[00:01:37] <ashley>	 seems that the p1999wiki.js file contains a somewhat older version of a part of the JS found on http://wiki.project1999.com/MediaWiki:Common.js ...anyway, I for one would be more than happy to give 'em some pointers on how to write more future-proof (and readable ;) code
[00:18:30] <rari>	 thank ashley! i may take you up on that once i get a live site up to work on. the site admin should be deploying our new wiki soon (i'm not affiliated with p99).
[00:19:20] <rari>	 i'll give your version a spin on my local wiki for now :)
[00:34:15] <rari>	 oh gosh, i hadn't opened the js included with it. yiiikes.
[00:48:01] <legoktm>	 ashley: that "special page" seems like it really should be an API module
[00:49:10] <ashley>	 probably, yes!
[00:55:08] <rari>	 lol yeah i showed my site admin the js and he was like "naaaah"
[04:41:10] <Fredster33>	 Hello there, I want to make a wiki similar to the structure of Wikimedia Commons for my other wikis. Is there an extension, script or other thing to make this possible? Sorry, I'm a MediaWiki noob :)  Thanks a lot!
[15:44:44] <foreclosurepedia>	 New install of MW. Fairly new to MW. Error I cannot find much info on, "Lua error in package.lua at line 80: module 'Module:Navbar' not found" Module imported from Wikipedia. Any help appreciated.
[15:45:59] <Majavah>	 foreclosurepedia: did you also import Module:Navbar from Wikipedia?
[15:47:28] <foreclosurepedia>	 Yes. Have imported it and it shows up. Every time I see a red error I go and import the Module or Template. The errors still read the same, though. Have cPanel etc if you need stats or whatever
[15:47:36] <foreclosurepedia>	 *info
[15:48:53] <Majavah>	 foreclosurepedia: try purging the page cache https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Purge
[15:49:06] <foreclosurepedia>	 Very good. BRB and thank you.
[15:50:37] <foreclosurepedia>	 VERY very cool! Thank you so much! Now I have more red links to import but thank you so much as that helps tremendously!!!
[15:53:06] <Reedy>	 Does Special:Export "include templates" not prevent this?
[15:54:56] <foreclosurepedia>	 @Reedy is that a question for me? I included all three boxes checked.
[15:55:21] <Reedy>	 https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Topic:S6l9uquqvr6b9h9s
[15:58:27] <foreclosurepedia>	 @Reedy Thanks. I am on shared hosting right now (and a novice coder :)   )! Thanx as I really appreciate all the help I can get. The software is amazing!
[19:09:24] <conathan_>	 Hello, I was attempting to adjust a script we use for updating a internal wiki to work with the LDAPAuthentication2 provider, and looking for assistance.  using api.php, 'pluggableauthlogin' => '1', and clientlogin.  The point I got to, was it is looking like it is redirecting me to: Special:PluggableAuthLogin, but not sure what to do with tiat.
[19:11:49] <conathan_>	 (also working through stepping through the code, and currently reviewing continueAuthentication)
[19:16:25] <foreclosurepedia>	 MW 1.34.2 Installed Wikibase shared hosting and added to localsettings. 500 Error if  settings remain and this error if removed: Get error Lua error in Module:Wd at line 196: attempt to index field 'wikibase' (a nil value). 
[19:17:01] <foreclosurepedia>	 * I installed Wikibase and have shared hosting
[19:18:11] <foreclosurepedia>	 Is there a laymans tutorial on how to install this properly? I have no idea what Composer is. Hosting says it is installed, though. Thanks!
[19:19:23] <Reedy>	 Wikibase isn't simple
[19:20:58] <foreclosurepedia>	 It seems necessary to bring the proper infoboxes over (API stuff I presume). I'm comfortable in cPanel and playing with the files I just need a primer to go read to walk me through if it is out there?
