[12:51:21] <wikibugs>	 (03CR) 10Ladsgroup: "@Awight: ping!" [extensions/ORES] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/461815 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T204753) (owner: 10Ladsgroup)
[15:23:46] <awight>	 o/
[15:32:17] <halfak>	 Hey awight 
[15:32:43] <halfak>	 Anything you want to get on my radar for announcing at Tech Management.  E.g. some nice milestones for JADE work?
[15:33:31] <awight>	 halfak: Not at this point, my active work is a bunch of coding and CR.
[15:33:43] <wikibugs>	 10Scoring-platform-team (Current), 10Wikilabels: Extend wikilabels to support session-labelling - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T201370 (10Halfak) Seems like this is done now.  Is that right?
[15:33:44] <awight>	 The next public step is to go back to the RFC
[15:33:49] <halfak>	 kk.  :) 
[15:34:00] <awight>	 Which is actually the next step btw!
[15:34:09] <halfak>	 Gotcha.  I could get some attention by bringing that up or we could wait until next week. 
[15:34:14] <awight>	 Also, I found a good strategy for how to get wikitext machinery...
[15:34:19] <awight>	 It turned out to be real simple
[15:34:23] <halfak>	 Nice!
[15:34:38] <awight>	 halfak: https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/mediawiki/extensions/JADE/+/464737/4/templates/judgment_page.wiki.mustache
[15:34:56] <awight>	 We render the judgment as wikitext, then let normal parser stuff render that as HTML
[15:35:12] <awight>	 It ticks all the boxes wrt. extension hooks and bookkeeping.
[15:36:27] <awight>	 halfak: One thing I was hoping you could look at today: my travel request in email
[15:36:53] <halfak>	 Working on Tech management prep right now.  ^_^  Will need ot look at that afterward
[15:37:14] <awight>	 +1
[15:37:39] <awight>	 Any time today is great
[15:45:47] <awight>	 harej: you're going to like this, I think: https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/mediawiki/extensions/JADE/+/464737/4/templates/judgment_page.wiki.mustache
[15:49:46] <wikibugs>	 (03CR) 10Awight: [C: 032] When service fails to respond, retry the job [extensions/ORES] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/461815 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T204753) (owner: 10Ladsgroup)
[16:23:15] <wikibugs>	 (03Merged) 10jenkins-bot: When service fails to respond, retry the job [extensions/ORES] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/461815 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T204753) (owner: 10Ladsgroup)
[16:29:07] <wikibugs>	 (03CR) 10jenkins-bot: When service fails to respond, retry the job [extensions/ORES] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/461815 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T204753) (owner: 10Ladsgroup)
[16:37:55] <Amir1>	 halfak: hey, if you have a minute, please take a look at PRs in ores
[16:38:21] <Amir1>	 the lock manger one improves the performance a lot, tested locally too
[17:02:20] <notconfusing>	 Hey peeps, I trust you enjoyed your idigenous peoples day. I want to start doing some feature engineering for my Newcomer-session-quality project. Can anybody point me to some pre-existing examples on how to start?
[17:03:15] <notconfusing>	 Does each campaign-type have it's own repo that is responsible for feature generation on that observation-type?
[17:03:33] <notconfusing>	 I know editquality has it's own repo, so but I don't know of others.
[17:16:32] <awight>	 notconfusing: yes, here are the others:
[17:16:50] <awight>	 https://github.com/wikimedia/articlequality
[17:16:56] <awight>	 https://github.com/wikimedia/draftquality
[17:17:08] <awight>	 https://github.com/wikimedia/drafttopic
[17:17:27] <awight>	 WIP https://github.com/wikimedia/edittypes
[17:17:52] <halfak>	 Will do Amir1.  Things are crazy today.  I just got some surprise deadlines.  So I might not get to PRs until tomorrow. 
[17:18:04] <halfak>	 Heading out to lunch now.  
[17:40:47] <Amir1>	 noted
[17:58:14] <harej>	 awight: i take it that takes JADE content and stylizes it?
[17:58:58] <awight>	 exactly, and happily if we do this in fillParserOutput, we also get the bookkeeping integrations like external links tracking.
