[02:16:50] !log Bots added Beta16 [02:16:50] Bots is not a valid project. [02:17:01] !log bots added Beta16 [02:17:07] Logged the message, Master [04:30:31] [bz] (8NEW - created by: 2Antoine "hashar" Musso, priority: 4Normal - 6normal) [Bug 36422] easily reload all apaches - https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=36422 [04:32:29] [bz] (8NEW - created by: 2Antoine "hashar" Musso, priority: 4Normal - 6normal) [Bug 36748] [OPS] syslog::server (in test) unusuable - https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=36748 [04:33:08] [bz] (8RESOLVED - created by: 2Antoine "hashar" Musso, priority: 4Normal - 6normal) [Bug 38996] [OPS] apache2 need manual start - https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=38996 [05:04:20] !log Wikidata-dev - [05:04:20] Wikidata-dev is not a valid project. [05:05:16] !log Abusefilter-global [05:05:16] Message missing. Nothing logged. [05:48:39] !log account-creation-assistance THe servers demand reboots, and reboots they shall receive [05:48:42] Logged the message, Master [07:10:35] Ryan_Lane: ? [11:24:11] [bz] (8NEW - created by: 2silke.meyer, priority: 4Unprioritized - 6normal) [Bug 45350] IP address publicly visible when requesting shell access - https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=45350 [14:30:58] [bz] (8NEW - created by: 2This, that and the other, priority: 4Normal - 6major) [Bug 45318] test.wikipedia.beta.wmflabs.org is misconfigured (AFTv5 database tables not set up) - https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=45318 [15:16:08] Change on 12mediawiki a page Wikimedia Labs/Tool Labs was modified, changed by MPelletier (WMF) link https://www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?diff=651862 edit summary: [+1211] reorg a bit [15:16:23] Change on 12mediawiki a page Wikimedia Labs/Tool Labs was modified, changed by MPelletier (WMF) link https://www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?diff=651863 edit summary: [-10] [15:18:27] YAYA IT LIVES! :) http://ganglia.wmflabs.org/latest/?c=bots [15:18:44] Change on 12mediawiki a page Wikimedia Labs/Tool Labs was modified, changed by MPelletier (WMF) link https://www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?diff=651866 edit summary: [-27] wl [15:20:25] Change on 12mediawiki a page Wikimedia Labs was modified, changed by MPelletier (WMF) link https://www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?diff=651867 edit summary: [-776] /* Tool Labs */ by reference [16:08:15] Change on 12mediawiki a page Wikimedia Labs/Tool Labs/Design was modified, changed by MPelletier (WMF) link https://www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?diff=651888 edit summary: [+54] /* Implementation */ [16:10:20] so you started working today, Coren :) [16:11:13] Platonides: Yes and no. I started /working/ as soon as I knew I had the job, but today is the first such days where I am getting /paid/ for it. :-) [16:11:27] Platonides: Wikimedians are odd that way. [16:14:33] tell me that... [16:14:53] I also applied for that position [16:15:04] and then, when scfc_de` later asked me about it [16:15:17] I did more work on it that I had done in months for webtools [16:15:33] ie. I started substracting work from what they wanted to pay people to do [16:15:37] Coren, got your root yet?:P [16:15:52] completely silly :) [16:16:43] MaxSem: Nope, and I expect this may have to wait a couple days seeing how almost all of ops is in SF for a hackathon atm. :-) Then again, I've no shortage of work that doesn't need uid 0 for now. :-) [16:16:56] heh [16:17:16] Change on 12mediawiki a page Wikimedia Labs/Tool Labs/Design was modified, changed by Platonides link https://www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?diff=651892 edit summary: [+51] cronsub and qcronsub [16:17:28] anyway - welcome aboard, dude! [16:17:40] Platonides: Oh, sorry I'm the one who got it. That's... awkward. [16:17:46] MaxSem: Thanks! [16:18:12] I suppose I should be angry with you instead of helping xD [16:18:38] so yes, Wikimedians are odd ;) [16:18:43] Platonides, was it the only vacancy at the Foundation you've applied for? [16:19:51] MaxSem, I didn't really apply to one specific vacancy [16:20:08] I talked to a few people that I was looking for a job [16:20:19] but as I wanted a remote position, I suspect they only matched me with that one [16:20:36] Change on 12mediawiki a page Wikimedia Labs/Tool Labs/Design was modified, changed by MPelletier (WMF) link https://www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?diff=651893 edit summary: [+960] /* 3) Web service */ [16:21:42] :( [16:24:09] Hm. The "typical" job application doesn't have you meet and regularily work with the ones who didn't get it. That's a new kind of awkward for me. :-/ On the plus side, Platonides, maybe the Tool Labs is going immensely sucessful and there'll be need for two of us, in which case you're the obvious candidate! :-) [16:24:23] Hi Coren, I'm writing an e-mail to all toolserver accounts right now, also to the expired accounts. Where would you put information about inactive tools? Into the same table? Into a second one below? [16:25:20] Silke_WMDE: Well, seperating the tools which are /known/ to be inactive might be worthwhile, but it's important to be careful