[00:02:22] 10Tool-Labs-tools-Xtools: Convert all xtools issues to either Phabricator or GitHub - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T134632#2819590 (10Matthewrbowker) a:03Matthewrbowker I'm going to claim this task right now. As I finish the xTools rewrite, I'll close out any GitHub issues. Then, we can close issue subm... [00:05:24] 10Tool-Labs-tools-Xtools: Checkwiki link on gadget - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T71718#2819632 (10Matthewrbowker) a:05Matthewrbowker>03None [00:13:29] (03PS1) 10Zppix: Adding quit message when issued command 'force-restart' [labs/tools/grrrit] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/323342 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T151508) [00:32:00] (03CR) 10Paladox: [C: 04-1] "This will stop the bot reconnecting after disconnecting and this caused other problems that I carn't remember." [labs/tools/grrrit] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/323342 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T151508) (owner: 10Zppix) [00:32:03] (03PS2) 10Zppix: Adding quit message when issued command 'force-restart' [labs/tools/grrrit] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/323342 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T151508) [05:50:58] 06Labs, 10Tool-Labs: jsub's -once should clear jobs in E state and run things - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T135229#2820047 (10scfc) I don't think that automatically clearing error states is useful. When a job fails, it is often due to misconfiguration, i. e. the `job.out` file cannot be written to, etc... [06:10:02] 10Tool-Labs-tools-Pageviews, 07I18n: pageviews-latest is probably a lego message - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T151439#2820048 (10Amire80) Yes, definitely. In Hebrew the number has to come before the word, and in many other languages. Maybe when the number is unknown you can replace it with the single w... [06:16:38] 10Tool-Labs-tools-Pageviews: Use UniversalLanguageSelector for selecting the UI language in the Labs Pageviews tool - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T151521#2820060 (10Amire80) [06:20:42] 06Labs, 10Horizon: Provide watroles functionality in Horizon - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T151522#2820072 (10scfc) [06:27:35] 06Labs, 10wikitech.wikimedia.org: Get rid of SMW/SRF/SF - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T53642#2820092 (10scfc) [06:27:37] 06Labs, 10wikitech.wikimedia.org: Build a simple tool to query which instances have which roles / puppet variables - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T103995#2820086 (10scfc) 05Open>03Resolved a:03yuvipanda The tool was built (and used :-)), but is no longer working due to changes in the backend; T15009... [06:35:35] hi, I have put "@monthly /usr/bin/jsub -N cron-tools.elobot-1 -once -quiet /data/project/elobot/core/elobot-no-user-interaction.sh" [06:35:41] when will the cron job start? [06:35:52] *put in my crontab [06:35:57] *on tool labs [06:53:16] 06Labs, 10Tool-Labs: bug :Portgrabber don't support non ASCII characters - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T127689#2820094 (10scfc) 05Open>03Resolved a:03Shoichi http://tools.wmflabs.org/idsgen/ returns a 500 server error, but URLs listed in `public_tomcat/logs/localhost_access_log.*.txt` seem to work... [07:08:25] RECOVERY - Host tools-secgroup-test-102 is UP: PING OK - Packet loss = 0%, RTA = 2.76 ms [07:10:08] PROBLEM - Host tools-secgroup-test-102 is DOWN: CRITICAL - Host Unreachable (10.68.21.170) [07:21:34] 06Labs, 10Labs-Infrastructure, 10DBA, 10Datasets-General-or-Unknown, 13Patch-For-Review: Initial data tests for db1095 (temporary db1069 - sanitarium replacement) - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T150960#2820100 (10Marostegui) The following tables have been renamed as they are in the list of ignored t... [08:10:50] 06Labs, 10Labs-Infrastructure, 10DBA, 10Datasets-General-or-Unknown, 13Patch-For-Review: Initial data tests for db1095 (temporary db1069 - sanitarium replacement) - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T150960#2820152 (10Marostegui) I just tested what happens with a master with the old timestamp format and... [08:22:19] PROBLEM - Puppet run on tools-webgrid-lighttpd-1416 