[01:53:45] <wikibugs>	 10Scoring-platform-team: Write annual plan proposal for Scoring Platform FY19 - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T183203 (10Harej) @halfak I think this can be marked as resolved?
[01:53:47] <wikibugs>	 10Scoring-platform-team: Write annual plan proposal for Scoring Platform FY19 - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T183203 (10Harej) @halfak I think this can be marked as resolved?
[01:57:25] <wikibugs>	 10Scoring-platform-team, 10JADE: Handle Jade edit conflicts - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T198691 (10Harej) Out of curiosity, why is this low priority?
[01:57:27] <wikibugs>	 10Scoring-platform-team, 10JADE: Handle Jade edit conflicts - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T198691 (10Harej) Out of curiosity, why is this low priority?
[02:22:30] <harej>	 Also, for when halfak returns, what is the value of having a team board (that isn't a sprint or similar) when there are also product/feature-specific boards and the team board explicitly asks to add to both? Seems like busywork.
[02:23:26] <harej>	 And usually, in Phabricator if you have a sub-project and a task is sorted into the sub-project, association with the parent project is automatically assumed. (The software even enforces this where sub-project relationships are defined.)
[02:34:51] <wikibugs>	 10Scoring-platform-team, 10JADE: JADE: UI/API for reviewing/refuting how ORES classifies you and your stuff - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T148700 (10Harej) p:05Low>03Normal
[02:34:59] <wikibugs>	 10Scoring-platform-team, 10JADE: JADE: UI/API for reviewing/refuting how ORES classifies you and your stuff - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T148700 (10Harej) p:05Low>03Normal
[02:36:06] <wikibugs>	 10Scoring-platform-team, 10JADE: JADE: UI/API for reviewing/refuting how ORES classifies you and your stuff - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T148700 (10Harej) When will this task be considered done? How does it relate in scope to T183381?
[02:36:11] <wikibugs>	 10Scoring-platform-team, 10JADE: JADE: UI/API for reviewing/refuting how ORES classifies you and your stuff - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T148700 (10Harej) When will this task be considered done? How does it relate in scope to T183381?
[02:36:56] <wikibugs>	 10Scoring-platform-team, 10JADE, 10ORES: [Spec] ORES query results should include JADE refutations - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T153143 (10Harej)
[02:37:01] <wikibugs>	 10Scoring-platform-team, 10JADE, 10ORES: [Spec] ORES query results should include JADE refutations - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T153143 (10Harej)
[02:38:20] <wikibugs>	 10Scoring-platform-team, 10JADE: JADE: UI  - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T153148 (10Harej)
[02:38:23] <wikibugs>	 10Scoring-platform-team, 10JADE: JADE: UI  - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T153148 (10Harej)
[02:38:46] <wikibugs>	 10Scoring-platform-team, 10JADE, 10Wikilabels: [Discuss] Could Wiki Labels backend be replaced with JADE? - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T153150 (10Harej)
[02:38:48] <wikibugs>	 10Scoring-platform-team, 10JADE, 10Wikilabels: [Discuss] Could Wiki Labels backend be replaced with JADE? - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T153150 (10Harej)
[02:39:23] <wikibugs>	 10Scoring-platform-team, 10JADE, 10Wikilabels: [Discuss] Could Wiki Labels backend be replaced with JADE? - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T153150 (10Harej) Discussed with @awight briefly and while it would be nice to have, it's not urgent.
[02:39:26] <wikibugs>	 10Scoring-platform-team, 10JADE, 10Wikilabels: [Discuss] Could Wiki Labels backend be replaced with JADE? - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T153150 (10Harej) Discussed with @awight briefly and while it would be nice to have, it's not urgent.
[02:51:10] <wikibugs>	 10Scoring-platform-team (Current), 10JADE, 10WMF-Communications: Blog about JADE - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T183200 (10Harej) Marking task as blocked on feedback from Comms.
[02:51:12] <wikibugs>	 10Scoring-platform-team (Current), 10JADE, 10WMF-Communications: Blog about JADE - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T183200 (10Harej) Marking task as blocked on feedback from Comms.
