[00:01:14] <accraze>	 articlequality seems to be in sync, still pulling down all the lfs objs for editquality
[00:14:41] <accraze>	 pushed up 2 new objects for editquality on gerrit
[00:22:56] <wikibugs>	 10ORES, 10Scoring-platform-team (Current), 10Gerrit: Write a cookbook for the workaround for getting LFS to gerrit - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T226055 (10ACraze) LGTM  I followed the LFS commands and pushed 2 new objects to gerrit for editquality. It seems like articlequality and draftquality are bot...
[14:36:10] <halfak>	 o/ kevinbazira 
[14:36:14] <halfak>	 How's hacking? 
[14:44:29] <wikibugs>	 10Scoring-platform-team, 10Research: Extract cross-wiki WikiProject tags - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T240273 (10Halfak) https://figshare.com/authors/Aaron_Halfaker/96516
[14:55:34] <kevinbazira>	 o/ halfak 
[14:56:26] <kevinbazira>	 It's going well, I generated the skipgram 100 cell vector model and it's word vectors
[14:56:46] <wikibugs>	 10Scoring-platform-team, 10Discovery-Search, 10Growth-Team: Allow searching articles by ORES drafttopic - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T240517 (10Halfak) I don't think that ORES is the right place to do any joining of data.  ORES output format doesn't allow us to append a QID to it.    The revision-scor...
[14:56:47] <halfak>	 Nice!  
[14:56:56] <halfak>	 Do you have the 50 cell ones too? 
[15:00:24] <kevinbazira>	 Yes I do
[15:03:50] <kevinbazira>	 the 50 cell ones completed but the 100 cell ones are still running
[15:05:10] <halfak>	 Gotcha.  Great!  Where can I find the files? 
[15:05:17] <halfak>	 I'd like to dig into them a bit. 
[15:05:51] <halfak>	 https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T235184
[15:06:01] <halfak>	 ^ For posting details. 
[15:15:16] <halfak>	 kevinbazira, ^ 
[15:30:53] <kevinbazira>	 I have added details of where to find the files on the phabricator link above
[15:31:10] <halfak>	 Thank you! 
[15:34:24] <kevinbazira>	 You're welcome :)
[15:46:48] <halfak>	 I wonder if there are some good ways we could trim this .vec file -- e.g., by removing either super rare or super common words. 
[16:10:33] * kevinbazira is going AWK, will be back in time for async
[16:31:50] <wikibugs>	 (03CR) 10jerkins-bot: [V: 04-1] build: Updating mediawiki/minus-x to 0.3.2 [extensions/ORES] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/558584 (owner: 10Libraryupgrader)
[17:02:36] <accraze>	 async standup:
[17:02:47] <accraze>	 Y: Continued work on Jade UI components & widgets. Got facets and proposals rendering correctly (minus css styling). Also reviewed the git lfs docs for manually syncing our models on gerrit. 
[17:03:12] <accraze>	 T: More Jade UI, specifically endorsement & author widgets, proposal edit menu and maybe 'propose new label' popup + form
[17:03:38] <kevinbazira>	 Y: generated skipgram 50 cell vector model and did some ML tutorials
[17:03:52] <kevinbazira>	 T: started process of generating skipgram 100 cell vector model and shared details with halfak in a comment here: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T235184 
[17:06:50] <halfak>	 Y: Rebuilt the wikilabels instances that were still running Debian Jessie (found a scary backup bug!)  Re-trained the enwiki and dewiki models.  Started work on a beta deployment of ORES.  Submitted a patch for fixing Jade API's i18n QQQ.  Got my figshare.com account back so I could upload drafttopic datasets. 
[17:06:50] <halfak>	 T: Mostly meetings today.  Will try to get the draft topic streams merged and possibly even a new drafttopic model built. 
[17:07:14] <halfak>	 I'm blocked on review for https://github.com/wikimedia/editquality/pull/218
[17:08:40] <accraze>	 i can review that in a bit halfak
[17:08:45] <halfak>	 Thanks!
[17:09:01] <halfak>	 With that, I should be able to get an ORES deployment out to beta today between meetings. 
[17:09:36] <halfak>	 kevinbazira, next step for vectors is to implement a strategy for loading them in and generating features. 