is CRITICAL: CRITICAL: 44.44% of data above the critical threshold [0.0] [08:32:21] 06Labs, 06Release-Engineering-Team: Request for CI staging project - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T150772#2820191 (10hashar) Labs project is `ci-staging` https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Nova_Resource:Ci-staging [08:34:35] 06Labs, 10Labs-Infrastructure, 10DBA, 13Patch-For-Review: Implement a frontend failover solution for labsdb replicas - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T141097#2820195 (10jcrespo) > How is the haproxy layer failed over (between nodes) in prod atm? LVS or ucarp/VRRP or ? There is no redundancy at the mome... [08:42:04] 06Labs, 10Labs-Infrastructure, 10DBA, 10Datasets-General-or-Unknown, 13Patch-For-Review: Initial data tests for db1095 (temporary db1069 - sanitarium replacement) - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T150960#2820213 (10Marostegui) I have audited all the tables and columns appearing on the triggers below a... [08:46:40] RECOVERY - Host secgroup-lag-102 is UP: PING OK - Packet loss = 0%, RTA = 1.83 ms [08:57:20] RECOVERY - Puppet run on tools-webgrid-lighttpd-1416 is OK: OK: Less than 1.00% above the threshold [0.0] [09:14:21] RECOVERY - Host tools-secgroup-test-103 is UP: PING OK - Packet loss = 0%, RTA = 5.51 ms [09:32:53] 06Labs, 10Labs-Infrastructure, 10DBA, 10Datasets-General-or-Unknown, 13Patch-For-Review: Initial data tests for db1095 (temporary db1069 - sanitarium replacement) - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T150960#2820298 (10jcrespo) db1095 is ignoring 'heartbeat.%', and we need that for replication lag control... [09:34:42] 06Labs, 10Labs-Infrastructure, 10DBA, 10Datasets-General-or-Unknown, 13Patch-For-Review: Initial data tests for db1095 (temporary db1069 - sanitarium replacement) - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T150960#2820311 (10Marostegui) Yes, you are right. It was ignored on the previous tests because ROW based... [09:36:44] 06Labs, 10Labs-Infrastructure, 10DBA, 10Datasets-General-or-Unknown, 13Patch-For-Review: Provision db1095 with at least 1 shard, sanitize and test slave-side triggers - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T150802#2820313 (10Marostegui) The tests on T150960 are looking good so we'd need to discuss the next... [09:38:27] 06Labs, 10Horizon: Provide watroles functionality in Horizon - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T151522#2820072 (10Krenair) I don't think Horizon is the right place for a cross-project tool [09:41:42] 06Labs, 10Labs-Infrastructure, 10DBA, 10Datasets-General-or-Unknown, 13Patch-For-Review: Provision db1095 with at least 1 shard, sanitize and test slave-side triggers - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T150802#2820324 (10jcrespo) Looks good. s3 will need lots of checking. Maybe I could work on an heuris... [09:44:05] 06Labs, 10Labs-Infrastructure, 10DBA, 10Datasets-General-or-Unknown, 13Patch-For-Review: Provision db1095 with at least 1 shard, sanitize and test slave-side triggers - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T150802#2820338 (10Marostegui) >>! In T150802#2820324, @jcrespo wrote: > Looks good. s3 will need lots... [09:48:04] 06Labs, 10Labs-Infrastructure, 10DBA, 10Datasets-General-or-Unknown, 13Patch-For-Review: Initial data tests for db1095 (temporary db1069 - sanitarium replacement) - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T150960#2820365 (10Marostegui) hearbeat is no longer being ignored. [09:55:20] 06Labs, 10Labs-Infrastructure, 10DBA, 10Datasets-General-or-Unknown, 13Patch-For-Review: Initial data tests for db1095 (temporary db1069 - sanitarium replacement) - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T150960#2820400 (10jcrespo) Why was being ignored, puppet? If yes, we need to change it there. [09:55:50] 06Labs, 10Labs-Infrastructure, 10DBA, 10Datasets-General-or-Unknown, 13Patch-For-Review: Initial data tests for db1095 (temporary db1069 - sanitarium replacement) - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T150960#2820401 (10Marostegui) No, me manually after importing S1. [10:03:44] PROBLEM - Host secgroup-lag-102 is DOWN: CRITICAL - Host Unreachable (10.68.17.218) [10:04:06] PROBLEM - Host tools-secgroup-test-103 is DOWN: CRITICAL - Host Unreachable (10.68.21.22) [10:31:25] 06Labs, 10Labs-Infrastructure, 10DBA: Migrate existing labs users from the old servers, if possible using roles and start maintaining users on the new database servers, too - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T149933#2820497 (10jcrespo) I have been testing the roles, they work as advertised: ``` mysql -u u2... [10:41:46] hi I have a problem with two of my labs instances the instance reports that the disk is full but I can not find the large files [10:41:47] https://gist.github.com/physikerwelt/9b679848799af3b532621ead5b336037 [10:46:21] 06Labs, 10Labs-Infrastructure, 10DBA: Migrate existing labs users from the old servers, if possible using roles and start maintaining users on the new database servers, too - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T149933#2820524 (10jcrespo) @chasemp @yuvipanda @Marostegui With the above, the changes to permissio... [10:50:16] physikerwelt, usr 3G + lib 3G + home 1G + boot 500MB + opt 200MB [10:56:28] jynus: yes but the / partition should hav 18G [10:56:47] I started to remove old packages [10:59:16] I would restart that, doesn't look good [11:00:20] jynus: thank you... now there is more space ... strange [11:00:51] it is a virtual filesystem [11:00:58] sometimes is weird [11:09:56] 06Labs, 10Tool-Labs: Java Runtime on Toollabs - not up to date? - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T147833#2704935 (10scfc) I don't have experience with either, but according to https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Tool_Labs/Web#Kubernetes, for JDK 8 you have to use the Kubernetes backend. I assume that... [11:48:24] PROBLEM - Puppet run on tools-bastion-03 is CRITICAL: CRITICAL: 22.22% of data above the critical threshold [0.0] [12:21:32] 06Labs, 10Tool-Labs: Tool Labs users .bashrc file does not exist for tools accounts - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T131561#2820786 (10scfc) (The duties of `toolwatcher` have been passed onto `maintain-kubeusers` and `~/public_html` is no longer created.) I believe that currently a lot of logic depends on... [12:23:50] 06Labs, 06Operations, 10wikitech.wikimedia.org: Can't login wikitech - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T144805#2820787 (10Shoichi) p:05Triage>03High >>! In T144805#2789485, @Shoichi wrote: > Months ago, I can log in,but it also happen to me. I don't know rember I had set two-factor authentication or no... [12:28:23] RECOVERY - Puppet run on tools-bastion-03 is OK: OK: Less than 1.00% above the threshold [0.0] [12:53:19] PROBLEM - Puppet run on tools-webgrid-lighttpd-1416 is CRITICAL: CRITICAL: 55.56% of data above the critical threshold [0.0] [13:12:49] 06Labs, 10Labs-Infrastructure, 10DBA: Provision with data the new labsdb servers and provide replica service with at least 1 shard from a sanitized copy from production - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T147052#2820860 (10Marostegui) [13:21:42] 06Labs, 10Labs-Infrastructure, 10DBA, 10Datasets-General-or-Unknown, 13Patch-For-Review: Provision db1095 with at least 1 shard, sanitize and test slave-side triggers - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T150802#2820867 (10Marostegui) Candidates masters for db1095: S3: Depooled servers: db1035 db1044 S1... [13:23:51] 06Labs: Request creation of labs-vpn labs project - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T143939#2584103 (10scfc) >>! In T143939#2584266, @valhallasw wrote: > To recap some of the arguments from #wikimedia-labs: > > - ProxyCommand is complex for windows users; a VPN would allow a much more user-friendly connectio... [13:28:20] RECOVERY - Puppet run on tools-webgrid-lighttpd-1416 is OK: OK: Less than 1.00% above the threshold [0.0] [13:31:11] 06Labs, 10Labs-Infrastructure: Add request queue for project membership - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T45514#2820880 (10scfc) 05Open>03declined I don't think that the requests for project membership need to be formalized. For public projects like #Tool-Labs, a process exist; for (almost?) all other... [13:34:22] Change on 12wikitech.wikimedia.org a page Nova Resource:Tools/Access Request/Wcam was modified, changed by Tim Landscheidt link https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?diff=1021745 