[00:52:11] <billinghurst>	 JD|cloud, thanks, the parent task helped a lot
[00:52:14] <billinghurst>	 grandparent
[00:53:01] <billinghurst>	 ugh
[00:53:15] <billinghurst>	 thanks James_F the grandparent task was good
[00:53:31] <James_F>	 billinghurst: Yeah, deep technical stuff, sorry.
[00:53:42] * billinghurst mumbles don't hit autocomplete without checking
[00:54:04] <billinghurst>	 I understand, just wanted to comprehend
[00:54:17] <billinghurst>	 no apologies needed
[00:55:53] <James_F>	 For that task, in practice, the user-experience change would just be that we'd move [[m:Title blacklist]] to [[m:MediaWiki:Page title ban list]] or something. Nothing that would have any serious impact on anyone (and we'd leave redirects of course).
[00:56:03] <billinghurst>	 always the fine  balance between asking the naive useful questions and the stupid
[00:56:47] <James_F>	 :-D
[00:56:50] <billinghurst>	 happy with with moving the pages to the mw: ns, that makes perfect sense
[00:57:05] <James_F>	 Simpler for people to understand why it's not a generally-editable page.
[00:57:08] <James_F>	 Etc.
[00:58:50] <billinghurst>	 I have people who I feel comfortable editing blacklists, though less so into AF
[00:59:37] <James_F>	 Oh, definitely.
[00:59:45] <billinghurst>	 hell, if we could get something that gave me short term blacklisting like we have short term watchlists, that would be fabulous
[01:00:11] <billinghurst>	 some spam urls are only around for a month or so, before the spambots move on
[01:00:27] <James_F>	 Let's not sprint before we crawl.
[01:00:42] <James_F>	 But yeah, the whole *Blacklist system is very clunky and feature-limited compared to AF.
[01:04:19] <billinghurst>	 yep, just also trying to think benefits, as well as negatives, too easy focus to the problems of change
[04:20:29] <masyma>	 hi all, I would to make a new variabel $wmg but I getting error with message " undefine variable wmg" what should I do first before use $wmg
[04:22:54] <masyma>	 this is example code https://dpaste.org/whZf
[04:28:42] <syman51>	 hi
[17:10:04] <Amir1>	 James_F: thanks. I have a couple more if you want to take a look https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/q/bug:T277883+status:open
[17:10:04] <stashbot>	 T277883: Drop all low-use and unused features of FlaggedRevs to make it more maintainable - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T277883
[17:25:45] <James_F>	 Amir1: Yeah, working my way through them.
[17:27:11] <Amir1>	 Thanks <3
[18:10:42] <Silly2>	 Hi, im trying to install media wiki 1.35.1 on ubuntu 18.04. LTS, using PHP7.3. Does any one have a link to some clear instructions for this? Thank you very much.
[18:11:45] <Reedy>	 !install
[18:11:45] <wm-bot>	 Installing MediaWiki takes between 10 and 30 minutes, and involves uploading/copying files and running the installer script to configure the software. Full instructions can be found in the INSTALL file supplied in the distribution archive. An installation manual can also be found at <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Installation>. See also: !download
[18:12:52] <Silly2>	 im installing on a command line.
[18:13:32] <Silly2>	 But i get this... after following the instalation steps...If you compiled PHP yourself, reconfigure it with a database client enabled, for example, using ./configure --with-mysqli. If you installed PHP from a Debian or Ubuntu package, then you also need to install, for example, the php-mysql package.
[18:13:45] <Reedy>	 https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Install.php
[18:15:08] <Reedy>	 If you're getting an error like htat, you either haven't installed the correct db drivers, or it's not installed in your current PHP config
[18:24:14] <Silly2>	 Thanks, i got it, that help me... have a good day.