[06:00:59] 07/30/2012 - 06:00:59 - User fastily may have been modified in LDAP or locally, updating key in project(s): bastion [06:01:21] 07/30/2012 - 06:01:21 - Updating keys for fastily at /export/keys/fastily [07:30:15] morning [08:13:28] Platonides: there it is easier for the ops :-) [08:13:43] nah, they're all sleeping now :) [09:01:35] petan: ping pong. if you are around, do you have anything on -bastion host? I would like to simply delete it [09:04:53] remember to document the steps :) [09:05:43] yes, we have have nfs::upload::labs [09:05:50] but puppet complained [09:06:08] I thought that perhaps nfs::upload::labs automatically inherited from nfs::upload [09:06:17] I don't really speak puppet [09:06:21] well not really [09:06:29] or we would need a nfs::upload::production [09:06:42] and have nfs::upload to include one or the other whith some if/else :-D [09:06:46] but ops don't want that [09:07:29] maybe it was bastion who was in both classes [09:07:37] might be [09:07:42] anyway I want to deleted that host :-) [09:08:51] we also need a bastion class I guess [09:09:13] probably [09:09:27] then we could create a new bastion just by using that class [09:10:22] btw, do we have a class which could be used to get a basic LAMP? [09:13:39] Platonides: if you or anyone gets around to doing that it would be great to get that setup working w/vagrant, which integrates with puppet [09:13:55] vagrant? [09:14:05] Platonides: there is ./role/labsmw.pp [09:14:19] ori-l, what's that? [09:14:19] Platonides: well that install mediawiki hmm [09:14:34] Platonides: webserver::php5-mysql or webserver::php5 probably [09:14:36] http://vagrantup.com/. basically spins up a local VM using virtualbox, but it's headless. "vagrant ssh" to ssh in, neat stuff like that [09:14:56] if you give it a puppet config it'll set up the VM accordingly. [12:12:08] Change on 12mediawiki a page OAuth was modified, changed by Dantman link https://www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?diff=566815 edit summary: /* Previous discussions */ [12:21:30] hashar: heya [12:21:45] paravoid: hello :-) [12:22:47] paravoid: wanna chat about some ugly hack I have done in puppet? https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/16661/ [12:23:02] trying to resolve rsyslog / syslog-ng conflicting to each other [12:29:44] er [12:29:46] not really :P [12:30:43] more seriously [12:30:46] let me have a look [12:30:59] this is blocking you, right? [12:32:24] paravoid: well it prevents us from collecting syslog [12:32:31] that has been the case since day 1 anyway :-D [12:32:51] I thought about replacing syslog-ng by rsyslog as a main log collector [12:33:11] afaik, syslog-ng is historical and we only use it in production for syslog collecting [12:33:22] whereas rsyslog is installed everywhere else to send the log to a remote host [12:34:46] (or we can do it the other way around and have syslog-ng everwhere) [12:35:51] yes, that was my idea as well [12:36:08] the easiest is to keep syslog-ng since it got a large conf file [12:36:16] whereas rsyslog has very tiny configuration files [12:36:32] but then I think rsyslog has more features / is well maintained [12:36:46] + I think rsyslog is default on ubuntu [12:38:49] petan: still around? May I phase out deployment-bastion which is corrupted or is there anything you need there? [12:39:04] iok [12:39:06] ok [12:39:30] paravoid: rsyslog is installed by 'ubuntu-minimal' as of Precise. [12:39:36] petan: yeahhh [12:39:50] petan: it apparently caused some awoke this week-end :-) [12:40:11] how [12:40:38] !log deployment-prep Deleting -bastion , was corrupted. [12:40:40] Logged the message, Master [12:43:33] !log deployment-prep Recreating deployment-bastion using a Precise image and s1.small (1CPU, 1GB RAM, 80G storage) [12:43:34] Logged the message, Master [12:47:32] Change on 12mediawiki a page OAuth/Issues was modified, changed by Dantman link https://www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?diff=566837 edit summary: /* Summary */ [12:48:18] !log deployment-prep Shutdowning deployment-nfs-memc for a while, will see if it is still needed around or if we can safely delete it (see {{bug|38084}}). All data should be on /data/project . [12:48:19] Logged the message, Master [13:00:00] <^demon> hashar: Happy monday :) [13:00:09] ^demon: you too :-] [13:00:11] <^demon> What do you think of new gerrit colors? http://gerrit-dev.wmflabs.org/r/#/q/status:merged,n,z [13:00:23] ahahah [13:00:28] I hate the blue :-] [13:00:47] <^demon> It's better than puke green :p [13:00:55] totally :-) [13:01:02] literal bikeshedding! [13:01:55] ^demon: could you make the table borders a bit darker ? #DBDCFF apparently [13:02:12] <^demon> No, I can't, that's CSS. [13:02:20] <^demon> This is all done with the theme settings. [13:02:26] ohhhhh [13:02:30] <^demon> We're trying to get a base color set that doesn't make you throw up :) [13:02:51] so go ahead with the blue. You have my support :)) [13:03:25] ^demon: also, could you customize the header to add the WMF logo ? [13:03:34] <^demon> We could. [13:03:51] ^demon: similarly can the header file be used to inject .css after the Gerrit css? [13:04:06] <^demon> Maybe with some Javascript trickery, been playing with it. [13:04:21] <^demon> I've been mainly trying to fix the underlying issue. Spent a lot of time Friday trying to dig into it. [13:05:19] <^demon> What I'd like to work on is getting gitlist packaged and deployed. [13:05:39] <^demon> That's a big thing. And since it has a sane repo listing, we could add a "Project list" link in the header along with the logo. [13:06:23] paravoid could set up a gitlist-source package [13:06:34] that would just install all the gitlist file somewhere like in /usr/share/site/gitlist or something [13:07:09] <^demon> paravoid: Is that something you could help me with? [13:07:31] it is, but I'm starting to get overbooked lately :) [13:07:42] <^demon> Join the club :) [13:07:46] welcome to the club:) [13:08:11] let me find out my notes about building a deb package [13:08:48] <^demon> paravoid: Basically, it's just a "copy some .tar.gz and extract it, plus some apache setup" No database or anything else fancy--but all the docs I read make it seem harder than it should be. [13:10:04] http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Petrb&diff=next&oldid=504265243 O.O [13:10:16] don't put the apache setup in the .deb [13:10:30] <^demon> Yeah, was gonna do that bit in puppet. [13:10:33] wmf labs logo is political-religious propagandist WTF [13:10:54] test [13:11:01] eh, nvm that test [13:11:31] <^demon> paravoid: So really, it's just "copy this tar and extract it somewhere" [13:11:42] petan: just ask that person a reference about the unicorn being a political/religious logo :-) [13:11:53] there is actually article on ENWP [13:12:05] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Invisible_Pink_Unicorn [13:12:17] ^demon: well, the deb shouldn't ship a tarball either :) [13:12:18] but it doesn't say it's propagandist logo [13:12:28] !log integration dist-upgrading psm-precise [13:12:29] Logged the message, Master [13:12:33] it just say that the religion uses similar unicorn as a logo [13:12:38] ^demon: you should probably ship the stuff as it is in the deb [13:13:01] petan: well just discard that message or reply asking him to argument about how it hurts anyone :-) [13:13:02] I didn't make that unicorn, I found it on commons :| [13:13:28] petan: well just reply that :) [13:13:42] <^demon> paravoid: The more I'm thinking, it might just be better to make puppet do it all rather than making a deb for it :p [13:14:09] puppet's fileserver is not really very good at shipping large or multiple files [13:14:33] <^demon> No, have puppet fetch the files. [13:14:49] from where? [13:15:15] <^demon> Either the upstream tar, or from a repo we own with Git::clone{} [13:15:27] the upstream tar is a bad idea [13:15:43] for security reasons [13:15:45] and imho :) [13:15:50] <^demon> Well, forking it to our repo might not be a bad idea. The code's not fantastic, so it'd give us a chance to make hacks. [13:16:11] <^demon> Then we control it, and puppet can just clone that. [13:17:15] <^demon> I could stash it in operations/software/gitlist or somesuch. [13:17:41] I guess that's sensible [13:17:45] or fork it on github? :-D [13:18:42] <^demon> Oh wow, he