[01:20:10] <ningu>	 what's the process for getting a one-line patch approved for mediawiki core?
[01:20:48] <ningu>	 I submitted to gerrit already but just want to be sure I do things as they are usually done
[01:24:55] <Skizzerz>	 ningu: lots of waiting, unfortunately. We don't have the best track record of reviewing things in any sort of timely fashion
[01:24:59] <Skizzerz>	 what's the link?
[01:25:11] <Skizzerz>	 I can't merge it but I could at least sanity check it
[01:25:52] <ningu>	 Skizzerz: https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/c/mediawiki/core/+/618617
[01:26:07] <ningu>	 it's to add support for a language
[01:28:30] <Skizzerz>	 ningu: I'd suggest talking to Nemo_bis about that. It appears they created an issue related to that https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T245359
[01:29:16] <Skizzerz>	 although the scope of that task is a bit larger than your patch
[01:31:29] <ningu>	 oh right
[01:31:43] <ningu>	 Nemo_bis created that after a discussion with me back in February I think
[01:32:10] <ningu>	 I forgot about that
[01:32:22] <ningu>	 I'll add a comment there and update the gerrit patchset to reference the task
[01:32:30] <ningu>	 I have info from people in Bali now which alternative they'd prefer
[01:32:40] <Skizzerz>	 awesome :)
[01:33:57] <ningu>	 in this case it's a more limited need though -- it's not even about locales per se
[01:34:08] <ningu>	 it's literally just to allow the page language to be set to ban-bali
[01:34:21] <ningu>	 so that ULS can apply the right fonts
[01:34:23] <Skizzerz>	 yep. In Gerrit there should be a button to Add Reviewers
[01:34:32] <Skizzerz>	 you may want to add Nemo there to give them a heads-up about the patch
[01:34:59] <Skizzerz>	 if there are other reviewers you can think of, you can add them there as well -- this doesn't guarantee they'll review it, but they'll get a notification about the request which is better than the patch being overlooked
[01:35:29] <Skizzerz>	 one thing I notice is that it appears as 3 boxes for me rather than any script, so I'm wondering if there are potential issues with that or if it's just a case of missing a font on my system
[03:29:23] <ningu>	 Skizzerz: yeah, you're just missing the font
[09:34:15] <fahad46>	 i created m account in media but i am unable to access thelinks
[09:41:20] <Vulpix>	 fahad46: We don't know what "media" means nor what links are you talking about. Please elaborate
[09:54:58] <fahad46>	 i am able to login @ https://wikimania.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimania
[09:56:52] <fahad46>	 bu when i try to access pages like https://lte-wiki.rnd.ki.sw.ericsson.se/wiki/FeatureTroubleShooting_SP1189
[09:57:39] <fahad46>	 i cant and it kepps taking me back to login page
[10:01:26] <Vulpix>	 fahad46: ericsson.se is an internal domain from your company. You should ask someone from your company to get access to that wiki. You can't create an account on any other wiki and expect it to work there
[10:06:46] <fahad46>	 understood but it takes me bacto to the same page where i have createdthe user
[10:06:52] <fahad46>	 https://lte-wiki.rnd.ki.sw.ericsson.se/mediawiki/
[10:07:53] <Nemo_bis>	 fahad46: it would be lovely to have someone from Ericsson at https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/MediaWiki_testimonials btw :)
[10:30:55] <Vulpix>	 It's amazing how many Ericsson employees end up here or in Project:Support_desk asking for support to get access to their internal wikis
[10:44:48] <legoktm>	 some misconfiguration then maybe?
[10:45:03] <legoktm>	 that accidentally drops people on mw.o
[10:51:18] <Vulpix>	 being brought to mw.o is understandable, since help links point to it anyway. But how did that user end into https://wikimania.wikimedia.org ? \o/
[12:20:53] <Forza>	 Hi, morning. Is there any difference in using <pre></pre> to prepending text with a blank space " "?
[12:21:42] <andre__>	 Forza: Comapre the resulting HTML? :P
[12:21:58] <andre__>	 *compare
[12:22:00] <Forza>	 andre__:  :) visually it looked the same
[12:24:36] <Forza>	 I see. no formatting on the <pre> blocks. Is there a way to achieve the same with <something...> as indentation with space?
[12:27:27] <Forza>	 Reedy: The $wgDLPMaxCacheTime variable helped fix the waiting time for my DPL :) Thanks for the help yesterday
[12:43:12] <Vulpix>	 Forza: use <poem>
[12:43:54] <Forza>	 Vulpix: thanks
[12:47:02] <Forza>	 Vulpix: didn't work. Is that an extension?
