[00:09:11] 06Revision-Scoring-As-A-Service, 10Research Ideas, 10Wikimedia-Developer-Summit (2017): Algorithmic dangers and transparency -- Best practices - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T147929#2809800 (10Tbayer) >>! In T147929#2807379, @Halfak wrote: ... > When I presented on my preliminary results regarding anony... [06:57:38] (03PS1) 10VolkerE: Update dependencies and add missing license/repo information [extensions/ORES] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/322611 [07:00:41] (03CR) 10Ladsgroup: [C: 032] Update dependencies and add missing license/repo information [extensions/ORES] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/322611 (owner: 10VolkerE) [07:02:14] (03Merged) 10jenkins-bot: Update dependencies and add missing license/repo information [extensions/ORES] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/322611 (owner: 10VolkerE) [07:12:01] (03PS1) 10VolkerE: Introduce stylelint [extensions/ORES] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/322612 [07:37:10] (03CR) 10Legoktm: "I thought we don't specify license and repo information for MW extensions?" (031 comment) [extensions/ORES] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/322611 (owner: 10VolkerE) [07:42:38] (03CR) 10VolkerE: "@Legoktm Oh, I wasn't aware of that policy, I was just reacting to the npm warning actually! :} Should we revert it or amend it in your op" [extensions/ORES] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/322611 (owner: 10VolkerE) [08:10:08] (03CR) 10Ladsgroup: "We do: https://github.com/wikimedia/mediawiki-extensions-Wikibase/blob/master/package.json" [extensions/ORES] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/322611 (owner: 10VolkerE) [08:16:06] (03PS18) 10Ladsgroup: Visually report damaging confidence [extensions/ORES] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/320341 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T144922) [08:21:33] (03CR) 10Ladsgroup: [C: 032] Introduce stylelint [extensions/ORES] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/322612 (owner: 10VolkerE) [08:22:49] (03Merged) 10jenkins-bot: Introduce stylelint [extensions/ORES] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/322612 (owner: 10VolkerE) [10:45:31] 10Revision-Scoring-As-A-Service-Backlog, 10Wikidata, 05WMDE-Tech-Communication-Mentoring-And-Events: Wikidata item quality classification - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T127470#2810286 (10Glorian_Yapinus) @Sumit : thanks! I will let you know if I need something from you regarding to this task! I have s... [12:47:58] is ORES still live on Wikidata? seems the hidenondamaging parameter doesn't do anything any more (i.e. https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Special:RecentChanges&limit=500&hidenondamaging=1 gives the same as https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Special:RecentChanges&limit=500 ) [12:48:31] HaeB: I check asap [12:48:37] it might be a problem [12:49:45] HaeB: it gives me different results, you might be enabled "show nondamging" by default in your preferences (I did) [12:54:46] Amir1: i had checked in incognito mode and seen the same result there too [12:55:25] (there is an editor making a series of rapid edits currently, so one might not see the exact same result unless both URLs are loaded at the exact same time... [12:55:46] ...but looking at matching times, i see the same edits in each) [12:55:56] that's expected for icognito because ores is a beta feature and not enabled by default [12:56:19] oh, so what does the URL parameter do then? [12:56:39] nothing when you ores is not enabled [12:57:08] ah! that's... unexpected ;) [12:57:26] :D [12:57:30] ok, when logged in i see the correct result [12:58:56] sorry for the stupid question, but i seriously did not expect this behavior ;) (had already planned to send people to the hidenondamaging=1 URL as a means of demonstrating the utility of ORES) [12:59:34] HaeB: It's great that you asked before, otherwise lots of people acted strangely [12:59:41] thanks :) [13:28:31] (03PS1) 10Thiemo Mättig (WMDE): Clean