[02:00:12] <HaeB>	 FYI in case you folks hadn't seen it: http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/xpl/login.jsp?tp=&arnumber=7450779 (last month's IEEE Consumer Electronics magazine, paywalled)...
[02:00:43] <HaeB>	 ...general interest article about bots with a section about wikipedia bots and a special mention of ORES
[03:15:55] <YuviPanda>	 if only it deemed me worthy of reading it
[04:09:45] <wikibugs>	 10Revision-Scoring-As-A-Service-Backlog, 10rsaas-editquality: [Spike] Proof of concept damage detection with hash vectors - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T132581#2279442 (10Sabya) > How are you parameterizing the GradientBoostingClassifier model when constructing it? I think that it would be worthwhile to...
[11:41:07] <wikibugs>	 06Revision-Scoring-As-A-Service, 10Wikimania-Hackathon-2016, 10bwds: Generate bad words for all languages more than 100K articles - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T134629#2280113 (10Qgil)
[11:42:09] <wikibugs>	 10Revision-Scoring-As-A-Service-Backlog, 10Wikimania-Hackathon-2016: A training session on supporting ores in more languages in Wikimania Hackathon - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T134628#2280114 (10Qgil)
[16:32:04] * halfak makes a fart noise at paywalls
[16:32:17] <halfak>	 And then I'll try to circumvent them :) 
[16:33:50] <Amir1>	 o/
[16:33:56] <Amir1>	 halfak: I'm getting ready to go
[16:34:13] <Amir1>	 I probably would have some time to work in Tehran's ariport
[16:34:17] <Amir1>	 *airpot
[16:34:22] <Amir1>	 :)))
[16:34:26] <Amir1>	 *airport
[16:35:10] <Amir1>	 also it would be great if you send the weekly update
[16:35:22] <halfak>	 Amir1, will do
[16:37:33] <halfak>	 From the paper "[ORES uses] various textual quality metrics that include tone, grammatical structure, and perspective neutrality"  Where the heck did they get all that? 
[16:37:46] <halfak>	 We might have *signal* for tone by accident. 
[16:39:03] <Amir1>	 :)))
[16:41:20] <DarTar>	 yo Amir1, halfak 
[16:41:24] <DarTar>	 quick question:
[16:41:38] <Amir1>	 o/
[16:41:53] <DarTar>	 I’m going to give people the heads up about the ORES beta during the Design meeting this morning
[16:42:06] <DarTar>	 can you guys give me pointers to the latest design 
[16:42:24] <DarTar>	 like the best way to see this on labs or any additional mockups/design documents?
[16:42:28] <Amir1>	 DarTar: the extension?
[16:42:31] <DarTar>	 yep
[16:42:40] <Amir1>	 en.wikipedia.beta.wmflabs.org/wiki/Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-betafeatures
[16:42:46] <Amir1>	 this is one of setups
[16:42:52] <DarTar>	 awesome
[16:42:59] <Amir1>	 it's there for all languages of Wikipedia in beta
[16:43:06] <Amir1>	 it.wikipedia.beta.wmflabs.org/wiki/Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-betafeatures works as well
[16:43:13] <DarTar>	 fantastic thx
[16:43:17] <halfak>	 \o/
[16:43:31] <DarTar>	 any additional design-related request for help?
[16:43:44] <DarTar>	 I have J-Mo signed up for helping with a heuristic evaluation
[16:43:47] <Amir1>	 mw-revscoring.wmflabs.org/wiki/Special:RecentChanges
[16:44:07] <Amir1>	 I had but I can't quite remember 
[16:44:36] <Amir1>	 DarTar: I'm packing up for an unexpected journey :D is it okay to send this by email
[16:53:22] <DarTar>	 Amir1: sure
[16:54:08] <DarTar>	 Amir1, halfak: http://it.wikipedia.beta.wmflabs.org/ “no wiki found “
[16:54:51] <Amir1>	 it seems beta doesn't have it language
[16:54:57] <Amir1>	 that's super strange
[16:54:57] <halfak>	 huh
[16:56:17] <Amir1>	 DarTar: http://en.wikipedia.beta.wmflabs.org/wiki/Special:SiteMatrix
[16:56:54] <DarTar>	 yup, no it
[16:56:55] <Amir1>	 sorry, I assumed it has Italian, It should. We can set it up real quick if you want
[16:57:02] <DarTar>	 nah, enwiki will do
[16:57:08] <Amir1>	 okay
[16:57:11] <Amir1>	 thanks :)
[16:57:26] <DarTar>	 right now I only see two revs flagged as damaging 
[16:57:57] <DarTar>	 if you have any additional design handy so I can showcase it, it’d be great (meeting starts in 5, sorry about the zero notice :( )
[16:59:07] <DarTar>	 are there other features on top of the rev highlighting that you want me to showcase?
