[00:01:06] Everything's fine when changed to English, though. [00:01:30] Rancher: does the serbian wiki's about page a disambiguation page? [00:01:37] Disambiguation page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/About [00:04:48] i edit mostly on my tablet. [00:04:58] yuvipanda: What do you mean? [00:05:21] Rancher: doesn't it go to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:About [00:05:21] ? [00:05:41] preilly: amit found no issues. any reason to hold off on mailing RC2 ? [00:05:56] tfinc: not that I can think of [00:07:11] k. sent [00:08:54] No, it goes to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/About. Maybe because there is no Serbian article about "About:Wikipedia", only for "Wikipedia" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia) [00:14:19] sorry, back now [00:14:26] preilly: thanks [00:14:54] philinje: np [00:14:56] Rancher: not seeing disambiguation page on my phone [00:15:01] maybe a bug? [00:15:26] Did you change it to Serbian? [00:15:34] never mind, just read your last comment [00:16:25] By the way, when I select a language in settings and exit the application, it goes back to English for some reason. [00:16:42] Steven_Zhang: we are considering various tablet approaches, especially editing or contribution related [00:16:48] Rancher: bug i'm working on [00:16:49] oh good. [00:16:57] until then i'll just use the full browser [00:17:12] if you have any ideas, please let me know [00:17:45] well, enable editing [00:17:47] we just implemented login so you should be able to login on a tablet [00:17:49] even basic editintg [00:17:57] on the mobile wikipedia app? [00:18:05] or the mobile browser version? [00:18:15] yes, but then you can browse to the regular site [00:18:58] mobile login is a specific process on any mobile device, using the browser [00:19:05] kinda defeats the purpose, no? [00:19:17] wouldnt you just use the full version anyways? [00:19:56] the reason to release mobile login was not to enable normal editing, but that is a side benefit [00:20:34] yuvipanda: OK. I changed several other languages in settings and all of them are using disambiguation page instead of Wikipedia:About. [00:20:41] we are thinking about specific workflows and certain kinds of editing for tablets [00:20:41] uh oh. [00:20:43] let me check [00:21:11] Rancher: thanks for checking - sounds like we have a general issue with many languages [00:21:19] :D [00:21:29] ah, got it [00:21:41] Checked languages: Serbian, Macedonian, Croatian, Russian. [00:21:44] we're going to Wikipedia:About in all languages [00:21:48] Bulgarian. [00:21:52] ofcourse, the title is different in each one of them [00:22:21] Rancher: can you give me the link to the 'disambiguation page' you're seeing? [00:22:28] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/About [00:22:58] Rancher: which languages did you see disambiguation in? [00:23:05] All of the mentioned above. [00:23:34] Russian and Bulgarian had "Wikipedia:About" article, why others didn't. [00:23:34] ok, sorry [00:24:22] philinje: can you file a bug? [00:25:04] yes [00:25:32] Polish gave me 404 error. [00:25:32] sounds like the issue is more about what languages have an article at Wikipedia:About [00:25:46] Maybe, but I don't think so. [00:26:04] philinje: no, the issue is [00:26:13] Wikipedia:About is probably called something else in other languages [00:26:28] it is http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Sala_stampa/Wikipedia in Italian, for example [00:26:49] philinje: Rancher check interwikilinks on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:About [00:27:45] yuvipanda: is the link hard coded, in English, in the app? [00:27:52] philinje: in the app hard coded [00:27:55] philinje: hence a bug [00:28:04] ok got it [00:28:25] philinje: can you file a bug? [00:28:37] or Rancher ? [00:29:09] i'll do it [00:29:21] philinje: thanks :) [00:29:51] probably we need to navigate the interwiki link in some automatic way, eh? [00:30:30] philinje: yes, am sure i can figure something out. [00:31:36] Oh, about Serbian main page... Can somebody add those selectors so I could automatically see the main page on Android? [00:32:25] Serbian main page is not protected, so if anyone can do it, I would be thankful. :) [00:34:49] brion: preilly can someone CR this? https://github.com/yuvipanda/WikipediaMobile/tree/sync-preferences [00:35:41] Rancher: problem is, the admin is the person who should do it, otherwise there could be issues [00:35:52] any idea who that is for Serbian Wikipedia? [00:36:58] brion: preilly it's a somewhat 'bigger' than usual change. A good look at preferences.js would also be awesome. [00:37:08] and apologies for not making the commits more atomic than just 4. [00:39:41] philinje: http://sr.