[10:09:07] 10Scoring-platform-team-Backlog, 10MediaWiki-extensions-ORES, 10User-MarcoAurelio: Exception at /srv/mediawiki/php-master/extensions/ORES/includes/Cache.php:158 (beta cluster) - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T172680#3505453 (10MarcoAurelio) [10:09:25] 10Scoring-platform-team-Backlog, 10MediaWiki-extensions-ORES: Exception at /srv/mediawiki/php-master/extensions/ORES/includes/Cache.php:158 (beta cluster) - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T172680#3505466 (10MarcoAurelio) [13:03:16] 10Scoring-platform-team-Backlog, 10Wikilabels, 10User-MarcoAurelio: Text dissapeared from WikiLabels gadget - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T172641#3505730 (10Ladsgroup) I checked and the problem is that you are using an outdated i18n, Can you check and update translations? I will do a deploy ASAP. [13:50:16] o/ [13:51:15] 10Scoring-platform-team-Backlog, 10Wikilabels, 10User-MarcoAurelio: Text dissapeared from WikiLabels gadget - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T172641#3505829 (10MarcoAurelio) Now: {F8980254} I guess this is what I'm suposed to see now right? :) [13:52:08] halfak i just found out a welsh town has the biggest name [13:52:17] llanfairpwllgwyngyllgogerychwyrndrobwllllantysiliogogogoch [13:52:22] it's actually called that [13:52:23] 10Scoring-platform-team-Backlog, 10Wikilabels, 10User-MarcoAurelio: Text dissapeared from WikiLabels gadget - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T172641#3505832 (10Ladsgroup) Yes :D [13:52:34] paladox, what the etymology? [13:52:39] Is it a long name on purpose? [13:52:44] i think so [13:52:59] it sounds like a word that does not exist [13:53:05] possibly only the welsh can speak it [13:53:06] Like hippopotomonstrosesquipedalian [13:53:12] lol [13:53:17] https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/hippopotomonstrosesquipedalian [13:53:20] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Llanfairpwllgwyngyll [13:54:06] Clicked on the IPA and got https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:IPA/Welsh [13:54:08] I give up [13:55:33] halfak: I just pushed a commit to master of revscoring [13:55:39] hope that's fine :D [13:55:44] hello by the way :D [13:55:53] Hey dude. [13:55:57] * halfak looks at the damage [13:56:14] fixing flake8 [13:56:17] SHAME [13:56:19] the build was broken [13:56:20] j/k looks good [13:56:22] :D [13:56:51] Should I walk in streets naked while everyone screaming shame? #GoTSpoiler [13:57:02] lol [13:58:10] wiki-ai/revscoring#1139 (master - 69e361f : Amir Sarabadani): The build was fixed. https://travis-ci.org/wiki-ai/revscoring/builds/261839063 [13:58:19] \o/ [13:58:28] I need to be afk for dinner [13:58:31] be back soon [13:58:55] o/ [13:58:58] 10Scoring-platform-team, 10Wikilabels, 10translatewiki.net, 10I18n, and 2 others: Wiki-ai-wikilabels-form-dagf-damaging-label and Wiki-ai-wikilabels-form-dagf-goodfaith-label appear as empty in translatewiki.net - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T172180#3505841 (10Halfak) Yeah. Definitely related. That... [14:00:13] 10Scoring-platform-team-Backlog, 10Wikilabels, 10User-MarcoAurelio: Text dissapeared from WikiLabels gadget - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T172641#3504398 (10Halfak) I like this solution better than trying to fight translatewiki.net while we wait for translations but this transition is certainly a rough... [14:04:16] 10Scoring-platform-team, 10ORES, 10Operations, 10Patch-For-Review, 10User-Joe: Stress/capacity test new ores* cluster - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T169246#3505857 (10Halfak) Looks like we have missed the scheduled time. I'm just waiting on review of the above patchset so that I can continue testi... [14:10:57] * halfak is unlikely to finish stress testing any time soon. [14:11:03] I guess I should work on other things. [14:17:05] halfak: I also deployed wikilabels too :D [14:17:16] it was just to update i18n files as they are chaning [14:18:01] I saw that [14:18:09] Thanks for getting that moving. [14:18:13] This is a bit of a pain. [14:19:29] Amir1, we still have the help information. E.g. https://github.com/wiki-ai/wikilabels-wmflabs-deploy/blob/master/forms/i18n/damaging_and_goodfaith/en.json#L3 [14:19:35] We could render that in the meantime. [14:20:17] hmmm, I'm not sure, I think i18n is catching up fast [14:24:15] Amir1, https://github.com/wiki-ai/wikilabels-wmflabs-deploy/pull/42 [14:24:19] 42! [14:24:38] What do you think of that? I think it was an oversight that this was dropped anyway. [14:24:45] And it will allow us to have a good middle-ground. [14:24:59] We'll probably want to keep using that anyway. [14:25:24] yeah, I agree [14:25:30] \o/ [14:25:38] Want to do a