[17:59:50] <harej>	 Sounds great.
[18:02:54] <halfak>	 awight, we have the new worked example to discuss
[18:02:57] <halfak>	 re. docs
[18:05:26] <halfak>	 srrodlund, ?
[18:08:40] <srrodlund>	  halfak awight Sorry, I tried to save a note earlier but my connection was bad. I'm about to get on a flight to Long Beach
[18:08:45] <srrodlund>	 so I can't make it
[18:08:57] <halfak>	 OK!  Have a good offsite :D 
[18:09:11] <halfak>	 OK.  Now back to work on surprise deadline. 
[18:10:28] <srrodlund>	 OH NO RE: surprise deadline. These seem quite frequent these days...
[18:20:03] <wikibugs>	 (03CR) 10Harej: [C: 031] Render Judgment pages as wikitext [extensions/JADE] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/464737 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T206346) (owner: 10Awight)
[18:20:46] <harej>	 awight: I +1'd your patch, thus proving I have a working mouse. But also, I'm thinking of setting up a MW instance for experimenting with JADE stuff.
[18:21:50] <awight>	 halfak: The worked example is great, thanks for taking the time!  The last paragraph is an important point I hadn't understood until reading this, so confirmed educational :-)
[18:22:03] <halfak>	 Nice!
[18:22:27] <halfak>	 I'm "procrastinating" by working on Amir1's pull requests. 
[18:22:40] <Amir1>	 :D
[18:23:51] <awight>	 I'm writing tests.  heads-down punishment
[18:25:01] <harej>	 How have we advertised new Wikilabels campaigns in the past? notconfusing's email raises a good point
[18:25:29] <Amir1>	 specially I'd love comments on https://github.com/wikimedia/ores/pull/270
[18:27:19] <notconfusing>	 harej: i sort of expected there to be not much "process" in place. So I was thinking that I would just ping people that either a) signed up for other campaigns, or b) have participated in other campaigns (we have their user ids).
[18:27:51] <notconfusing>	 but you know we could post somewhere in the signpost or other newsletter perhaps?
[18:29:31] <halfak>	 Village pump!
[18:29:43] <halfak>	 Also wikiprojects that are interested in recruiting newcomers. 
[18:29:56] <halfak>	 Like the Teahouse. 
[18:30:02] <halfak>	 And https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Editor_Retention
[18:30:06] <halfak>	 notconfusing, ^ 
[18:30:23] <halfak>	 Oh!  Also check out this list: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Snuggle#Sign_up
[18:30:38] <notconfusing>	 Yes! Thank you.
[18:30:50] <Amir1>	 let me fix travis first
[18:32:13] <Amir1>	 halfak: thanks for the notes, I will work on them first thing tomorrow. Hopefully we can merge and deploy it soon
[18:40:21] <halfak>	 Indeed.  I think the general idea of the redis-based task tracker is good.  I'd like to see if we can get the abstractions right. 
[18:40:24] <halfak>	 Amir1, ^ :) 
[18:40:57] <Amir1>	 ^^
[18:42:17] <wikibugs>	 10ORES, 10Scoring-platform-team (Current), 10User-Ladsgroup: Silence or address E_WOULDBLOCK warning - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T152012 (10awight) >>! In T152012#4642108, @Ladsgroup wrote: > I want to get back on this. I deep dived into celery docs, watched several conference presentations and chang...
[18:54:26] <awight>	 harej: Missed your note earlier.  That would be great!
[19:07:20] <halfak>	 Amir1, awight: I have a crazy deadline today for our quarterly check-in deck.  
[19:07:29] <travis-ci>	 wikimedia/ores#1045 (celery - fe2a62e : Amir Sarabadani): The build was fixed. https://travis-ci.org/wikimedia/ores/builds/439279889
[19:07:36] <halfak>	 I'm gathering things we worked on in the last quarter that were not part of our official goals. 
[19:07:43] <halfak>	 Can you help me? 
