[00:01:44] <foreclosurepedia>	 Or simply {{{Test|}}}
[02:31:43] <Jayprakash12345>	 Hi, I am developing a script for Visual Editor with help of https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/VisualEditor/Gadgets/Add_a_tool document. What should be MyTool.static.group value if I want to append the tool in main Toolbar of Visual Editor?
[02:38:41] <Jayprakash12345>	 edsanders: Any idea?
[10:37:21] <faceface>	 hihi
[10:37:33] <faceface>	 is this template still needed: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Plain_image_with_caption
[10:38:06] <faceface>	 Or is there a simpler way to create a borderless image with a 'label' (using the term label rather than caption as the latter is ambiguous)
[10:39:16] <faceface>	 I want a caption like frame, but frameless
[10:53:21] <faceface>	 I can't pick apart that template just to do what I want
[11:04:23] <edsanders>	 Jayprakash12345, toolbar groups are defined here: https://github.com/wikimedia/mediawiki-extensions-VisualEditor/blob/master/modules/ve-mw/init/targets/ve.init.mw.Target.js#L46
[13:58:14] <Jhs->	 I have come across a peculiar problem at an external wiki I'm helping out with. They have an article, "Bygdøy allé" (note the é). When you visit "Bygdøy alle" (without the accent), the exact same content is shown, with the page title shown differently. In the history they are exactly the same, down to the revision IDs. So is there some setting that could be at play here? I haven't found anything in LocalSettings.php that should h
[13:58:15] <Jhs->	 ave an impact on this. Could it be a server setting?
[14:10:33] <faceface>	 This rings a vague bell
[14:13:24] <faceface>	 can't find anything either
[14:15:16] <faceface>	 Jhs-: what does {{PAGENAME}} show?
[14:21:22] <Jhs->	 faceface, "Bygdøy allé". I actually tested some more, and basically everything leads you to the same article. e.g. "ByGdÖy AllÈ" also works.
[14:22:05] <faceface>	 Right
[14:22:26] <faceface>	 also try "ByGdÖy    AllÈ"
[14:23:05] <Jhs->	 faceface, also works, the number of underscores stays the same (on Wikipedia they get truncated to just one)
[14:23:48] <faceface>	 This is down to the fact that titles are a) datbase keys, and b) need to be URL encoded
[14:24:00] <faceface>	 so various functions 'muck about' with the string
[14:24:39] <faceface>	 At the end of the day it all 'just works'
[14:25:37] <faceface>	 Actually, that upper case G doesn't look right...
[14:26:33] <faceface>	 When you say, 'when you visit' do you mean, when you enter that URL? or when you do [[ByGdÖy AllÈ]]
[14:30:44] <Jhs->	 faceface, only the correct title [[Bygdøy allé]] gives a blue link, all other variants give red links. But when you click them, you come to [[Bygdøy allé]] regardless (i.e. the &redlink=1 kicks in).
[14:31:17] <Jhs->	 no, actually, [[BygdØy AlLe]] gives a blue link. But a red link if you have é instead
[14:31:18] <faceface>	 Jhs-: Test page and Tést page are different pages in my wiki
[14:31:41] <faceface>	 weird
[14:31:52] <faceface>	 What database / collation are you using?
[14:31:57] <faceface>	 and does this matter?
[14:32:53] <faceface>	 also, what browser
[14:35:58] <Jhs->	 faceface, collation for what exactly? DB = mysql. tested in both firefox and brave (chromium)
[14:36:36] <Jhs->	 the issue came up because a user of the wiki complained that the article had recent edits when he visited the é variant, but not the e variant
[14:36:52] <faceface>	 I'm rusty, but table type and character encoding (collation) can have an effect
[14:36:53] <Jhs->	 (i.e. his edits showed up in one and not the other)
[14:37:09] <faceface>	 Jhs-: sounds like a caching issue
[14:37:24] <faceface>	 if not... that's really weird!
[14:37:30] <Jhs->	 yeah. they also have lots of other caching issues :P 
[14:41:51] <faceface>	 [[BygdØy AlLe]] gives a blue link < On the page Bygdøy allé?
[14:43:45] <Jhs->	 faceface, on the page itself it gives a bold link (like what happens when a page links to itself)
[14:43:55] <faceface>	 Bygdøy allé, Bygdøy alle, ByGdÖy AllÈ and BygdØy AlLe are all different pages on my wiki
[14:44:05] <faceface>	 Jhs- Cool
[15:00:43] <faceface>	 I somehow uploaded a truncated PDF to the wiki (12 pages) I think I had a download then a conversion problem
[15:01:08] <faceface>	 I clicked "Upload a new version of this file" and it shows up as "22 pages (640 KB)"
[15:01:21] <faceface>	 (the old version is listed as "12 pages (353 KB)"
[15:01:31] <faceface>	 However, when I click the thumbnail, I only see 12 pages
[15:02:02] <faceface>	 Bah... caching issues of my own. Works fine if I open incognito
[15:23:49] <faceface>	 Is there a special page for orphaned redirects?
[15:24:39] <Reedy>	 orphaned as in?
[15:24:44] <Reedy>	 they're not linked to? or they go nowhere?
[15:25:05] <faceface>	 They are not linked to
[15:25:39] <faceface>	 what links here shows "No pages link to ..."
[15:27:42] <Reedy>	 I don't think so, but creating one wouldn't be hard
[15:27:58] <Reedy>	 Special:LonelyPages explicitly excludes redirects
[15:39:59] <faceface>	 Thanks for looking