[07:37:53] hey jade folks, just to check: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T196547 does not imply page per autopatrolled revision, right? [09:04:50] 10Scoring-platform-team, 10ORES: Discuss whether we can have ORES provide explanations for its predictions - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T196475#4263333 (10awight) [10:46:47] 10Scoring-platform-team (Current), 10ORES, 10WikimediaUI Style Guide, 10Patch-For-Review, 10User-Ladsgroup: Give a new look to the home page - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T196580#4263558 (10Ladsgroup) [11:27:29] 10Scoring-platform-team (Current), 10JADE, 10Operations, 10TechCom, 10Services (watching): Deploy JADE extension to production - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T183381#4263654 (10mobrovac) [12:34:52] 10Scoring-platform-team, 10ORES, 10Wikidata, 10Wikidata.org: Sitelink removals on Wikidata caused by page deletion shouldn't have a negative effect - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T195040#4263784 (10Lydia_Pintscher) 05Open>03Resolved a:03Lydia_Pintscher Closing this then. We have T195701 for the... [13:32:27] 10Scoring-platform-team (Current), 10ORES, 10Collaboration-Team-Triage (Collab-Team-This-Quarter), 10Patch-For-Review: Deploy ORES advanced editquality models to arwiki - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T192498#4263914 (10awight) 05Open>03Resolved a:03awight @Catrope I think this is a good preceden... [13:35:00] 10Scoring-platform-team (Current), 10Research Ideas, 10artificial-intelligence: [Epic] Paid editing (COI) detection model - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T120170#1847096 (10DarTar) The title of this epic should be changed to reference //paid advocacy editing//, which is in infringement of [[ https://en.w... [13:35:32] 10Scoring-platform-team (Current), 10drafttopic-modeling: Checklist for drafttopic repo - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T189797#4263923 (10awight) 05Open>03Resolved [13:38:03] 10Scoring-platform-team (Current), 10editquality-modeling, 10User-Ladsgroup, 10artificial-intelligence: Deploy pilot edittype model - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T196634#4263928 (10awight) [13:38:57] 10Scoring-platform-team (Current), 10drafttopic-modeling: Rebuild drafttopic with corrected data - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T193834#4263961 (10awight) 05Open>03Resolved a:03awight [13:39:03] 10Scoring-platform-team (Current), 10Packaging, 10Epic: [Epic] Support word2vec for production ORES models - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T187217#4263964 (10awight) [13:39:05] 10Scoring-platform-team (Current), 10articlequality-modeling, 10draftquality-modeling, 10editquality-modeling, 10artificial-intelligence: Re-train models with revscoring 2.2.0 - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T188775#4263963 (10awight) 05Open>03Resolved [13:39:08] 10Scoring-platform-team (Current), 10drafttopic-modeling: Drafttopic breaks ?features parameter - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T194322#4263965 (10awight) 05Open>03Resolved [13:39:12] 10Scoring-platform-team (Current), 10ORES, 10drafttopic-modeling, 10Patch-For-Review, 10artificial-intelligence: Deploy drafttopic model to production ORES - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T176336#4263966 (10awight) [13:49:30] 10Scoring-platform-team (Current), 10Research Ideas, 10artificial-intelligence: [Epic] Paid editing (COI) detection model - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T120170#4264003 (10Tbayer) Although there is also the closely related issue of undisclosed paid editing, which is in infringement of [[https://wikimedi... [13:52:08] o/ [13:53:22] halfak: Hey, morning [13:53:50] Howdy! [13:54:02] Nice to see interest in promotional editing [13:54:10] We have a new ORES deployment ready for today. It's been sitting on beta. [13:54:14] :) [13:54:24] You might have noticed that I'm desperately procrastinating reviews :) [13:54:28] Happy to do the deployment [13:54:31] me too [13:54:47] great. It'll be easy. It's just a change to the ORES homepage [13:54:47] hehe you're welcome to your cookie then [13:54:53] kk [13:55:18] I'm almost done with CSCW stuff and budgeting stuff [13:55:59] Then I'll move onto reviews and making sure our contracting budget is set for Amir1 [13:56:30] And then maybe I can work on updating euwiki's wp10 model with new info and getting "nasism" badwords in enwiki. [13:57:35] Our window is in 3 hours fwiw [13:57:55] cool. [13:58:31] Arg right on top of the research group meeting :| [13:58:55] I was thinking of asking you to report on OpenSci and Data Justice there [13:58:55] More reason for me to do it [13:58:58] Maybe next week? [13:59:12] ah I'd rather get my notes into writing first [13:59:18] But it sounds great [13:59:50] I have a bunch of notes and have started trying to integrate into an updated