up end markers of /* comment blocks */ [extensions/ORES] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/322645 [13:37:50] (03CR) 10Ladsgroup: Clean up end markers of /* comment blocks */ (032 comments) [extensions/ORES] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/322645 (owner: 10Thiemo Mättig (WMDE)) [14:03:04] (03PS1) 10Thiemo Mättig (WMDE): Documentation, deprecation and code style fixes [extensions/ORES] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/322647 [14:06:14] (03CR) 10Ladsgroup: Documentation, deprecation and code style fixes (031 comment) [extensions/ORES] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/322647 (owner: 10Thiemo Mättig (WMDE)) [14:07:05] (03CR) 10Thiemo Mättig (WMDE): "I don't care much about the start. This patch is about the end. In my opinion: starting with /** marks an "official" block of documentatio" [extensions/ORES] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/322645 (owner: 10Thiemo Mättig (WMDE)) [14:09:17] (03CR) 10Thiemo Mättig (WMDE): Documentation, deprecation and code style fixes (031 comment) [extensions/ORES] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/322647 (owner: 10Thiemo Mättig (WMDE)) [14:09:58] (03CR) 10Ladsgroup: [C: 032] Clean up end markers of /* comment blocks */ [extensions/ORES] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/322645 (owner: 10Thiemo Mättig (WMDE)) [14:17:30] (03PS1) 10Thiemo Mättig (WMDE): Add some more PHPCS sniffs [extensions/ORES] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/322649 [14:19:57] (03CR) 10Ladsgroup: "I have some stupid questions. Otherwise +2" (033 comments) [extensions/ORES] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/322647 (owner: 10Thiemo Mättig (WMDE)) [14:28:32] (03Merged) 10jenkins-bot: Clean up end markers of /* comment blocks */ [extensions/ORES] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/322645 (owner: 10Thiemo Mättig (WMDE)) [14:31:23] (03CR) 10Ladsgroup: Documentation, deprecation and code style fixes (031 comment) [extensions/ORES] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/322647 (owner: 10Thiemo Mättig (WMDE)) [14:33:05] (03CR) 10Thiemo Mättig (WMDE): Documentation, deprecation and code style fixes (032 comments) [extensions/ORES] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/322647 (owner: 10Thiemo Mättig (WMDE)) [15:14:34] 06Revision-Scoring-As-A-Service, 10Research Ideas, 10Wikimedia-Developer-Summit (2017): Algorithmic dangers and transparency -- Best practices - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T147929#2810737 (10Halfak) [15:18:59] 06Revision-Scoring-As-A-Service, 10Research Ideas, 10Wikimedia-Developer-Summit (2017): Algorithmic dangers and transparency -- Best practices - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T147929#2810742 (10Halfak) [15:19:25] 06Revision-Scoring-As-A-Service, 10Research Ideas, 10Wikimedia-Developer-Summit (2017): Algorithmic dangers and transparency -- Best practices - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T147929#2708826 (10Halfak) [15:29:16] 06Revision-Scoring-As-A-Service, 10Research Ideas, 10Wikimedia-Developer-Summit (2017): Where to surface AI in Wikimedia Projects - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T148690#2810763 (10Halfak) [15:37:29] 06Revision-Scoring-As-A-Service, 10Research Ideas, 10Wikimedia-Developer-Summit (2017): Building an AI wishlist & working groups for Wikimedia Projects - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T147710#2810783 (10Halfak) [15:39:59] o/ [15:40:05] Dev summit tasks are up to date! [15:40:10] Hey Amir1 [15:40:45] halfak: hey, WMDE meeting atm :) [15:41:03] kk [15:41:05] * halfak waits [15:51:10] (03CR) 10Anomie: Documentation, deprecation and code style fixes (032 comments) [extensions/ORES] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/322647 (owner: 10Thiemo Mättig (WMDE)) [15:53:04] (03CR) 10Thiemo Mättig (WMDE): Documentation, deprecation and code style fixes (031 comment) [extensions/ORES] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/322647 (owner: 10Thiemo Mättig (WMDE)) [15:57:22] halfak: done [15:57:25] what's up [15:57:51] I wanted you to read the "Lead" here: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research:ORES_paper#Outline [15:57:55] And see what you thought [15:57:59] No big rush :) [16:03:11] sure [16:03:41] Just let me grab a cookie [16:07:31] :D [16:11:21] Six coffees in a day is not that bad, right? [16:12:43] Yikes! If I have that many coffees, I feel like crap. [16:12:58] I have a max of 2 and a minimum of 1 for good functioning :) [16:14:07] \forall{days}{\ifthen{1 <= coffees(day) <= 2}{happy}} [16:14:33] my minimum is 4 but I'm hitting new recording these days [16:14:39] *records [16:14:58] halfak: I read it, I think some editing is needed [16:15:13] in matter of concept it looks good to me [16:15:21] but some typos I guess [16:15:32] 1- s/alter/alert [16:16:52] 2- s/community-lead/community lead (not sure but I think "A bar-foo thing" is correct but "Thing is bar-foo" is not and should be "Thing is bar foo" [16:17:32] I disagree on the community-lead [16:17:40] * halfak looks at alert [16:17:48] lol [16:17:53] Spoiler Alter [16:17:59] :D [16:20:56] (03CR) 10Ladsgroup: [C: 032] Documentation, deprecation and code style fixes [extensions/ORES] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/322647 (owner: 10Thiemo Mättig (WMDE)) [16:29:14] (03Merged) 10jenkins-bot: Documentation, deprecation and code style fixes [extensions/ORES] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/322647 (owner: 10Thiemo Mättig (WMDE)) [16:29:41] (03CR) 10Ladsgroup: [C: 032] Add some more PHPCS sniffs [extensions/ORES] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/322649 (owner: 10Thiemo Mättig (WMDE)) [16:31:51] halfak: Do you have a minute to check this? https://github.com/wiki-ai/wikilabels/pull/137 [16:35:14] (03CR) 10Anomie: Documentation, deprecation and code style fixes (034 comments) [extensions/ORES] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/322647 (owner: 10Thiemo Mättig (WMDE)) [16:36:56] Amir1, https://github.com/wiki-ai/wikilabels/pull/137#issuecomment-261991456 [16:37:57] (03Merged) 10jenkins-bot: Add some more PHPCS sniffs [extensions/ORES] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/322649 (owner: 10Thiemo Mättig (WMDE)) [16:38:51] 06Revision-Scoring-As-A-Service, 10rsaas-articlequality : Basic analysis of Wikipedia quality using monthly predictions - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T151214#2810934 (10Halfak) [16:39:23] 06Revision-Scoring-As-A-Service, 10rsaas-articlequality : Basic analysis of Wikipedia quality using monthly predictions - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T151214#2810974 (10Halfak) https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research_talk:Quality_dynamics_of_English_Wikipedia/Work_log/2016-11-19 I did most of this work... [16:45:05] Amir1, did you see the breaking change for quantities in WikiBase? Will we need to rebuild our models? [16:45:14] https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T150210 [16:45:29] I merged some patches for it [16:45:42] Will it change any of our extracted features? [16:45:52] we don't need to do it but probably we need to adjust pywikibase not to fail [16:46:04] but I need to check [16:46:12] kk [17:02:10] Amir1, sync ping! [17:02:44] One minute [17:06:23] 06Revision-Scoring-As-A-Service, 10ORES, 06Research-and-Data, 10Research-management: ORES (a 2-3 minute presentation) - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T150544#2811086 (10Halfak) [17:14:29] (03CR) 10Thiemo Mättig (WMDE): Documentation, deprecation and code style fixes (031 comment) [extensions/ORES] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/322647 (owner: 10Thiemo Mättig (WMDE)) [17:25:44] 06Revision-Scoring-As-A-Service, 10Wikilabels: Update bundled OOJS-ui with Wikilabels - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T151222#2811170 (10Halfak) [17:32:13] 10Revision-Scoring-As-A-Service-Backlog, 10Bad-Words-Detection-System, 10revscoring, 15User-Ladsgroup: Add language support for Tagalog - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T149475#2811207 (10Halfak) [17:59:36] 