[00:00:08] Ironholds: but you should be able to group them by factors and then geom_smooth should render independently [00:00:11] qchris: No, you actually seem to be pretty smart. And others seem to respect the work you've done with Gerrit and in ops. [00:00:25] qchris: But I've been around a long time. I watched the previous drama(s). [00:00:30] tho tbh I was more of a fan of doing the regression myself then passing the fitted values to ggplot [00:00:32] less magic [00:00:36] OpenWebAnalytics, dsc, Kraken, etc. [00:00:50] Elsie ... curious why I did not see that bug in my bugmail ... [00:01:02] protonk, y'd think. [00:01:03] Elsie oh "Datasets" [00:01:06] It started out in the Analytics project and then got moved. [00:01:14] But I don't think you're default CC'd on either. [00:01:27] I copied Toby. [00:01:31] and, re doing regression yourself; sure, but slightly more effort. [00:01:43] I made the mistake of trying to refactor this entire project. [00:01:46] that was in September! [00:01:48] oh lol [00:01:59] I've almost finished replicating the functionality I have on master. [00:02:00] qchris: Anyway, analytics seems to easily get overwhelmed and consequently nothing gets done. [00:02:13] Small, discrete tasks seem like a good idea to me. [00:02:13] We're starting to get things done. [00:02:24] :-) [00:02:32] But Rome wasn't built in a day. [00:02:33] When we're no longer relying solely on Domas' work from 2008, I'll believe you. ;-) [00:02:40] Ironholds: it's also a plumbing and porcelain thing. you'll be happy you did once you do [00:02:44] Elsie: Hahahaa [00:02:45] that reminds me, I need to take a look at the pageview UAs. [00:02:45] Elsie: check this out, there's a school of thought in opensource(especially on CPAN) that has a motto [00:02:48] protonk, yeah, that's my thinking [00:02:52] on the one hand, it's been a total pain [00:02:54] Elsie: 0 [00:02:58] Elsie: https://twitter.com/joefiorini/statuses/246623494132097024 [00:03:04] on the other, it means that once I present and someone goes "you should factor in X", I just...write X. [00:03:04] * Elsie clicks. [00:03:09] no trying to hook it into 30 other things. [00:03:15] average: :-) [00:03:20] create a new child class and roll with it. [00:03:22] Elsie: on the bug ... webstatscollector does not directly allow to export that data. [00:03:30] Elsie: It filters traffic a lot. [00:03:40] I didn't file that bug under Webstatscollector. [00:03:45] Perhaps it should be moved back. [00:03:55] The analytics bugs are a mess... [00:03:58] Component "Webstatscollector" :-) [00:04:07] Yeah, I filed it under Analytics --> General/Unknown. [00:04:21] Yes, that was Nemo ... you're right. [00:04:29] I told you I am stupid :-) [00:04:34] Elsie: if you want to do something, report a bug and/or submit a patch, and things can evolve from that point onwards. I'm pretty sure submitting a patch would actually get you much more (even if the patch is incomplete/wrong) [00:04:51] average: I forget who you are. [00:05:14] Elsie: thanks [00:05:23] average: In any case, I've been loosely involved with this area for a long time. [00:05:27] Elsie: So ... yes ... that a nice doable project. But with our techdebt backlog ... I doubt we can provide something like that soon :-( [00:05:35] qchris: What comes first? [00:05:51] For example monitoring of a few things. [00:06:00] Agreeing on what a "pageview" is. [00:06:02] average: I've seen a mountain of waste (in terms of hiring/firing staff, purchasing hardware, etc.). [00:06:05] ... [00:06:37] average: It isn't really about submitting patches. [00:09:55] There was some other contractor who was doing analytics work. [00:09:59] I forget his name, though. [00:10:28] The curse of the contractors: People forget them :-) [00:10:50] Elsie: Anyways ... totally escalate with tnegrin. He's the one that has to decide on priorities. [00:11:03] He seems to have disappeared from Bugzilla. [00:11:07] As management so often does... [00:11:07] Your request mentions visitors ... I am not sure if we have anything rolated to visitors implemented yet. [00:11:17] Who makes pageviews? [00:11:19] Non-visitors? [00:11:44] But "number of visitors" != "number of page views" [00:11:56] If I visit three pages ... :-) [00:12:26] I doubt it's important to get caught up in terminology and semantics. Any stats would be better than the current situation. [00:12:55] Oh ... sorry ... I was taking the request rather word-for-word. [00:13:04] "Number of requests" would be easy ... [00:13:17] I'm trying to figure out if www.wikimedia.org gets 1 visitor a day or 1 million. [00:13:21] Right now we have no idea. [00:13:55] If we can push you down to daily updates [00:14:10] It would get even simpler ... [00:14:29] I'll chime in on the bug. [00:14:30] average_drifter [00:14:39] I think that was the contractor's name. [00:15:05] yes, the nameless contractor [00:15:06] hi Elsie [00:15:20] Real name: Stefan Petrea [00:15:31] tnegrin: Hi. :-) [00:15:47] average: Is that you? Or are you a different average? [00:16:14] tnegrin: qchris and I were discussing https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=57828 [00:16:29] yes -- I have read the bug but haven't commented :( [00:17:17] Ah, same person. [00:17:51] qchris: is that data Elsie wants in the webstatscollector files or do we filter it? [00:18:30] tnegrin: We cannot get the data from webstatscollector. But it would be easy to filter from the sampled-1000 files if we can trim his request down a bit. [00:18:43] I am just writing a response on the bug. [00:18:47] ok -- thanks [00:19:07] tnegrin: Enjoying the Wikimedia Foundation so far? [00:19:11] (Are you in SF?) [00:19:16] yes on both counts [00:19:20] Nice. [00:19:31] I'll be out there next month for the architecture summit. [00:19:41] totally -- just starting to work a bit more with the community [00:19:51] great -- looking forward to meeting you [00:35:13] * qchris waves. Good night everyone :-) [14:28:39] (PS1) Milimetric: Pageview update [analytics/reportcard/data] - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/99396 [14:28:51] (CR) Milimetric: [C: 2 V: 2] Pageview update [analytics/reportcard/data] - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/99396 (owner: Milimetric)