[19:21:46] <harmaahylje>	 I believe composer is a package manager for PHP
[19:21:48] <conathan_>	 I'll retract my question for now,  (after hammering my head against this for a week, 'just' now got [PluggableAuth] User is authorized.
[19:22:22] <harmaahylje>	 conathan_: so it does work (hammering your head against something to make it work), good news for me :)
[19:23:21] <foreclosurepedia>	 They said it is installed. What I don't know how to do is implement it. I have the lines added into LocalSettings and Extension loaded in, but I assume I am missing some step to 'compile' or whatever 
[19:23:52] <harmaahylje>	 foreclosurepedia: perhaps the step to use composer to install the dependencies?
[19:24:30] <foreclosurepedia>	 That's the deal, I don't know how to access Composer. https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Composer#Using_composer-merge-plugin  I have no terminal access for want of better words
[19:25:00] <conathan_>	 harmaahylje: well, not 100% working yet,  but debugging says I succeeded, so I must be doing something right.  Everything I was reading online was suggesting PluggableAuth does not work via api.php.  (also failing on bot passwords)
[19:25:37] <harmaahylje>	 foreclosurepedia: that could be a bit problematic then
[19:27:04] <foreclosurepedia>	 So, for virtually anything I want to 'pull' like info over on Wikipedia (ISIN company info etc) am I correct in saying this is like an API and wikibase fulfills that role? And thanks for the replies!
[19:27:27] <harmaahylje>	 foreclosurepedia: if you can upload files there, that could work, move the build files over
[19:27:45] <foreclosurepedia>	 This is a page I get the error and I only have about 5 pages as I wanted to build everything out first. https://digitalmatrixgroup.com/index.php/Caliber_Home_Loans
[19:28:04] <Reedy>	 I don't think you can do remote Wikibase access without database access
[19:29:10] <foreclosurepedia>	 So then the fields where I have errors, those I simply would delete @Reedy? Or if I master the wikibase would it populate on an ongoing term such as company closes or value, etc. which are all fluid values
[19:29:25] <Reedy>	 No
[19:29:47] <Reedy>	 Wikibase won't automatically update itself
[19:30:40] <foreclosurepedia>	 @Reedy --- Ah, that is very helpful! Thank you BTW. So, I could cull out those fields or manually enter the info myself perhaps in the Tempate:Infobox setting?
[19:31:01] <Reedy>	 Potentially
[19:31:16] <Reedy>	 Depending on what infoboxes you've exported, it might need a lot of changes
[19:31:28] <Reedy>	 The versions from like english wikipedia aren't necessarily good for third parties
[19:33:25] <foreclosurepedia>	 The infobox is for a company. Would post it but tend to believe that the box is probably somehow interdependent upon other templates, etc. Learning as I go ;)
[19:33:58] <Reedy>	 If it's from one of the wikimedia wikis, it's almost certainly dependant on many others
[20:15:32] <Cocopuff2018>	 can someone help me with mediawiki
[20:16:38] <Cocopuff2018>	 Hello
[20:16:40] <Reedy>	 !help
[20:16:40] <wm-bot>	 There are a lot of topics you could be asking about. Besides, this bot is mostly for experienced users to quickly answer common questions. Please just ask your question and wait patiently, as the best person to answer your question may be away for a few minutes or longer. If you're looking for help pages, we moved that to !helpfor.
[20:16:47] <Reedy>	 not that one
[20:16:48] <Reedy>	 !ask
[20:16:48] <wm-bot>	 Please feel free to ask your question: if anybody who knows the answer is around, they will surely reply. Don't ask for help or for attention before actually asking your question, that's just a waste of time – both yours and everybody else's. :)
[20:16:58] <Cocopuff2018>	 how i get my server host number
[20:17:32] <ningu>	 you mean ip address?
[20:17:48] <Cocopuff2018>	 yeh i need it  to host a wiki
[20:17:51] <Cocopuff2018>	 right?