got really active the last couple of days https://github.com/klaussilveira/gitlist/commits/master :) [13:18:58] <^demon> Well, on the 25th. [13:22:05] so there is git-buildpackage [13:22:05] http://wiki.debian.org/PackagingWithGit/ [13:22:16] but it ask about a .dsc file which is supposed to describe a source package [13:22:22] no idea how to write such file :-D [13:38:20] paravoid: so what do we do for the rsyslog / syslog-ng stuff ? [13:38:42] paravoid: I guess the easiest is to apply the instancename hack [13:38:53] paravoid: and start up something to migrate from syslog-ng to rsyslog :) [13:41:15] ^demon: bha gitlist source code ship with Symfony / Silex / Twig and others! [13:42:58] <^demon> yeah, the code sucks. [13:44:37] I guess you could create an operations/debs/gitlist repo [13:47:37] <^demon> Ugh, the released version in the tar sucks. [13:48:04] <^demon> The version in git works. [13:48:14] Hrm. [13:48:25] ^demon: I am doing a basic package right now :-) [13:49:00] <^demon> We should just fork the damn thing. [13:49:08] fork what? [13:49:10] I'm trying to pull some github repos onto my labs instance, but I don't seem to have net access. [13:49:16] the whole gitlist in Gerrit ? :)) [13:49:46] jerith: well if you are connect to the instance, it get network access isn't it ? [13:49:57] jerith: maybe there is a default security rule that prevent instances to get out though [13:49:58] no idea [13:50:05] ^demon: dpkg-source: info: building gitlist using existing ./gitlist_0.2.orig.tar.gz [13:50:29] jerith@vumi:~/vumitest$ curl github.com [13:50:31] curl: (7) couldn't connect to host [13:52:01] I can connect to it through the bastion. [13:52:14] <^demon> hashar: That tar suckssss. [13:52:24] <^demon> It doesn't even recurse into the directory yet. [13:52:38] ^demon: make them tag a new version so ? :-] [13:52:46] though I could use some arbitrary sha1 [13:53:11] jerith: maybe GitHub has banned our labs IP address [13:53:24] hashar: I can't connect to google.com either. [13:53:38] ohh [13:53:52] let me try :) [13:53:59] <^demon> hashar: This is 0.2: http://gerrit-dev.wmflabs.org/repo/ [13:54:03] <^demon> Just finished installing by hand [13:54:31] jerith: yeah apparently my instance can't get out of labs too despite it having a rule to allow port 80 [13:55:00] though that might something else [13:55:02] I've definitely beeen able to connect to gtalk from there. [13:55:12] That's on a high port, though. [13:55:39] jerith: I have no idea how labs get out to the net. There must be some kind of shared PAT in front of it [13:55:55] no idea which box it lies on and I am pretty sure I don't have any access to it :-( [13:56:12] paravoid: apparently instances can not access the web on port 80 anymore (ex: curl -v www.yahoo.de ) [13:56:54] ^demon: so I build a debian package [13:57:00] ^demon: and it has no content :-) [13:57:00] Or 443 -- the github URL is on HTTPS. [13:57:19] jerith: do you have a bugzilla account? If so can you please open a bug? [13:57:25] I am not able to fix that issue for sure [13:57:26] I don't. [13:58:08] I'll poke preilly or someone later this evening. [14:00:06] hashar: works for me, it might be something with the new nodes and the network setup [14:00:24] <^demon> I'm not having any problems on the gerrit node, either [14:00:24] ...which I have no idea how it works [14:00:28] I can reproduce the issue on psm-precise a Precise box on 'integration' [14:01:35] yep, confirmed [14:01:50] jerith@vumi:~/vumitest$ telnet talk.google.com 5222 [14:01:50] Trying 74.125.134.125... [14:01:50] Trying 2001:4860:800a::7d... [14:01:51] telnet: Unable to connect to remote host: Network is unreachable [14:02:01] Yeah, that's definitely a new thing. [14:02:21] hm, psm-precise runs on virt1 though [14:02:31] that's strange [14:08:13] ^demon: I have asked for a new tagged version https://github.com/klaussilveira/gitlist/issues/123 [14:09:47] f*** Debian [14:09:50] grmblblb [14:10:00] hashar: that guy replied [14:10:01] http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Petrb&diff=next&oldid=504931210 [14:10:06] <3 debian [14:10:18] I can't find the latest Standards-Version anywhere :( [14:10:24] wut [14:10:48] I never heard of Standards :P [14:10:53] petan: I would just ignore him, or ask him to send that to the labs-l mailing list [14:11:00] ok [14:11:05] petan: If you are really evil, I guess that could be asked on foundation-l :-))) [14:11:18] then that will ensure a LOT of drama about us needing to be NPOV and so on :) [14:11:21] going to be a lot of fun [14:11:32] meanwhile, you might want to find another unicorn picture :))) [14:11:40] or that [14:11:46] I liked that [14:11:50] or all the christians / theist / whatever we keep harassing you to get the invisible unicorn to get removed :-((( [14:12:01] but this one is nice [14:12:06] :/ [14:12:07] but I would definitely try to start a nice drama thread on foundation-l / labs-l whatever [14:12:13] maybe we could change the color or something [14:12:17] yeah [14:12:27] make it the not-pink-visible unicorn :-)))))) [14:13:48] petan: something like the green unicorn like http://www.colourlovers.com/color/00FFD5/Hue_170_Degrees :) [14:13:58] petan: or we could make one that use the WMF colors [14:14:22] or start up a new context to have a nice unicorn designed. I will be happy to give out some of my personal money to build a prize for a new unicorn :) [14:15:01] I can't really make pictures, I am a coder not a painter :o [14:15:16] I was rather thinking of looking for another one on commons [14:15:27] well code a tool to load the palette and change pink to green ? :-D [14:15:34] heh [14:15:51] it's fading color [14:16:00] ohh [14:16:01] wouldn't be that simple [14:16:05] it is also a SVG file [14:16:07] yes [14:16:11] so you can change the colors using vim :) [14:16:17] heh [14:16:34] I don't understand svg at all [14:16:36] and upload it back on commons as a derived work [14:16:42] hmm [14:16:53] with a filename like VisibleNotPinkUnicorn.svg :D [14:18:36] or NotAPropagandistUnicornWhichIsNotAffiliatedToAnyWeirdGroupOfWeirdos.svg [14:18:43] petan: apparently just s/#ffc0cb/#00FFD5/ [14:18:48] ok [14:18:49] wanna do it or should I ? [14:18:57] if you feel bold, do it :D [14:19:10] I can change it but I don't know how to test it [14:19:13] how do I open svg [14:19:24] vim :) [14:19:29] ohh sorry [14:19:36] most browsers should be able to read the svg [14:19:40] hm... [14:19:42] firefox and safari definitely can [14:19:55] ok [14:20:28] uploading :) [14:20:29] how I download source [14:20:34] firefox download it as png [14:23:46] petan: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Visible_Green_Unicorn.svg [14:24:54] my opinion is that you're taking that complain far too seriously [14:25:04] ok [14:25:10] but that's just my opinion [14:26:09] petan: so just replace it with the new green unicorn :-]]] [14:26:17] hashar: I did [14:26:24] well done :-]] [14:26:52] (of course, my green version will be deleted soon by the commonists) [14:27:12] why :D [14:27:17] I can protect it :P [14:27:19] cause I forgot something ? :-))) [14:27:23] but that likely won't help [14:27:26] ^demon: so hmm I get a very basic package :) [14:27:29] categories. [14:27:34] heh [14:27:51] ^demon: but based out of v0.2 [14:27:53] (it is already tagged as "media lacking categories") [14:27:59] :D [14:28:12] we need to create [[Category:Labs]] [14:28:54] wait, let them delete it, and you can use the "unicorn.svg.which.does.not.exist.svg" [14:29:14] <^demon> hashar: What I'm gonna do instead is clone upstream, do the install steps like I would manually (so we get lib/), then push that to gerrit for use. [14:29:46] ^demon: in which repo ? puppet? [14:30:23] <^demon> Na, I'll make operations/software/gitlist [14:30:28] <^demon> And puppet can clone it [14:30:35] fine :)) [14:31:22] catted [[Category:Invisible Pink Unicorn]] [14:44:19] Amgine: thanks! [14:47:40] !log deployment-prep rebooting -bastion [14:47:41] Logged the message, Master [14:56:59] 07/30/2012 - 14:56:59 - Created a home directory for hashar in project(s): gerrit [14:57:59] 07/30/2012 - 14:57:59 - User hashar may have been modified in LDAP or locally, updating key in project(s): gerrit [15:00:10] !log deployment-prep deployment-bastion does not let us log in despite being a fresh instance. Logged as {{bug|38846}} [15:00:11] Logged the message, Master [16:12:48] !log gerrit applying puppetmaster::self to gerrit-puppet-overhaul [16:12:49] Logged the message, Master [16:51:46] ack. the labs unicorn changed colors [16:51:53] it's blue now! [16:52:07] pink > blue [16:52:12] heh [16:52:20] Name says it's green anyway >.