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9A%D0%BE%D1%80%D0%B8%D1%81%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%BA:%D0%96%D0%B5%D1%99%D0%BA%D0%BE_%D0%A2%D0%BE%D0%B4%D0%BE%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%B8%D1%9B [00:39:58] Those Cyrillic characters... :D [00:40:18] philinje: so, what do we do if there is no Wikipedia:About page in that particular language's wiki? [00:40:34] philinje: and, shouldn't this be about the application, rather than about wikipedia? [00:40:45] I said the same thing, yuvipanda. [00:40:53] philinje: should we ping heather, get an about screen done? [00:43:00] sec [00:43:10] philinje: One of the administrators is Жељко Тодоровић in the link above. [00:43:55] thanks [00:44:39] yuvipanda: maybe a screen graphic is a good idea, i will include that in the bug [00:44:56] philinje: so it'll become about the app instead of about wikipedia [00:45:10] yuvipanda, the async function in defaults looks weird [00:45:42] does that work consistently? i'm not 100% sure whether the callback gets called async (later) or immediately [00:46:02] brion: i've a 'serializer' of sorts down there that actually does the calling [00:46:08] ah excellent [00:46:15] yuvipanda: one trade-off is the page has to be localized, if about the app [00:46:18] durrrr i skipped the comment that explains it yuvipanda [00:46:20] :DD [00:46:22] :D [00:48:58] +// Data storage still uses Lawnchair <- looks like it uses localStorage instead [00:49:08] brion: data storage uses lawnchair [00:49:17] brion: preferences use localStorage [00:49:24] oh i see [00:49:29] brion: should clarify [00:49:31] i thought it meant the data storage *for* preferences [00:49:35] k [00:49:54] looks workable [00:50:16] brion: nothing horrible? [00:50:28] brion: also, I realized we never actually separated Interface language from content language [00:50:52] well, for interface language we use the system locale always [00:51:05] currently at least :D [00:51:27] and then we overwrote the same variable later on to represent content language :D [00:51:37] yuck :) [00:51:38] now it's clearly separated. [00:51:41] yay [00:51:50] Would be better to use drop-down list for interface language, if you ask me. [00:52:20] perhaps. it's a tough decision to make at times [00:52:32] we certainly could though! [00:53:02] brion: good enough to merge? [00:53:11] I don't know. I like it better that way. More pros than cons. [00:53:29] Rancher, biggest pro is that we support more locales than Android doe [00:53:30] *does [00:53:51] so you can select your own language even if your phone is otherwise in english, german, russian whatever [00:54:18] Wow, that is even greater. [00:55:02] yuvipanda, looks good on a quick look! [00:55:03] And congratulations for having more locales than Android does. :) [00:55:08] :D [00:55:09] * yuvipanda goes to change his android phone back to english. [00:55:23] brion: I hope eventually to move everything into classes. [00:55:43] without one 'grand refactoring release!' [00:55:47] aka netscape 4 :P [00:56:31] hehe [00:56:52] yuvipanda, i approve [00:57:48] Looking forward to drop-down list language change. :P [00:59:02] philinje: uh, there was already a bug for the 'about' bug https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=32914 [00:59:14] brion: are you going to merge it in or wait for preilly to take a look as well? [01:00:41] yuvipanda, which branch was it again? [01:00:46] sync-preferences ? [01:00:49] brion: yes. [01:01:04] brion: i pushed a commit fixing that unclear comment just now, so pull :) [01:01:07] Rancher, i stuck a note in https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33528 on that so we don't forget [01:01:28] ok lemme run a quick test [01:02:41] yuvipanda: oops, should have seen that - not sure why it didn't appear [01:02:48] brion: Great. [01:02:54] philinje: i closed the other one since this had a more detailed comment [01:02:57] lookin' functional :D [01:03:15] [WikipediaMobile] brion pushed 6 new commits to master: http://git.io/9oq2vw [01:03:15] [WikipediaMobile/master] Separate preferences class created - YuviPanda [01:03:15] [WikipediaMobile/master] Move fontSize and locale to use new preferences class. - YuviPanda [01:03:15] [WikipediaMobile/master] Moved cache.js to app.js - YuviPanda [01:03:28] Project WikipediaMobile - Nightly builds build #49: SUCCESS in 6.3 sec: http://integration.mediawiki.org/ci/job/WikipediaMobile%20-%20Nightly%20builds/49/ [01:03:29] * yuvipanda: Separate preferences class created [01:03:29] * yuvipanda: Move fontSize and locale to use new preferences class. [01:03:30] * yuvipanda: Moved cache.js to app.js [01:03:30] * yuvipanda: Moved all instances of currentLocale into app [01:03:31] * yuvipanda: Clarified documentation [01:04:12] philinje: can you test the current nightly? should fix https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=33289 [01:04:41] and also shouldn't regress on https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=32907 [01:05:10] and fixes https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=32005 [01:06:14] Eh [01:06:26] Wikipedia app just opened on "Execution by firing squad" [01:07:56] that's.. interesting [01:08:08] Reedy: english? Today's FA isn't that... [01:08:17] Yup [01:08:22] that's what i'm just wondering [01:08:43] Reedy: nightly? [01:08:46] Reedy: kill restart? [01:09:03] built from git [01:09:04] just doing that [01:09:14] It's done it again [01:09:15] ... [01:09:28] I went to wikipedia home page [01:09:31] home button to close app [01:09:34] killed via task manager [01:09:36] restarted [01:10:25] Also, why doesn't the app have a specific inbuilt exit function? [01:10:45] Reedy: well, you were viewing that article last time you quit ;) [01:10:56] Reedy: android apps don't have that usually [01:10:56] I wasn't [01:11:09] Reedy: check history? [01:11:11] The back arrow usually does enough for that [01:11:19] but back just goes back a page [01:12:36] Can I not wipe my history? [01:13:49] Reedy: reinstall is the only option... [01:13:52] for now [01:13:56] Pfft [01:13:57] [01:15:21] https://www.strongspace.com/reedy/public/20120105011321.png [01:16:52] that's a lot of executions [01:17:05] kerboom [01:17:31] clearing app data seems to have done it, it's just taking an age to start [01:18:35] yuvipanda: another late one for you! [01:18:48] i have the build and will test it on the way home [01:18:55] philinje: sure :) [01:19:01] it's what, only 7 AM :) [01:19:10] When I click on the 'x' button in "Saved pages" and delete a page, it doesn't disappear right away. I have to re-enter "Saved pages". [01:19:10] jeez [01:19:30] Rancher: you mean that the list of saved pages doesn't go away? [01:19:37] Rancher: or the deleted item doesn't go away? [01:19:42] Item. [01:19:42] yuvipanda: i guess this is the true meaning of "night shift" [01:20:12] philinje: :D [01:20:20] philinje: possibly. [01:20:35] philinje: and if I'm coming to San Francisco, this would definitely beat jet lag :P [01:21:57] Does the same thing happens to you, yuvipanda? [01:22:35] Rancher: checking [01:22:57] hahaha, I just hit 'save page' on 'India' article [01:23:04] the app told me 'India saved' [01:23:18] okay, this joke isn't funny if nobody here watches cricket, so nevermind [01:23:19] Hahaha. :D :D [01:23:25] lol [01:25:05] oo, i seem to have broken something [01:25:59] You mean the app won't load? [01:26:31] philinje, i think this one: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=32319 [01:27:41] 01-05 01:27:19.530: W/KeyCharacterMap(9461): Error loading keycharmap file '/system/usr/keychars/synaptics-rmi-touchscreen.kcm.bin'. hw.keyboards.65537.devname='synaptics-rmi-touchscreen' [01:27:43] About "About" menu item, will you create about dialog or leave it as it is? (and about... : S :D) [01:27:59] Reedy: no, i seem to have broken saved pages. [01:28:15] Doesn't seem to want to load site settings etc [01:28:19] just sitting there with null menus [01:28:54] okay now that too [01:29:01] haha [01:30:24] I'm asking this because of translation. [01:31:22] i'm +1 on making it 'about app' rather than 'about wikipedia' [01:31:47] have about wikipedia link on about app [01:31:51] That's the spirit! :) [01:32:05] I heard you like about pages [01:32:10] So I put an about page on your about page... [01:32:18] :D [01:33:17] in what I call 'interesting', I seem to have hit something related to either js scoping issue or js when-is-a-definition-ready-to-use issue [01:33:34] yuvipanda: what's the issue? [01:34:24] preilly: https://github.com/wikimedia/WikipediaMobile/blob/master/assets/www/js/app.js#L118 [01:34:27] says url is undefined [01:34:32] only one place calls it ever [01:34:46] that's https://github.com/wikimedia/WikipediaMobile/blob/master/assets/www/js/app.js#L98 [01:34:49] and url is being passed in [01:35:12] So, what happened with item disappearing? :) [01:35:33] Rancher: that is there too. can you file a bug? [01:35:44] yuvipanda: what if you console.log it? [01:35:46] OK. [01:37:00] oh uh [01:37:04] damn my assumptions [01:37:08] preilly: url is 'undefined' [01:37:09] :) [01:38:07] yuvipanda: what if you console.log around this line: html = app.rewriteHtmlLightweight(data, url); [01:38:17] preilly: that's what I did [01:38:53] how does hideAndLoad: function(url) … have an undefined url? [01:39:21] yuvipanda: wait a minute [01:39:22] preilly: fixed it. [01:39:27] yuvipanda: that is in a callback [01:39:30] preilly: async issue. [01:40:00] preilly: yes, the callback in main was calling it before it knew the URL [01:40:04] whee [01:41:41] indeed [01:46:26] anybody heading out to http://www.meetup.com/BayAreaOpenSource/ tonight ? [01:47:00] okay, saved pages is still broken but atleast the app works [01:47:48] yuvipanda, anything needing a pull? [01:49:43] brion: preilly --^ [01:50:01] not me [01:50:51] brion: yes, pushing. [01:50:57] maybe [01:51:58] brion: pull req sent [01:53:16] [WikipediaMobile] brion pushed 2 new commits to master: http://git.io/5t4Alg [01:53:16] [WikipediaMobile/master] Fix initial app loading - YuviPanda [01:53:16] [WikipediaMobile/master] Merge pull request #94 from yuvipanda/fix-initialization - Brion Vibber [01:53:28] Project WikipediaMobile - Nightly builds build #50: SUCCESS in 6.4 sec: http://integration.mediawiki.org/ci/job/WikipediaMobile%20-%20Nightly%20builds/50/ [01:53:29] yuvipanda: Fix initial app loading [01:53:39] poor phil with a broken build [01:53:43] atleast that rhymes [01:53:44] sortof [01:55:43] Bug reported: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=33532 [01:57:12] ooh, looks like that has been broken for a while now :D [01:57:49] Already reported or...? [01:59:18] Rancher: no, saved pages had search bar on as ewll. [02:00:39] wait. we added a search bar to saved pages ? [02:01:00] tfinc: regression of 'two search bars' bug [02:01:03] in only saved pages. [02:01:19] i think it has been there for a while, since I don't see anything i've changed that could affect it [02:01:48] though I still don't understand why it even comes down, considering we're passing the proper header [02:01:58] i think we're missing a hideMobileLinks call [02:02:07] i'm fairly sure that header just don't work :P [02:03:05] brion: yes, we're mostly missing that. so am figuring out proper place to put that [02:03:34] One more thing. When I click on the search bar and type something, it doesn't show up there. It starts to show after I enter the second word. :S [02:03:54] Rancher: what language? [02:04:12] Rancher, consistently when you hit space? or is it just a delay? [02:04:19] Reedy: marking your stuff as dupes ;) [02:04:21] Yeah, when I hit space. [02:04:30] Pffft :p [02:04:34] curious. have not seen that before... [02:05:05] Maybe because of the unofficial keyboard layout I use. Who knows. [02:05:15] possible [02:05:30] It's called Serbian keyboard and it is available on Market. [02:05:44] I'll try with Samsung keyboard and Swype. [02:05:46] preilly: can we resolve this https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=33492 ? [02:06:53] tfinc: I believe so [02:07:54] Rancher, with 'serbian keyboard' i see your waits-until-space behaviro when typing cyrillic, but not when typing latin [02:07:55] weird :) [02:08:27] tfinc: Mid-air collision detected! [02:08:35] :) [02:08:41] Um, I was typing Latin. :S Anyway, I just tried Samsung keyboard and Swype and it works just fine. [02:08:56] Rancher, it may be something with typing non-ascii characters that have to be inserted differently, it may not be firing the key event we expect [02:09:21] But I was typing clear English, ASCII. [02:09:48] weird [02:10:04] i get the same behavior typing ascii vs non-ascii chars with the stock android keyboard [02:10:10] ascii == searches immediately [02:10:11] or it might be something with non-standard keyboards? [02:10:18] ah nevermind [02:10:18] non-ascii == doesn't search until i type another ascii char [02:11:21] ok i gotta run [02:11:25] Yeah, I have to click on Space before typing. I'll need to memorize that. :D [02:11:41] we'll see if we can resolve that, but it'll depend on what events we get :D [02:11:43] gah naming. why is the function that actually starts the search process named 'checkLength'? [02:11:45] * yuvipanda sighs [02:12:09] yuvipanda, i think they distribute a lot of crack cocaine at nitobi, they made some .... weird function name decisions ;) [02:12:16] ok laters all [02:12:18] I could see that :) [02:12:33] :D [02:13:13] Dumb question: Where's the list of all reported bugs on BugZilla? [02:13:31] all bugs for the launch of the android app ? [02:13:45] Concerning WikipediaMobile. [02:13:53] In general. [02:14:05] https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/buglist.cgi?query_format=advanced&list_id=74837&bug_status=UNCONFIRMED&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=REOPENED&component=android&resolution=---&resolution=LATER&resolution=DUPLICATE&product=Wikimedia%20Mobile [02:14:21] Rancher: --^ [02:14:31] Where did you find it? :D [02:14:44] i went here https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/query.cgi?format=advanced [02:14:46] okay, am off. too late/early. 