[12:40:20] o/ [13:19:18] akosiaris: hey, if you have a minute, can you merge this? https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/c/operations/puppet/+/479206 I will restart nodes on codfw first to make sure things I working as expected [13:20:20] Amir1: can I take a raincheck? I am knee deep in 2 different thing right now and have a backlog of another 2 [13:20:37] e.g. can I ping you tomorrow about it ? [13:20:49] Sure thing. Sorry to bother [14:00:59] 10ORES, 10Scoring-platform-team, 10Analytics, 10Dumps-Generation: Produce dump files for ORES scores - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T209739 (10ArielGlenn) What sort of help do you need from my end, or is it too early? [14:15:02] Amir1: around now ? I just managed to get out of my first rabbithole. I have a few mins before digging into the second [14:15:23] So I gather you started moving celery configs in the deploy repo ? [14:15:32] akosiaris: hey, yup [14:15:41] it's already deployed [14:15:49] ok let's see what will break :-) [14:15:58] I 'll do ores1001 first [14:16:16] this will require a restart of celery right ? uwsgi? or not ? [14:16:47] akosiaris: what do you think of deploying on all of codfw first, I think we will end up having the json/pickle issue again [14:16:58] both needs to be restarted [14:17:56] I thought it was going to be a noop ? [14:18:43] Technically it's not, given that it the deploy repo has different configs [14:18:50] I can make it at two steps [14:18:50] ehm... [14:18:54] one noop [14:18:55] yes please :-D [14:18:59] sure :D [14:20:09] (03PS1) 10Ladsgroup: Temp: Revert result serializier back to pickle [services/ores/deploy] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/479442 [14:20:25] (03CR) 10Ladsgroup: [V: 032 C: 032] Temp: Revert result serializier back to pickle [services/ores/deploy] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/479442 (owner: 10Ladsgroup) [14:37:04] o/ [14:54:44] 10ORES, 10Scoring-platform-team (Current), 10Core Platform Team Backlog (Watching / External), 10Services (watching), 10User-Ladsgroup: ORES preaching seem to not understand it's own config - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T211267 (10Ladsgroup) I found it what's wrong. Will fix it and deploy it ASAP. [15:00:59] halfak: hey, this is for you [15:01:00] https://github.com/wikimedia/ores/pull/299 [15:02:04] 10Jade, 10Scoring-platform-team: Explore alternative names for Jade data - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T200365 (10Halfak) From my previous post: > "Assessment" sounds like a rating, but it doesn't apply to some things. E.g. you can assess the quality of an edit, but can you assess the topic of an artic... [15:02:49] merged. [15:11:52] halfak: and this one: https://github.com/wikimedia/ores/pull/300/files [15:20:24] 10ORES, 10Scoring-platform-team (Current), 10Core Platform Team Backlog (Watching / External), 10Services (watching), 10User-Ladsgroup: ORES preaching seem to not understand it's own config - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T211267 (10Ladsgroup) https://github.com/wikimedia/ores/pull/300 [15:32:39] I'll be afk for eating snack, will be back soon [15:50:20] brb for restart. [15:51:36] 10Scoring-platform-team, 10Wikibase-Containers, 10Wikidata, 10Wikilabels, and 3 others: Stretch in docker registry forces ascii encoding - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T210260 (10hashar) Following the merge of https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/478200 , can you possibly rebuild the two images please? :)... [16:06:32] o/ Amir1. When you get back, I made a note on that last PR. I think we need a test. :) I'll be available for a quick re-review. [16:09:55] halfak: I just got back, Yes, I wanted to write regression tests for it but the module doesn't have any tests at all. so I need to write lots of tests that would take lots of time. I want to get this deployed ASAP but I'm already working on writing tests in another PR [16:10:20] OK just so long as the tests are coming. [16:10:22] Will merge. [16:10:50] already on it [16:10:54] done [16:11:32] thanks [16:25:02] Amir, can you rubber duck something for me? [16:25:10] https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T205640 [16:25:15] See my last post [16:25:21] It doesn't make any sense. [16:27:50] sure, sorry didn't get the ping [16:28:06] Aha! It looks like arvnamespace can cause results to just not come in. So I need to manually scan for namespaces myself. [16:28:20] Also, it looks like namespace 8 is not the only namespace where translations happen. [16:56:07] o/ wiki-ai people [16:56:39] * awight jumps [17:07:37] (03PS1) 10Ladsgroup: Bump ORES to head [services/ores/deploy] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/479491 [17:08:26] (03CR) 10Ladsgroup: [V: 032 C: 032] "Going beta" [services/ores/deploy] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/479491 (owner: 10Ladsgroup) [17:11:33] wikimedia/ores#1191 (tests_precache - e00b097 : Amir Sarabadani): The build failed. https://travis-ci.org/wikimedia/ores/builds/467610777 [17:15:55] 10Jade, 10Scoring-platform-team: Explore alternative names for Jade data - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T200365 (10SPoore) Earlier I thought of the