[10:27:09] 10Scoring-platform-team (Current), 10DBA, 10JADE, 10Operations, 10User-Joe: Extension:JADE scalability concerns due to creating a page per revision - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T196547 (10jcrespo) I think the proposed plan ha deep architecture problems at storage layer, so we should discuss in dep... [10:44:41] 10Scoring-platform-team (Current), 10ORES, 10Wikidata, 10User-Ladsgroup: new ORES labeling campaign for Wikidata - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T195701 (10Ladsgroup) Giving the *is bot/was bot* take precedence seems the best approach to me. Will make a patch. [10:59:32] 10Scoring-platform-team (Current), 10ORES, 10Wikidata, 10User-Ladsgroup: new ORES labeling campaign for Wikidata - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T195701 (10Ladsgroup) https://github.com/wiki-ai/editquality/pull/165 [11:01:09] wiki-ai/editquality#351 (trusted_groups - 51d3a62 : Amir Sarabadani): The build passed. https://travis-ci.org/wiki-ai/editquality/builds/402606533 [14:18:59] halfak: o/ [14:19:07] o/ codezee! [14:19:14] I made a bunch of edits a couple hours ago [14:19:25] I think the paper is in a good state. [14:19:34] I noted the test run you finished yesterday. [14:19:38] oh, ok, i'll look through it then submit one version before hand and continue utpo the deadline ;) [15:25:54] (03PS3) 10Sbisson: Introducing QueryHelper [extensions/ORES] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/444252 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T198748) [15:26:17] (03PS4) 10Sbisson: Introducing QueryHelper [extensions/ORES] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/444252 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T198748) [15:31:44] (03PS5) 10Sbisson: Introducing QueryHelper [extensions/ORES] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/444252 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T198748) [15:47:33] 10Scoring-platform-team, 10Toolforge, 10Wikilabels, 10cloud-services-team (Kanban): Move toolsdb and wikilabels cluster servers for datacenter reconfiguration - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T197245 (10Bstorm) This is done. [15:47:46] 10Scoring-platform-team, 10Toolforge, 10Wikilabels, 10cloud-services-team (Kanban): Move toolsdb and wikilabels cluster servers for datacenter reconfiguration - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T197245 (10Bstorm) 05Open>03Resolved [16:05:49] harej, notconfusing! Staff meeting [16:05:52] Maybe awight too? [16:06:04] halfak: I have something called a cultural orientation right now [16:06:20] oh. godspeed. [16:06:29] oho! [16:06:35] * awight rushes to book a room [16:19:38] harej, are you going to Wikimania? [16:20:04] Yes [16:55:37] harej: We made a pseudorandom guess that you'll be AFK July 16-24 for Wikimania? [17:04:26] halfak: bs meeting? [18:09:58] 10Scoring-platform-team, 10Growth-Team (Current Sprint), 10Patch-For-Review: Enable srwiki edit quality filters in RecentChanges - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T197012 (10MMiller_WMF) 05Open>03Resolved I just wanted to post on this task to clarify its status. Given that the Growth team has enabled... [18:18:40] 10Scoring-platform-team, 10Growth-Team (Current Sprint): Investigate srwiki goodfaith model, why is it so bad? - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T199355 (10awight) [18:26:55] 10Scoring-platform-team, 10Growth-Team (Current Sprint), 10Patch-For-Review: Enable srwiki edit quality filters in RecentChanges - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T197012 (10MMiller_WMF) @awight created T199355 to look into the model itself. Thanks! [19:20:10] * halfak thanks awight for his phab activities. [19:20:25] I wish phab had a "thank" feature. [19:24:03] hehe. my current crusade: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T58849 [19:26:39] (03PS6) 10Sbisson: Introducing QueryHelper [extensions/ORES] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/444252 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T198748) [19:29:40] (03CR) 10jerkins-bot: [V: 04-1] Introducing QueryHelper [extensions/ORES] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/444252 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T198748) (owner: 10Sbisson) [19:30:08] BTW, awight, I have notconfusing looking into quant methods for looking for BS in training sets. [19:30:19] I think that might be helpful for looking at the srwiki goodfaith model. [19:30:21] And arwiki. [19:30:38] (03PS7) 10Sbisson: Introducing QueryHelper [extensions/ORES] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/444252 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T198748) [19:32:15] halfak: for sure. Is there a Phabricator task yet? [19:32:22] just to play along at home... [19:55:29] (03CR) 10Awight: Introducing QueryHelper (036 comments) [extensions/ORES] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/444252 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T198748) (owner: 10Sbisson) [20:00:44] awight, I think that notconfusing has been posting notes in one. I don't think there is one for the srwiki model specifically unless you have created it. [20:01:12] https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T198144 [20:02:05] whoa, even comes with a conclusion! [20:02:25] Right? Hitting a home run with this guy :D [20:21:01] 10Scoring-platform-team, 10Wikilabels, 10artificial-intelligence: Implement a modeling self-check process - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T198144 (10awight) @notconfusing Great results so far! I've been pretty distant from the investigations into bad models so far, but have a few random thoughts: * Reve... [20:25:26] (03PS8) 10Sbisson: Introducing QueryHelper [extensions/ORES] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/444252 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T198748) [20:25:51] (03CR) 10Sbisson: Introducing QueryHelper (036 comments) [extensions/ORES] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/444252 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T198748) (owner: 10Sbisson) [20:27:31] (03PS9) 10Sbisson: Introducing QueryHelper [extensions/ORES] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/444252 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T198748) [20:34:03] (03CR) 10Awight: [C: 031] "It looks good, I'll leave the final CR+2 for ladsgroup though, since he was involved in the initial discussion about these queries. Thank" (031 comment) [extensions/ORES] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/444252 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T198748) (owner: 10Sbisson) [21:00:02] (03CR) 10jenkins-bot: Localisation updates from https://translatewiki.net. [extensions/JADE] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/445276 (owner: 10L10n-bot) [21:58:57] halfak: A bit late for this observation, but I'm wondering how we'll accomplish the JOIN to get judgment data for each revision in a page history view. [21:59:24] Without a separate index, I don't think there's a good way to do this. [21:59:25] awight, I leave that up to downstream tools. [21:59:32] I don't think we should do that in mediawiki. [22:00:26] The only place I think this could be appropriate is for listing out the subset of revisions that have judgments on a history page. [22:00:37] In that case, we'll already have a set of revision IDs that will match exact titles. [22:01:19] Yes, that's the case I'm worried about. [22:01:55] Constructing exact titles and checking for existence and content is terribly inefficient, and can't be done in pure SQL. [22:02:34] 50 exact titles? [22:02:35] I think the MediaWiki DB is the only place we could supply an index to make this easier. [22:02:41] yah [22:02:47] The titles are already indexed [22:02:57] We'd have a set of 50 to check against the index. [22:03:06] that's either 50 queries, or a gruesome IN query [22:03:25] I don't think 50 titles is gruesome. [22:03:39] The view history page can go up to 500 revisions... [22:03:47] It can, but that is uncommon. [22:03:57] Also, looking at the history page should be uncommon. [22:04:29] I wonder if the history page is even cacheable... [22:05:46] Does seem to be cached, happily. [22:09:02] lol, I can't find a limit on the "limit" param [22:09:19] Instant DoS: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Barack_Obama&offset=&limit=10000&action=history [22:09:32] Anyway, I'll just file this as a potential concern [22:09:48] Won't panic until we've confirmed the use case through user testing. [22:10:02] (okay I found an empirical limit of 5,000 revisions) [22:10:30] * awight roasts marshmallows over the API server [22:17:56] i want to work with prime numbers but it is more difficult that i first thought [22:18:04] halfak: I'm just doing cleanup of some old TODOs so feel free to mute. [22:18:14] xenial-user: yes, that could take an unbounded amount of time [22:19:30] awight i was working on an algorithm for the decomposition of numbers to figure it out if it is prime [22:20:24] xenial-user: Sorry to joke about this, it sounds serious. But perhaps off-topic for this chat room? [22:20:46] yea I suppose so [22:21:20] well my idea is to create an aid for me in maths something like siri but with capabilities like matlab [22:21:36] hope this is the right chat for it [22:22:22] No, check out "/topic" [22:22:28] It sounds like a fun project, though! [22:22:46] ok thank you [22:26:40] 10Scoring-platform-team, 10Growth-Team (Current Sprint): Enable srwiki edit quality filters in RecentChanges - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T197012 (10Petar.petkovic) [22:26:54] 10Scoring-platform-team, 10JADE: Surface JADE validation errors - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T197653 (10awight) Looks like we can override `Content::prepareSave` and return a Status::newFatal with a more specific error string. [22:29:50] halfak: What's the plan for finding hooman a task, btw? [22:32:45] Oh! The PropertySuggestion API for itemquality... [22:32:47] sec. [22:34:17] Only asking cos I see his weekly task is "Get a task!" :) [22:34:58] https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T158430 [22:37:04] I pasted it into the current work doc in order to feel like I've done something [22:43:32] G'argh. Okay I'm going to pace around the office, then try to summarize the arguments about JADE scalability. [22:44:54] is Amir1 around? [22:54:48] Hauskatze: not until next week [22:54:54] Anything I might be able to help with? [22:55:07] awight: it was a code of conduct question :) [22:55:27] 10Scoring-platform-team, 10Growth-Team (Current Sprint): Investigate srwiki goodfaith model, why is it so bad? - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T199355 (10Acamicamacaraca) Support from me. One question, if we start training new model, will ORES still be in RC? [22:55:29] perhaps not the right channel but I just found him here and decided to ask [22:55:42] nothing serious, just a procedural question; can wait [23:01:56] Hauskatze: ok, cool [23:02:58] 10Scoring-platform-team, 10Growth-Team (Current Sprint): Investigate srwiki goodfaith model, why is it so bad? - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T199355 (10awight) >>! In T199355#4417907, @Acamicamacaraca wrote: > One question, if we start training new model, will ORES still be in RC? Yes, a new labeling ca... [23:15:50] (03Abandoned) 10Awight: Update schema URLs in test fixtures [extensions/JADE] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/419345 (owner: 10Awight)