[19:08:17] <halfak>	 https://etherpad.wikimedia.org/p/qci_sp_fy19-q1
[19:09:29] <Amir1>	 sure, I'm at the bus coming back to Berlin with a super crappy wifi but let's do it :D
[19:09:44] <halfak>	 harej, what should I show off related to "Developing a focus group for JADE"?
[19:10:40] <harej>	 halfak: mainly that I reached out to 56 people and have heard from... 5. Also, I’m pretty sure everything I did for scoring platform this quarter was pertinent to the “deploy JADE” goal
[19:11:01] <harej>	 How soon do you need my summary of what people have said so far?
[19:11:04] <halfak>	 "Developing a focus group for JADE" was a goal. 
[19:11:12] <harej>	 Yes, that goal too.
[19:11:15] <halfak>	 harej, I just need somethign to put in the deck. 
[19:11:22] <harej>	 My point is, nothing I did was not related to a goal.
[19:11:25] <halfak>	 And I need it by SF EOD
[19:11:30] <halfak>	 (Surprise to me too)
[19:11:42] <harej>	 Ah! Give me a moment.
[19:12:11] <wikibugs>	 10MediaWiki-extensions-ORES, 10Scoring-platform-team (Current), 10MW-1.32-notes (WMF-deploy-2018-05-01 (1.32.0-wmf.2)), 10Patch-For-Review, 10User-Ladsgroup: Store wp10 predictions in the MediaWiki database. - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T175757 (10Halfak) Looks like this is done.
[19:12:11] <harej>	 (Sorry, this has been a frustrating day for me)
[19:12:26] <wikibugs>	 10MediaWiki-extensions-ORES, 10Scoring-platform-team (Current), 10MW-1.32-notes (WMF-deploy-2018-06-05 (1.32.0-wmf.7)), 10Patch-For-Review, 10User-Ladsgroup: Make wp10 rows be a squeezed to a weighted sum in ores_classification - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T194297 (10Halfak) Looks like this is done.
[19:12:59] <Amir1>	 halfak: I added some stuff based on monthly reports I send to Raz
[19:13:10] <halfak>	 Thanks Amir1 
[19:13:11] <Amir1>	 edit mercielessly
[19:14:04] <wikibugs>	 10MediaWiki-extensions-ORES, 10Scoring-platform-team, 10User-Ladsgroup: Write a maintenance script to populate articlequality data for articles - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T194300 (10Halfak) Didn't @SBisson already do something like this?
[19:25:05] <halfak>	 awight, maybe you could help me out by gathering some screen shots of JADE from Beta/your vagrant
[19:25:14] <halfak>	 E.g. if you have rendered wikitext :) 
[19:25:27] <awight>	 can do
[19:26:32] <wikibugs>	 (03PS5) 10Awight: Render Judgment pages as wikitext [extensions/JADE] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/464737 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T206346)
[19:26:34] <wikibugs>	 (03PS4) 10Awight: [WIP] Tests for SpamBlacklist integration [extensions/JADE] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/464727 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T206255)
[19:27:41] * awight quickly edits profanity out of local judgments :p
[19:38:10] <halfak>	 haha.  Thanks awight 
[19:45:29] <awight>	 halfak: Where can I put these?  email, phab, onwiki?
[19:45:49] <halfak>	 screenshots?  Commons!  Then in the etherpad. 
[19:45:53] <halfak>	 https://etherpad.wikimedia.org/p/qci_sp_fy19-q1
[19:46:03] <halfak>	 OMGQCISPFYWTFBBQ
[19:47:23] * awight taps keyword matcher
[19:55:11] <awight>	 halfak: done
[20:01:25] <awight>	 (added one more)
[20:04:38] <halfak>	 Thank you. 
[20:07:32] <halfak>	 awight, looking at the "user" field in https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:JADE_page_edit.png
[20:07:40] <halfak>	 It seems like it's being overloaded in confusing ways. 
[20:08:19] <halfak>	 Do you need to regex match a number to know if it is an IP or not? 
[20:08:19] <awight>	 To be clear, my plan is that it's either a gu_id or an IP string.
[20:08:41] <awight>	 Currently we allow username only because the validation code isn't finished yet.