[02:51:49] <wikibugs>	 10Scoring-platform-team, 10JADE: JADE: Link from scored edit to this tool feedback interface - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T153157 (10Harej)
[02:52:00] <wikibugs>	 10Scoring-platform-team, 10JADE: JADE: Link from scored edit to this tool feedback interface - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T153157 (10Harej)
[03:01:08] <wikibugs>	 10Scoring-platform-team, 10JADE, 10ORES: Spike: Design how JADE feedback plugs back into the ORES models - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T153162 (10Harej)
[03:01:10] <wikibugs>	 10Scoring-platform-team, 10JADE, 10ORES: Spike: Design how JADE feedback plugs back into the ORES models - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T153162 (10Harej)
[03:10:32] <wikibugs>	 10Scoring-platform-team (Current), 10JADE, 10Epic: [Epic] Post about JADE design considerations - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T179393 (10Harej) All subtasks are closed. Should this be closed as well? What's the difference between this and T183200?
[03:10:33] <wikibugs>	 10Scoring-platform-team (Current), 10JADE, 10Epic: [Epic] Post about JADE design considerations - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T179393 (10Harej) All subtasks are closed. Should this be closed as well? What's the difference between this and T183200?
[03:16:40] <wikibugs>	 10Scoring-platform-team, 10JADE, 10Design: Discuss and create a UI mockup for the JADE editor interface - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T168993 (10Harej) This task assumes the existence of a canonical/reference UI for JADE. I am not sure there is agreement there should be one.
[03:16:46] <wikibugs>	 10Scoring-platform-team, 10JADE, 10Design: Discuss and create a UI mockup for the JADE editor interface - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T168993 (10Harej) This task assumes the existence of a canonical/reference UI for JADE. I am not sure there is agreement there should be one.
[03:17:44] <wikibugs>	 10Scoring-platform-team, 10JADE, 10Design: Discuss and create a UI mockup for the JADE editor interface - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T168993 (10Harej) I also think this is a duplicate of T153148 but wanted to check in before merging.
[03:17:47] <wikibugs>	 10Scoring-platform-team, 10JADE, 10Design: Discuss and create a UI mockup for the JADE editor interface - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T168993 (10Harej) I also think this is a duplicate of T153148 but wanted to check in before merging.
[13:46:24] <harej>	 o/ aiteam
[14:24:08] <icinga2-wm>	 PROBLEM - puppet on ORES-worker06.experimental is CRITICAL: CRITICAL: Catalog fetch fail. Either compilation failed or puppetmaster has issues
[14:26:08] <icinga2-wm>	 PROBLEM - puppet on ORES-web01.Experimental is CRITICAL: CRITICAL: Catalog fetch fail. Either compilation failed or puppetmaster has issues
[14:29:05] <icinga2-wm>	 PROBLEM - puppet on ORES-worker01.experimental is CRITICAL: CRITICAL: Catalog fetch fail. Either compilation failed or puppetmaster has issues
[14:33:54] <icinga2-wm>	 PROBLEM - puppet on ORES-worker04.experimental is CRITICAL: CRITICAL: Catalog fetch fail. Either compilation failed or puppetmaster has issues
[14:33:56] <icinga2-wm>	 PROBLEM - puppet on ORES-worker03.experimental is CRITICAL: CRITICAL: Catalog fetch fail. Either compilation failed or puppetmaster has issues
[14:52:08] <icinga2-wm>	 RECOVERY - puppet on ORES-worker06.experimental is OK: OK: Puppet is currently enabled, last run 1 minute ago with 0 failures
[14:54:08] <icinga2-wm>	 RECOVERY - puppet on ORES-web01.Experimental is OK: OK: Puppet is currently enabled, last run 1 minute ago with 0 failures
[14:57:05] <icinga2-wm>	 RECOVERY - puppet on ORES-worker01.experimental is OK: OK: Puppet is currently enabled, last run 1 minute ago with 0 failures
[15:00:00] <halfak>	 o/
[15:01:54] <icinga2-wm>	 RECOVERY - puppet on ORES-worker04.experimental is OK: OK: Puppet is currently enabled, last run 1 minute ago with 0 failures
[15:01:56] <icinga2-wm>	 RECOVERY - puppet on ORES-worker03.experimental is OK: OK: Puppet is currently enabled, last run 50 seconds ago with 0 failures
[15:07:44] <halfak>	 Hmm
[15:07:50] <halfak>	 What's all this then?
[15:09:14] <halfak>	 harej, good morning!  
