[00:01:39] <jfolv>	 With my luck? It probably is a shit show.
[00:01:46] <jfolv>	 Just about everything else has been so far.
[00:04:10] <jfolv>	 The highlight of my day has been manually reformatting the MonoBook template because the last admin decided to... well, you guessed it: modify the core skin files.
[00:04:39] <jfolv>	 This whole thing makes me want a stiff drink and a concussion.
[00:15:26] <Reedy>	 I don't quite get it
[00:15:38] <Reedy>	 It doesn't take much searching to find out there's better ways to do this
[01:16:57] <jfolv>	 I do get it, as stupid as it sounds. I wasn't exactly the best sysadmin when I first started.
[01:17:28] <jfolv>	 And he founded the project. He probably used it as way to learn some skills
[01:18:04] <jfolv>	 Unfortunately, the guy is no longer around (or even reachable), so I'm the poor sap left to deal with the resulting mess
[01:21:27] <jfolv>	 Having experience with the MediaWiki software doesn't mean much if it's been hacked to death
[01:22:07] <Reedy>	 At least with making "hacks" onwiki, you've got a changelog etc
[01:23:06] <jfolv>	 Yeah. At this point, I'm seriously wondering if it's possible to just take all the pages and start over. Make a brand new wiki, import all the pages, and essentially start clean
[01:23:21] <jfolv>	 Because I'm running into things that, by all rights, should not happen.
[01:23:24] <Reedy>	 !export
[01:23:24] <wm-bot>	 To export pages from a wiki, navigate to Special:Export on the wiki, type in the names of the pages to export, and hit "export". See <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Export> for an example of this form. See also: !import
[01:23:50] <Reedy>	 !backup
[01:23:50] <wm-bot>	 See http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Backing_up_a_wiki for information about backing up your wiki. For restoring your wiki, see http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Moving_a_wiki#Import_the_database_backup for more. If you don't have database access, try !grabber.
[01:24:12] <Reedy>	 dumpBackup/importDump etc
[01:25:35] <jfolv>	 I'm going to keep that in mind. It's unrealistic right now, but I have a lot of plans for this network down the line, and I think I can convince the people who own it to let me do this sometime next year.
[01:26:27] <jfolv>	 Right after I create some new servers to replace the Ubuntu 14.04 that's still running (srsly plz kill me)
[01:35:00] <Reedy>	 It's only 18 months EOL..
[01:45:04] <Betacommand>	 !sidebar
[01:45:04] <wm-bot>	 To edit the navigation menu on the left, edit page [[MediaWiki:Sidebar]] on your wiki using its special syntax (see https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Interface/Sidebar for details). If you need more control, you can use the SkinBuildSidebar hook (https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Hooks/SkinBuildSidebar).
[02:50:15] <jfolv>	 "only"
[03:20:35] <DeaTHClowN>	 fucking losers
[03:38:03] <Hazard-SJ>	 Any mediawiki.org admins around? Got a lot of spam @ https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/223.182.246.65
[03:40:08] <Skizzerz>	 Hazard-SJ: looking
[03:40:12] <Hazard-SJ>	 Thanks!
[03:45:03] <Skizzerz>	 Hazard-SJ: I think it's good now, want to confirm?
[03:48:20] <Hazard-SJ>	 Looks like you deleted them all - thanks!
[03:48:36] <Skizzerz>	 Nuke was helpful :P
[03:50:02] <Hazard-SJ>	 I can relate :P
[06:54:07] <jfolv>	 Is no one going to mention that random guy that joined to insult everyone then left?
[12:46:26] <baruna>	 hi, how can I get wikitext of actual page using javascript? 
[12:48:29] <Reedy>	 you could call the api...
[12:49:12] <baruna>	 isn't there something like mw.config.get('pageContent') ?