[20:18:18] <ningu>	 not as part of mediawiki config, no
[20:18:28] <Cocopuff2018>	 well i am looking for a certain thuing
[20:18:42] <ningu>	 ?
[20:19:21] <ningu>	 you can visit websites like this in a browser to get your public ip address https://whatismyipaddress.com/
[20:19:31] <Cocopuff2018>	 https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/gOmIufYj/this%20thing.PNG
[20:19:40] <ningu>	 if it's a server, then the hosting provider will have it when you log in etc
[20:19:58] <Cocopuff2018>	 ok how do i acess this thing
[20:20:05] <ningu>	 just click "set up the wiki"
[20:20:16] <ningu>	 oh, I see
[20:20:27] <Cocopuff2018>	 its a youtube video
[20:20:47] <ningu>	 you need to install mediawiki -- download the zip and put it somewhere that can be served from php
[20:21:00] <Cocopuff2018>	 like put it all into another file
[20:21:19] <bd808>	 https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Installation_guide
[20:21:22] <ningu>	 the server also needs mysql
[20:22:02] <ningu>	 Cocopuff2018: where is your server hosted?
[20:22:06] <bd808>	 or mariadb, or sqlite, or MSSQL, or postgres :)
[20:22:14] <Reedy>	 not mssql
[20:22:20] <ningu>	 bd808: yeah true... I thought most of those were not well supported though
[20:22:23] <ningu>	 except mariadb
[20:22:27] <bd808>	 Reedy: did we drop that one finally?
[20:22:32] <Cocopuff2018>	 but you guys know how to create a wiki right ?
[20:22:47] <ningu>	 Cocopuff2018: we don't have access to your server or know anything about it
[20:22:48] <Reedy>	 ningu: sqlite will mostly work, doesn't scale (some VE issues). mysql/mariadb should mostly work
[20:22:57] <Reedy>	 bd808: And oracle!
[20:23:08] <bd808>	 the joy!
[20:23:12] <ningu>	 Reedy: I looked at postgres a couple years ago and someone told me it might not be a good idea, maybe cause various extensions etc have hard-coded queries
[20:23:55] <ningu>	 Cocopuff2018: so anyway if you want us to help, you need to give us more information
[20:24:02] <Cocopuff2018>	 ok hold up
[20:24:51] <Cocopuff2018>	 ok so lets go from step  1 i installed mediawiki and made it into its own file
[20:26:03] <ningu>	 Cocopuff2018: where is your server hosted?
[20:26:14] <ningu>	 does it support php and mysql/mariadb?
[20:26:19] <Cocopuff2018>	 well lets find a good host 
[20:27:20] <ningu>	 I have no idea about that
[20:27:49] <ningu>	 there are a zillion options and I always go with a full linux server but it sounds like you aren't familiar with that. I don't know offhand what's good for easy setup
[20:28:08] <ningu>	 but, anything that supports php+mysql should be fine, I would think
[20:28:14] <ningu>	 I mean in general
[20:31:12] <Cocopuff2018>	 ok i think ill doweload it
[20:31:25] <foreclosurepedia>	 Don't mean to chime in, but most decent hosting plans will have Softaculous or Instalatron built into their cPanel. Select the most recent version of MW. Fill out the info and click to install. That way it will auto upgrade. Tl;Dr if localhosting
[20:31:40] <Cocopuff2018>	 cpanel cost
[20:32:20] <foreclosurepedia>	 cPanel is free with a decent host. I use TMDHosting (sorry if I shouldn't post name) but there are a ton out there. 
[20:32:31] <ningu>	 foreclosurepedia: cool, yeah it's been years since i've dealt with cpanel and things like that so I am reluctant to give advice on how it works now or who's a good provider
[20:32:36] <foreclosurepedia>	 cPanel is a laymans GUI to the world
[20:33:08] <ningu>	 I dunno rules about giving names either but on other channels I've seen people give recommendations like that, as long as they aren't employed there
[20:33:49] <Cocopuff2018>	 i think ill do cpanel
[20:33:51] <ningu>	 can you get a host with php, mysql, cpanel etc for $5-15/month?
