[09:53:05] i need a mentor for gsocfor redesigning the website of wikipedia [17:53:46] hi all [17:54:30] i am a student and i wish to participate in the outreachy internship [17:58:20] hi... [18:02:25] Hi math-alpha_! [18:02:57] Hi math-alpha! [18:03:01] Have you checked https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Outreachy/Round_14 already? [18:03:53] hi andre long time :) [18:04:15] yes i checked but need to talk to a mentor [18:04:37] The mentor(s) depend on the project that you have in mind :) [18:04:55] i think i will work on the php quiz [18:05:12] or do you advise another one? [18:05:51] I cannot advise anything as I don't know your exact field of interest. (I do know though that quite some people have already expressed interest in the Quiz extension, so there is some competition) [18:06:42] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Outreach_programs/Life_of_a_successful_project should cover most of the process :) [18:09:34] andre_ i started working on https://incubator.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wp/byv [18:10:11] do you think it can make a project to include more Cameroonian languages? [18:10:31] i mean language maybe "wikilang" [18:12:03] oh, good question. If you can come up with a good well-written proposal that explains the scope and what you'd like to achieve (in a measurable way) you could certainly try, but it of course also depends on finding a potential mentor :) [18:13:06] yes please do you want? [18:13:55] Heh, I'd first need to know better what you'd like to achieve and how :) [18:14:12] I cannot judge if I'm able to mentor something without knowing what exactly it is :) [18:14:36] That's why I said that a good and well-written proposal is important [18:14:51] plus I'm afraid I don't know any languages in Cameroon so I won't be good in evaluating success :-/ [18:17:47] hmm i will make a proposal [18:18:29] by tomorrow evening surely [18:19:23] Yay! [18:19:36] andre_ if not busy, i have some project i will like us to talk about [18:20:02] other projects this time not language but biology [18:20:09] I don't know if I'm the right person, but feel free to share here [18:20:21] hmm a project? [18:20:57] if an idea is in scope for Outreachy and you manage to find a mentor and your project description is good and clear, there is always a good chance :) [18:21:33] ok its about taxonomy [18:22:31] ie creating a scheme for the identification, classification, diagnostic features and all the rest [18:36:45] andre__ : ping [18:47:03] math-alpha, pong? :) [18:47:16] If you have a question, please ask it :) [18:47:35] ok its about taxonomy [18:47:39] ie creating a scheme for the identification, classification, diagnostic features and all the rest [18:49:43] *If* you expect me to comment on that (not sure): I have no idea about that topic and the current situation on some Wikipedia sites or such and what is there to fix, so I personally cannot give any feedback [18:50:30] oh please i need help :( [18:51:08] let's talk about what you like but please i want to work [19:05:22] ok andre__ thanks for your help :( [19:06:18] math-alpha: I don't think I can offer any project that is in my area currently, sorry :-/ [19:06:38] but I hope you will find something interesting! :) [19:07:16] yes direct me please [19:08:07] math-alpha: How? It's not that I'd have a better overview than what's listed on the wiki. [19:08:34] I cannot make you find out what you are interested in. That's entirely up to you :) [19:09:25] i mean another mentor :) [19:09:35] * ander__ [19:09:44] * andre__ [19:10:14] Mentors depend on topics. [19:10:25] It's not that anybody could mentor anything. Good mentoring requires skills in an area. [19:10:45] and it's not that I new all those thousands of people in the Wikimedia movement. [19:10:49] s/new/knew/ [19:11:31] so for your biology idea, you would probably need to reach out in the corresponding WikiProjects [19:12:06] I might be able to name potential mentors, but that first requires knowing better what you'd like to work on. [19:12:53] yes the taxonomy stuff [19:13:11] i will be glad to talk to one of them [19:17:43] math-alpha, taxonomy on which site? [19:18:36] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taxonomy [19:18:39] would that be something programming code related? Or setting up categories on some Wikimedia website without changing code? As I said before, it needs to be clearer what your initial idea is [19:19:02] I know what a taxonomy is so I won't read the Wikipedia article the meaning of the word :) [19:19:18] so that's again about coming up with a clear project idea. [19:19:44] yes programming [19:19:45] and as I've mentioned that before, I'll now have to go back to some other work I have to do, and look forward to your project proposal :) [19:19:59] thanks :) [19:20:15] then you probably have to explain which exact problem you want to solve by "creating a scheme" (whatever that means) :) [19:20:29] yes if you have time [19:21:42] andre__ when ? [19:21:56] math-alpha: I don't see how I can help with that, and I've explained already why [19:22:02] tomorrow? or some day in the week [19:22:29] If you have an idea, I'd assume that you know *why* you have that idea (= a description of a problem to solve) [19:22:46] and I have not seen yet your description of the exact problem you want to solve, and why you think that there is a problem, basically. [19:22:51] that's something only you can start with [19:23:06] and it's mostly asking yourself "why?" when you try to put that into words. [19:23:22] but you seem not interested in the description [19:23:45] i have a scheme already [19:25:02] Feel free to provide the description of the problem, in that case :) A good project starts with the problem you want to solve. [19:25:16] (...and not necessarily with one potential solution) [19:27:44] for us student in offering biology as a subject, we often find it difficult to study broad subjects like taxonomy [19:28:58] Alright. How do you want to solve that problem? And how is it related to Wikipedia? :) [19:29:07] then my idea is to make a classification scheme [ wikimedia is for free education] like a DB which can be accessed easily [19:29:16] with a good GUI [19:30:02] math-alpha, isn't that what categories are for on Wikipedia? [19:30:06] ie this project will involve creating new api ie going further [19:30:12] or isn't there Wikispecies to cover that? [19:30:20] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Biological_classification and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Taxonomy_(biology) exist [19:30:34] and those categories have subcategories. [19:30:40] hence there is a taxonomy already? [19:31:01] also, what is the role of https://species.wikimedia.org/ in that context? [19:31:14] Those would be the first questions coming to my mind :) [19:32:03] yep somthing like that [21:41:07] chanop, please update the Topic to link the channel logs: http://wm-bot.wmflabs.org/logs/%23wikimedia-devrel/ [21:41:42] quiddity: but with https please ;) [21:42:37] huh. I was just copying from the page! I'll try to figure out the origin of how I arrived at the non-s version... [21:42:56] I think normally both will work through labs-proxy [21:43:52] the extension https-everywhere should've saved me. :/