[17:11:01] <halfak>	 See https://github.com/wikimedia/revscoring/blob/master/revscoring/datasources/meta/vectorizers.py
[17:11:17] <halfak>	 We have one for word2vec and we should probably have one for fasttext. 
[17:11:28] <halfak>	 Maybe it would make sense to read the vectors in ourselves. 
[17:11:36] <kevinbazira>	 Great. I'm going to work on that
[17:11:38] <halfak>	 It's a pretty simple file format. 
[17:11:41] <halfak>	 Cool :) 
[17:18:51] <kevinbazira>	 me is going AWK, good day halfak and accraze
[17:19:02] <halfak>	 Have a good evening!
[17:22:39] <accraze>	 see ya later kevinbazira
[17:33:44] <accraze>	 halfak, i just reviewed and merged those revscoring 2.6.2 rebuild PRs for editquality and articlequality
[17:33:52] <halfak>	 Thank you :) 
[17:33:54] <accraze>	 anything else you need for the deploy?
[17:34:13] <halfak>	 Not right now.  Might ping if I run into something.  Hopefully I'll just have you reviewing the config changes. 
[18:01:32] <halfak>	 hey groceryheist 
[18:01:36] <halfak>	 Are we meeting now? 
[18:01:48] <halfak>	 I don't have a call to join. 
[18:02:36] <groceryheist>	 oh hey
[18:03:05] <groceryheist>	 let me get a link
[18:03:47] <groceryheist>	 https://beta.meet.jit.si/mako_aaron_nate
[18:03:50] <groceryheist>	 mako's on his way
[18:05:46] <groceryheist>	 halfak: ^
[19:00:29] <halfak>	 groceryheist, sorry had to run to next meeting
[19:46:57] <isaacj>	 halfak: do you need/want me there for "Using the ORES topic model in UX" meeting this afternoon? if not, i will likely skip as I doubt I would have anything unique to provide
[19:50:14] <halfak>	 Na.  I think I can handle it.  Will report back
[19:50:17] <halfak>	 isaacj, ^ 
[19:50:31] <isaacj>	 :thumbs up: thanks!
[21:22:18] <wikibugs>	 (03CR) 10Umherirrender: [C: 03+2] "Resubmit" [extensions/ORES] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/558584 (owner: 10Libraryupgrader)
[21:24:29] <groceryheist>	 hey halfak is there a way to get a copy of the 30 day ores score database?
[21:25:16] <groceryheist>	 I have some missing data based on the historical scores and I want to cross-reference with the live site
[21:27:14] <groceryheist>	 halfak: also can you share artifacts where Wikipedians talked about using anon and redlinks in patrolling work? 
[21:27:55] <halfak>	 groceryheist, hey!  I can get that to you late this week. 
[21:28:08] <halfak>	 Re. the last 30 days of scores, you can get that out of some tables accessible to quarry. 
[21:29:22] <halfak>	 https://quarry.wmflabs.org/query/40711
[21:29:27] <halfak>	 groceryheist, ^ 
[21:29:58] <halfak>	 Nettrom, any chance you remember some conversations with Wikipedians about suggestbot turning redlinks to bluelinks for newcomers?
[21:30:08] <halfak>	 I remember that came up for you.  I'll just dig through your talk page. 
[21:30:16] <halfak>	 ... if you don't have time :) 
[21:30:38] * halfak looks around for Vermont. 
[21:32:42] <groceryheist>	 halfak: which wikis are those revisions in quarry from?
[21:32:59] <halfak>	 Oh those are from enwiki. 
[21:33:07] <halfak>	 Enwiki is the default if you don't specify
[21:33:26] <halfak>	 Otherwise, you can do "USE arwiki_p;" before the query to select a different wiki. 
[21:37:43] <groceryheist>	 ah ok
[21:38:48] <groceryheist>	 and what if I want a random sample say?
[21:39:04] <groceryheist>	 never mind
[21:39:07] <groceryheist>	 I can figure that much out
[21:43:22] <groceryheist>	 thanks
[21:50:00] <halfak>	 o/ accraze
[21:50:08] <halfak>	 found another PR I need: https://github.com/wikimedia/ores/pull/334
[21:50:14] <halfak>	 Should be easy. 