understanding of our work, here: https://etherpad.wikimedia.org/p/JADE_data_justice_notes [14:00:30] Arg! We need to do reimbursements for barcelona too. [14:00:42] Gotta make sure that is all together before the end of the FY [14:05:50] Ack, same here. Good way to procrastinate [15:02:15] 10Scoring-platform-team (Current), 10Research Ideas, 10artificial-intelligence: [Epic] Paid editing (COI) detection model - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T120170#4264269 (10Halfak) @DarTar, from a modeling perspective, I don't think we care whether it is disclosed or not. The model should not stand in t... [15:02:46] hey jade folks, just to check: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T196547 does not imply page per autopatrolled revision, right? [15:02:51] now that there are folks around [15:03:01] I just burnt an hour looking up flights into Europe during the Aug. holiday season. Just shoot me. [15:03:26] apergos, that's right [15:03:42] only the "real" patrolled ones.. ok [15:03:42] We're targeting human judgment and automatic actions aren't that. [15:03:48] they sure aren't [15:03:51] thank you very much [15:04:01] Ultimately, it'll be up to the communities who use it. [15:04:14] But I'll actively discourage using JADE as an auto-generated tag repo. [15:04:48] I think we'll discourage them for reasons of it ain't gonna scale [15:04:53] right [16:35:42] 10Scoring-platform-team (Current), 10Research Ideas, 10artificial-intelligence: [Epic] Paid editing (COI) detection model - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T120170#4264716 (10DarTar) @halfak I see your point. I also feel this is going to be a much more delicate issue (compared to other applications of ORES... [16:37:31] I left some additional thoughs there, halfak. Just thinking aloud with some imperfect thoughts for now, given how sensitive this kind of classification would be when used in real-world applications. [16:37:46] halfak: deploy1001 has the new code queued up, but I'm going to try to take a bus before our window. May not kick off the deployment until 17:30 UTC or so. [16:41:47] rider that awight [16:42:17] DarTar, right. I think that is a good argument to avoid making the model specific to a bad thing. [16:42:36] And instead make it specific to a cautious situation (e.g. COI is not necessarily bad) [16:42:46] I think "Advocacy" might be what we ultimately model. [16:42:55] Or maybe POC [16:42:58] *POV [16:44:13] right. I think it’s useful to compare this to models such as reverted vs good-faith. I suspect the work on sockpuppet detection Srijan is leading will hit the same issues. [16:44:42] I appreciate these are just half baked thoughts, thinking aloud but I wanted to capture this somewhere. [16:48:35] Thank you for pushing on these thoughts :) [16:48:43] It'll be a good research paper some day [16:49:01] Maybe on April 1st, we can release an "asshole" model ;) [16:50:19] lol [16:51:18] halfak: check out this little video, which The Atlantic shared a few days ago https://twitter.com/ReaderMeter/status/1004698399231434752 [16:52:15] AHHH [16:52:17] No [16:52:23] Black mirror is not an instruction manual! [17:11:46] Deploying from phone... [17:21:48] Looks like this might not work today. [17:28:06] 10Scoring-platform-team (Current), 10ORES, 10Release-Engineering-Team, 10Scap: ORES deployments blocked by mysterious tin.eqiad.wmnet error - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T196663#4264985 (10awight) p:05Triage>03High [17:29:49] arg. [17:49:44] 10Scoring-platform-team (Current), 10ORES, 10Release-Engineering-Team, 10Scap: ORES deployments blocked by mysterious tin.eqiad.wmnet error - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T196663#4265139 (10thcipriani) p:05High>03Unbreak! This is due to running `git fetch` (without `--no-recurse-submodules`) in th... [18:02:51] 10Scoring-platform-team (Current), 10ORES, 10WMF-Design, 10WikimediaUI Style Guide, and 3 others: Give a new look to the home page - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T196580#4265220 (10Volker_E) [20:36:25] 10Scoring-platform-team, 10ORES, 10editquality-modeling, 10artificial-intelligence: arwiki goodfaith model is not usable - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T193905#4265724 (10Ghassanmas) Regarding expressing opinions it wasn't always the case that I would label it as a "bad faith damaging", since it's a c... [22:39:24] 10Scoring-platform-team (Current), 10ORES, 10Release-Engineering-Team, 10Scap: ORES deployments blocked by mysterious tin.eqiad.wmnet error - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T196663#4264985 (10mmodell) Can we manually fix this to unbreak prior to a new scap version release? [23:03:50] 10Scoring-platform-team (Current), 10ORES, 10Release-Engineering-Team, 10Scap: ORES deployments blocked by mysterious tin.eqiad.wmnet error - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T196663#4266179 (10thcipriani)