[10:10:07] Hey tonythomas, did you see Marina's email? [10:11:43] Niharika: I did see that. I was just wondering who should reply :D [10:12:05] hey Niharika I got to quit lab for an hour. I will brb. [10:14:47] tonythomas: No worries. I can reply to it. I don't think we need to ask for allowing repeat participation in Outreachy, but I'm keen on what you and qgil think on this. [10:15:11] I don't know any Samuel Tarling. Do any of you know him? [10:42:45] Niharika: back. [10:43:31] yeah. I googled on that name, and hit - http://blog.wikimedia.org/2015/10/14/bug-reports-and-feature-requests/ [11:12:54] Niharika: qgil : we will need an Outreachy project too in phab ? [11:22:19] andre__: I would've spammed inbox of you three with title changes :D [11:37:03] Niharika, tonythomas hi, we have been treating GSoC and Outreachy equally, and I don't see any reason to have a different rule for Outreachy if they are fine with the max 3 years idea. [11:37:22] tonythomas, yes, Outreachy project in phab. [11:38:03] qgil: true. in that case, one of us should be replying to Marina ! [11:38:45] tonythomas, since you are the org admin, I think it should be you. :) [11:38:56] qgil: alright. I will do that :) [11:39:29] tonythomas, but wait, I don't want to step in Niharika 's shoes and she had expressed other opinions. [11:39:38] I am just giving my personal opinion, that's all. :) [11:39:50] true. wait( Niharika ). [11:40:43] SamTar https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/p/Samtar/ he contacted me some weeks ago. He is interested in ways to contribute. Didn't mention anything about mentoring, and he (or anybody) should not be a mentor before having committed to a project with students in Phabricator. [11:42:13] qgil: okey in that case. I dont know how the Outreachy application system even accepted that request, as the round 11 is already in motion [12:13:45] tonythomas, ah, then nevermind. It must have been his misunderstanding. Marina can just ignore the request. [12:38:45] Hey tonythomas, qgil. So my main reason behind saying that we don't need to ask for allowing repeat participation in Outreachy is that it's a rule imposed by the Outreachy folks and I thought we should play by their rules. :) But if they are happy to lift the participation limit, and you both agree, then I'd be happy with the idea of repeat participation in [12:38:45] Outreachy as well. [12:41:53] Another thing is Outreachy provides an excellent platform for introducing women to open source. There's little competition and chances of selection are good (from personal experience). With repeat participation, we'll have more competition. Although I hope we can eliminate that factor by having more projects and budget for more students. [14:53:06] GSoC admins this year are Niharika and Tonythomas IIRC? [14:53:33] * andre__ has some spare time today as the Phab update has been moved to next week hence working on the GSoC16 wiki page etc [14:54:31] andre__: Awesome, thank you for that! I'm a backup admin in case we don't find anyone else, I think. [14:54:51] andre__: hey :) [14:54:57] Hey hey folks! [14:55:19] it almost looks like it! ( /me is excited to join the team ) [14:55:54] so my question still remains: Who are the Outreachy12 and GSoC2016 org admins? If anybody knows. I can also leave that blank for now... [14:56:09] I'm sure I've asked this before. But... brain and remembering things. :( [14:58:46] Heh. that is tricky. qgil sends me an email few days before asking me if I am interested in org admin-ing, and I told him Yes!!. So, it looks like I am involved. [14:59:25] :D [15:02:10] tonythomas: say "Yes I will" on https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T125631#2014908 :D [15:05:21] andre__: done. gosh. this is difficult :D [15:06:15] tonythomas, thanks :) [15:06:35] andre__: welcome! [15:11:53] so Niharika, qgil : I am sending in the mail to marina, telling her that we will be allowing multiple chances in Outreachy too. okey ;) [15:15:17] tonythomas: errm, there *is* an upstream rule in Outreachy that people can only participate once. [15:15:43] tonythomas, I don't think that one participating org can just change the rules of the contest they participate in. At least that is my understanding. [15:16:00] https://wiki.gnome.org/Outreachy#Eligibility says "we unfortunately can't accept past participants of Outreachy" [15:16:33] andre__: yeah. and we recieve this email from Marina ( handling Outreachy for Gnome ) telling us that they are ready to flex the rules for us, considering we are funding our own participants [15:16:44] Ah! *That* was the part I wasn't aware