06Revision-Scoring-As-A-Service, 10Research Ideas, 10Wikimedia-Developer-Summit (2017): Building an AI wishlist & working groups for Wikimedia Projects - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T147710#2811352 (10Neil_P._Quinn_WMF) A couple of months ago, I was thinking that it would be very useful to have a model... [18:13:50] 06Revision-Scoring-As-A-Service, 10Research Ideas, 10Wikimedia-Developer-Summit (2017): Algorithmic dangers and transparency -- Best practices - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T147929#2811411 (10Neil_P._Quinn_WMF) This has been a hot topic in the media recently (e.g. Cathy O'Neil's book //Weapons of Math... [19:38:53] 06Revision-Scoring-As-A-Service, 10rsaas-articlequality : Create manually vetted dataset of spam/vandalism/attack pages - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T150307#2811724 (10Halfak) Halfaker, Aaron (2016): Deleted Wikipedia articles (spam/vandalism/attack). figshare. https://dx.doi.org/10.6084/m9.figshare.424... [20:42:39] (03CR) 10Anomie: Documentation, deprecation and code style fixes (031 comment) [extensions/ORES] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/322647 (owner: 10Thiemo Mättig (WMDE)) [21:13:05] 06Revision-Scoring-As-A-Service, 10Research Ideas, 10Wikimedia-Developer-Summit (2017): Building an AI wishlist & working groups for Wikimedia Projects - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T147710#2812125 (10Esquivalience) >>! In T147710#2811352, @Neil_P._Quinn_WMF wrote: > A couple of months ago, I was think... [21:26:01] 06Revision-Scoring-As-A-Service, 10ORES: ORES ui is broken (text field disabled) - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T150961#2812198 (10Halfak) It turns out that this is related to https://github.com/wiki-ai/ores/issues/177 "NaNs appear in ORES output " [21:28:23] 06Revision-Scoring-As-A-Service, 10ORES: ORES ui is broken (text field disabled) - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T150961#2812207 (10Halfak) https://github.com/wiki-ai/revscoring/pull/294 [21:28:36] 06Revision-Scoring-As-A-Service, 10ORES: ORES ui is broken (text field disabled) - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T150961#2812208 (10Halfak) a:03Halfak [21:29:32] 06Revision-Scoring-As-A-Service, 10Wikilabels: Update bundled OOJS-ui with Wikilabels - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T151222#2812214 (10Halfak) This might be a good opportunity to work with {T139959} [21:30:28] 06Revision-Scoring-As-A-Service, 10Wikilabels: Update bundled OOJS-ui with Wikilabels - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T151222#2812220 (10Halfak) See also how we did it for wikimedia ui: https://github.com/wiki-ai/flask-wikimediaui [21:31:25] 06Revision-Scoring-As-A-Service, 10Research Ideas, 10Wikimedia-Developer-Summit (2017): Building an AI wishlist & working groups for Wikimedia Projects - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T147710#2812223 (10Halfak) I'm working PCFGs for this. See T148032. Using this, we should be able to highlight sentence... [22:09:47] 10Revision-Scoring-As-A-Service-Backlog, 06Research-and-Data, 10Research-management: Reading-Research collaboration on ORES (start: Q3-FY17) - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T151259#2812448 (10DarTar) [22:10:46] 06Revision-Scoring-As-A-Service, 06Design-Research, 10Research Ideas, 06Research-and-Data, 10Wikimedia-Developer-Summit (2017): Evaluating the user experience of AI systems - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T149373#2812471 (10DarTar) [22:28:48] OK... So the PCGF pattern seems to be struggling with a major constraint [22:29:07] Loading spacy's parser into memory requires 1.7 GB [22:29:17] That would double our memory footprint [22:44:55] And it looks like my FA article PCFG is taking up an additional 1.5GB of memory. [22:45:11] I wonder if we could trim that down by collapsing all proper nouns. [22:58:37] OK just wrote some code for that and I'm building a new model. I think we'll want to do something for numbers too, but that'll need to wait for tomorrow. [22:58:38] o/