[16:59:51] <Amir1>	 DarTar: you can check the preferences 
[17:00:08] <DarTar>	 yup, on it
[17:00:09] <DarTar>	 thx
[17:00:15] <Amir1>	 in watchlist
[17:00:24] <Amir1>	 people can change sensitivity 
[17:00:38] <DarTar>	 yes, perfect
[17:00:42] <Amir1>	 + there is an option in the RC that people can "hide good edits"
[17:00:55] <DarTar>	 and thethreshold for each option is currently set at what value?
[17:01:00] <Amir1>	 which is super useful for wikis like wikidata or enwiki
[17:01:03] <DarTar>	 yup, saw that too
[17:01:10] <Amir1>	 depends on the wiki
[17:01:20] <Amir1>	 for this wiki I think it's .7 and .9
[17:01:24] <Amir1>	 but not sure
[17:01:33] <DarTar>	 got it
[17:01:39] <DarTar>	 thanks, that’s super helpful
[17:19:25] <DarTar>	 {{done}} :)
[17:19:26] <AsimovBot>	 You rule, DarTar!
[17:19:33] <DarTar>	 ha ha
[17:20:04] <DarTar>	 it was well received and Pau says he wants to keep a close eye on the extension and service for potential integration into collab interfaces 
[17:20:58] <DarTar>	 Amir1, halfak: have you guys thought of something similar to the Metadata gadget for the wp1.0 model? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Metadata_gadget
[17:21:15] <DarTar>	 I have it enabled and love it
[17:21:37] <DarTar>	 poor choice of color from an accessibility standpoint for sure
[17:22:01] <DarTar>	 but I love the idea of an indicator next to the article title
[17:22:24] <Amir1>	 DarTar: https://github.com/wikimedia/operations-mediawiki-config/blob/master/wmf-config/InitialiseSettings-labs.php
[17:22:29] <Amir1>	 It's 0.7 and 0.8
[17:22:47] <DarTar>	 Amir1: right
[17:22:58] <Amir1>	 about the gadget
[17:23:15] <Amir1>	 it's a little bit hard but doable 
[17:23:21] <Amir1>	 but
[17:23:26] <Amir1>	 we need a designer 
[17:23:54] <DarTar>	 totally
[17:23:59] <DarTar>	 not doable without one
[19:46:12] <Amir1>	 halfak: in the airport
[19:46:20] <Amir1>	 I can work for 1:45
[20:01:04] <Amir1>	 YuviPanda: hey, If you have some time: https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/287570
[20:01:29] <Amir1>	 I changed it to using uwsgi settings, I added it to ini file manually in http://labels-experiment.wmflabs.org/ and it worked
[20:24:08] <halfak>	 o/
[20:24:38] <Amir1>	 o/
[20:24:40] <halfak>	 Sorry I haven't gotten to the weekly update yet.  I'm doing that right now
[20:25:01] <Amir1>	 halfak: I'm in the airport and right now I'm working. I can work for about one or two hours
[20:25:24] <halfak>	 Gotcha.  Have stuff you plan to pick up?
[20:25:59] <Amir1>	 halfak: I just fixed the gerrit patch for wikilabels
[20:26:11] <Amir1>	 if it's merged we would have cors enabled for wikilabels :)
[20:26:47] <halfak>	 Great.  That'll be nice.  We can switch the JS from using jsonp to regular AJAX. 
[20:27:04] <Amir1>	 yup
[20:27:28] <Amir1>	 (plus I think removing your "get_good_connection" method wasn't very good) 
[20:28:16] <Amir1>	 It seems I see "putting away a bad connection" in wikilabels-experiment logs
[20:28:22] <Amir1>	 so not a good to deploy
[20:28:27] <Amir1>	 *good idea 
[20:28:37] <halfak>	 Ha!  Not crazy.  Though probably not the best solution. 
[20:28:59] <halfak>	 Seems like our connection pool should handle this for us. 
[20:29:09] <halfak>	 I must have come to the conclusion that this wasn't happening before. 
[20:29:47] <Amir1>	 maybe something is wrong with the wikilabels-experiment machine
[20:29:53] <Amir1>	 I need to check that in depth
[20:30:07] <Amir1>	 because i did a lot of changes with that machine
[20:31:33] <halfak>	 could be.  Even so, we saw these problems in prod before. 
[20:32:22] <Amir1>	 yeah
[20:32:28] <Amir1>	 I think alex needs to see this
[20:42:01] <Amir1>	 halfak: Okay, I'm done with some minor stuff. Do you think I should work on the cache for ORES?
[20:42:10] <Amir1>	 that sounds a little bit complicated 
[20:42:34] <halfak>	 Amir1, yeah.  I think it's a good challenge for you and I'll run support. 
[20:42:45] <halfak>	 Just get where you can with it ping me if you need help
[20:42:49] <Amir1>	 okay cool
[20:42:50] <halfak>	 I think we can iterate like that. 
[20:42:58] <Amir1>	 I have exactly one hour
[20:43:01] <halfak>	 It'll help me think about how ORES' internals are probably overcomplicated. 
