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(waiting 138 minutes) [05:27:12] Warning: There are 2 users waiting for access to tools project, displaying last 2: Tristessa de St Ange (waiting 494 minutes) Zhuyifei1999 (waiting 125 minutes) [05:40:31] Warning: There are 2 users waiting for shell, displaying last 2: Chess64 (waiting 504 minutes) Zhuyifei1999 (waiting 151 minutes) [05:40:32] Warning: There are 2 users waiting for access to tools project, displaying last 2: Tristessa de St Ange (waiting 507 minutes) Zhuyifei1999 (waiting 138 minutes) [05:53:51] Warning: There are 2 users waiting for shell, displaying last 2: Chess64 (waiting 517 minutes) Zhuyifei1999 (waiting 164 minutes) [05:53:52] Warning: There are 2 users waiting for access to tools project, displaying last 2: Tristessa de St Ange (waiting 521 minutes) Zhuyifei1999 (waiting 151 minutes) [06:07:12] Warning: There are 2 users waiting for shell, displaying last 2: Chess64 (waiting 531 minutes) Zhuyifei1999 (waiting 178 minutes) [06:07:13] Warning: There are 2 users waiting for access to tools project, displaying last 2: Tristessa de St Ange (waiting 534 minutes) Zhuyifei1999 (waiting 165 minutes) [06:20:32] Warning: There are 2 users waiting for shell, displaying last 2: Chess64 (waiting 544 minutes) Zhuyifei1999 (waiting 191 minutes) [06:20:33] Warning: There are 2 users waiting for access to tools project, displaying last 2: Tristessa de St Ange (waiting 547 minutes) Zhuyifei1999 (waiting 178 minutes) [06:33:52] Warning: There are 2 users waiting for shell, displaying last 2: Chess64 (waiting 557 minutes) Zhuyifei1999 (waiting 204 minutes) [06:33:53] Warning: There are 2 users waiting for access to tools project, displaying last 2: Tristessa de St Ange (waiting 561 minutes) Zhuyifei1999 (waiting 191 minutes) [06:47:12] Warning: There are 2 users waiting for shell, displaying last 2: Chess64 (waiting 571 minutes) Zhuyifei1999 (waiting 218 minutes) [06:47:13] Warning: There are 2 users waiting for access to tools project, displaying last 2: Tristessa de St Ange (waiting 574 minutes) Zhuyifei1999 (waiting 205 minutes) [06:59:26] Warning: There are 2 users waiting for shell, displaying last 2: Chess64 (waiting 1 minutes) Zhuyifei1999 (waiting 1 minutes) [06:59:27] Warning: There are 2 users waiting for access to tools project, displaying last 2: Tristessa de St Ange (waiting 1 minutes) Zhuyifei1999 (waiting 1 minutes) [07:01:06] legoktm: but do a 'vim `which jsub`' [07:01:06] is very small [07:02:09] perl :/ [07:03:13] legoktm: yup, but still small [07:03:18] legoktm: if we're to write a wrapper, it should deal directly with th eunderlying stuff [07:03:19] than wtih jsub [07:03:21] probably [07:03:22] but i think it might even already exist [07:03:28] !rq Chess64 [07:03:28] https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Shell_Request/Chess64?action=edit https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Chess64?action=edit§ion=new&preload=Template:ShellGranted https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:UserRights/Chess64 [07:03:41] !rq Zhuyifei1999 [07:03:41] https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Shell_Request/Zhuyifei1999?action=edit https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Zhuyifei1999?action=edit§ion=new&preload=Template:ShellGranted https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:UserRights/Zhuyifei1999 [07:12:53] Warning: There are 2 users waiting for access to tools project, displaying last 2: Tristessa de St Ange (waiting 14 minutes) Zhuyifei1999 (waiting 14 minutes) [07:13:39] legoktm: liking flask so far? [07:13:56] petan: seen https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=49036 [07:13:57] ? [07:26:28] Warning: There are 2 users waiting for access to tools project, displaying last 2: Tristessa de St Ange (waiting 28 minutes) Zhuyifei1999 (waiting 28 minutes) [07:39:49] Warning: There are 2 users waiting for access to tools project, displaying last 2: Tristessa de St Ange (waiting 41 minutes) Zhuyifei1999 (waiting 41 