[14:01:45] BAM BAM BAM MORNING GUYS! [14:43:41] morning :-) [14:44:08] drdee: I am wondering, are you consuming the api.log file on fluorine? That logs all action made to the MediaWiki API [14:46:00] we consume all traffic through udp2log so yes we get API traffic but not directly from fluorine [14:49:16] ah [14:49:34] drdee: I made a change that would optionally let us split the 'api' debug log group in smaller parts [14:49:40] such as 'api-opensearch' [14:49:52] not sure how it would impact you if we ever the change and enable that in production [14:49:58] change is at https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/37430/ [14:50:13] drdee: if you could give your thought about how it can potentially impact analytics, that would be great [14:53:00] i'lll look at it, hold on [14:58:45] morning ottomata [14:58:58] hey morning [15:33:24] morning! [15:33:35] moooooooorninug [15:33:53] shall we first work a bit on the limn slides? [15:34:00] maybe in a hangout? [15:35:07] can you access asana.com [15:35:08] ? [15:38:57] milimetric ^^ [15:43:28] hey drdee [15:43:32] yeah, let's do it [17:16:16] asana looks great [17:19:44] asana's pretty cool hashar: we're currently trying to add velocity to it via tags and custom scripts. A friend of dschoon's and mine is one of the first employees there [17:21:09] I was looking for a task management system [17:21:16] a flat text file does not work for me :/ [17:21:20] nor bugzilla and tracking bugs [17:21:28] will give it a try [17:31:09] here data peeps, have some MIT student sleep data. [17:31:09] http://tech.mit.edu/V132/N59/pressure/sleepinghours/index.htm [17:44:20] nice one RobH [17:46:10] graduate students tends to get to bed earlier [17:55:48] seniors party hard. [18:00:51] milimetric: are we standing up? [18:01:11] yea [18:01:15] I'm here [18:01:22] but otto and dsc are out [18:01:28] drdee's running a bit late [18:02:18] erosen, I'm just hacking at the slides though, and probably we'll be limn-ing it up so I'd skip it unless you wanna see our pretty faces :) [18:02:40] i'm fine to skip [18:02:43] i'm sort of in a meeting anyway [18:02:49] we'll just check in for friday demo [18:03:26] cool [18:48:25] ok, average_drifter, drdee [18:48:31] i think varnish logging is working from blog.wikimedia.org now [18:48:32] yo [18:48:41] I've gotten logs over on stat1 originating from there [18:48:42] but [18:48:45] average_drifter is not around :( [18:48:48] ah rats [18:48:52] they don't come though very often [18:49:01] i'm watching the logs that should be sent vs the ones I'm seeing on stat1 [18:49:15] just from blog.wikimedia.org ? [18:49:23] can you put something on a private gist? [18:49:25] ya [18:49:36] ok, here's a good example: [18:50:43] https://gist.github.com/a2fec60fc68f048924eb [18:51:58] okay i gotta relocate, back in 20 minutes [18:52:03] k [19:51:34] drdee: hi [19:51:44] hey [19:52:39] I'm still working on them bugs [19:53:27] ottomata: hey [19:53:36] hi [19:53:54] ottomata: can we deploy webstatscollector and udp-filters ? [19:54:02] ottomata: they seem to be working ok [19:54:05] average_drifter, drdee, do we need the whole stream? [19:54:14] on a friday eve, hmmmmm dunno bout that :) [19:54:20] hehehee [19:55:41] changing locs, only working for a bit more today, be back in a bit [20:48:15] ping ottomata [20:51:51] ponnnggg [20:52:45] do you need the unsampled log stream for blog stats? [21:03:07] yup :) [21:04:20] ping milimetric, i have been shuffling the slide deck, please have a look [21:04:28] cool [21:04:33] we doing the demo thing? [21:04:39] i'm on the hangout [21:04:41] i was gonna ask the same thing [21:04:43] k [21:04:50] i have nothing to demo :) [21:05:20] same.. [21:06:40] in that case, I'm'a head to lunch with my sister, who is in town for today [21:06:51] sorry to leave you alone in there dan [21:13:28] aight [21:31:40] drdee robla doesn't seem to be around [21:31:50] but he's sometimes late so I'll ping you if/when [21:32:12] k [21:39:17] drdee, https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/b36ce46a70bd1cde54ba534db3e8136486f866c5 [21:39:23] come on in :) [22:39:03] milimetric: ping [22:51:49] later guys [23:38:04] erosen: do you have a link handy to the user class definitions that EZ mentioned during the analyst scrum? [23:38:21] hmm [23:38:26] you mean the analytics definitions [23:38:50] http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Analytics/Metric_definitions [23:39:05] yes, excellent [23:39:11] cool [23:40:00] do you know what "on countable pages" means? [23:40:23] http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Analytics/Metric_definitions#Countable_pages [23:40:36] sounds like an article [23:41:47] so anything other than special pages? [23:42:11] I cannot make sense of "in mainspace on countable pages" [23:42:27] what's a countable page in ns0 ? [23:42:33] anything that is not a redirect? [23:42:39] a redirect is countable [23:42:42] and has a page_id [23:42:48] hmm [23:42:58] same for deleted pages [23:45:01] well the criterion of a countable page looks a bit broader than just an "article" [23:45:13] i'm not sure about the rationale for the internal wikilink [23:45:27] it makes sense that there would be pages with a wikilink that are not in ns0 [23:45:40] I'm having a harder time thinking of something in ns0 that has no wikilink [23:45:50] but you should definitely e-mail erik [23:45:56] I guess I should ask EZ, this is precisely the kind of ambiguity that we need to squash [23:46:05] hehe [23:46:06] yup [23:46:24] I'll share a note on http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research:Metrics, I've been working on restructuring it a little bit [23:46:37] but I want first to dump all existing definitions from various places [23:47:00] good call [23:47:06] oh wait [23:47:22] I hand;t see the definition section on countable pages [23:47:33] that sucks, this varies across projects [23:47:53] we should never rely IMO on this definition for user-level metrics [23:48:29] the 1 wikilink criterion is a config flag that some projects may or may not set to true [23:49:09] yeah [23:49:11] I can give you some background on the community discussion if interested, I hadn;t realized this is what EZ was using [23:49:21] k cool, problem solved