[05:58:40] 10Scoring-platform-team (Current), 10Wikilabels, 10articlequality-modeling, 10User-Sebastian_Berlin-WMSE, and 2 others: Build article quality model for svwiki - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T202202 (10Sebastian_Berlin-WMSE) >>! In T202202#5173390, @Halfak wrote: > This is now deployed to our beta (tes... [13:04:41] o/ [13:05:42] p/ [13:06:18] :) [13:08:03] q/ [13:19:48] (03CR) 10Thiemo Kreuz (WMDE): [C: 03+2] "It would make a difference when it's `null`, for example. But it's an empty array, matching the required `array` type." [extensions/ORES] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/509463 (owner: 10Umherirrender) [13:23:12] (03CR) 10Thiemo Kreuz (WMDE): [C: 03+2] "To bad we don't have a UserOptions object, because that's really all that's needed here." [extensions/ORES] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/509461 (owner: 10Umherirrender) [13:25:49] (03Merged) 10jenkins-bot: Remove default value from argument list [extensions/ORES] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/509463 (owner: 10Umherirrender) [13:27:59] (03CR) 10jenkins-bot: Remove default value from argument list [extensions/ORES] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/509463 (owner: 10Umherirrender) [13:29:10] (03Merged) 10jenkins-bot: Pass User to Helpers::getThreshold() [extensions/ORES] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/509461 (owner: 10Umherirrender) [13:31:55] (03CR) 10jenkins-bot: Pass User to Helpers::getThreshold() [extensions/ORES] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/509461 (owner: 10Umherirrender) [15:31:50] standup! [15:31:55] hare & groceryheist [16:18:54] 10Scoring-platform-team (Current), 10ORES-Support-Checklist, 10User-Ladsgroup: ores-support-checklist is down - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T222270 (10Halfak) a:05Ladsgroup→03Halfak [16:21:28] 10Jade, 10Scoring-platform-team, 10Cleanup: Archive "JADE" extension repository - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T221437 (10Halfak) a:05Ladsgroup→03None [18:20:34] 10ORES, 10Scoring-platform-team, 10serviceops, 10Patch-For-Review: Ores hosts: mwparserfromhell tokenizer random segfault - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T222866 (10Harej) p:05Triage→03Normal [19:21:53] hare: btw I left the list of Wikis for my analysis in the current_work etherpad [19:22:04] Ooh, thank you [19:24:53] groceryheist: the gist is, you want a history of these wikis adopting ORES / what prompted them to do it> [19:24:54] ? [19:26:52] hare, want me to send you a list of questions? [19:27:37] If you have them, sure. (Do these specific questions need to be asked, or is this more to guide conversation? There are some best practices around asking community members questions that I'll want to take into consideration, mostly focusing on "don't ask so many of them") [19:27:50] more to guide conversation [19:27:58] Ah, perfect [19:28:11] just want to get people talking about ORES and quality control [19:28:25] I'll send you an email. [19:29:17] "How has ORES changed your wiki?" [19:35:23] 1. How does your community manage quality control and deal with damaging [19:35:23] edits? [19:35:23] 2. How did your community decide to adopt ORES filters and what steps [19:35:23] were involved? [19:35:23] 3. What hopes and fears did you (or others) have about this project? [19:35:25] 4. Are there any ways you think your WIki has changed since ORES filters [19:35:33] were introduced? [19:36:08] hope that isn't too many [19:36:38] I think I know how 1. might be answered for enwiki [19:36:41] but not for the others [19:55:50] 10Scoring-platform-team (Current), 10Wikilabels, 10editquality-modeling, 10Spanish-Sites, and 2 others: Create editquality campaign for Spanish Wikiversity - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T209670 (10Halfak) OK I made the change so that autoconfirmed users are "trusted" so long as their edits are not re... [20:01:29] 10Scoring-platform-team (Current), 10Wikilabels, 10editquality-modeling, 10Spanish-Sites, and 2 others: Create editquality campaign for Spanish Wikiversity - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T209670 (10Halfak) https://labels.wmflabs.org/ui/eswikiversity/ The labeling interface is ready to go! [20:06:21] 10Scoring-platform-team, 10Growth-Team: Update fiwiki thresholds based on new model - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T223164 (10Halfak) [20:23:13] 10Scoring-platform-team, 10Growth-Team: Update fiwiki thresholds based on new model - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T223164 (10Halfak) We went up from 0.08 precision @ 0.90 recall to 0.26 prevision @ 0.90 recall. So that's quite a jump. [20:25:27] 10Scoring-platform-team, 10Growth-Team: Update fiwiki thresholds based on new model - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T223164 (10Halfak) This is the difference between needing to review 50% of edits to catch 90% of the damage to only needing to review 15% of edits to catch 90% of the damage. HUGE! [20:25:43] 10Scoring-platform-team, 10Growth-Team: Update fiwiki thresholds based on new model - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T223164 (10Halfak) [20:25:45] 10Scoring-platform-team (Current), 10editquality-modeling, 10User-Ladsgroup, 10artificial-intelligence: Train fiwiki damaging and goodfaith models with the second campagin data added - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T220216 (10Halfak) [20:26:05] 10Scoring-platform-team (Current), 10editquality-modeling, 10User-Ladsgroup, 10artificial-intelligence: Train fiwiki damaging and goodfaith models with the second campagin data added - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T220216 (10Halfak) This has been merged and deployed. Thresholds will need to be update... [20:26:55] 10Scoring-platform-team, 10Growth-Team: Update fiwiki thresholds based on new model - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T223164 (10Halfak) FYI: @Zache and @4shadoww ^ Hopefully this will help a lot :) [20:49:38] 10Scoring-platform-team (Current), 10Wikilabels, 10articlequality-modeling, 10User-Sebastian_Berlin-WMSE, and 2 others: Build article quality model for svwiki - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T202202 (10Halfak) OK the model is deployed. I've also configured a simple gadget to allow you to see the predi... [21:37:39] 10Scoring-platform-team (Current), 10Wikilabels, 10editquality-modeling, 10Serbian-Sites, 10artificial-intelligence: Investigate srwiki goodfaith model, why is it so bad? - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T199355 (10Halfak) Just sat down with this again. Here's the old dataset: | edits | damaging |... [21:55:37] 10Jade, 10Scoring-platform-team (Current), 10DBA, 10Operations, and 2 others: Introduce a new namespace for collaborative judgements about wiki entities - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T200297 (10Harej) It is my understanding that outstanding issues with Jade have been addressed. As requested I have mo... [21:58:43] 10Scoring-platform-team, 10Growth-Team: Update fiwiki thresholds based on new model - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T223164 (10Harej) p:05Triage→03Normal [22:01:42] I'm off for the day. I'll be on extra early tomorrow and off a bit early. I'm pre-adjusting for jet-lag. [22:01:43] :) [22:01:44] o/ [22:25:59] groceryheist: how urgent is your community feedback task? i have the hackathon followed by vacation so unless it is particularly urgent i am not going to touch it in the next two weeks [22:40:16] hare: I would very much like to start this in the next week or even the next few days [23:42:18] "Designing human-centered AI products" https://pair.withgoogle.com/ [23:57:10] And not directly related to AI but there's an AI section: https://alistapart.com/article/trans-inclusive-design/