minutes) [07:53:15] Warning: There are 2 users waiting for access to tools project, displaying last 2: Tristessa de St Ange (waiting 54 minutes) Zhuyifei1999 (waiting 54 minutes) [08:03:36] legoktm: any progress? [08:03:41] * YuviPanda has basic widget code running [08:06:35] Warning: There are 2 users waiting for access to tools project, displaying last 2: Tristessa de St Ange (waiting 68 minutes) Zhuyifei1999 (waiting 68 minutes) [08:20:01] Warning: There are 2 users waiting for access to tools project, displaying last 2: Tristessa de St Ange (waiting 81 minutes) Zhuyifei1999 (waiting 81 minutes) [08:33:30] Warning: There are 2 users waiting for access to tools project, displaying last 2: Tristessa de St Ange (waiting 95 minutes) Zhuyifei1999 (waiting 95 minutes) [08:46:51] Warning: There are 2 users waiting for access to tools project, displaying last 2: Tristessa de St Ange (waiting 108 minutes) Zhuyifei1999 (waiting 108 minutes) [09:00:20] Warning: There are 2 users waiting for access to tools project, displaying last 2: Tristessa de St Ange (waiting 121 minutes) Zhuyifei1999 (waiting 121 minutes) [09:13:45] Warning: There is 1 user waiting for access to tools project: Tristessa de St Ange (waiting 135 minutes) [09:27:10] Warning: There is 1 user waiting for access to tools project: Tristessa de St Ange (waiting 148 minutes) [09:27:56] !tr Tristessa_de_St_Ange [09:27:57] request page: https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Nova_Resource:Tools/Access_Request/Tristessa_de_St_Ange?action=edit talk page: https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Tristessa_de_St_Ange?action=edit§ion=new&preload=Template:ToolsGranted link: https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:NovaProject&action=addmember&projectname=tools [09:28:43] !tr Zhuyifei1999 [09:28:43] request page: https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Nova_Resource:Tools/Access_Request/Zhuyifei1999?action=edit talk page: https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Zhuyifei1999?action=edit§ion=new&preload=Template:ToolsGranted link: https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:NovaProject&action=addmember&projectname=tools [09:36:29] WTF? [09:45:24] Proxy Error [09:45:24] The proxy server received an invalid response from an upstream server. [09:45:24] The proxy server could not handle the request GET /xtools/pcount/index.php. [09:45:24] Reason: Error reading from remote server [09:45:24] Apache/2.4.4 (Ubuntu) Server at tools.wmflabs.org Port 80 [09:45:57] If anybody knows what the problem is, please pm the answer to me. I'm going to be at work all day. [10:10:52] Cyberpower678 ? [10:16:14] petan: the Cyberpower678 problem it might come from our stats.php, I'm commenting it [10:46:16] !log tools petrb: created new instance for experiments with sasl memcache tools-mc [10:46:18] Logged the message, Master [10:48:50] @notify hashar [10:48:50] I'll let you know when I see hashar around here [11:15:27] hello [11:15:54] can someone add me to the Bots project? https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Nova_Resource_Talk:Bots&diff=69057&oldid=69028 [11:18:01] Euku: sure you dont want to move to tools? [11:21:54] addshore: I think the tasks that my bot should do are not "tools". for now it should run as a standalone bot for de:wikip [11:22:26] Euku: ignore the namming of the projects :) [11:22:51] imagine that bots is actually called tools-testing [11:23:20] tools is made to be the new place for running all tools (bots included) [11:24:20] ok, I don't need to test, it is already working well... :) [11:24:44] petan: ^^ [11:25:14] !tr Euku [11:25:15] request page: https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Nova_Resource:Tools/Access_Request/Euku?action=edit talk page: https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Euku?action=edit§ion=new&preload=Template:ToolsGranted link: https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:NovaProject&action=addmember&projectname=tools [11:26:00] done [11:27:28] petan / addshore : thanks! [11:27:28] Euku: You are added to the tools project =] [11:44:05] Warning: There is 1 user waiting for shell: Aschroet (waiting 0 minutes) [11:57:38] Warning: There are 2 users waiting for shell, displaying last 2: Aschroet (waiting 13 minutes) Xazza (waiting 12 minutes) [11:57:39] Warning: There is 1 user waiting for access to tools project: Aschroet (waiting 10 minutes) [12:11:03] Warning: There are 2 users waiting for shell, displaying last 2: Aschroet (waiting 26 minutes) Xazza (waiting 25 minutes) [12:11:04] Warning: There is 1 user waiting for access to tools project: Aschroet (waiting 23 minutes) [12:24:24] Warning: There are 2 users waiting for shell, displaying last 2: Aschroet (waiting 40 minutes) Xazza (waiting 39 minutes) [12:24:25] Warning: There is 1 user waiting for access to tools project: Aschroet (waiting 37 minutes) [12:32:04] hi [12:32:33] hey [12:32:36] 'sup? [12:32:45] most people aren't awake now but some are [12:32:55] I'd like to run some db queries, what is the right way to do that on tool labs? [12:33:07] ah, yes [12:33:15] moment [12:33:27] https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Nova_Resource:Tools/Help#Production_replicas [12:33:28] probably [12:33:36] that entire document is something you should look at :) [12:34:10] * lbenedix likes to write python and python-mysqldb is not installed... [12:34:22] petan: ^ [12:34:29] lbenedix: also virtualenv is installed [12:34:33] lbenedix: so you can use that to install whatever you want [12:37:53] Warning: There are 2 users waiting for shell, displaying last 2: Aschroet (waiting 53 minutes) Xazza (waiting 52 minutes) [12:37:54] Warning: There is 1 user waiting for access to tools project: Aschroet (waiting 50 minutes) [12:39:57] hi [12:40:20] lbenedix heya [12:40:24] hi [12:41:19] lbenedix i have no idea how python works but there are others who use it and they can access db [12:42:11] but if u require -mysqldb package I can install it [12:43:00] actually it is installed [12:43:18] petan: on all hosts? [12:43:23] yes [12:43:38] Looks like it's not working with python3 [12:50:48] _mysql_exceptions.OperationalError: (2002, "Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock' (2)") [12:51:18] Warning: There are 2 users waiting for shell, displaying last 2: Aschroet (waiting 67 minutes) Xazza (waiting 66 minutes) [12:51:19] Warning: There is 1 user waiting for access to tools project: Aschroet (waiting 64 minutes) [13:01:03] lbenedix wrong server? [13:01:11] !tr Aschroet [13:01:11] request page: https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Nova_Resource:Tools/Access_Request/Aschroet?action=edit talk page: https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Aschroet?action=edit§ion=new&preload=Template:ToolsGranted link: https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:NovaProject&action=addmember&projectname=tools [13:01:15] !rq Aschroet [13:01:15] https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Shell_Request/Aschroet?action=edit https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Aschroet?action=edit§ion=new&preload=Template:ShellGranted https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:UserRights/Aschroet [13:02:35] !rq Xazza [13:02:35] https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Shell_Request/Xazza?action=edit https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Xazza?action=edit§ion=new&preload=Template:ShellGranted https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:UserRights/Xazza [13:53:05] YuviPanda my memcached is almost written XD [13:53:25] what took months to c developers takes few days to c# dev ;0 [13:54:45] :P [13:54:48] mmm, C#? [13:55:10] petan: you realize that the initial memcached was in Perl? :P [13:55:20] hah [14:00:15] Warning: There is 1 user waiting for access to tools project: Alessio (waiting 0 minutes) [14:00:29] petan, why would you want to rewrite memcached? [14:00:40] Platonides because the current one sucks? [14:00:46] why? [14:00:53] Platonides it supports no authentication [14:01:12] how would you run