[20:09:17] <halfak>	 what about "user: {gui: 123}" or "user: {ip: "123.110.0.1"}"?
[20:09:24] <halfak>	 That looks like the XML dump format to me 
[20:10:24] <halfak>	 Looks like JSON schema supports an either-or pattern https://stackoverflow.com/questions/24023536/how-do-i-require-one-field-or-another-or-one-of-two-others-but-not-all-of-them
[20:10:33] * halfak goes back to working on QCI deck
[20:23:26] <wikibugs>	 10JADE, 10Scoring-platform-team (Current): Surface JADE validation errors - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T197653 (10awight) 05Open>03Resolved
[20:25:23] <awight>	 halfak: That's a good idea!
[20:26:35] <wikibugs>	 10JADE, 10Scoring-platform-team: Validate global user ID; revisit user schema - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T206573 (10awight)
[20:33:41] <awight>	 halfak: XML also allows username, do you still feel strongly about disallowing that?
[20:33:44] <awight>	 <element name="username" type="string" minOccurs="0"/>
[20:33:47] <awight>	 <element name="id" type="nonNegativeInteger" minOccurs="0"/>
[20:33:49] <awight>	 <element name="ip" type="string" minOccurs="0"/>
[20:34:49] <halfak>	 awight, only disallowing username because the suppression would be weird. 
[20:35:45] <awight>	 It might not be, with this new intermediate wikitext approach.
[20:36:44] <awight>	 Assuming the blacklist, rename etc. machinery would work on a wikitext signature, it might also work here.
[20:38:46] <halfak>	 I don't think it does
[20:38:56] <halfak>	 Unless there's something new I don't know about. 
[20:39:07] <awight>	 K I'll make a note to dig into this
[20:41:23] <wikibugs>	 10JADE, 10Scoring-platform-team: Validate global user ID; revisit user schema - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T206573 (10awight)
[20:41:34] <awight>	 Thanks for the explanation!
[20:42:06] <wikibugs>	 10JADE, 10Scoring-platform-team (Current): Validate global user ID; revisit user schema - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T206573 (10awight)
[20:49:25] <halfak>	 awight, fwiw, I'd be interested in using the local user_id too.  But I think the global ID is way more useful, generally. 
[20:49:38] <halfak>	 We need to fill in some blanks in wikimedia's infrastructure around local and global IDs :( 
[21:00:16] <wikibugs>	 (03PS6) 10Awight: Render Judgment pages as wikitext [extensions/JADE] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/464737 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T206346)
[21:00:17] <wikibugs>	 (03PS2) 10Awight: Validate global user ID in endorsements [extensions/JADE] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/461502 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T206573)
[21:17:02] <halfak>	 harej, anything I can pull into this slide deck?
[21:17:15] <halfak>	 Maybe just a screenshot of the JADE signup?
[21:17:57] <harej>	 It’d be good to show off the docs in general, since they were overhauled this past quarter. I will have more for you when I get back from running this errand.
[21:19:17] <harej>	 (i.e. within the next hour)
[21:24:26] <halfak>	 Gotcha.  I really need to be able to say *something* about the focus group :) 
[21:24:36] <halfak>	 Docs go into the "Other stuff" section for QCIs
[21:52:05] <harej>	 halfak: I would say the biggest highlight is that we have a volunteer for Arabic Wikipedia interested in helping us
[21:52:50] <harej>	 And Persian
[21:53:38] <harej>	 Well, I want to get a confirmation for Persian.
[21:56:43] <harej>	 halfak: unfortunately of the 5 responses, only 3 contained any really usable information. I'll keep waiting, but in the meantime I may want to work my Persian and Arabic leads. https://docs.google.com/document/d/14OSCz93MgeQIN01XkrxBsSojoennVcxFnm2DT9dDxCc/edit
[21:57:13] <harej>	 (I emailed Amir Aharoni in his volunteer capacity)
[21:57:35] <halfak>	 So no signup list or landing page I can screen grab? 
[21:57:52] <harej>	 The contact list is right here: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Global_message_delivery/Targets/JADE
[21:58:10] <harej>	 Landing page is still https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/JADE
[21:58:32] <halfak>	 Hey.  This global delivery page is useful.  I'll riff on this. 