[15:24:26] <wikibugs>	 10Scoring-platform-team (Current), 10Wikilabels, 10User-Ladsgroup: Add unique contributors to the campaign progress page - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T139958 (10Halfak)
[15:32:24] <wikibugs>	 10Scoring-platform-team: Write annual plan proposal for Scoring Platform FY19 - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T183203 (10Halfak) https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Scoring_Platform_team/FY2019
[15:32:37] <wikibugs>	 10Scoring-platform-team (Current): Write annual plan proposal for Scoring Platform FY19 - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T183203 (10Halfak)
[15:36:36] <wikibugs>	 10Scoring-platform-team, 10JADE: JADE: UI/API for reviewing/refuting how ORES classifies you and your stuff - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T148700 (10Halfak) This task is intended to collect all sub-tasks related to getting JADE online and predates the #JADE project tag.  We could maybe discard it now.
[15:37:26] <wikibugs>	 10Scoring-platform-team (Current), 10JADE, 10Epic: [Epic] Post about JADE design considerations - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T179393 (10Halfak) 05Open>03Resolved Confirmed
[15:38:58] <wikibugs>	 10Scoring-platform-team, 10JADE, 10Design: Discuss and create a UI mockup for the JADE editor interface - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T168993 (10Halfak) Seems like designing a mockup != making a working UI
[15:47:51] <harej>	 halfak: I started going through the JADE tickets and organizing them. Will do more organizing work when awight returns. But it looks like early on there was this idea that JADE would ship with a UI. Am I correct in believing we’ve since moved away from that?
[15:48:14] <halfak>	 I think MediaWiki became the UI
[15:54:16] <harej>	 But are there any plans to extend the UI of MediaWiki to accommodate JADE, or will Jade pages be treated as pages like the rest of them with no UI flairs?
[16:02:20] <halfak>	 there are plans.  Prateek is working on user-testable UI and some user testing. 
[16:02:27] <halfak>	 harej, ^ 
[16:02:44] <halfak>	 But it is pretty minimal.  E.g. showing JADE judgements in diff pages. 
[16:02:56] <halfak>	 And allowing people to edit them in a structured UI; 
[16:03:04] <halfak>	 Kind of like wikidata/wikibase. 
[16:05:39] <wikibugs>	 10Scoring-platform-team, 10JADE: JADE: UI/API for reviewing/refuting how ORES classifies you and your stuff - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T148700 (10Harej) 05Open>03Invalid
[16:10:57] <harej>	 Also, how long have we been working on JADE? How "complete" is it, relative to the original vision?
[16:12:38] <harej>	 (As opposed to "relative to what should be shipped," which ideally is something smaller.)
[16:13:49] <halfak>	 harej, MVP would be the working MediaWiki extension that is available in the beta cluster now.  
[16:14:25] <halfak>	 We have no wrapper developed (not even partially) -- just Prateek's clickable mockups for user testing
[16:14:44] <halfak>	 In a way, that mockup is helping us think through some issues we have with schema structure and complexity. 
[16:14:47] <wikibugs>	 10Scoring-platform-team, 10JADE, 10Design: Discuss and create a UI mockup for the JADE editor interface - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T168993 (10Harej) That's certainly true.
[16:15:02] <halfak>	 But I don't think we need to wait on it to deploy. 
[16:34:37] <halfak>	 EMAIL COMPLETE!
[16:34:38] <halfak>	 Lunch!
[16:57:23] <wikibugs>	 (03PS1) 10Sbisson: Introducing QueryHelper [extensions/ORES] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/444252 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T198748)
[17:00:25] <wikibugs>	 (03CR) 10jerkins-bot: [V: 04-1] Introducing QueryHelper [extensions/ORES] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/444252 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T198748) (owner: 10Sbisson)
[17:07:08] <wikibugs>	 (03PS2) 10Sbisson: Introducing QueryHelper [extensions/ORES] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/444252 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T198748)
[17:53:41] <halfak>	 Internet is down.  Back via my phone
[17:55:08] <halfak>	 harej, was just looking to give you some rights in this channel and I see your nick isn't registered. 
[17:55:16] <halfak>	 Want some help getting registered and cloaked?
[17:55:16] <harej>	 yes it is
[17:55:33] <harej>	 i've been registered since 2005...
[17:55:43] <halfak>	 Not according to chanserv
[17:55:48] <halfak>	 Oh wait
[17:55:52] <halfak>	 nevermind. 
[17:56:00] <halfak>	 "Channel harej is not registered."
[17:56:06] <halfak>	 "Channel"
[17:56:08] <harej>	 I'm not a channel, I'm a human being!
[17:56:11] <halfak>	 lol
[17:56:49] <halfak>	 \o/
[18:06:20] <wikibugs>	 10Scoring-platform-team, 10Release-Engineering-Team (Watching / External): Another round of discussion about wiki-ai's GitHub->gerrit mirroring - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T194212 (10greg) >>! In T194212#4302092, @awight wrote: > Hehe, I see you've upped the ante. >  > Well, we can't get a much lower v...
