[00:07:53] 10Scoring-platform-team (Current), 10DBA, 10JADE, 10Operations, 10TechCom-RFC: Introduce a new namespace for collaborative judgments about wiki entities - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T200297 (10awight) Thank you for the electrifying IRC meeting today! I owe a few actionables to the group, includin... [00:12:59] 10Scoring-platform-team (Current), 10DBA, 10JADE, 10Operations, 10User-Joe: Write our anticipated "phase two" schemas and submit for review - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T202596 (10awight) p:05Triage>03Normal [00:17:00] 10Scoring-platform-team (Current), 10DBA, 10JADE, 10Operations, 10TechCom-RFC: Introduce a new namespace for collaborative judgments about wiki entities - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T200297 (10awight) Part of completing these schemas will be to look at what MCR can do for the schema. It already s... [01:01:06] 10Scoring-platform-team (Current), 10User-Ladsgroup: Migrate models to LFS - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T197097 (10awight) Something for the documentation—I got the same "smudge" error as you reported earlier, but a different repo and object. A `git submodule sync` seems to have solved everything in my... [01:49:34] harej: Great letter! [01:51:47] I'm taking the dog for a walk... Reopening the question of judgment page scope and MCR, and there are interesting possibilities I hadn't taken seriously due to MCR being immature. [01:51:53] https://www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=Topic:Ujbowesg3ai2td15&topic_showPostId=ujc1djzceg1vmqb9#flow-post-ujc1djzceg1vmqb9 if you're interested [01:53:20] tl;dr, slots would give us a way to normalize down to lists of homogeneous judgments in one schema, but retaining the single talk page per entity. [02:04:19] here's a thought, for entities where MCR is unintuitive... [02:04:52] page-level judgments and user-level judgments, easy. revisions and diffs can ultimately be tied back to pages. log actions can ultimately be tied back to users and affected {users, pages} [02:05:17] all entities can be traced back to an existing page, somehow [02:05:42] ah fwiw what I'm talking about is different from daniel's suggestion [02:06:49] But I actually really like the idea of using MCR for page and user, and wish that other entities had a natural path, already. It seems like MediaWiki *should* have Diff:123 [02:07:23] ?action=jade&diff=123456 [02:07:26] * harej is spitballing [02:07:41] The "ancestor" approach sounds reasonable, as long as the lookup makes sense to clients [02:08:29] Maybe a client wants to get info about a user anyway, including the history of judgments about their actions. [02:09:54] and we already established that judgments related to a page in some way should probably be reflected in RCP and watchlist-style interfaces. [02:13:52] "give me the admin action concerning User:Harej" [02:14:01] "give me the admin action concerning User:Harej and the page [[Barack Obama]]" [02:14:01] 10[6] 04https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Barack_Obama [02:14:16] "give me the admin action concerning User:Harej and the page Barack Obama on January 20, 2009" [02:14:20] (i locked the page) [02:15:01] We have indexes to accomplish that kind of thing, either way I suppose. [02:16:33] And you could associate a judgment with me as an admin or Barack Obama as a page. [02:17:16] (What, actually, is the story for judging admin actions?) [02:22:33] there's no clear plan yet, it's just something we hold up as a holy grail :D [02:23:11] the idea AIUI is that, ORES should eventually be useful for predicting when an admin has gone postal or otherwise predicting things about their actions. [02:23:23] Therefore, JADE should let humans have a say, too. [02:23:53] It might even become useful as a watering hole for interpretation and challenges [02:27:35] * awight really, actually walks. [09:22:25] 10Scoring-platform-team (Current), 10Patch-For-Review, 10Release-Engineering-Team (Watching / External), 10User-Ladsgroup: Another round of discussion about wiki-ai's GitHub->gerrit mirroring - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T194212 (10Nikerabbit) [09:24:42] 10Scoring-platform-team (Current), 10Patch-For-Review, 10Release-Engineering-Team (Watching / External), 10User-Ladsgroup: Another round of discussion about wiki-ai's GitHub->gerrit mirroring - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T194212 (10Nikerabbit) [14:29:22] 10Scoring-platform-team (Current), 10ORES: Migrate gadgets that use ores labs instance to prod - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T202630 (10Ladsgroup) [14:32:05] 10Scoring-platform-team (Current), 10ORES: Migrate