[12:47:26] <Vulpix>	 I though that was integrated into core
[12:47:28] <Vulpix>	 !e Poem
[12:47:29] <wm-bot>	 https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Poem
[12:47:49] <Vulpix>	 hmm, nope, it's an extension
[12:48:26] <Vulpix>	 There's a task to integrate it into core, but there has been no progress so far
[12:49:53] <Vulpix>	 T54061
[12:49:53] <stashbot>	 T54061: Merge Poem extension into MediaWiki core - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T54061
[12:51:12] <Forza>	 Ah ok. Thanks =)
[12:51:16] <Forza>	 Ill look!. 
[13:23:27] <ashley>	 Vulpix: fun fact: it was once integrated into core but ended up being reverted due to various reasons, including but not limited to people not agreeing on the canonical name for the tag
[13:31:32] <Vulpix>	 Bikeshedding. It's a classic
[15:42:18] <Forza>	 ashley: well poem is a little too specific. Maybe perhaps simply <block>?
[17:54:55] <burning_>	 howdy
[18:30:10] <burning_>	 so I just finished doing the mediawiki config script series of pages in my browser and the bare bones of my wiki are set up
[18:30:40] <burning_>	 I can log in as the root account but how can I get started on editing the main page?
[18:30:54] <Reedy>	 What do you mean?
[18:31:02] <Reedy>	 If you're logged in as an admin account, you should be able to edit it
[18:32:06] <burning_>	 I mean, do I just edit the main page as is? or can i create a new page entirely and have that be the new main page? preserving the current main page under a different name that only I'd have access to?
[18:32:24] <Reedy>	 You can move it, if you want
[18:32:26] <burning_>	 just cause the current main page seems to be a useful aggregate of links 
[18:32:33] <burning_>	 that I may want to consult later
[18:32:40] <Reedy>	 It's always there in the history
[18:32:46] <burning_>	 good point
[18:32:47] <Reedy>	 You can change the Main page by editing MediaWiki:mainpage
[18:32:55] <Reedy>	 And point it at a different page
[18:33:11] <burning_>	 ah, and would that be in the LocalSettings.php file?
[18:33:29] <Reedy>	 No
[18:33:43] <Reedy>	 https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Mainpage for example
[18:34:06] <burning_>	 oh right, I see
[18:34:38] <bd808>	 Its a fun (and often confusing) feature of MediaWiki's l10n engine that pages in the MediaWiki: namespace override default system messages
[18:35:45] <burning_>	 Another thing; When i setup the wiki, I set authorised accounts to yes. I know *I* was able to login but is any more setup required if I'm to allow users to make an account and edit pages?
[18:36:00] <burning_>	 or does that work mostly out of the box?
[18:36:28] <Reedy>	 Look at the wiki in incognito/private browsing?
[18:36:57] <burning_>	 oh, why?
[18:37:06] <Reedy>	 See if there's a register link?
[18:37:11] <burning_>	 oh, right
[18:38:16] <burning_>	 no register button. Only Login
[18:38:37] <burning_>	 I should've thought of that :P
[18:39:05] <Reedy>	 There's various ways to deal with this, but that depends on the workflow you actually want
[18:43:47] <burning_>	 mhm?
[18:46:21] <burning_>	 what kinds of workflows do there tend to be?
[18:49:55] <Reedy>	 Anyone can register
[18:50:22] <Reedy>	 Admins can only create accounts (possibly using the confirmaccount extension)
[18:50:40] <Reedy>	 Anyone can register but can only edit after being added to a group manually
[18:53:14] <burning_>	 I think I also selected the confirmaccount extension? Though I'm not sure. I might have confused it with authorised editing
[18:53:27] <burning_>	 how could I check? In the LocalSetting.php file?
[18:53:40] <Reedy>	 Or Special:Version
[18:53:46] <Reedy>	 ConfirmAccount isn't bundled, so it seems unlikely
[18:53:58] <burning_>	 ah ok
[18:54:45] <burning_>	 I think I'd like to make it so all accounts have to be vetted before they're allowed to edit/post
[18:55:32] <burning_>	 so admins get an email every time someone wants to register an account etc or something like that
[18:56:04] <burning_>	 actually
[18:56:31] <burning_>	 I'm not sure if that'd be as good as just allowing anyone to make an account and then put their edits in pending as they wait to be vetted
[18:56:45] <burning_>	 what do you think?
[18:57:55] <burning_>	 ok, I think I'd like to  allow all accounts to be registered and then just manually vet all edits they make
[19:07:59] <Platonides>	 you can make that
[19:08:03] <Platonides>	 allow anyone to register
[19:08:16] <Platonides>	 but use stableversions so that their edits don't appear automatically
[19:40:39] <burning_>	 How do you mean exactly? 