[18:46:13] <halfak>	 Switching to wifi again 
[18:46:14] <halfak>	 brb
[18:50:34] <wikibugs>	 10Scoring-platform-team, 10ORES, 10Performance, 10Release-Engineering-Team (Next): Try to increase ORES deployment parallelism - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T197180 (10greg)
[19:24:14] <halfak>	 aha!  It works
[19:55:53] <halfak>	 o/ Amir1 
[20:01:28] <Amir1>	 halfak: hey, I'm afk for the summer strategic thingy
[20:01:54] <halfak>	 Oh!  Gotcha.  I thought something was going on today but I wasn't sure since there's nothing on the calendar. 
[20:09:28] <wikibugs>	 10Scoring-platform-team, 10Operations, 10Release-Engineering-Team, 10Scap: Deployment git server can't supply ORES hosts in parallel - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T191842 (10greg) I think to do much on this we'll need some performance numbers.  Also, if this isn't 100% addressed by git-lfs reducing t...
[20:09:41] <kostajh>	 is it possible to use wp10 and draftquality models with testwiki?
[20:14:52] <halfak>	 kostajh, good Q.  Let me check something. 
[20:15:17] <halfak>	 https://ores.wikimedia.org/v3/scores/testwiki 
[20:15:29] <halfak>	 it looks like we don't have them available yet.  But we could make them available. 
[20:15:46] <halfak>	 In the meantime, you could just use the enwiki models for testing. 
[20:16:34] <halfak>	 kostajh, one more Q -- would you be OK with getting nonsense (but well formed) results back for testwiki or are you hoping the models will actually make predictions there. 
[20:16:57] <halfak>	 E.g. the "damaging", "reverted", and "goodfaith" models return nonsense, but well-formed predictions. 
[20:17:04] <kostajh>	 halfak: thanks. For context, I'd like to use extensions/ORES/maintenance/PopulateDatabase.php so I can test some things out in my vagrant environment
[20:17:36] <kostajh>	 halfak: hmm, I think nonsense would be better than nothing, but would be ideal if we had real predictions
[20:18:24] <halfak>	 kostajh, hmm... I guess it's possible we could just set up the enwiki models to point there. 
[20:18:36] <halfak>	 Would you make a task in phabricator for what you're looking for? 
[20:18:42] <halfak>	 I'll start looking into what it would take. 
[20:19:19] <kostajh>	 halfak: yes, sounds good, if I don't do it this afternoon I'll get to it on Monday
[20:19:41] <kostajh>	 thanks!
[20:23:37] <halfak>	 No problem.  FWIW, it looks like we can get two birds with one stone for addressing this :) 
[20:39:11] <wikibugs>	 10Scoring-platform-team, 10ORES: Enable wp10 and draftquality models for testwiki - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T198997 (10kostajh)
[20:59:56] <wikibugs>	 (03CR) 10jenkins-bot: Localisation updates from https://translatewiki.net. [extensions/JADE] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/444297 (owner: 10L10n-bot)
[21:58:02] <wikibugs>	 10Scoring-platform-team, 10ORES: Rename wp10 ORES model - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T196240 (10Halfak) I've implemented aliases in https://github.com/wiki-ai/ores/pull/256
[21:58:35] <halfak>	 OK that's good enough for today.  Have a good weekend, folks!
[21:59:04] <halfak>	 I'll likely be online tomorrow around 2200 UTC to do some writing for the ORES paper. 
[21:59:05] <halfak>	 o/
[21:59:45] <halfak>	 kostajh, ^ relevant to what you were looking for :) 
[22:00:05] <halfak>	 https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T196240
[22:00:32] <halfak>	 That change will let us simply *enable* the enwiki models for testwiki without incurring duplicate resource usage :) 
[22:00:45] <travis-ci>	 wiki-ai/ores#960 (model_reuse - 62678fa : halfak): The build passed. https://travis-ci.org/wiki-ai/ores/builds/401073967
[22:09:30] <harej>	 kostajh: are you working on ORES integration for the collaboration/growth team?
[23:21:49] <wikibugs>	 10Scoring-platform-team, 10Edit-Review-Improvements-RC-Page, 10Growth-Team, 10MediaWiki-extensions-ORES, and 2 others: Very long search times on RC Page for "Very likely good faith" + "Likely have problems" (on en.wiki only?) - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T164796 (10Etonkovidova) Re-checked the issue...