> [16:52:32] that's not blue! [16:52:39] it's blueish green [16:52:48] * paravoid passes his ColorHug to Ryan [16:52:48] aquamarine? [16:56:08] paravoid: euca-reboot-instances didn't output anything for you/ [16:56:11] weird [16:56:13] it did [16:56:18] INSTANCE i-... [16:56:21] that's about it [16:56:27] that's normal [16:56:30] that means it rebooted [16:56:34] no it didn't :) [16:56:43] that means the reboot command was sent ;) [16:57:04] okay, but nothing happened [16:57:12] you looked at nova-api on virt2, right? [16:57:26] virt2? why would I check on virt2? [16:57:33] because that's where it lives [16:57:46] what is? [16:57:52] the api [16:58:04] there's a historical reason behind that [16:58:20] the metadata service lives in the api service [16:58:34] (which is thankfully changing in folsom, or did it change in essex?) [16:58:36] and how do you check where the api service lives? [16:58:49] nova-manage service list [16:59:01] nope [16:59:02] I did that [16:59:06] before I asked [16:59:09] ah. right. api service isn't listed [16:59:11] puppet? [16:59:13] heh [16:59:27] "ask Ryan!" [16:59:27] :P [16:59:30] /etc/nova/nova.conf [16:59:50] hm. nope [16:59:52] ec2_url? [16:59:53] kind of [17:00:05] it's in nova.conf [17:00:11] ah [17:00:16] yeah, that's the one [17:00:23] what about the native openstack api? [17:00:31] we aren't using it yet [17:00:36] okay [17:00:36] I'm working on that right now [17:00:43] okay, so to answer your question [17:00:47] no, I didn't check virt2's logs :P [17:00:49] heh [17:00:59] let me check now. [17:01:01] I usually check the compute host's logs [17:01:10] to see if the compute host is attempting a reboot [17:01:25] I also see if the compute hosts' service is listed as down [17:01:40] because that would mean it isn't getting the notification [17:02:10] nova-compute shows as down on virt6 [17:02:46] some services will list down on occasion, this one shows every time I run the service list command [17:03:20] so, the nova-compute service should be restarted on that node [17:03:48] paravoid: btw, unfortunately for now, the instance pages won't get updated for the host [17:03:52] mediawiki is doing it. [17:04:09] andrewbogott wrote an openstack plugin for updating mediawiki, though [17:04:19] so, at some point openstack will take care of those pages [17:05:04] also, each instance uses its own network filterref in case you want to modify them per-instance [17:06:56] ok. heading to the office [17:33:05] ^demon: any idea what gerrit on formey is ? [17:33:22] ^demon: seems to be a different role than the one on manganese [17:38:59] hashar: cross-DC replica I'd presume [17:39:09] looks so [17:39:13] will investigate later :) [17:39:23] off for now :-D [17:56:00] 07/30/2012 - 17:56:00 - Created a home directory for lcarr in project(s): globaleducation [17:57:00] 07/30/2012 - 17:56:59 - User jeremyb may have been modified in LDAP or locally, updating key in project(s): globaleducation [18:15:21] 07/30/2012 - 18:15:21 - Creating a home directory for madman at /export/keys/madman [18:16:22] 07/30/2012 - 18:16:21 - Updating keys for madman at /export/keys/madman [18:30:55] Hey, all. Who should I talk to about joining the bastion and bots projects? :) [18:31:29] petan worked for me [18:31:53] Ryan_Lane or andrewbogott or ssmollett for bastion IIRC [18:32:02] should write that to the bots page [18:32:22] Yeah, I poked around the bots page but didn't see who were admins. [18:32:35] AMadman: We're all in a meeting, can you ping me in half an hour? [18:32:41] andrewbogott: Sure thing. :) [18:32:45] andrewbogott: you're optimistic :) [18:33:01] are you in a meeting or not? [18:33:12] we all are [18:33:14] So, if I want to set up an instance with the MediaWiki template (to test bug fixes, etc.) do I have to be a sysadmin of a project? There doesn't seem to be a general "tinkering with bugs" project. :p [18:33:28] Oh