[19:41:00] <burning_>	 Or rather, how do people usually tend to go about with authorized editing and the like?
[21:39:04] <burning_>	 $wgGroupPermissions['*']['createaccount'] = false;
[21:39:04] <burning_>	 $wgGroupPermissions['*']['edit'] = false;
[21:39:16] <burning_>	 woops, didn't mean to post those yet
[21:39:29] <burning_>	 anyway, those are the settings I have in my LocalSettings.php file
[21:39:55] <burning_>	 I'm guessing these are what's making it so no one can create an account on my wiki?
[21:42:40] <rxy>	 see  Special:ListGroupRights  at your wiki
[21:43:19] <rxy>	 then search "createaccount" in the page by push keyboard F3 or Ctrl+F
[21:45:28] <rxy>	 In OS X, Use Cmd key instead of Ctrl (perhaps , not sure)
[21:46:20] <Shaun>	 (yup)
[21:48:40] <burning_>	 thanks, I'll give that a try
[21:49:01] <rxy>	 just fun a configuration :D
[21:49:14] <rxy>	 s/fun/enjoy/
[21:58:21] <burning_>	 When I was configuring my wiki, I think I selected the option for authorized accounts or edits or whatever it was, at the top of the page in that section that mentioned options like making the wiki public or private?
[21:59:06] <burning_>	 I thought that would just notify my account whenever someone wanted to register an account and I'd be able to look at the details and decide to grant them access or not
[21:59:23] <burning_>	 but it looks like the way it is currently, there's no way for anyone to register an account
[21:59:30] <burning_>	 there's no "create account" button
[21:59:36] <burning_>	 just login
[21:59:58] <rxy>	 yeah, default mediawiki core not provide confirmation flow 
[22:00:13] <rxy>	 if you want that, use extension such as ConfirmAccount
[22:00:20] <rxy>	 !extension ConfirmAccount
[22:00:20] <wm-bot>	 MediaWiki has been built so it can easily be customized by adding extensions. This is usually a simple process. See http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Extensions for instructions to install extensions, as well as for writing them. See http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension_Matrix for an overview of known extensions.
[22:00:48] <rxy>	 !ConfirmAccount
[22:00:48] <wm-bot>	 To require approval before accounts can edit, see <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:ConfirmAccount>. Alternatively, remove edit rights from all users, and create a new user group like with edit rights; a bureaucrat can then add users to the group. See <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Assigning_permissions>
[22:01:21] <burning_>	 Oh is that different to the confirm edit extension?
[22:01:26] <burning_>	 !ConfirmEdit
[22:01:26] <wm-bot>	 For more information about CAPTCHAs and MediaWiki, see <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:ConfirmEdit>.
[22:01:37] <rxy>	 yup, different extension
[22:02:20] <rxy>	 you pointed extension is provide CAPTCHA function
[22:02:28] <rxy>	 no approval flow provide
[22:08:20] <burning_>	 Thanks
[22:12:23] <burning_>	 How can I check what version of mediawiki I'm running?
[22:13:05] <Shaun>	 it's in Special:Version
[22:13:47] <Shaun>	 (eg https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Version )
[22:14:02] <burning_>	 error 404
[22:14:15] <burning_>	 capitalisd both words
[22:14:29] <burning_>	 did <hostname.onion>/Special:Version
[22:14:52] <burning_>	 it 404's on Special: ListGroupRights as well
[22:14:57] <Shaun>	 your articles are in the root?  (not impossible, but not typical either)
[22:15:05] <burning_>	 oh sorry
[22:15:30] <burning_>	 I meant <hostname>.onion/mediawiki/Special:Version
[22:17:00] <burning_>	 looking in my mediawiki directory, it looks like I don't have a Special/ directory at all
[22:17:39] <Shaun>	 it's not a directory, it's handled like an article title.  try /mediawiki/index.php?title=Special:Version
[22:18:01] <Shaun>	 or go to any article that does work, and replace its name in the url with Special:Version
[22:18:30] <burning_>	 ah, that worked
[22:18:36] <burning_>	 sorry about that
[22:18:44] <Shaun>	 no problem.  I made assumptions
[22:19:07] <Shaun>	 but it is useful to learn where the Special: pages live.  they're your toolbox.
[22:20:03] <burning_>	 mhmm
[22:20:46] <Shaun>	 almost everything I do with our wiki starts at Special:SpecialPages  - if you can't find it you're hamstrung
[22:21:08] <burning_>	 I see, thanks for the advice :)