[22:05:28] <harej>	 Anything else you need from me? I should probably start heading to the airport.
[22:06:44] <halfak>	 I think this'll work. 
[22:07:12] <awight>	 harej: have fun!
[22:09:43] <halfak>	 awight, fun story.  I looked at what it's going to cost to fly us out to Amir1.  Apparently airlines are super mega expensive in Nov/Dec. 
[22:09:49] <halfak>	 So it's not an option.  
[22:10:00] <halfak>	 I think I'll be trying to get Amir to Mexico instead :) 
[22:11:36] <awight>	 halfak: on the expenses topic, will my CSCW trip break the budget?  NYC's expensive.
[22:12:41] <halfak>	 awight, your perdiem is super high
[22:13:09] <awight>	 just following the formulas...
[22:13:21] <halfak>	 I'm guessing you weren't looking at MI&E*.75?
[22:14:07] <halfak>	 MI&E for Jersey City is $61 per day
[22:14:16] <halfak>	 https://www.gsa.gov/travel/plan-book/per-diem-rates/per-diem-rates-lookup/?action=perdiems_report&state=NJ&fiscal_year=2019&zip=&city=Jersey%20City
[22:14:38] <awight>	 aha thanks--I was using NYC
[22:15:37] <halfak>	 The hotel charge ended up being $1195 for 5 nights. 
[22:16:14] <halfak>	 It's so gross to see that number and thing "that's cheap" 
[22:16:23] <awight>	 greed
[22:16:45] <awight>	 Marriott workers are on strike at the moment, for not earning a living wage.
[22:18:36] <awight>	 sheesh, I was using $288/day rather than $61
[22:20:23] <halfak>	 Just think of how amazing the food would be. 
[22:20:24] <awight>	 Explains why people move to the suburbs
[22:20:51] <awight>	 That would be enough to have the NYPD drive me to the venue
[22:21:15] <halfak>	 https://media0.giphy.com/media/Kerg053G7ZJUQ/giphy.gif
[22:21:44] <awight>	 Full greed ahead!
[22:38:33] <wikibugs>	 (03PS5) 10Awight: Tests to demonstrate SpamBlacklist integration [extensions/JADE] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/464727 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T206255)
[22:39:37] <halfak>	 OK that's enough for me.  SO MANY SLIDES. 
[22:39:41] <halfak>	 Have a good one, folks!
[22:39:47] <wikibugs>	 10JADE, 10Scoring-platform-team (Current), 10SpamBlacklist, 10Patch-For-Review: SpamBlacklist integration for JADE - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T206255 (10awight) a:03awight
[22:39:59] <wikibugs>	 10JADE, 10Scoring-platform-team (Current), 10AbuseFilter, 10MW-1.32-notes (WMF-deploy-2018-10-16 (1.32.0-wmf.26)), 10Patch-For-Review: AbuseFilter integration for JADE - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T201365 (10awight) a:03awight
[22:41:45] <wikibugs>	 10JADE, 10Scoring-platform-team (Current), 10DBA, 10Operations, 10TechCom-RFC: Introduce a new namespace for collaborative judgments about wiki entities - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T200297 (10awight) The fully implemented secondary schema is ready for #techcom review: https://gerrit.wikimedia.org...
[22:44:04] <halfak>	 awight, forgot to ask if you heard back from the workshop people re. the JADE position statement?
[22:45:10] <awight>	 halfak: Yes, it was buried in the travel approval email.  They've accepted the papercito
[22:45:25] <awight>	 (personal first)
[22:45:33] <halfak>	 Woo!
[22:45:48] <halfak>	 OK running away for real now. 
[22:45:51] <halfak>	 Have a good evening!
[22:45:52] * awight high-five
[23:06:31] <wikibugs>	 10JADE, 10Scoring-platform-team (Current), 10Patch-For-Review: Validate global user ID; revisit user schema - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T206573 (10awight) @Halfak I got some confirmation on IRC that nobody expects our extension to filter or rename users included in the JSON content.  The analogous us...