gadgets that use ores labs instance to prod - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T202630 (10Ladsgroup) Persian Wikipedia part is fixed, @Halfak can fix most of his gadgets. Let me search for an admin in Arabic Wikipedia. [15:00:35] 10Scoring-platform-team (Current), 10ORES: Migrate gadgets that use ores labs instance to prod - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T202630 (10Bencemac) @alanajjar Please take a look. [15:06:34] 10Scoring-platform-team (Current), 10ORES: Migrate gadgets that use ores labs instance to prod - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T202630 (10MarcoAurelio) Meta-Wiki pages fixed. [15:45:47] afk for lunch, will be back soon [16:04:26] 10Scoring-platform-team (Current), 10ORES: Migrate gadgets that use ores labs instance to prod - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T202630 (10He7d3r) Also fixed at [[https://github.com/he7d3r/mw-gadget-TopRevisionsByScore/commit/5a7b67607ff21547f234d983b2730afbfa291c98#diff-119ea4c4c15b2c6484f2ae9bd249044d|htt... [16:13:21] 10Scoring-platform-team (Current), 10ORES: Migrate gadgets that use ores labs instance to prod - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T202630 (10MarcoAurelio) >>! In T202630#4527233, @He7d3r wrote: > Also fixed at [[https://github.com/he7d3r/mw-gadget-TopRevisionsByScore/commit/5a7b67607ff21547f234d983b2730afbfa2... [18:02:53] 10Scoring-platform-team (Current), 10ORES, 10User-Ladsgroup: Migrate useages of ores.wmflabs.org to production - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T202653 (10Ladsgroup) [18:03:11] 10Scoring-platform-team (Current), 10ORES, 10User-Ladsgroup: Migrate useages of ores.wmflabs.org to production - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T202653 (10Ladsgroup) [18:03:13] 10Scoring-platform-team (Current), 10ORES: Migrate gadgets that use ores labs instance to prod - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T202630 (10Ladsgroup) [18:04:50] 10Scoring-platform-team (Current), 10ORES, 10Patch-For-Review, 10User-Ladsgroup: Migrate usages of ores.wmflabs.org to production - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T202653 (10He7d3r) [18:18:31] 10Scoring-platform-team (Current), 10ORES, 10User-Ladsgroup: Investigate usages of ores in labs - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T202655 (10Ladsgroup) [18:19:34] ? [18:19:41] anyone around? [18:21:48] holla [18:26:28] hola! awight can you take a look at the ores PR? [18:28:41] sure thing [18:33:26] FYI, we may have lost the IRC notifications for GitHub [18:33:41] Strange cos I thought those were specified per-repo. [18:34:15] awight: IRC notification support has been dropped from github [18:34:20] a while ago AFAIK [18:35:47] https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T181894 [18:36:02] https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T194070 [18:37:52] fun facts: 1- precaching has been broken in labs for a very very long time 2- A user is hammering our labs infra by sending 200K req/day [18:37:54] I thought they just changed the integration style [18:51:46] 10Scoring-platform-team (Current), 10ORES, 10User-Ladsgroup: Investigate usages of ores in labs - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T202655 (10Bstorm) ``` grep ores access.log | awk '{print $2}' | sort | uniq -c ``` on the proxy level made two IPs REALLY stand out. ``` 41008 128.237.160.139 46542 98.11... [18:53:59] gotta run for ~2hr [21:16:07] back [22:22:25] (03CR) 10jenkins-bot: Localisation updates from https://translatewiki.net. [extensions/JADE] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/454972 (owner: 10L10n-bot) [22:28:44] 10Scoring-platform-team (Current), 10ORES, 10User-Ladsgroup: Implement PoolCounter support in ORES - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T201823 (10Ladsgroup) This WIP is up now, https://github.com/wikimedia/ores/pull/260/files will work on it more tomorrow. [22:29:18] I was able to get poolcounter to give me timeout error because I opened too many requests locally [22:29:35] The PR is up but needs lots of love [22:29:46] I'm calling it a day after 11 hours [22:29:51] see you tomorrow [22:30:42] wikimedia/ores#981 (poolcounter_support - ed8ad32 : Amir Sarabadani): The build failed. https://travis-ci.org/wikimedia/ores/builds/419878905 [22:34:02] 10Scoring-platform-team (Current), 10DBA, 10JADE, 10Operations, 10TechCom-RFC: Introduce a new namespace for collaborative judgments about wiki entities - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T200297 (10awight) The meeting minutes are pretty accurate, but I wanted to collect a few more points for my own ref... [22:34:06] Amir1: nice work! [23:20:21] .```` [23:20:40] ^ not a thing.