and parav, forget about him :) [18:33:45] AMadman: Yes [18:34:11] hashar: Btw did you see the BZ about thumbs on beta? [18:34:17] Damianz: yup [18:34:23] that has been broken since may or so [18:34:29] Ah [18:34:35] * Damianz kicks Ryan_Lane for saying it should work [18:34:40] (Also: The Next link doesn't work on List projects.) [18:34:42] that is because the files do not exist on the local wiki [18:35:02] I spent like an hour trying to make mw happy :( [18:35:12] So is it kosher to request a project just for myself so I can do that, or is there a larger project I'm missing? [18:35:21] I assume the thumbs shared folder will be the new location for them? [18:44:53] !log gerrit applied {{gerrit|13484}} patch #9 to gerrit-puppet-overhaul : cd /var/lib/git/operations/puppet && git fetch anonymous refs/changes/84/13484/9 && git checkout -b 13484/9 . Now manually running puppet and fixing the class :) [18:44:54] Logged the message, Master [18:50:34] does anyone have any idea about what /root/.my.cnf is for ? :-D [18:50:38] we don't have it on labs :-( [18:52:04] client config? [18:52:23] We do on some boxes, actually would be nice to randomise the root pass and stick it in there rather than using puppet [18:56:44] Ryan_Lane: I've made a basic puppet tutorial based on the DC session. [18:57:11] OrenBo: cool [18:57:16] Ryan_Lane: I'ts currently at http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:OrenBochman/Labs_2 [18:57:41] Ryan_Lane: I'll upload it to MediaWiki when its complete. [18:58:08] labsconsole is likely better than mediawiki.org [18:58:30] both! [18:59:06] Ryan_Lane there is a guy on enwiki who say we can't use that pink unicorn [18:59:20] because it's a logo of some religious group of people or what [18:59:29] hashar changed the color for now [18:59:44] If it's some anti-gay natzi party I vote we use it just to spite them [18:59:52] sort of [19:00:02] The Invisible Pink Unicorn. [19:00:07] yes [19:00:22] Kind of an anti-religious group, really. Or a mock-religious group. :p [19:01:06] o.0 [19:01:07] it's green atm [19:01:11] They sounds mental {{cn}} [19:01:19] so we don't match the color hehe [19:01:19] o.o [19:01:26] No, they just think religious people are mental. :p [19:01:46] I'm surprised more people have not heard of this. [19:01:47] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Invisible_Pink_Unicorn [19:02:06] "The mutually exclusive attributes of pinkness and invisibility, coupled with the inability to disprove the IPU's existence, satirize properties that some theists attribute to a theistic deity." [19:02:52] But yeah, a bit political of a logo to use unmodified. :p [19:05:22] I just found it on commons and thought it's a good picture for logo [19:05:35] I didn't really look what it is used for [19:06:22] i want it pink! [19:06:47] the good thing is that it isn't our official logo, so I don't think its too big of a deal :) [19:08:00] Ryan_Lane can we make a bigger official logo [19:08:09] Yeah. No harm, no foul. [19:08:16] it's white and invisible and you can't proof that it isn't there, haha :) [19:08:19] the official logo needs to be trademarked [19:08:31] trademarks suck [19:08:38] the one in the top-left corner is the official one [19:08:39] just as software patents do [19:08:51] petan: tell the lawyers that, not me :) [19:08:56] heh [19:09:09] trademarks are good for one thing, though [19:09:21] hm, no one can steal your logo [19:09:22] to help shut down phishing sites [19:09:27] ah [19:09:28] Ryan seems to have a think for laywers [19:09:29] true [19:09:40] but it's hard to reuse it [19:09:45] for example on wikipedia [19:10:17] there is no picture of star wars in [[Star Wars]] because it's copyrighted [19:10:37] I kinda hate the wikipedia licencing [19:10:59] Like cc-by-sa is fine but hell if it's under an opensource license then why does it need to ALSO be under cc-by-sa -.- [19:15:44] yeah, everywhere on wikipedia you can read how bad are copyrights and wmf is licensing everything just so wrong as others heh [19:16:31] I really like these I don't give a fuck copyright [19:16:38] copyrights [19:16:48] that's what I would use for my software if there was no GPL [19:18:04]