term Screening because it is a form of Assessment but better since it has a cogitation that it is not exact or permanent. But there are other meaning that are... [17:21:51] halfak: This improves our coverage by three percent https://github.com/wikimedia/ores/pull/301 [17:38:59] awight: for when you feel like review ^ [17:39:02] noop for prod [17:39:27] Amir1: oh heck yeah, I can get to that in an hour [17:39:38] Thanks <3 [17:47:46] 10ORES, 10Scoring-platform-team (Current), 10Core Platform Team Backlog (Watching / External), 10Services (watching), 10User-Ladsgroup: ORES preaching seem to not understand it's own config - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T211267 (10Ladsgroup) The 400 issue is not resolved yet. Will work on it tomorrow. [17:55:34] The median of response time in codfw is decreasing since the deployment [18:07:57] holy shit the median went from 10 seconds in codfw to 5 seconds [18:14:17] Amir1: What's happening over there... [18:14:49] We fixed an issue in handling precache request [18:15:12] https://github.com/wikimedia/ores/pull/300 awight [18:15:22] Now it actually caches requests [18:15:43] wat. you're blowing my mind [18:16:47] (03PS1) 10Ladsgroup: Revert "Temp: Revert result serializier back to pickle" [services/ores/deploy] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/479500 [18:18:06] awight: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T211267 :D [18:24:13] It will continue to drop ^^ [18:24:24] I'm done for the day, will work more tomorrow [18:25:30] o/ [18:26:31] notconfusing: https://github.com/notconfusing/newcomerquality/pull/2 [18:30:29] (03CR) 10Awight: [C: 04-1] "I'll take this out of the patch sequence, but not quite ready to abandon it. If I take down production... nah what are the odds :p" [extensions/JADE] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/476446 (owner: 10Awight) [18:51:34] (03PS2) 10Awight: Define a constant for the judgment model [extensions/JADE] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/476993 [18:51:36] (03PS2) 10Awight: Rename functions to match the new model name [extensions/JADE] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/477000 [18:51:38] (03PS8) 10Awight: Store content quality as an integer index [extensions/JADE] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/476994 [18:51:40] (03PS16) 10Awight: Summarize preferred judgment values in link table [extensions/JADE] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/475932 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T200297) [18:51:42] (03PS13) 10Awight: Add indexes to filter by judgment value [extensions/JADE] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/476447 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T200297) [18:51:44] (03PS9) 10Awight: Throw a fit and s/JADE/Jade/ [extensions/JADE] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/476771 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T211046) [18:51:49] (03CR) 10Awight: Define a constant for the judgment model (031 comment) [extensions/JADE] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/476993 (owner: 10Awight) [18:54:39] (03PS3) 10Awight: Split apihelp messages to a separate file [extensions/JADE] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/478402 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T189982) (owner: 10Amire80) [18:55:25] (03CR) 10jerkins-bot: [V: 04-1] Summarize preferred judgment values in link table [extensions/JADE] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/475932 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T200297) (owner: 10Awight) [18:55:37] (03CR) 10jerkins-bot: [V: 04-1] Add indexes to filter by judgment value [extensions/JADE] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/476447 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T200297) (owner: 10Awight) [18:55:42] (03CR) 10jerkins-bot: [V: 04-1] Throw a fit and s/JADE/Jade/ [extensions/JADE] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/476771 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T211046) (owner: 10Awight) [18:57:46] (03PS17) 10Awight: Summarize preferred judgment values in link table [extensions/JADE] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/475932 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T200297) [18:57:48] (03PS14) 10Awight: Add indexes to filter by judgment value [extensions/JADE] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/476447 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T200297) [18:57:50] (03PS10) 10Awight: Throw a fit and s/JADE/Jade/ [extensions/JADE] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/476771 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T211046) [18:57:52] (03PS4) 10Awight: Split apihelp messages to a separate file [extensions/JADE] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/478402 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T189982) (owner: 10Amire80) [18:58:04] (03CR) 10jerkins-bot: [V: 04-1] Split apihelp messages to a separate file [extensions/JADE] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/478402 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T189982) (owner: 10Amire80) [19:00:33] (03CR) 10jerkins-bot: [V: 04-1] Add indexes to filter by judgment value [extensions/JADE] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/476447 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T200297) (owner: 10Awight) [19:01:03] (03CR) 10jerkins-bot: [V: 04-1] Split apihelp messages to a separate file [extensions/JADE] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/478402 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T189982) (owner: 10Amire80) [19:01:43] (03CR) 10jerkins-bot: [V: 04-1] Summarize preferred judgment values in link table [extensions/JADE] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/475932 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T200297) (owner: 10Awight) [19:01:48] srrodlund: halfak: I forget what we said about today's docs meeting? [19:01:55] (03CR) 10jerkins-bot: [V: 04-1] Throw a fit and s/JADE/Jade/ [extensions/JADE] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/476771 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T211046) (owner: 10Awight) [19:02:43] aw [19:02:50] awight: I don't think anyone accepted [19:03:09] srrodlund: as you wish! [19:03:35] awight: actually -- as the team wishes :-) [19:09:15] (03CR) 10jerkins-bot: [V: 04-1] Summarize preferred judgment values in link table [extensions/JADE] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/475932 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T200297) (owner: 10Awight) [19:12:28] awight: the tests are added in pr #301 please check that, it's still open [19:14:19] (03CR) 10jerkins-bot: [V: 04-1] Summarize preferred judgment values in link table [extensions/JADE] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/475932 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T200297) (owner: 10Awight) [19:16:51] (03CR) 10jerkins-bot: [V: 04-1] Throw a fit and s/JADE/Jade/ [extensions/JADE] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/476771 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T211046) (owner: 10Awight) [19:29:30] Taking my lunch now. [19:29:33] oof meetings :| [20:05:09] 10ORES, 10Scoring-platform-team (Current), 10Core Platform Team Backlog (Watching / External), 10Services (watching), 10User-Ladsgroup: ORES precaching seem to not understand it's own config - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T211267 (10Halfak) [20:08:09] Amir1, merged 301 [20:08:14] Thanks! [20:55:19] isaacj: https://github.com/halfak/ores-paper/blob/master/halfaker2018ores.pdf [20:57:47] Oh wait. That's a less good version. [20:58:02] I think... [20:58:18] Yup. [20:58:19] halfak: for context, was asking adam about good overview presos / papers for talking to people about AI on Wikipedia [20:58:33] https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:ORES_-_Facilitating_re-mediation_of_Wikipedia%27s_socio-technical_problems.pdf [20:58:40] (03PS18) 10Awight: Summarize preferred judgment values in link table [extensions/JADE] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/475932 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T200297) [20:58:42] ^ That one doesn't have all the good parts cut out. [20:58:42] (03PS15) 10Awight: Add indexes to filter by judgment value [extensions/JADE] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/476447 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T200297) [20:58:44] (03PS11) 10Awight: Throw a fit and s/JADE/Jade/ [extensions/JADE] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/476771 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T211046) [20:58:46] (03PS5) 10Awight: Split apihelp messages to a separate file [extensions/JADE] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/478402 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T189982) (owner: 10Amire80) [20:58:51] It's a pretty good overview if you're into CSCWy stuff. [20:59:02] halfak: thanks! and yes i am [22:10:33] srrodlund: This is the only task I made about API return values so far, https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T203025 [22:10:50] but it's a systematic problem--any API that returns a value should document what it returns. [22:16:51] awight, glad to have you in that meeting re. ethical AI. I'm worried I came off as disagreeing with you. My intention was to add acknowledgements of unknowns. :) [22:17:37] Also, I had a response about why explanations for an individual don't naturally translate to group understanding, but that's a complicated subject. [22:19:01] I thought it was perfect that we had differing perpectives :D [22:23:36] +1 [22:23:46] I'm working on getting a good translatewiki sample. [22:23:57] I have 750k revisions from this last year and I'm autolabeling them now. [22:24:25] awesome! [22:31:30] 10ORES, 10Scoring-platform-team, 10Operations, 10Security-Team: Fetching ORES API from en.wikipedia.org blocked in debug mode - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T211511 (10Dzahn) [22:35:48] So far the revert rate for 5.3k revisions is 0% :| [22:37:07] tf [22:41:06] Still no reverts detected in 7k revisions [22:41:08] woo [22:54:00] 11.2k revisions and still no revert [22:54:09] This is starting to shape up like Wikidata. [22:54:18] Oh! I have an idea. [22:55:42] Oh nevermind. I thought I had a revert-window set but it turns out that I did not :| [22:55:55] OK with that, I'm going to call it a day. [22:56:05] o/ [22:58:47] o/