quick deploy? [14:25:56] (Also, you should add some tasks for the work you have been doing on this :D) [14:26:56] * halfak wants to report the work in the next update. [14:26:56] halfak: sure [14:35:44] The deploy is done now [14:35:51] I really need to get something to eat [14:35:57] I'll be back in ten minutes [14:36:10] a little bit more, half an hour I guess [14:37:40] o/ [15:29:22] Not work related but AI-related but over the weekend I finally played Tacoma (https://tacoma.game), the game that came out last week from developers of Gone Home, and I loved it. It's about AI and humanity's relationship with it & technology & ourselves. It's got a super interesting storytelling mechanism and if anyone here has been to the "Sleep No More" interactive play in New York, the experience & feeling is very similar. [15:30:16] It's also damn good sci-fi [16:41:35] 10Scoring-platform-team, 10User-Zppix: Early Aug 2017 Wikilabels Deployment - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T172332#3506579 (10Halfak) [16:41:37] 10Scoring-platform-team, 10Wikilabels, 10User-Zppix: Wikilabels should authenticate on meta wiki - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T166472#3506577 (10Halfak) 05declined>03Resolved [16:59:55] 10Scoring-platform-team-Backlog, 10Bad-Words-Detection-System, 10revscoring, 10User-Ladsgroup, 10artificial-intelligence: Add language support for Swahili (sw) - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T162271#3506655 (10Halfak) a:05Ladsgroup>03None [17:03:01] fajne, did you say you wanted 15 minutes break before we meet? [17:03:17] 'cause I'd be down for a break :) [17:03:24] * halfak gets tired talking so much [17:03:31] You'd never know. I talk a lot [17:04:34] halfak: only if you need it [17:04:44] Yeah. Let's take it. :) [17:04:49] See you in 10 mins [17:04:58] ok [17:05:29] halfak: i'll ping you after 1hour 10 min ;) [17:14:31] awight: regarding https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Volunteer_NDA do i need two separate requests if i need shell access and deleted text access? [17:15:45] I think so, yes [17:16:08] I don’t personally have deleted text access, so I’m not sure what the process is, lemme see if I can find anything... [17:17:54] Maybe halfak knows better, he was saying something about getting access through his staff account? I see a long essay about why this is difficult: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Viewing_deleted_content [17:22:52] awight: yes i had seen that right, currently i only need shell access for working on the makefile task so that should be fine [17:24:05] I did something naughty and took advantage of filesystem permissions to copy over the draftquality data set from another user’s directory... [17:25:17] You’ve jogged my memory now—I think this data set is available somewhere public. [17:51:34] 10Scoring-platform-team-Backlog, 10editquality-modeling, 10artificial-intelligence: Investigate code generation for model makefile maintenance - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T168455#3507060 (10awight) TODO: the fawiki example above needs to be reworked, now that I understand more about what we vary. So... [17:57:22] 10Scoring-platform-team-Backlog, 10editquality-modeling, 10revscoring, 10artificial-intelligence: Get signal from adding/removing images - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T172049#3484056 (10Halfak) We should be able to track image links on a per-wiki basis. Most images render from "wikilinks" like `[[Fi... [17:59:07] 10Scoring-platform-team, 10editquality-modeling, 10User-Ladsgroup, 10artificial-intelligence: Flagged revs approve model to fiwiki - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T166235#3507168 (10awight) @Zache: nudge--we're hoping to get your opinion on the question above. Just spot-check the data in that .json.bz... [17:59:13] 10Scoring-platform-team-Backlog, 10editquality-modeling, 10revscoring, 10artificial-intelligence: Get signal from adding/removing images - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T172049#3507169 (10Halfak) I would implement this inside of https://github.com/wiki-ai/editquality/blob/master/editquality/feature_lis... [18:03:46] 10Scoring-platform-team, 10MediaWiki-extensions-ORES, 10MW-1.30-release-notes (WMF-deploy-2017-06-27_(1.30.0-wmf.7)), 10Patch-For-Review, and 2 others: [Discuss] Make ORES Review Tool preferences more prominent - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T167910#3507178 (10awight) Collab-Scoring meeting minutes re... [18:07:12] 10Scoring-platform-team, 10editquality-modeling, 10revscoring, 10artificial-intelligence: Get signal from adding/removing images - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T172049#3507185 (10Halfak) a:03Natalia [18:17:54] o/ codezee [18:19:47] halfak: o/ [18:20:50] halfak: first thing i wanted to know, for cluster access related to makefile task, should i request addition to "nda" group ? - https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/LDAP_Groups [18:21:54] Oh good question. I do not know what that process looks like but I can try to get our tech admin involved. [18:22:08] Do you have a task started? [18:22:10] ^phab task [18:22:47] https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Volunteer_NDA#Volunteer NDA for privileged LDAP access or shell access requires creating a request mentioning the group to be added to [18:22:56] so i got stuck in a kind of deadlock [18:23:20] i'll create one now [18:24:52] Perfect. Make your specific to the NDA and I'll create a parent task for the data access. [18:25:27] 10Scoring-platform-team, 10articlequality-modeling, 10draftquality-modeling, 10artificial-intelligence: Get Sumit access to deleted page data for quality modeling - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T172719#3507287 (10Halfak) [18:25:39] codezee, ^ make that a parent task [18:26:29] 10Scoring-platform-team, 10editquality-modeling, 10User-Ladsgroup, 10artificial-intelligence: Flagged revs approve model to fiwiki - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T166235#3507306 (10Zache) Sorry about the delay. Just too many things to do. I am trying to do thist today. [18:34:45] codezee, I'm going to run out for lunch. I'll be back in ~45 [18:35:09] 10Scoring-platform-team, 10WMF-NDA-Requests: Ops-Access-Requests - shell access related to Scoring Platform project - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T172720#3507347 (10Sumit) [18:35:25] 10Scoring-platform-team, 10WMF-NDA-Requests: Ops-Access-Requests - shell access related to Scoring Platform project - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T172720#3507367 (10Sumit) [18:35:27] 10Scoring-platform-team, 10articlequality-modeling, 10draftquality-modeling, 10artificial-intelligence: Get Sumit access to deleted page data for quality modeling - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T172719#3507368 (10Sumit) [18:35:48] halfak: ^ [18:36:40] 10Scoring-platform-team, 10WMF-NDA-Requests: Data and Shell access related to Scoring Platform project on drafts and page reviews - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T172720#3507347 (10Sumit) [18:37:17] halfak: past the official stuff, I've been looking into https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research:New_page_reviewer_impact_analysis and reading up the notebook - http://paws-public.wmflabs.org/paws-public/User:Jtmorgan/NPP_delete_vs_deleted.ipynb [18:37:36] but is there any doc mentioning the actual log headers in the DB that we can access? [18:38:03] i mean the log entries documenting new page reviews [18:52:31] halfak: the hiera call should be like this [18:52:32] https://github.com/wikimedia/puppet/blob/production/hieradata/role/common/ores/redis.yaml [18:52:40] https://github.com/wikimedia/puppet/blob/production/modules/ores/manifests/redis.pp [18:52:51] check out ores::redis::queue_maxmemory [19:10:27] 10Scoring-platform-team: Project around page reviewing and drafts - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T172726#3507514 (10Sumit) [19:10:51] 10Scoring-platform-team, 10draftquality-modeling, 10artificial-intelligence: Project around page reviewing and drafts - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T172726#3507529 (10Sumit) [19:11:21] 10Scoring-platform-team, 10draftquality-modeling, 10artificial-intelligence: Project around page reviewing and drafts - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T172726#3507543 (10Sumit) [19:14:14] 10Scoring-platform-team, 10WMF-NDA-Requests: Data and Shell access related to Scoring Platform project on drafts and page reviews - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T172720#3507554 (10Sumit) [19:34:24] halfak hows your day been o/ [19:49:30] o/ Zppix. I'm in meeting. But good! [19:56:06] halfak if there anything i can do, merge create tasks, whatever im here (well sorta im working a bit on my own projects and watching for some tasks i can do for AI that wont drive me nuts) [19:56:54] 10Scoring-platform-team, 10draftquality-modeling, 10artificial-intelligence: Project around page reviewing and drafts - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T172726#3507793 (10Sumit) [19:56:57] Zppix, coming to wikimania (forgot if I asked already) [19:57:00] ? [20:01:59] halfak: Did we cancel the ores docs meeting? [20:13:06] Zppix, I'll look. One sec [20:14:48] 10Scoring-platform-team-Backlog, 10ORES: starting Edit quality ORES campaign for fawiki - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T172629#3504104 (10Halfak) @Yamaha5, I'm confused. Do you want us to start an //edit types// campaign for fawiki? [20:19:27] halfak ah i cannot attend [20:20:37] 10Scoring-platform-team-Backlog: [Epic] Coordinate ORES UI features between Scoring and Collab teams - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T172743#3507900 (10awight) [20:20:45] ^ <3 [20:21:42] Zppix, https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T172225 [20:21:50] What do you think of looking into making a progress bar work? [20:22:46] I found https://stackoverflow.com/questions/3173320/text-progress-bar-in-the-console and https://pypi.python.org/pypi/tqdm [20:23:23] 10Scoring-platform-team, 10MediaWiki-extensions-ORES, 10Collaboration-Team-Triage (Collab-Team-Q1-Jul-Sep-2017), 10MW-1.30-release-notes (WMF-deploy-2017-08-01_(1.30.0-wmf.12)), 10Patch-For-Review: Summarize what it will take to separate UI and infrastruc... - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T167908#3507949 [20:23:24] 10Scoring-platform-team, 10MediaWiki-extensions-ORES, 10MW-1.30-release-notes (WMF-deploy-2017-06-27_(1.30.0-wmf.7)), 10Patch-For-Review, and 2 others: [Discuss] Make ORES Review Tool preferences more prominent - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T167910#3507948 (10awight) [20:23:27] 10Scoring-platform-team-Backlog: [Epic] Coordinate ORES UI features between Scoring and Collab teams - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T172743#3507947 (10awight) [20:23:30] 10Scoring-platform-team, 10Edit-Review-Improvements-RC-Page, 10ORES, 10Collaboration-Team-Triage (Collab-Team-Q1-Jul-Sep-2017): Define a process for adding ORES filters to new wikis when ORES is enabled on those wikis - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T164331#3507950 (10awight) [20:24:01] 10Scoring-platform-team-Backlog: [Epic] Coordinate ORES UI features between Scoring and Collab teams - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T172743#3507900 (10awight) [20:24:07] 10Scoring-platform-team, 10MediaWiki-extensions-ORES, 10Collaboration-Team-Triage (Collab-Team-Q1-Jul-Sep-2017), 10MW-1.30-release-notes (WMF-deploy-2017-08-01_(1.30.0-wmf.12)), 10Patch-For-Review: Summarize what it will take to separate UI and infrastruc... - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T167908#3349228 [20:26:51] halfak: Zppix: I’ve only stubbed out T172225, but if you plan to do work on this I can write more of a description, assuming that would be helpful. [20:26:51] T172225: Progress indicator for editquality autolabel utility - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T172225 [20:29:14] :) It looks like a fun one to work on. We have a few utilities that could have a progress indicator. E.g. `extract` [20:29:36] ok for sure then. I’ll add some details. [20:30:14] brb need break [20:30:32] no, you must not! [20:30:33] :p [20:36:24] hmmm interesting [21:11:17] back [21:14:19] wb [21:15:57] 10Scoring-platform-team, 10draftquality-modeling, 10artificial-intelligence: Project around page reviewing and drafts - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T172726#3508184 (10Halfak) [21:39:07] halfak: JMatazzoni’s idea was good, that we migrate existing ORES preferences to become the user’s default RC Filters preset. [21:39:30] The devil seems to be in the details, though. Interactions between the prefs and the page are tricky. Prefs would probably override the page. [21:40:34] awight, I'm confused. What was the alternative? [22:04:37] 10Scoring-platform-team, 10Wikimania-Hackathon-2017: [Workshop] How can I get ORES for my wiki? - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T170015#3508277 (10awight) [22:10:25] OK I'm out of here. I have some miles to put on the bike :D [22:10:25] o/ [22:10:29] have a good night folks. [22:10:38] *or whatever timezone appropriate thing [22:56:00] 10Scoring-platform-team-Backlog: [Epic] Coordinate ORES UI features between Scoring and Collab teams - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T172743#3508377 (10awight) [22:57:53] 10Scoring-platform-team, 10Wikilabels: [Epic] Implement Wiki Labels as a fully featured tool in Labs - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T151121#3508379 (10awight) [22:58:24] 10Scoring-platform-team-Backlog, 10Wikilabels: [Spec] Implement admin actions for wikilabels - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T102335#3508381 (10awight) [22:58:24] 10Scoring-platform-team-Backlog: [Epic] Coordinate ORES UI features between Scoring and Collab teams - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T172743#3508380 (10awight) [23:38:21] 10Scoring-platform-team-Backlog: Progress indicator for editquality autolabel utility - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T172225#3508474 (10awight)