edit summary: [13:41:05] 06Labs: Retire Labs shell access request process - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T137331#2820905 (10scfc) @bd808: I think you already completed most of this task? Do you know of any documentation that still refers to shell access requests? [13:45:06] Change on 12wikitech.wikimedia.org a page Nova Resource:Tools/Access Request/Rtrust was modified, changed by Tim Landscheidt link https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?diff=1021785 edit summary: [13:49:19] Change on 12wikitech.wikimedia.org a page Nova Resource:Tools/Access Request/Dargasia was modified, changed by Tim Landscheidt link https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?diff=1021814 edit summary: [13:52:12] Change on 12wikitech.wikimedia.org a page Nova Resource:Tools/Access Request/Ninjastrikers was modified, changed by Tim Landscheidt link https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?diff=1021835 edit summary: [14:01:56] 06Labs, 10Labs-Infrastructure: set apt to Wikimedia mirror instead of http://nova.clouds.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T68121#2820999 (10hashar) 05Open>03declined I have too many tasks in my backlog and after two years I guess it is safe to say that this will not be done. S... [14:02:15] 06Labs, 10Labs-Infrastructure, 10DBA, 10Datasets-General-or-Unknown, 13Patch-For-Review: Initial data tests for db1095 (temporary db1069 - sanitarium replacement) - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T150960#2821001 (10Marostegui) So far so good, replication is going fine and I can see new records being i... [14:09:20] 06Labs, 10Labs-Infrastructure, 10DBA, 10Datasets-General-or-Unknown, 13Patch-For-Review: Initial data tests for db1095 (temporary db1069 - sanitarium replacement) - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T150960#2821109 (10jcrespo) I believe you, I am just unsure //why// it works. BTW, I've seen replication w... [14:10:36] 06Labs, 10Labs-Infrastructure, 10wikitech.wikimedia.org: add useful content to Wikitech:Shell - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T56697#2821115 (10scfc) AFAIUI, this requires https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Grouppage-shell to be created with the link. I would suggest [[https://wikitech.wikime... [14:11:31] Change on 12wikitech.wikimedia.org a page Nova Resource:Tools/Access Request/Morteza was modified, changed by Tim Landscheidt link https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?diff=1021949 edit summary: [14:12:25] Change on 12wikitech.wikimedia.org a page Nova Resource:Tools/Access Request/Hedwig in Washington was modified, changed by Tim Landscheidt link https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?diff=1021964 edit summary: [14:19:30] 06Labs, 10Labs-Infrastructure, 10DBA, 10Datasets-General-or-Unknown, 13Patch-For-Review: Initial data tests for db1095 (temporary db1069 - sanitarium replacement) - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T150960#2821160 (10Marostegui) >>! In T150960#2821109, @jcrespo wrote: > I believe you, I am just unsure /... [14:26:54] 06Labs, 10Labs-Infrastructure, 10DBA, 10Datasets-General-or-Unknown, 13Patch-For-Review: Initial data tests for db1095 (temporary db1069 - sanitarium replacement) - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T150960#2821176 (10jcrespo) >>! In T150960#2821160, @Marostegui wrote: > We can do that, but how can we fi... [15:18:27] 06Labs, 10Labs-Infrastructure: set apt to Wikimedia mirror instead of http://nova.clouds.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T68121#2821276 (10scfc) 05declined>03Open p:05Normal>03Low a:03scfc Looking at `modules/labs_vmbuilder/files/postinst.copy`, it should be enough to p... [15:25:42] PROBLEM - Puppet run on tools-services-01 is CRITICAL: CRITICAL: 66.67% of data above the critical threshold [0.0] [15:31:59] Change on 12wikitech.wikimedia.org a page Nova Resource:Tools/Access Request/Jarallah was modified, changed by Tim Landscheidt link https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?diff=1022192 edit summary: Reverted edits by [[Special:Contributions/Jarallah|Jarallah]] ([[User talk:Jarallah|talk]]) to last revision by [[User:Tim Landscheidt|Tim Landscheidt]] [16:00:42] RECOVERY - Puppet run on