since an inactive user's tools might still be running. [16:25:28] (Especially if it's a cron job, say) [16:25:37] Coren, I think they would be disabled [16:25:44] I think so too [16:25:50] web tools used to continue running [16:26:05] but then there was a change to disable them [16:26:12] Oh, inactive as in "no longer has an account" not inactive as in "not active at the moment". Then yes, I suppose that suffices. [16:26:16] since nobody would be fixing bugs [16:26:30] well, if you are inactive, your account is closed... [16:26:51] Silke_WMDE, did you look at the tools listed at ToolserverI18N ? [16:27:09] Platonides: Yes and no; I had an account that wasn't closed for over a year after I had moved CSBot. A year is like a century in 'net time. [16:27:14] Platonides: no. where is that? [16:28:50] it used to be at https://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki/trunk/tools/ToolserverI18N/language/messages/ [16:29:02] there's one translation file per tool more or less [16:29:10] they then moved it to github [16:31:30] ok thx Platonides [16:32:01] no problem [16:32:49] btw Coren I heard rumours that there might be >1000 tools running on the toolserver. o_O [16:33:06] Coren, it has to be renewed every 6 months [16:33:27] (I was looking for the reference http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/toolserver-l/2010-June/003242.html) [16:33:28] Silke_WMDE: Given the size of the current table and the fact that we /know/ that the information is partial, I'm not surprised. [16:33:54] Platonides: I know, but there is a big difference between "renewed the account" and "doing something useful with it" [16:35:03] well, some accounts "do something useful" automatically [16:35:07] there is a disclaimer on the tswiki pages of several tools saying something like "this account has been inactive for 6 months, was disabled and the tool has been deactivated. [16:35:09] such as having an editcounter [16:35:11] Platonides: I have no idea what the proportion might be, but it seems self-evident that there may be ts users that aren't actually doing anything with their accounts at the moment, but have and might still do so and so they keep their account active. [16:35:34] I wondered what to do with "outdated tools" [16:35:44] eg. POTY 2010 [16:36:06] or the survey I ran about wlm that closed on New Year [16:36:15] should that count as a tool or not? :) [16:36:30] *g* --- hmmm... good question [16:36:32] I would be tempted to exclude one-offs [16:37:19] I mean, clearly the maintainer might make a new iteration for the next year/event/whatever, but there is little point in coping with the iterations that will never be used again that I can see. [16:40:09] Oh, Silke_WMDE, you might want to tell the users that I now have confirmation that the DB replication will allow and support user databases. :-) [16:40:24] yay [16:40:59] brb - tea [16:45:23] I'm not sure I understand what user databases replication means. [16:47:09] Darkdadaah, where's that? [16:47:43] Platonides: What Coren just said to Silke_WMDE. But I may have misunderstood. [16:48:54] Darkdadaah: I think Coren meant 1) database replication from the WM projects and 2) user databases for (Tool) Labs users (without relication) [16:48:59] +p [16:53:12] yes, I'm quite sure he meant that [16:53:33] Does it mean that we could make joins or something between replicated WM databases and user databases ? [16:53:36] that you will be able to have user databases in the same server where you access replication [16:53:52] yes, that's what it mwans (AFAIK) [16:54:40] Darkdadaah: Yes, it is. [16:55:15] I see, thanks for clarifying :) [16:57:14] The best way to say it, I think, is to say that "tools will be allowed to have databases on the same servers where the project database replicas will be" [16:57:50] I was already examining some alternatives using federated databases before I learned that it would be just allowed. :-) [16:58:02] cool [17:00:38] those are great news [17:22:21] Change on 12mediawiki a page Wikimedia Labs/Tool Labs/Design was modified, changed by MPelletier (WMF) link https://www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?diff=651915 edit summary: [+740] /* 1) Interactive / Development environment */ [17:29:00] !log webtools deleted webtools-grid-* instances (test concluded) [17:29:04] Logged the message, Master [17:31:53] Ryan_Lane: Do you have a few minutes for me intbetween intense coding sessions? :-) [17:32:03] yes, but I'm not in the office yet [17:32:14] I need to head there now ;) [17:32:16] * Ryan_Lane waves [17:34:33] Coren: Not to give you more work at the beginning, but would you consider becoming TS root as well? It's probably useful for helping migrating tools, and if in the process you'd be available to do some TS work, that would certainly be appreciated (at least by me :-)). This would also allow us cover more timezones. [17:35:52] scfc_de`: I've no fundamental objection, but I would expect that the matter is delicate and would really need to get Daniel on board. Also, between my labs duty and my enwp work, I wouldn't have a great deal of availability -- though I expect I could be useful in emergencies if nothing else. [17:38:37] Coren: DaBPunkt's approval is mandatory, of course, but I don't think availability