[20:33:51] <foreclosurepedia>	 I run cloud for about $90USD for multiple sites --- WP, Moodle, etc. per year. Free SSL and you want that. @ningu thanx just didnt know the etiquette 
[20:34:35] <ningu>	 you can get a vps for $5-10 so I would think you can get shared hosting for that
[20:34:41] <foreclosurepedia>	 Yeah tons. They have all that. Shared hosting is what it is really. You could do a droplet say at digitalocean or Amazon or Google, but a n00b which I still am shared hosting is easiest
[20:34:46] <foreclosurepedia>	 No VPS for that
[20:35:08] <foreclosurepedia>	 One click install is the easiest and most providers have that
[20:35:17] <ningu>	 yeah, I know there are tons but I have no info on current prices or who is reliable etc :)
[20:35:38] <ningu>	 but I know mediawiki and wordpress have both made their installs work well in those environments
[20:36:10] <foreclosurepedia>	 Ah, just search say TMD Hosting, or FatCow or GoDaddy (cringe because no free SSL).
[20:39:23] <foreclosurepedia>	 I know TMD has Maria DB. I needed Barracuda but I had to get a VPS for that for future Moodle. Neither here nor there. U can control your PHP etc through the cPanel and 1 click install whatever you want including Joomla etc on most
[20:40:13] <Cocopuff2018>	 i surely hope this is easy for me to host
[20:41:46] <ningu>	 it is pretty easy with a shared hosting provider, yes
[20:43:46] <Cocopuff2018>	 oh god i surely hope one of you can help me with hosting and guide me
[20:43:51] <foreclosurepedia>	 Bone up on the reading. Just today alone the folks in here helped me tremendously. I have played around with it since 2010 off and on. Finally had enough time to do a deep dive due to COVID.
[20:44:43] <foreclosurepedia>	 YouTube is a great resource. The documentation is incredible until you hit the highly complex areas. Like anything the amount of time you invest is the reward you get. ;)
[20:45:07] <ningu>	 foreclosurepedia: you said TMD has one-click install for mediawiki? that should make it much easier rather than having to upload the files etc
[20:45:23] <foreclosurepedia>	 Cocopuff2018: What do you want your wiki to do? I am building mine for foreclosures
[20:46:23] <foreclosurepedia>	 ningu: Yes they do. No uploads other than say Extensions and then if you try to trick it out like Wikipedia. Those are in areas like https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Export
[20:47:03] <ningu>	 yeah, there are a lot of templates and such
[20:47:11] <Cocopuff2018>	 i  want a mediawiki
[20:47:12] <Cocopuff2018>	 wiki
[20:47:31] <Cocopuff2018>	 http://209.141.43.96/moviepedia/index.php/Special:RecentChanges?hidebots=1&limit=50&days=7&enhanced=1&urlversion=2
[20:47:33] <Cocopuff2018>	 one like this one
[20:48:16] <foreclosurepedia>	 ah, you want a movie database right?