[12:50:26] <Reedy>	 I don't think so. It'd add quite a bit extra to the payload of the page in a large page
[13:02:06] <Vulpix>	 !mw Api:Revisions
[13:02:06] <wm-bot>	 https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Api:Revisions
[13:02:23] <Vulpix>	 baruna: see ^
[13:02:58] <Vulpix>	 If you're on an edit action, you can get the contents of the textarea directly
[13:03:48] <Vulpix>	 (but be aware of editing a single section)
[13:17:16] <faceface>	 this may be a wp question or a chrome question but... how to make font bigger on print?
[13:17:29] <faceface>	 print for partially sighted
[13:19:20] <faceface>	 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:Printing#Personal_customization
[13:24:43] <faceface>	 Hmm... after bumping those fonts, it look smaller :-/
[13:24:55] <faceface>	 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Dan_Bolser/vector.css
[13:25:32] <faceface>	 Some bits are bigger, e.g. the info box, but most of the 'body' of the content is smaller ... which is annoying
[13:26:02] <Vulpix>	 Looking att the comment, apparently that snippet is for getting smaller fonts: /* save ink and paper with very small fonts */
[13:26:13] <faceface>	 yes, sorry, copy pasta
[13:26:19] <faceface>	 I put a 1 in front of all sizes
[13:27:28] <faceface>	 I suspect the information is old, and the class of the body text has changesd
[13:27:41] <faceface>	 As I said, I do see some changes
[13:28:29] <faceface>	 Trying again...
[13:28:46] <Vulpix>	 You can easily fiddle with it using the browser developer console (hit the F12 key)
[13:29:08] <faceface>	 Yes, but assume I'm not a web developer for a moment...
[13:29:16] <faceface>	 sorry, just a bit frustrated, sorry
[13:29:46] <Vulpix>	 This is to test things easily without having to save your user page on each change
[13:29:51] <faceface>	 My dad is stuck in lockdown and his tv is broken (his whole life basically). Nobody can come in to fix it because of lock down... just trying to post him some articles
[13:30:12] <faceface>	 thanks
[13:30:36] <faceface>	 .mw-body-content p ?
[13:32:23] <Vulpix>	 that would affect all paragraphs of the main content
[13:33:12] <faceface>	 Right, which is what I want to make bigger, but it isn't working
[13:33:18] <faceface>	 Have to go now unfortunately.
[13:33:35] <faceface>	 I guess this is a web thing much more than a WP/MW thing.
[13:33:42] <faceface>	 thanks for help
[13:39:33] <Vulpix>	 yw
[17:37:01] <RodneyAraujo>	 hello
[17:37:36] <RodneyAraujo>	 i have multiple issues in ContentTranslation
[17:38:54] <RodneyAraujo>	 The templates not display when i load my saved translation
[17:39:58] <RodneyAraujo>	 the publish button gets stuck on publishing
[17:41:16] <RodneyAraujo>	 Forza i have multiple issues in Wikipedia Content Translation tool
[17:53:35] <RodneyAraujo>	 ashley  need help, i have multiple issues in cxt
[18:19:40] <srevinsaju>	 Hello. Is this the right place to ask questions on mediawiki skins?
[18:20:54] <Reedy>	 Potentially as good as any
[18:22:00] <srevinsaju>	 Perfect. Thanks for the quick reply. I tried adding Minerva Neue skin (for mobile only), but it misses the <meta viewport.. tag, and it looks really small
[18:22:36] <srevinsaju>	 is this because of some conflict between the Vector theme, the order in which the skins are loaded, or..?
[18:22:55] <Reedy>	 MW should only use one skin at a time...
[18:23:17] <Reedy>	 Have you got MobileFrontend installed too?
[18:23:21] <srevinsaju>	 Yes
[18:35:03] <srevinsaju>	 I have these set in my LocalSettings.php
[18:35:05] <srevinsaju>	 wfLoadSkin( 'MinervaNeue' );
[18:35:07] <srevinsaju>	 $wgDefaultMobileSkin = "minerva";
[18:35:42] <srevinsaju>	 If I remove this, and the default vector theme is used, its responsicve. it has the meta tag defining viewport
[18:35:53] <srevinsaju>	 s/responsicve/responsive
[18:36:30] <Reedy>	 From what I can see, MinervaNeue doesn't have one at all...