[21:58:48] <accraze>	 halfak it's merged!
[22:15:35] <Nettrom>	 halfak: I don't remember off the top of my head whether those discussions happened on SuggestBot's or my talk page
[22:16:10] <Nettrom>	 but I'm pretty sure that redlink recommendations has been discussed at some point
[22:21:57] <halfak>	 Aha.  This is about redlink user pages.  Not redlink articles. 
[22:45:40] <halfak>	 As in if suggestbot posts recommendations to a user's talk page, it'll turn blue. 
[22:45:52] <halfak>	 I think you were looking at running a newcomer experiment with suggestbot or something like that. 
[22:46:32] <halfak>	 git review is taking a LOOONG time on stat1007
[22:46:35] * halfak yawns
[22:54:13] <wikibugs>	 (03PS1) 10Halfak: Updates for revscoring-2.6.2 [research/ores/wheels] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/558715
[22:54:47] <wikibugs>	 (03PS2) 10Halfak: Updates for revscoring-2.6.2 [research/ores/wheels] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/558715 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T240725)
[22:54:56] <halfak>	 accraze, https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/research/ores/wheels/+/558715
[22:56:41] <Nettrom>	 halfak: hm, maybe that was discussed in the bot request for the experiment, let me check
[22:57:02] <halfak>	 Thank you :) 
[22:57:04] <Nettrom>	 I know I also looked into whether users in Norwegian Wikipedia were welcomed if SuggestBot had posted to their talk page as part of the experiment, and the answer was always "no"
[22:57:15] <halfak>	 interesting!
[22:57:24] <halfak>	 Is that published? 
[22:57:40] <Nettrom>	 no, that was the newcomer recommendations project that we never wrote a paper for :(
[22:57:55] <wikibugs>	 (03CR) 10Accraze: [C: 03+2] Updates for revscoring-2.6.2 [research/ores/wheels] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/558715 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T240725) (owner: 10Halfak)
[22:57:56] <halfak>	 gotcha. 
[22:57:58] <halfak>	 \o/
[22:58:01] <halfak>	 <3 accraze 
[23:02:28] <wikibugs>	 (03PS1) 10Halfak: Updates for revscoring 2.6.2 and some models. [services/ores/deploy] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/558719 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T240725)
[23:02:44] <halfak>	 accraze, https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/mediawiki/services/ores/deploy/+/558719
[23:03:03] <halfak>	 this one is a bit more complicated.  If you find time for it today, I'll get a beta deployment out tomorrow. 
[23:04:14] <Nettrom>	 halfak: I don't find discussions of turning new user links blue in either the bot request or the discussion on the Welcoming Committee's pages (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Bots/Requests_for_approval/SuggestBot_3 and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Welcoming_committee/Archive_4#Experimental_research_study_targeting_newly_registered_users )
[23:04:29] <halfak>	 Gotcha.  Thanks for looking. 
[23:04:36] <halfak>	 I'll go do some more digging elsewhere. 
[23:04:42] <Nettrom>	 there were questions about how it would handle users who were welcomed with a warning, or if it would welcome users as well
[23:07:06] <accraze>	 cool, taking a look at it now halfak
[23:19:38] <groceryheist>	 Nettrom: do you have some documentation of this?
[23:20:53] <wikibugs>	 (03CR) 10Accraze: [C: 03+2] Updates for revscoring 2.6.2 and some models. [services/ores/deploy] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/558719 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T240725) (owner: 10Halfak)
[23:21:37] <accraze>	 halfak: i forget, is there no jenkinsbot to do verify on the deploy repo?
[23:23:17] <Nettrom>	 groceryheist: documentation of the research project?
[23:24:55] <groceryheist>	 yeah and specifically of people's concern about red links
[23:29:10] <groceryheist>	 Netrom oh i'm seeing the links you posted above
[23:29:30] <Nettrom>	 I have a googledoc with a summary of the experiment somehwere too, let me see what's in it
[23:32:09] <groceryheist>	 ok yeah it doesn't seem like people were explicitly concerned about turning redlinks blue.
[23:32:57] <groceryheist>	 maybe we'll need to run a quick survey if we need to find evidence that people use anon or redlinks to find edits to review.