[20:48:21] <foreclosurepedia>	 http://209.141.43.96/moviepedia/index.php/Main_Page
[20:48:24] <Cocopuff2018>	 no i want a mediawiki like it
[20:48:41] <Cocopuff2018>	 like how this one is but i want to host my own mediawiki host
[20:49:45] <Cocopuff2018>	 im hoping one of you can walk me through as i go to build one
[20:49:46] <foreclosurepedia>	 yeah, that is one click install with most providers. you buy a domain name (or droplet or whatever if you want to build all the dependencies like php, msql, etc) and you can build in literally like that in say 3 mintues
[20:52:12] <foreclosurepedia>	 i'm in and out ... the folks in here have always been great to people ... and nothing replaces reading or watching ... https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=mediawiki
[20:52:14] <Cocopuff2018>	 any without me having to pay
[20:52:52] <Reedy>	 https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Hosting_services
[20:53:21] <Cocopuff2018>	 i want to make my own hosting without paying
[20:53:53] <Reedy>	 you can host it on your computer for free
[20:54:51] <Cocopuff2018>	 Hm ok  and then i can host it like the one i linked
[20:59:54] <ningu>	 you can host it on your own computer but you still need to pay for the domain name and for keeping it online
[21:00:21] <foreclosurepedia>	 I think that two things come into play. Your original link was an IP address. Think of that like a Lat/Lon. To be in the real world you have to have an address which is generally called a domain. So, 209.141.43.96 might be your home. If you had hosting and a domain it would be movies.com or whatever
[21:00:56] <ningu>	 yeah, it's not usually realistic to host without a domain name and a static ip
[21:00:57] <foreclosurepedia>	 The other issue is traffic. Will your ISP allow you to push and pull and also allow traffic to move freely.
[21:01:04] <foreclosurepedia>	 True story
[21:01:56] <foreclosurepedia>	 You can localhost for free to test things out and play. nothing like 127.0.0.1 to play at home ;)
[21:03:16] <ningu>	 yeah. just keep in mind that setting it up locally means you need to install php, mysql, a web server, etc
[21:03:30] <ningu>	 there are docs for all that
[21:04:37] <foreclosurepedia>	 Reedy: Provider gave me login details to go play with Composer. I wanted to thank you for helping today and that info about Purge was great! I have acct's at MW and WP under same handle. If I could have found that Purge deal in notes it would have been a life saver! Could you enter it or should I? 
[21:06:51] <Cocopuff2018>	 this seems hard
[21:07:26] <ningu>	 Cocopuff2018: well, doing it yourself is always harder than paying someone else to do it
[21:07:41] <Cocopuff2018>	 anyone of you take payment to do it
[21:07:55] <ningu>	 just use TMD or whatever
[21:08:05] <foreclosurepedia>	 but the return is always worth it! learn the craft, ask questions, and save the money!
[21:08:13] <ningu>	 yes
[21:08:21] <Cocopuff2018>	 What is tmd
[21:08:37] <ningu>	 Cocopuff2018: mentioned several times above
[21:08:48] <Cocopuff2018>	 Ah ok
[21:09:09] <Cocopuff2018>	 ok so now that i have Mediawiki installed we will use MYSQL
[21:09:27] <Cocopuff2018>	 however  i will not register a domain
[21:10:15] <ningu>	 if you don't have a domain it may cost more because you'll probably need a dedicated ip for just your server, can't use shared hosting
[21:10:35] <Cocopuff2018>	 how much we looking at
[21:12:44] <ningu>	 according to tmd, the basic plan lets you register a domain for free
[21:13:18] <Cocopuff2018>	 can ya link me it
[21:15:10] <ningu>	 https://www.tmdhosting.com/shared-hosting.html
[21:19:25] <Cocopuff2018>	 ok so i want a full free project
[21:20:17] <ningu>	 good luck with that
[21:22:40] <Cocopuff2018>	 why ya say that
[21:23:14] <ningu>	 cause it doesn't exist
[21:27:07] <Vulpix>	 Cocopuff2018: by "full free project" you mean hosting it on your own computer? Or somewhere else?
[21:28:49] <Vulpix>	 Cocopuff2018: there are some "wiki farms" that can set up a wiki for you, and you won't have to pay anything. However, they'll put ads in your pages to pay for the hosting, and you may not have option to delete the wiki once you contribute to it (like fandom.com does)
[21:28:54] <Vulpix>	 See https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Hosting_services for options
[22:16:20] <Naleksuh>	 so, anyone who has experience with axios would know why sessions do not persist 
[23:53:39] <Cocopuff2018>	 once yu have ur wiki how do you acess LocalSettings.php_file