should be a (major) concern -- every helping hand is better than none. [17:39:42] scfc_de`: I don't think it's a bad idea, but I would say that the timing sucks. :-) I should wait a few weeks until I get a proper grip on the Labs stuff before committing to anything further. But I agree that this would be a positive. [17:39:55] (I consider Platonides another fine candidate, but I wouldn't want to make him do even more unpaid work :-).) [17:41:13] Coren: Okay, then I'll remind you mid-March. [17:41:47] you are welcome to "convince" a manager to hire me :) [17:45:03] !log deployment-prep mwscript update.php --wiki=testwiki [17:45:06] Logged the message, Master [17:46:05] Platonides: I would support that, but I would feel really bad to have someone be paid for TS work, while DaBPunkt is grinding himself up as a volunteer. (Silke_WMDE: Nosy is the only paid admin ATM, isn't she?) [17:47:53] that's true [17:48:24] But WMDE is thinking about paying another admin [17:48:39] heh, I don't think just TS hours would make a salary [17:48:47] I was thinking in a more general duty, from which you would be allowed to do "TS stuff" in work hours [17:49:08] what's that more general duty? [18:15:42] andrewbogott_afk: I split the mw config up on labsconsole [18:16:02] into: Settings.php, Local.php, Private.php and Debug.php [18:16:18] local, private and debug are sourced from Settings.php [18:16:28] and Settings.php is sourced from LocalSettings.php [18:28:32] Change on 12mediawiki a page Wikimedia Labs/Tool Labs/Design was modified, changed by MPelletier (WMF) link https://www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?diff=651947 edit summary: [+84] /* 1) Interactive / Development environment */ +q [18:42:49] Ryan_Lane: regarding labsconsole config splitup -- great! I'm working on puppetizing that but dealing with lots of package conflicts. [18:42:57] * Ryan_Lane nods [18:43:12] I did that so that I could reuse the config on wikitech [18:43:23] well, wikitech-static [18:43:36] I'm getting ready to rename labsconsole to wikitech [18:57:45] Ryan_Lane: So, I was thinking "new project" rather than try to merge "webtools" with "bots", and just eventually deprecate the latter when the new one is mature. If you get a moment during the day, I'd appreciate (a) your opinion and (b) the creation of the project if you concur. ("tools"?) [18:59:08] Coren: yes, new projext [18:59:10] *project [19:00:00] Yeah, the breakage involved in trying to merge seemed to me to be batshit-level. :-) [19:00:18] yes. it wouldn't be fun [19:02:05] Ryan_Lane: BTW, my verdict on trying to maintain our own .deb of OGS: not worth the trouble. The differences with the currently-supported gridengine are not worth the complicated packaging and patch maintenance that would have been required. [19:02:32] so we'll use the version that comes with ubuntu? [19:02:34] Ryan_Lane: It is *not* a clean build without dozens of debian-specific patching. [19:03:09] Ryan_Lane: Right. It's not a /very/ old version, and I expect it will be a better-supported alternative even if it lags with upstream a bit. [19:23:54] Change on 12mediawiki a page Wikimedia Labs/Tool Labs/Design was modified, changed by MPelletier (WMF) link https://www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?diff=651982 edit summary: [+1238] Moar details! [21:09:58] [bz] (8ASSIGNED - created by: 2Antoine "hashar" Musso, priority: 4Immediate - 6normal) [Bug 45084] autoupdate the databases! - https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=45084 [22:21:46] Change on 12mediawiki a page Wikimedia Labs/TODO was modified, changed by タチコマ robot link https://www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?diff=652060 edit summary: [+5] Robot: Fixing double redirect to [[Wikimedia Labs/Tool Labs/TODO]] [22:22:01] Change on 12mediawiki a page Wikimedia Labs/Toolserver features wanted was modified, changed by タチコマ robot link https://www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?diff=652061 edit summary: [-3] Robot: Fixing double redirect to [[Wikimedia Labs/Tool Labs/Needed toolserver features]] [22:22:16] Change on 12mediawiki a page Wikimedia Labs/Toolserver features wanted in Tool Labs was modified, changed by タチコマ robot link https://www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?diff=652062 edit summary: [-3] Robot: Fixing double redirect to [[Wikimedia Labs/Tool Labs/Needed toolserver features]] [23:40:42] howdy folx, I'm not able to access the staging environment on wmflabs. Can someone take a look at it or point me in the right direction? staging.wmflabs.org [23:43:13] jcmish: it works for me. what's not working for you? [23:43:23] hmm no sir [23:43:26] let me check again [23:44:17] http://staging.wmflabs.org/wiki/Main_Page? [23:44:30] no ? :D [23:44:46] it loads for me [23:44:50] what exactly isn't working [23:44:59] won't load for me at all [23:45:08] as in it times out? [23:45:12] does dns load? [23:45:17] can't find the server [23:45:33] let me switch to my phone [23:45:40] it may be my connection [23:45:43] we had a dns issue a little while ago [23:45:51] ohhhh [23:45:52] it's possible that the entry is negatively cached for you [23:45:57] it'll work again in about an hour [23:46:04] okay cool [23:46:08] I'll wait until then [23:46:14] cool