[18:36:31] <Reedy>	 <div id="mw-mf-viewport">
[18:36:40] <srevinsaju>	 oh
[18:36:45] <srevinsaju>	 But wikipedia has it
[18:37:05] <Reedy>	 I was about to ask if it worked fine on wikipedia :)
[18:37:21] <Reedy>	 What version of MediaWiki etc?
[18:37:26] <srevinsaju>	 it works fine on wikipedia, it has the <meta viewport stuff
[18:37:38] <srevinsaju>	 even on other wiki's like the mediawiki's wiki
[18:37:44] <srevinsaju>	 MediaWiki 1.35 REL
[18:37:50] <srevinsaju>	 REL1_35
[18:38:09] <srevinsaju>	 I would be glad to provide any additional information
[18:38:20] <Reedy>	 most of the time all of the wikimedia wikis run the same version, fwiw
[18:38:43] <srevinsaju>	 I wonder if its something related to MobileFrontend
[18:39:18] <srevinsaju>	 I can see the skins and MobileFrontend are loaded
[18:39:41] <Reedy>	 It's certainly possible something is broken in REL1_35, as there was some refactoring starting to happen etc. But if it was completely broken, I'd imagine we'd possibly have heard a bit more widely
[18:39:53] <Reedy>	 skins and extensions on the same branch too?
[18:40:07] <Reedy>	 I've gotta go out for a bit... But if you hang around, someone might be able to help
[18:40:12] <srevinsaju>	 well, no Minerva Neue is on master
[18:40:12] <Reedy>	 Otherwise file a bug in phabricator
[18:40:13] <srevinsaju>	 sure
[18:40:19] <Reedy>	 That might explain it
[18:40:20] <srevinsaju>	 I will keep connected
[18:40:33] <Reedy>	 Try them all on REL1_35, there might be some incompatabilities
[18:40:42] <srevinsaju>	 Ok, I will try checking out REL1_35, and update you on how it goes
[18:40:42] <Reedy>	 Especially as the skins are being refactored in some major ways :)
[18:40:44] <srevinsaju>	 thanks :)
[18:43:56] <srevinsaju>	 Oh yes, that fixed it!
[18:44:00] <srevinsaju>	 Thanks Reedy!!
[19:56:54] <Reedy>	 sweet
[19:57:12] <srevinsaju>	 :D
[20:00:46] <Reedy>	 Generally, that's good advice for future
[20:01:13] <Reedy>	 Not going to solve all bugs, but "generally" we advise matching MW branch to extension/skin branch
[22:19:49] <equinoxsdf44>	 Hey, can anyone tell me how to get the author of the first revision, in PHP?
[22:20:08] <equinoxsdf44>	 I have a Title instance, and I want to get the "author" (the first revision user) for the title
[22:20:13] <equinoxsdf44>	 How do I go about dpoing that
[22:31:03] <MatmaRex>	 you might use RevisionStore::getFirstRevision()
[23:22:12] <RodneyAraujo>	 hello
[23:25:49] <RodneyAraujo>	 CoreISP i have multiple issues in content translation
[23:26:34] <CoreISP>	 Ok
[23:29:06] <RodneyAraujo>	 publish button gets stuck in publishing, the templates not shown correctly when already load my saved translation and the content of the templates not save, CoreISP
[23:36:23] <RodneyAraujo>	 i need help
[23:36:23] <wm-bot>	 Hi RodneyAraujo, just ask! There is no need to ask if you can ask, if you already asked the question please wait for someone to respond
[23:44:32] <RodneyAraujo>	 help
[23:45:14] <RodneyAraujo>	 i need a answer