[06:54:00] PROBLEM - puppet on ORES-web01.Experimental is CRITICAL: CRITICAL: Puppet has 13 failures. Last run 34 seconds ago with 13 failures. Failed resources (up to 3 shown): Service[exim4],Package[ldap-utils],Package[libnss-ldap],Service[nscd] [07:34:05] PROBLEM - puppet on ORES-web01.Experimental is CRITICAL: CRITICAL: Puppet has 13 failures. Last run 11 minutes ago with 13 failures. Failed resources (up to 3 shown): Exec[install sudo-ldap],Package[ldap-utils],Package[libnss-ldap],Service[nscd] [08:14:05] PROBLEM - puppet on ORES-web01.Experimental is CRITICAL: CRITICAL: Puppet has 17 failures. Last run 20 minutes ago with 17 failures. Failed resources (up to 3 shown): Package[ntp],Service[systemd-timesyncd],Service[exim4],Package[update-manager-core] [08:23:44] RECOVERY - puppet on ORES-web01.Experimental is OK: OK: Puppet is currently enabled, last run 35 seconds ago with 0 failures [08:24:31] (03CR) 10Thiemo Kreuz (WMDE): [C: 032] "The test failure is a PHPCS failure in ORES. How did that happen? o_O?" [extensions/ORES] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/424254 (owner: 10Umherirrender) [08:32:52] (03CR) 10jerkins-bot: [V: 04-1] Fix parameter docs [extensions/ORES] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/424254 (owner: 10Umherirrender) [08:33:05] (03CR) 10Umherirrender: Fix parameter docs (031 comment) [extensions/ORES] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/424254 (owner: 10Umherirrender) [08:35:11] (03PS2) 10Umherirrender: Fix parameter docs [extensions/ORES] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/424254 [08:37:10] (03CR) 10Thiemo Kreuz (WMDE): [C: 032] Fix parameter docs (031 comment) [extensions/ORES] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/424254 (owner: 10Umherirrender) [08:42:24] (03CR) 10Umherirrender: Fix parameter docs (031 comment) [extensions/ORES] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/424254 (owner: 10Umherirrender) [08:48:37] (03Merged) 10jenkins-bot: Fix parameter docs [extensions/ORES] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/424254 (owner: 10Umherirrender) [09:02:21] (03CR) 10jenkins-bot: Fix parameter docs [extensions/ORES] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/424254 (owner: 10Umherirrender) [09:17:57] (03CR) 10jenkins-bot: Fix parameter docs [extensions/ORES] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/424254 (owner: 10Umherirrender) [11:50:11] o/ [11:50:58] Hey Amir1. Looks like the ORES ext had an issue. [11:51:04] Can you give me a quick summary? [11:52:27] halfak: hey, what issue you're talking about? [11:52:42] See wikibugs posts above. "The test failure is a PHPCS failure in ORES. How did that happen? o_O" [11:52:51] Looks like WMDE folks working on it :) [11:53:14] I figured you were involved [11:54:19] halfak: haha, PHPCS is linter for php, like flake8. It seems they changed some rules and tighten something up and forgot to fix violations [11:54:28] not a big deal happens all the time [11:54:52] Oh gotcha :) [13:01:23] I iz vandal: https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Q3907246&diff=prev&oldid=661958386 [13:01:29] :( [13:17:57] Hauskatze, not a vandal, but removing a sitelink "needs review". [13:18:10] I like to suggest that people think about the "damaging" model this way. [13:18:22] ok :) [13:18:32] https://ores.wikimedia.org/v3/scores/wikidatawiki/661958386 [13:18:56] You're actually less likely to be damaging than not, but it's close enough to flag the "maybe damaging?" level of review. [13:19:14] Very highly likely to be goodfaith :P [13:19:21] halfak: how do I use your article assessment [13:19:24] So definitely not a vandal -- maybe just making a mistake :D [13:19:30] Vermont, hey! [13:19:35] Hey halfak [13:19:38] Going well? [13:19:40] Are you wondering about the article quality prediction model? [13:19:42] yeah :) [13:19:56] I was wondering about that model, yes [13:20:02] Where would you like to use it? [13:20:41] Just wanting to see what it outputs for of my articles [13:20:48] *for one of [13:21:10] In enwiki? [13:21:13] Or maybe simplewiki? [13:21:18] Enwiki [13:21:27] Cool. get the rev_id from the most recent revision. [13:21:53] https://ores.wikimedia.org/v3/scores/enwiki/1234567/wp10 [13:22:01] Replace 1234567 with that rev_id [13:22:34] alright [13:22:59] https://ores.wikimedia.org/v3/scores/enwiki/834412829/wp10 [13:23:14] So the closer to 1 is more likely for that, yes? [13:23:59] Vermont, right. [13:24:11] So this article is like a C- [13:24:13] very good model [13:24:17] :D [13:24:49] I’m trying to get that article to B class. [13:24:54] * Vermont wants a B-class [13:25:17] ORES works very well, halfak. [13:25:19] ooh. I want to show you something fun that I'm writing about. [13:25:23] sure [13:25:37] Vermont, we can interrogate the model to find out what the article needs in order to get a B-class prediction. [13:25:43] Also I think you should campaign for a New Pages Feed sortable by ORES bad/good score [13:26:16] I have a task for that somewhere. [13:26:18] Halfak: Issue with that model is different WikiProjects have different scales. [13:26:24] I'd like to get the topic model deployed and then request both. [13:26:30] I’m using MilHist’s scale on this article [13:26:37] Vermont, in practice everyone does basically the same thing. [13:26:52] You’re right there [13:26:54] usually [13:26:59] Check this out: https://ores.wikimedia.org/v3/scores/enwiki/834412829/wp10?features [13:27:10] It shows some of the basic features that go into the model. [13:27:47] Wow [13:27:50] https://ores.wikimedia.org/v3/scores/enwiki/834412829/wp10?features&feature.wikitext.revision.chars=20000&feature.wikitext.revision.content_chars=10000 [13:28:11] With something like ^ you can ask ORES to make new predictions assuming that the article was longer [13:28:35] Ah [13:29:14] So it looks like doubling the length will help but not get you there. [13:29:26] Yeah. [13:29:44] All the ref tags have cite templates, so not much to add there. [13:29:45] But then again, this is ORES not a human. [13:30:07] Right. ORES is making a very mathematically complicated guess on very basic information. [13:30:14] yep [13:30:20] You'll notice there's no features for whether or not the article is written badly. [13:30:49] Isn’t there a good/bad prediction model somewhere? [13:30:59] The assumption is that writing quality is mostly constant and structural characteristics decide quality. It turns out that assumption holds with high consistency :) [13:31:05] Vermont, that's for edits. [13:31:09] It's called "damaging" [13:31:25] There's also a model called "goodfaith" that attempts to differentiate vandalism from intentional mistakes. [13:31:33] https://ores.wikimedia.org/v3/scores/enwiki/834412829/damaging [13:31:39] Last edit was not damaging :) [13:31:53] https://ores.wikimedia.org/v3/scores/enwiki/834412829/goodfaith [13:32:01] And it looks like it was saved in goodfaith [13:32:37] Ah. [13:32:42] Interesting models. [13:34:50] Those are the models that feed into the tools on Special:Recentchanges. [13:35:22] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:RecentChanges?hidebots=1&hidecategorization=1&hideWikibase=1&limit=500&days=7&enhanced=1&damaging__likelybad_color=c4&damaging__verylikelybad_color=c5&urlversion=2 [13:36:18] Ah. [14:25:40] Halfak [14:31:14] Talked to Vermont in PM :) [15:59:49] (03CR) 10Thcipriani: [C: 031] Try to switch to the dsh host manifest (031 comment) [services/ores/deploy] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/423752 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T191321) (owner: 10Awight) [16:05:58] OK here I go. [16:06:03] Have a good one folks! [20:33:02] 10Scoring-platform-team, 10ORES, 10Trending-Service, 10Services (watching): Trending API should consult ORES - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T145829#4113222 (10Mholloway) [20:36:11] 10Scoring-platform-team, 10ORES, 10Trending-Service, 10Services (watching): Trending API should consult ORES - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T145829#4113227 (10Pchelolo) Since we've undeployed the trending service, should we close this task @Jdlrobson ? [21:25:33] 10Scoring-platform-team, 10ORES, 10Trending-Service, 10Services (watching): Trending API should consult ORES - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T145829#4113360 (10Jdlrobson) Sure, but is there an open task relating to exposing ORES in the EventsStream? maybe T157132?