[20:44:24] <Amir1>	 my headphone just broke 
[20:44:31] <wikibugs>	 06Revision-Scoring-As-A-Service, 10revscoring: Make cache be preserved (in place) when solving dependencies - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T134781#2282725 (10Halfak) 05Open>03Resolved
[20:44:32] <halfak>	 SPAM
[20:44:33] <wikibugs>	 06Revision-Scoring-As-A-Service, 10ORES, 10revscoring: Score multiple models with the same cached dependencies - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T134606#2282726 (10Halfak)
[20:44:34] <halfak>	 OMG 
[20:44:35] <Amir1>	 I mean am I luckier 
[20:44:35] <wikibugs>	 06Revision-Scoring-As-A-Service, 10revscoring: Improve parsed feature performance (mwparserfromhell) - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T134780#2282727 (10Halfak) 05Open>03Resolved
[20:44:37] <halfak>	 HERE IT COMES
[20:44:37] <wikibugs>	 06Revision-Scoring-As-A-Service, 10wikilabels: u_wikilabels_test database should be a copy of u_wikilabels - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T134627#2282728 (10Halfak) 05Open>03Resolved
[20:44:39] <wikibugs>	 06Revision-Scoring-As-A-Service: ScoreRevisions only loads scores for the first few revisions. - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T134601#2282730 (10Halfak) 05Open>03Resolved
[20:44:42] <wikibugs>	 06Revision-Scoring-As-A-Service, 10revscoring: Apply regex performance optimizations to badwords/informals detection - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T134267#2282731 (10Halfak) 05Open>03Resolved
[20:44:44] <wikibugs>	 06Revision-Scoring-As-A-Service, 10ORES, 13Patch-For-Review: Configure ORES load balancer to rebalance on 500 error - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T111806#2282734 (10Halfak) 05Open>03Resolved
[20:44:46] <wikibugs>	 06Revision-Scoring-As-A-Service, 10ORES, 10wikilabels: Enable CORS for error responses from ORES - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T119325#2282733 (10Halfak) 05Open>03Resolved
[20:44:53] <halfak>	 Nooo Headphone are critical work-travel tools. 
[20:44:59] <halfak>	 Sorry dude. 
[20:45:06] <Amir1>	 :)))
[20:45:15] <Amir1>	 I'm laughing at my luck!
[20:45:20] <Amir1>	 anyway
[21:01:53] <Amir1>	 halfak: I'm running ores and hacking until it workds
[21:01:56] <Amir1>	 *works
[21:02:20] <Amir1>	 right now I defined cache = {rev_id: {} for rev_id in rev_ids}
[21:02:42] <Amir1>	 and pass it to scoring_process.score(caches=cache)
[21:03:11] <Amir1>	 but the cache variable stays the same over multiple models 
[21:03:19] <Amir1>	 {1299678: {}}
[21:03:37] <halfak>	 Hmm... Probably getting replaced somewhere. 
[21:03:39] <Amir1>	 Is there any steps that I missed or it's a bug?
[21:03:54] <halfak>	 We haven't released new revscoring since I solved the issues there!
[21:04:09] <Amir1>	 hmm
[21:04:16] <Amir1>	 let me update revscoring
[21:04:20] <Amir1>	 and install it directly
[21:05:02] * halfak is pushing 1.2.4 to pypi
[21:05:52] <Amir1>	 awesome
[21:06:55] <halfak>	 {{done}}
[21:06:55] <AsimovBot>	 How cool, halfak!
[21:07:37] <Amir1>	 still the same
[21:10:19] <halfak>	 Bummer.  Well at least the problem will be in ORES. 
[21:10:34] <halfak>	 So, I recommend using the id() method to find out when the original cache gets overwritten. 
[21:10:46] <halfak>	 id(some_object) will hive you the memory address of it. 
[21:11:03] <halfak>	 If that address changes for cache or caches, then you know it got overwritten with a new map. 
[21:11:13] <Amir1>	 okay
[21:11:22] <halfak>	 https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research_talk:Revision_scoring_as_a_service#Weekly_update_.28April_8th.29
[21:11:30] <halfak>	 See also ai & wikitech-l mailing lists :) 
[21:13:49] <Amir1>	 halfak: \o/
[21:13:50] <Amir1>	 thanks
[21:14:00] <Amir1>	 Id stays the same
[21:14:22] <Amir1>	 so let me ask to print everything 
[21:14:22] <halfak>	 All the way through?  Hmm
[21:14:29] <halfak>	 Maybe the sub-dicts within caches change?
[21:17:30] <Amir1>	 no
[21:17:38] <Amir1>	 I don't think so
[21:21:23] <Amir1>	 I check it in more depth very soon
[21:21:29] <Amir1>	 I need to go right now :(
[21:21:32] <Amir1>	 halfak: o/
[21:21:46] <Amir1>	 be back online in a few hours before the flight
[21:22:08] <halfak>	 o/
[23:08:51] <Amir1>	 halfak: back for half an hour
[23:18:56] <Amir1>	 halfak: https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/287570/
[23:34:15] <wikibugs>	 06Revision-Scoring-As-A-Service, 10Wikimania-Hackathon-2016, 10bwds: Generate bad words for all languages more than 100K articles - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T134629#2283460 (10Ladsgroup)