[10:57:35] <jynus>	 So, here it is a tip for database requests: If all of them are priority:high, "high" just becomes "normal"
[10:57:39] <jynus>	 :-)
[11:04:49] <JohnFLewis>	 jynus: where to triage tickets fall in on that scale? :)
[11:05:17] <jynus>	 ^sorry, didn't get that
[11:05:42] <JohnFLewis>	 Never mind :)
[11:06:06] <jynus>	 gotcha, well, technically, being this week on clinic duty, it should be "high" this week
[11:06:12] <jynus>	 :-)
[11:07:24] <jynus>	 there are some workflow issues, globally, not only only in Databases or ops, will try to improve that
[19:54:25] <Krenair>	 jynus, hey, https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Schema_changes/Coordination_proposal seems fine but I wonder what you mean by "created by developers, deployed by the deployment team, and over-sighted by operations and performance teams, without a hard dependency on DBAs, like any other piece of code, but that is not technically possible now."
[19:55:12] <Krenair>	 not technically possible because developers typically aren't trained on how to do these properly or don't have the relevant mysql permissions?
[19:55:18] <jynus>	 that is not part of the short term proposla
[19:55:25] <jynus>	 that is a wich for the future
[19:55:31] <Krenair>	 yes
[19:55:34] <jynus>	 *wish
[19:55:37] <Krenair>	 I understand that
[19:56:02] <jynus>	 it it technically possible to deploy schema changes as we do deploy code
[19:56:05] <jynus>	 with a tool
[19:56:13] <jynus>	 we just do not have that tool
[19:56:17] <Krenair>	 ah.
[19:56:20] <Krenair>	 okay
[19:56:27] <jynus>	 we hace scripts that I use
[19:56:39] <jynus>	 checking every case separatelly
[19:57:03] <jynus>	 chosing if using one or another script and praying that things do not break
[19:57:24] <jynus>	 it should be possible, with some engineering, make a "schema scap"
[19:57:52] <jynus>	 it is just my excuse for, "sorry, this is what we have now"
[19:58:38] <jynus>	 LGTM, which is better than the false documentation than we have now
[19:59:42] <jynus>	 maybe not evend doing any online change, just a switchover- but thare are so many blockers right now!
[20:00:16] <jynus>	 row based replication, GTIDs, proxying