[00:43:26] tonythomas: still around? the task you've linked does it require Andre's approval or just needs to be published :P ? [03:03:54] tonythomas: Thanks, published! [08:29:56] srishakatux: heh. actually its just to get it published, but andre__ usually does some kinda magic to the tasks, so that it would look great for kids! [08:30:13] andre__: btw, our (black) money have arrived at the destination \m/ [08:36:14] Hi, did anyone reply to kaartic yesterday? [08:38:29] tonythomas: oh nice! Now good luck with turning that into valid bills... :-/ [08:39:00] No, kaartic left too quickly here :( [08:39:06] andre__: yeah. the govt just changed the upper limit of Dec 30 to something else. I dont know, but my parents might be able to get through. [08:39:17] I too was trying to reply to kaartic, but found he left soon. [08:39:29] I am wondering how he landed up in #wikimedia-devrel firstly [08:39:55] He landed first in #wikimedia-tech, no idea how. [08:40:08] I suggested him to ask here. [08:40:21] He actually pinged me. I guess he comes recommended by someone. [08:42:59] hmm. happens. [16:13:48] andre__: Who's a good person to talk to about some concerns I had regarding the session scheduling for Dev Summit? Rachel or Quim? [16:14:46] Niharika: personally I'd start with Quim [16:14:54] (y) [16:15:21] not sure how much he's on IRC these days though - email or proprietary chat might work better [17:00:51] Niharika: you can talk to me too :) I'm on the planning committee. [17:01:14] did we put too things head to head that will be a major problem? [17:01:20] *two [17:06:09] ah, true... [17:07:20] bd808: I see some high interest proposals schedule alongside. Like "Scaling the Wikimedia database schema" and "Developing community norms for vital bots and tools". [17:07:35] Both of which have considerable interest (looking at phablet tickets) [17:07:45] Phab* [17:07:56] everything that got a schedule slot has pretty high interest [17:08:59] bd808: True but sometimes both scheduled proposals are highly technical in nature and sometimes neither are. [17:09:37] Like Platforms are Products too! and Bringing "Enterprise MediaWiki" to the Wikimedia Foundation are both not of very technical nature (as far as I understand it) while in my earlier example both are. [17:10:03] actually I think both of those are extremely technical [17:10:20] but maybe I have a different view of the world [17:10:46] * bd808 is pulling up the schedule [17:11:37] Niharika: so do you have an idea of a less conflicting organization? [17:11:45] bd808: When I say technical, I mean they won't be of high interest to non-developers (say Danny). [17:12:07] Hi, I'm following here, except that I'm about to enter a movie theater for the next couple of hours. :) [17:12:21] quimgil[m]1: I hope to see Rogue One :) [17:12:49] "I, Daniel Blake" [17:13:33] Niharika: I'll share my opinion later. [17:13:40] quimgil[m]1: heh. so the complete opposite :) [17:14:15] bd808: Maybe pile stuff into two vague buckets on what's more important to someone who's more focused on the development side (say me) vs someone who won't be interested in stuff like that at all (thinking of Danny but could be lot many more). [17:14:30] And schedule them alongside. Just a suggestion. [17:14:35] quimgil[m]1: Enjoy. :) [17:14:48] I see your point, but also this is the "developer summit" :) [17:15:41] That's true. Maybe the other way to schedule them better is "high-interest" along with "low-interest" ones. [17:16:08] low interest didn't make the schedule yet. That is what the unconference slots are for (3 other rooms) [17:16:57] I'm not saying you are wrong in wanting some things shifted, but I'm not sure I agree with your current description of the conflicts [17:17:20] bd808: Something like "Media, Visualizations, and Layout" would be pretty low interest. Hardly any subscribers and no tokens. [17:18:38] YOu should have been on the committee instead of me ;) [17:19:12] Yeah, it's kinda hazy but I'm hoping we don't get too dramatic an audience split for important sessions to have less than favorable outcomes from those. This is a good opportunity to hear a lot many voices and if people need to pick one of two proposals which are both important to them, doesn't feel so good. :) [17:19:19] I will apply next time! :P [17:20:28] the M,V,L slot is actually a rollup of 5 proposals. If you dig down there are quite a few tokens and subscribers [17:20:52] I have no idea how all 5 will get coverage in 90 minutes, but that's cscott's problem [17:23:25] That's right but IIRC tokens was supposed to be a way to indicate interest in DevSummit proposals i.e. those with #wikimedia-developer-simmit(2017) tag. [17:23:48] Not saying it's not an important proposal. [17:23:51] It definitely is. [17:25:57] Never mind, I think all 5 of those had the tag but was removed or something. [17:29:44] Yeah, I'm pretty sure all 5 were at one point stand alone proposals and then cscott decided that instead of picking 1 he would cram them all together [20:51:41] thinking of changing my phabricator profile picture. Sadly it gives you only 50x50 ? [20:51:43] how sad [21:18:17] ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ [21:27:02] andre__: take a look at https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T153906#2894644 [21:33:23] tonythomas, looks like a GCI task? :P [21:33:40] andre__: I see mutliple GCI tasks there though. [21:33:57] I am thinking of pinging someone else who might be able to mentor those small tasks [21:34:09] already sent an email to Tina [21:36:18] that would be cool. and she's already registered [22:00:29] andre__: true. [22:36:46] If today you think that you will have a hard time choosing between two sessions, just be prepared for a "worst" scenario on Monday, Jan 9. :) [22:37:37] argh, I posted several comments that apparently didn't make it to the channel [22:37:45] Repeating: [22:37:54] Niharika, I have compared (roughly) the subscribers and the users who gave tokens to Database schema and Community norms, and considering the amount of people supporting each proposal I think the overlap is relatively small. [22:38:03] Sure, some people will be interested in both, but that will happen with popular sessions no matter what. [22:38:12] Platforms are products and Enterprise Mediawiki also show a relatively small overlap. [22:38:19] Niharika, cscott (a main topic facilitator and program committee member) was quite determined in merging sessions and he got no opposition from the people proposing those sessions. Wikitext 2.0 and Media... are both backed by several supporters in the former proposals. [22:38:27] Niharika, I don't think the current schedule is perfect, but we have thought hard about better combinations, we implemented several (see page history) but in the last days we have declined several proposals because while they might solve one problem, they create other indirectly. [22:38:38] As bd808 reminds us, the Unconference sessions will be scheduled as well, and that might bring up to 5 simultaneous sessions. [22:38:49] If today you think that you will have a hard time choosing between two sessions, just be prepared for a "worst" scenario on Monday, Jan 9. :) [22:40:08] qgil: speaking of which #wikimedia-office is discussing arch comm and dev summit right now if you are interested [22:43:46] bd808, thanks! lurking now