tools-services-01 is OK: OK: Less than 1.00% above the threshold [0.0] [16:03:24] 06Labs, 10Tool-Labs: Cluebot writes massive logs that are making labstore run out of space and surge in load making toollabs unavailable - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T127222#2821359 (10scfc) A lot of `error.log` is: ``` 2016-11-24 15:39:44: (mod_fastcgi.c.2673) FastCGI-stderr: PHP Deprecated: mysql_co... [16:13:49] 06Labs, 10Tool-Labs, 10Tool-Labs-tools-Other: osm4wiki fills error.log with warnings about uninitialized variables - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T151568#2821384 (10scfc) [16:52:41] PROBLEM - Free space - all mounts on tools-docker-registry-01 is CRITICAL: CRITICAL: tools.tools-docker-registry-01.diskspace.root.byte_percentfree (<100.00%) [16:54:05] !log tools.stewardbots Removed 2 users from tools.stewardbots. Users with access: 12. [16:54:07] Logged the message at https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Nova_Resource:Tools.stewardbots/SAL [17:54:22] PROBLEM - Puppet run on tools-bastion-03 is CRITICAL: CRITICAL: 50.00% of data above the critical threshold [0.0] [18:29:22] RECOVERY - Puppet run on tools-bastion-03 is OK: OK: Less than 1.00% above the threshold [0.0] [19:22:13] (03PS3) 10Zppix: Adding quit message when issued command 'force-restart' [labs/tools/grrrit] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/323342 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T151508) [20:18:54] 06Labs: Request creation of labs-vpn labs project - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T143939#2822025 (10tom29739) >>! In T143939#2820868, @scfc wrote: >>>! In T143939#2584266, @valhallasw wrote: >> To recap some of the arguments from #wikimedia-labs: >> >> - ProxyCommand is complex for windows users; a VPN wo... [20:56:20] 06Labs, 10Labs-Infrastructure: cloud-init stacktrace on Precise instance first boot - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T110304#2822059 (10hashar) 05Open>03declined Precise is from the past and is being phased out. [21:09:07] 06Labs: Retire Labs shell access request process - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T137331#2822110 (10bd808) >>! In T137331#2820905, @scfc wrote: > @bd808: I think you already completed most of this task? Do you know of any documentation that still refers to shell access requests? I deleted the SMW forms aft... [21:27:51] 10Tool-Labs-tools-Global-user-contributions, 10Tool-Labs-tools-Xtools, 06Collaboration-Team-Triage, 10Flow: Add Flow contributions to GUC and Xtools - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T114777#2822141 (10Krinkle) [21:29:57] 10Tool-Labs-tools-Global-user-contributions: Limit list to contributions made within a stated date range - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T139702#2440229 (10Krinkle) @Whatamidoing-WMF Does T64914 satisfy this request? We now have "Recent changes (last 30 days)" and "Last hour only" options, in addition to the... [21:30:05] 10Tool-Labs-tools-Global-user-contributions: Limit list to contributions made within a stated date range - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T139702#2822149 (10Krinkle) p:05Triage>03Normal [21:33:23] 10Tool-Labs-tools-Global-user-contributions: Global user contributions: Support sorting results chronologically - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T70358#2822150 (10Krinkle) [21:34:02] Is it possible to run both python and php applications from the same service-group on Tool Labs? [21:40:55] 06Labs, 15User-bd808: Retire Labs shell access request process - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T137331#2822151 (10bd808) 05Open>03Resolved a:03bd808 I hacked up a version of mwgrep to search the main and help namespaces on wikitech. This helped me find and fix [[https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/w/index... [21:43:35] abbe98[m]: yes, with some qualifications [21:44:23] if you are wanting to run webservices for both PHP and Python that is a bit trickier than running arbitrary grid jobs using both [21:46:40] with the webservice runner and kubernetes it it probably not possible. With the default grid engine backend I think you could setup lighttpd config that would run both php and python cgi scripts [21:47:24] But generally your life (and the life of your co-maintainers) would be easier with python under one shared tool account and php under anohter [21:48:07] abbe98[m]: I might be able to give better guidance with more details about what you are hoping to accomplish [21:50:57] bd808 (IRC): generally I just think it would be easier to host both my Python and PHP tools from abbe98tools instead of setting up a second abbe98tools-python service-group, but I'm afraid Kubernetes is a requirement. [21:52:36] I encourage people *not* to make suites of tools like "abbe98tools" and instead make individual tools that do one thing and do it well [21:52:55] I know this isn't always a popular position to take [21:53:35] I do have a vanity index of things I've made at https://tools.wmflabs.org/bd808-test/ [21:54:00] but each one of those is in its own tool [21:54:49] I have done so in the past but the most used approach seams to be to host a bunch of tools under "usernametools". [21:55:15] I think that's a toolserver anti-pattern that persists today [21:56:06] and it least to big piles of code that one person feels very strong ownership for which is not good for the long term health of each particular tool [21:56:19] things like xtools are horrible [21:56:43] attracting co-maintainers is harder [21:56:51] code practices are generally worse [21:57:03] Ok, then my previous question is no longer relevant, Thanks! [22:13:54] bd808: still, many of those tools have eg. common libraries [22:13:59] where would they fit? [22:14:30] in the proper library management system for the language (e.g. pypi or packagist) [22:15:27] I know I'm talking like a professional software dev here :/ [22:16:32] but having a huge pile of vaguely related code in one tool account is really building things in a way that pretty much ensures that they won't survive beyond the initial developer's interest [22:17:14] to me its like if everyone wrote articles in their own User space because that was easier for them to manage than working in the main namespace [22:17:19] bd808: I mean a library like "common code by bd808 used for his tools" [22:17:49] I kind agree [22:18:06] still, I haven't bothered to make even one labs tool [22:18:13] Platonides: sure. I make things like that in to proper libraries, See https://github.com/wikimedia/wikimedia-slimapp [22:18:56] even though at some point I needed X temporary (ie. one-off) code [22:18:59] partly because of that [22:20:17] When I talk of "tools" I mainly mean webservices and bots that are intended to be used by many people [22:20:33] there is a difference for some one-off script to answer a question [22:20:48] I have the bd808-test tool account to [22:21:01] .. to muck around with little things [22:21:25] but when I have something that should be shared then I needs a home that can actually be shared [22:22:28] There is a lot of rambling about this topic at https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:BryanDavis/Developing_community_norms_for_critical_bots_and_tools [22:23:16] I really don't think that any wiki should allow main namespace links to tools that don't have multiple maintainers and published code [22:23:41] I have read it before [22:24:01] I also participated in that phabricator task ☺ [22:24:10] actually, it was me who proposed using a proxy [22:25:21] *nod* I need to keep better track of my allies :) [22:25:38] hehe [22:25:47] I just bascially assume everyone needs to be convinced until they tell me to shut up [22:26:17] I see the pros for some things [22:26:24] while others delay development [22:27:12] an issue I face is, if I'm going to publish it as a tool, I'd liek it to have an adequate name [22:27:21] but getting good names is hard ;) [22:29:03] The name in the url really isn't that important IMO [22:29:36] but... we need better directories to look things up in [22:29:55] that's on "the list" of things I want to work on fixing [22:30:15] I need to finish the account creation and management stuff first [23:47:35] 06Labs: New entries in meta_p.wiki are missing a URL - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T142759#2545702 (10Krinkle) p:05Triage>03High This is still an issue. Causing tools like `guc` to be unable to format results for these two wikis when iterating over all wikis. `url` is still the empty string for `adywiki`.