of. [15:16:55] tonythomas, Okay. Sorry for the noise then. And thanks for clarifying. [15:17:08] she came across - http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/wiki/wikitech/677351 -- and asked if we would be allowing the same in outreachy too. [15:17:14] cool cool [15:18:09] well. Right now I am bit confused. I want to know how our approach would be to : [15:18:24] 1) candidate who already did one Outreachy with other organization, applying for Wikimedia this year [15:18:41] 2) candidate who already did one Outreachy with Wikimedia, applying again with Wikimedia this year [15:18:45] both would be same ? [15:20:51] qgil: Niharika ? [15:23:25] tonythomas: Keeping it same for both will be less confusing. One clarification - Marina did not say they will flex the rules for us, she said that she will discuss it among the Outreachy admins. [15:23:41] Niharika: FYI, you'll need to relogin into Phab as I just renamed you ( see https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T124059 ) [15:23:53] andre__: Woot! Thanks. :D [15:23:56] yw [15:24:54] andre__: I was logged in using MediaWiki. Should I login the same way? [15:25:41] Niharika: I think so, yeah. The usual way [15:25:50] Please try and see what explodes. :P [15:26:40] Nothing went boom so far. Yay! [15:26:42] Niharika: true that. [15:27:02] but enabling (1) would make us the only organization which allows such a thing [15:27:19] and a target of all OPW past interns :D [15:27:54] tonythomas: If Outreachy admins agree to do this, they'll probably do it for all orgs, not just ours. That's my guess. [15:28:28] in that case, it might be a huge change ( which reduce its possibility of happening ) [15:30:16] Doing an exception for us might raise eyebrows from other orgs. [15:31:39] exactly. maybe the (2) can be done more easily though [15:32:56] I would want to know that before replying to Marina's email [15:33:17] her question " whether you would want Outreachy interns who did an internship with another org to then be eligible to apply with Wikimedia. " [15:47:13] and andre__ one more thing : applying for GSoC 16 in summerofcode.withgoogle.com asks me for my T-Shirt size and etc. You sure I'm the one who should be doing this ? :D [15:48:33] tonythomas: Lets wait for qgil to respond to this. [15:48:46] tonythomas: Have we found a secondary admin yet? [15:48:57] Niharika: exactly. I feel someone with atleast @wikimedia.org email id should be doing the same [15:49:38] tonythomas: No, no. Go ahead and apply for GSoC 16! You're the right one to do that. I was talking about replying to Marina's email. [15:50:15] tonythomas: There might be a bunch of questions that need answering there though. I might have access to the same questions from last round. Let me check. [15:50:36] Niharika: Thanks. it would be great! [15:52:03] and I'm compying things from https://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/org2/google/gsoc2015/wikimedia [15:53:29] tonythomas, are you applying as an org or as a person? [15:53:35] I don't know. It's a new website. [15:53:38] Google might know. [15:54:05] If you as a person apply to get your org accepted, you probably have an org part to fill out and a person part to fill out. [15:56:52] it is. I am applying as an organization, and its asking bit of my personal info in "Your Details" part [15:56:54] which I am filling :) [16:02:32] andre__: Niharika : basic registration of organization completed ( whcih asked only Organization Name ) [16:03:16] tonythomas: Great. What's next? [16:03:33] and now I see almost 10k of questions awaiting in different levels [16:03:34] :o [16:05:34] Questions such as? :o [16:06:26] Niharika: I think I will paste it somewhere and we can collaborately fill. [16:06:35] calls for a google-docs task [16:06:38] tonythomas: Okay, good idea. [16:06:58] I can copy over the answers from last round. (I hope they're the same questions :/) [16:07:16] okey! I too hope so ! [16:19:07] Niharika: thats it! Too many questions :) [16:19:24] tonythomas: Filling it up! Help me. :P [16:19:43] okey. The details part are easy I guess : ) [16:21:42] andre__: you wanna join us in filling the Google Doc ? [19:53:05] tonythomas, Niharika I agree that Wikimedia should not be an exception in Outreachy. If they are asking us our opinion to have a change of rule in Outreachy, I think following GSoC's change is a good idea. If they asking whether we want to be the exception, no, we don't. [19:53:44] (I don't see why Wikimedia would have a problem taking a good candidate repeating in Outreachy as long as she is an eligible candidate, meaning as long as Outreachy would allow to do so)