memcached server in untrusted environment where people have shell access [14:01:39] I am making a version which support multiple users where each of them has own separate memory others cant access [14:01:47] make everyone prepend user & password to their memcache keys [14:02:25] ^ legit [14:02:54] hmm, not that bad after you also ask them to hash it [14:03:01] still it is simple to do a 'dump' [14:03:08] are you sure it is secure? [14:03:15] oh i'm pretty sure it isn't :) [14:04:49] YuviPanda, dump? [14:04:57] I think there's no command to list the keys [14:05:07] yes there is [14:05:18] stats items [14:05:21] it's trivial enough [14:05:21] ^ [14:05:27] you need to iterate from it, yeah [14:05:29] but still [14:06:39] hmm... you'd need to disable a couple of commands [14:06:53] bleh [14:07:05] you cant disable them other than removing them from source code :/ [14:07:32] which would break the software which expect them :o [14:08:15] at some point what you propose is possible but not sure about it... storing a passwords in memcache is horrible idea, people should rather prefix them with some random hash they generate instead of password [14:09:23] the version I am working on isnt perfect as well, because the authenticate stanza isnt part of current implementation and tools will not know it (but it is going to be very easy to implement) [14:09:43] can't we find something that *does* implement appropriate separation? [14:09:48] *or* we could have per-tool memcached instances [14:09:58] I have no idea how to accomplish that [14:10:02] that should be secure enough, assuming we communicate to them via some sort of sockets that can be secure [14:10:15] there is no version of memcached that supports this [14:10:17] like a unix socket? [14:10:35] that would require instance of memcache to run for every tool [14:10:36] hmm, but that'll have to be local [14:10:40] yeah [14:10:48] oh yes, it would. that was what i was proposing :P [14:10:56] I wonder how much the overhead would be [14:11:41] idk from technical point of view what I am working on is probably most correct, but it is also most complicated to implement and most complicated to implement in tools :3 [14:12:03] I think this has probably not been a problem for anyone before, petan [14:12:08] but it requires only 1 instance of memcache running, listening on network for all tools [14:12:09] can't think of any org that'll need a service like this [14:12:14] did toolserver have memcached? [14:12:19] legoktm: https://github.com/yuvipanda/android-editcountitis :) [14:13:01] YuviPanda I think that every web-host who would like to provide memcached could use it :P [14:13:14] hmm [14:13:16] reason why nobody provides it on shared servers is that it isnt secure [14:13:19] but I am pretty sure [14:13:21] that webhosts [14:13:25] have a per-user memcached instance [14:13:31] I dont think so [14:13:40] Warning: There is 1 user waiting for access to tools project: Alessio (waiting 13 minutes) [14:13:57] the problem with per-user memcached instances is that you would be locking a lot of memory for them [14:14:12] yeah, and for us It should really be 'per-tool' (or service-group)? [14:14:26] Platonides I think that it would lock far less memory than the 2 other proposals :P [14:14:28] !tr Alessio [14:14:28] request page: https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Nova_Resource:Tools/Access_Request/Alessio?action=edit talk page: https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Alessio?action=edit§ion=new&preload=Template:ToolsGranted link: https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:NovaProject&action=addmember&projectname=tools [14:14:53] let's just use mysql as memcached :P [14:15:07] lol [14:15:14] petan, which other? [14:15:22] instance per tool [14:15:27] use passwords in keys [14:15:29] these 2 [14:15:36] both of them would consume same or more memory [14:15:41] we could tell people 'do not put sensitive info there' [14:15:42] ? [14:15:43] than what? [14:15:50] than my version... [14:16:00] however, your version will be slower :P [14:16:05] why [14:16:07] and C# :P [14:16:12] but I'd love to hack on more C# [14:16:14] C# FTW! [14:16:19] because you have an authentication step [14:16:22] however, I'll admit that Mono isn't the most tuned server side thing.... [14:16:34] well I could either write it in c and spend 14 years doing it, or I could use c# and make it in 6 hours [14:16:48] indeed [14:16:58] plus it will give me an excuse to write C# again :D [14:17:04] petan: which version are you targetting? [14:17:05] C# I mean [14:17:06] 4.0? [14:17:09] 2.0 [14:17:12] .... [14:17:13] what [14:17:14] why [14:17:14] for compatibility [14:17:17] what [14:17:20] compatibility with WHAT [14:17:28] hmm, wait [14:17:36] did 2.0 have lambdas and LINQ and all that? [14:17:38] or was that 3.0? [14:17:40] that was 3.0, right? [14:17:41] well I dont care I could use 4.0 as well, but I think debian does not support anything higher than 2.0 [14:17:48] and ubuntu support it like few months maybe [14:18:12] wheeze has 2.10 [14:18:16] I dont use LINQ that makes your code slow and crappy :P [14:18:20] bleh [14:18:21] hmpf [14:18:32] I am writing in c style :P but using the modern features :D [14:18:40] that makes my code fast :3 [14:18:44] can you tell the mono version available? [14:18:53] petan: you know that all the 3.0 features are available on the 2.0 runtime too? [14:18:58] they just map back to the same primitives [14:19:02] maybe [14:19:32] hmmm [14:19:34] memcached over ssh? [14:19:37] that should be secure enough [14:19:41] lol [14:19:50] that would be definitely more work and more slow [14:19:57] it would be slow [14:20:36] if I wasnt chatting with you it would be already finished, but thing is that I dont know if there is a point in working on that now when you arent sure if we really need it [14:20:40] alright, I can't actually think of anything other than per-tool instances now [14:20:42] :P [14:20:47] petan: we *definitely* need it [14:20:51] that i'm sure about [14:20:59] petan: so I'm going to shut up now, and you finish up :) [14:21:03] no wavering [14:21:07] * StupidPanda goes back to his code [14:21:11] how would you mane the per tool version? [14:21:15] make [14:21:29] which is also network accessible? [14:21:30] make it on-request? [14:21:33] and use SASL [14:21:38] with a specific password [14:21:41] sasl only support binary protocol [14:21:52] look, there is sasl version running on tools-mc now [14:21:56] that's fine, it is just a library swap [14:21:59] sure, but sasl isn't per-user [14:22:03] it's just network secrecy [14:22:07] make mediawiki work with that and then, after 4 months when you manage to do that, tell me :P [14:22:25] why would anyone run mediawiki on tools? [14:22:27] why?! [14:22:32] lot of people do that [14:22:39] and they dont use memcache [14:22:43] so it is horrid and slow [14:23:29] why? [14:23:34] ok [14:23:38] nevermind, write the tool! [14:24:22] petan: disabling of stats command: http://pastebin.com/6wXFyS9u [14:29:13] Platonides I think we could manage to comment out part of source code :P but question is: is this a better solution? why? [14:29:28] some tools that rely on that command would break [14:29:32] don't reinvent the wheel? [14:29:58] I am not reinventing anything, my implementation is completely different [14:30:12] petan, can provide an example of tools which use stats for anything? [14:30:29] that's good for nagios or a sysadmin peeking at the daemon [14:30:31] I would hardly provide example of tools that use memcache for anything :) [14:30:47] but a normal memcache client shouldn't need it at all [14:30:56] okok [14:31:07] it's easier to change [14:31:08] and faster [14:31:14] so the current solution you want: regular insecure memcache with no stats? [14:31:15] as well as possible to get upstream :P [14:31:39] mhm [14:31:52] well, we could leave the general stats, blocking just the detailed ones [14:31:55] ha I said insecure and Coren woke up [14:33:23] Platonides I would more prefer if instead of pastebin you told me the name of .c file :P [14:33:27] but no worries I can grep it [14:33:41] petan, see at the top: memcached.c [14:33:46] aha [14:33:48] ok [14:33:57] patches contain the filename to be patched :P [14:34:26] LOL +#if 0 [14:34:35] not at all [14:34:36] that is a nice way to comment out stuff [14:34:38] it's quite common [14:34:49] and there are multiline comments in that block [14:34:54] mhm [14:34:58] aha [14:35:01] true [14:35:13] IIRC even common syntax highlighters reccomend that [14:35:22] :0 [14:36:03] s/reccomend/recognize/ [14:42:46] Platonides it is up [14:42:51] on tools-mc port 11211 [14:43:03] that hacked version you can check if its secure enough :P [14:45:02] lol now even stats settings doesnt work :S [14:45:09] I am wondering if it works at all [14:49:05] does it? [14:49:16] yes [14:49:34] it does, you should write a guide how to enable this in mediawiki using the secret hash prefix [14:49:43] I dont know if mediawiki supports that [14:49:45] but it should [14:49:47] meh [14:55:15] petan: I think a solution would be to tell people to *not* run mediawiki on tools :P [14:55:19] do you know anyone who already is? [14:55:56] StupidPanda: why it shouldn't be ran there? [14:56:23] I'm trying to think of reasons why it should be run on *tools* and not coming up with any [14:56:28] they should probably run on their own labs instance [14:56:31] rather than on tools [14:56:42] i see [14:56:50] besides, without memcached they are going to be incredibly horribly slow [14:56:51] i misplaced tools with labs [14:56:56] ah :) [14:57:03] labs is a wonderful place to run mediawiki! [14:57:06] just that tools isn't :) [14:57:14] :o) [15:00:03] There are already a couple of mw installations on tool; they're reasonably fast for what they are doing. [15:00:09] tools* [15:04:32] StupidPanda: reason is that not everyone is smart enough to understand linux, that doesnt mean they cant install mediawiki nor they dont understand php [15:04:39] lot of tools users are windows users [15:04:52] also having 100 mediawiki installations would mean 100 instances [15:04:57] that isnt effective at all [15:06:05] I see nothing wrong on running it on tools now when they can use memcache :P [15:09:52] petan, for the secret prefix in mediawiki, just set $wgCachePrefix [15:10:00] o/ [15:10:09] awesome [15:10:48] although I should check it's not disclosed in the "Saved in parser cache..." line [15:11:10] still, it's trivial to remove it [15:19:28] i also agree that tools is probably not the most ideal environment to run MW [15:19:41] it's a great way to run all the systems out of memory [15:19:57] (all of the tools web servers, that is) [15:21:20] Coren: what *are* they doing? [15:21:32] +1 to Ryan_Lane [15:21:40] if they want to be running mw, well, get a labs instance [15:21:43] rather than a tools instance [15:22:01] yeah. we need some way of not requiring a project per mediawiki idea, though [15:22:26] maybe we can have a single mediawiki project that doesn't allow root [15:22:29] StupidPanda: Not everyone wants to have to sysamin their setup; at least at first. But I agree that having a "make a webserver instance with memcached for mediawiki" system is probably a good idea. [15:22:43] and if people need infrastructure changes, they get a project [15:22:50] * Coren nods. [15:22:55] Sounds sane. [15:22:56] +1, 'shared hosting for mediawiki on labs!' type of thing [15:23:05] Coren: we already have a "all-in-one mediawiki" puppet class [15:23:21] that way we could also perhaps make sure that they are all up to date, for security purposes [15:24:04] Ryan_Lane: Most people who just want to work on a new extension will not want to have to worry about puppet, or setting up instances. [15:26:02] do we know what the people using mediawiki on tools are using them for? [15:26:05] also who are they? [15:27:30] Coren: indeed. I wasn't implying otherwise ;) [15:30:22] so is the memcached instance petan setup now considered part of 'tools labs'? [15:30:26] can I start using it? [15:30:30] should we put that up into the docs/ [15:30:31] ? [15:30:38] (it is regular memcached with stat disabled) [15:30:38]