 but that's because that's the page you are viewing
[20:36:01] <Forza>	 Hello 
[20:36:12] <Platonides>	 hello Forza 
[20:36:41] <Forza>	 I'm trying to setup mediawiki on my gentoo Linux :) 
[20:36:44] <fehler_x>	 hmm thanks but im still getting weird behavior
[20:36:55] <fehler_x>	 allow me to paste my example
[20:37:00] <Platonides>	 fehler_x: can you show us your efforts?
[20:37:11] <fehler_x>	 the page ISINtest
[20:37:21] <fehler_x>	 {{Financial Asset|ISIN={{PAGENAME}}}}
[20:37:36] <fehler_x>	 the page Template:Financial Asse
[20:37:38] <fehler_x>	 t
[20:37:52] <fehler_x>	 <includeonly>This is a financial asset with the International Securities Identification Number (ISIN): {{ISIN}}</includeonly>
[20:38:10] <fehler_x>	 what i get out
[20:38:12] <fehler_x>	 is 
[20:38:12] <fehler_x>	 This is a financial asset with the International Securities Identification Number (ISIN): Template:ISIN
[20:38:27] <fehler_x>	 so it some how uses the template namespace
[20:38:35] <Reedy>	 You're calling the parameter wrong
[20:38:40] <Reedy>	 {{{ISIN}}}
[20:38:43] <Forza>	 Got so far as to run mw-config in my browser. The problem is that the installer only lists sqlite and not mariadb/mysql. I've got nextcloud installed in another subdomain with mariadb so I'm sure it is installed 
[20:39:22] <Forza>	 Do I need to prepare something to make the installer detect mysql 
[20:39:28] <fehler_x>	 doh thanks for calling that out so fast
[20:39:40] <Reedy>	 Forza: You need the mysqli extension
[20:39:49] <fehler_x>	 so my plan is to return stuff from a cargo table using the pagename
[20:39:57] <Reedy>	 There's numerous different mysql extensions for PHP
[20:40:00] <fehler_x>	 anything obvously wrong with that approach?
[20:40:11] <Reedy>	 It's possible nextcloud uses a different one, or its own code etc
[20:41:49] <Platonides>	 Forza: what extensions are listed by phpinfo() ?
[20:41:51] <Forza>	 Reedy: thanks i.. I thought I had it. Apoarently not :( : --without-mysqli' '--with-mysql-sock=/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock' '--without-unixODBC' '--without-iodbc' '--without-pdo-odbc' '--without-oci8' '--without-pdo-dblib' '--with-pdo-mysql=mysqlnd' '--without-pdo-pgsql' '--with-pdo-sqlite'
[20:42:27] <Forza>	 Is it dangerous to post php info here? 
[20:42:44] <Platonides>	 why would it?
[20:42:55] <Forza>	 https://wiki.tnonline.net/phpinfo.php
[20:43:11] <Forza>	 Don't know :) 
[20:43:11] <Platonides>	 there are lots of people in this channel, as you can see
[20:43:38] <Platonides>	 but there shouldn't be anything dangerous there
[20:44:59] <Platonides>	 not sure how you would enable mysqli with gentoo
[20:45:14] <Platonides>	 there might be a package for that
[20:45:28] <Platonides>	 or you could need to recompile with different USE flags
[20:45:46] <Reedy>	 Sounds like the latter
[20:46:25] <Forza>	 I found it. There are two different install flags. mysql and mysqli. I hadn't set the second one. Doing that now and reinstall php 
[20:46:47] <Forza>	 Yes use flag was missing 
[20:50:44] <Forza>	 Thanks! 
[20:56:04] <Platonides>	 you're welcome, Forza 
[20:56:45] <Forza>	 :)