8AM [02:14:48] and selected them [02:14:51] seeya yuvipanda [02:14:52] tfinc: gnite :) [02:15:16] Good night. [02:15:39] Advanced search. I should of know it. >_> :P [02:19:47] What does Forward button in app do? :S [02:20:08] For me, it doesn't do a thing. [02:22:14] if you hit back on the app to see a previous page then it'll let you go to you original page [02:23:45] Oh, right. >.< [02:24:01] preilly: what do you want me to highlight at the metrics meeting ? [02:26:36] tfinc: zero and android [02:29:16] tfinc: and maybe iOS fixes [02:29:32] what zero links do we have to share? [02:29:42] i have the ones from our tues meeting [02:29:44] tfinc: we could show the landing page [02:29:54] tfinc: yeah, just those for now [02:29:59] k [02:30:05] tfinc: demo the images part too I suppose [02:39:42] How to delete application history? [02:56:02] See you. [07:55:04] i want a wikinews mobile app [17:40:18] yehhhah [17:47:28] yuvipanda: hi, did you get my email? [17:47:45] no, let me check. [17:48:50] philinje: heh, yeah. we fixed that about 5 minutes after you left [17:49:12] want to send a new build? [17:49:25] philinje: check the nightly? [17:49:27] in !topic [17:50:01] is it called Wikipedia_latest? [17:51:47] Wikipedia_latest points to the latest build [17:51:59] or use the date / sha1 one if you want to make sure which one you grab [17:52:18] thanks, what I meant was: is "latest" the one with the fix? [17:52:40] MaxSem: hi Max, you there? [17:52:47] philinje: should be. [17:52:48] hi, yes [17:53:04] could you re-send the public link to test the RSS feed? [17:53:14] http://mobile-feeds.wmflabs.org/w/index.php/Main_Page [17:57:24] MaxSem: thanks, looks good. How flexible is this function? Can we change which content appears easily? [17:58:04] yes, wiki's sysops can adjust the feeds themselves [17:59:01] what if we wanted "In the news" or any other article, can we create a new feed easily (internally)? [17:59:31] yes, we have a lot of presets already at http://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki/trunk/extensions/FeaturedFeeds/FeaturedFeedsWMF.php?view=markup [18:00:05] fantastic, thanks [18:00:25] though not In the news, because it relies on rotating URLs [18:00:29] today we have our monthly metrics meeting - do you guys know how to dial in on Webex? [18:00:47] * MaxSem googles webex [18:02:08] screensharing conferencey software [18:02:17] philinje, it's usually a weblink username/password [18:02:19] philinje, if a site wants a dynamic, changeable at any moment feed like news, they should use something like stuff used by WikiNews [18:02:39] * MaxSem doesn't have a webcam anyway [18:03:07] It's usually to see what's on the presenters machine [18:03:10] no webcam needed, you can listen to audio and see what is being presented [18:03:23] I've never attempted to join it remotely, just when in the office [18:03:42] but we have presets for FA, picture of the day, media of the day, ont this day, DYK, quote of the day [18:03:47] anyway, it's optional, the main news is the monthly report card, which is available online [18:04:05] MaxSem: awesome [18:06:32] MaxSem: sorry, dumb question but how do I subscribe to the feed? [18:07:43] the feed gets published in page , just like 'il good RC feed link. then everything depends on client - for example, in Opera there's a feed icon in address bar [18:09:09] hmm, don't see anything like that in FF or IE. lame [18:09:28] not in Safari either [18:09:37] i think we need a subscribe link [18:09:56] IE in vector sidebar... doable [18:10:30] s/IE/i.e./ [18:10:36] hahah :) [18:12:34] maybe alongside OMG I'M a FA FEED (let's change that to View Feed or something like that) [18:12:45] philinje: it's a wiki [18:12:56] philinje: you can change it... [18:13:39] right, thanks [18:14:11] ok, will share this with Global Dev folks, unless Tomasz has done that already [18:15:34] * MaxSem is open to ideas where to put it, exactly [18:16:05] sidebar could be too narrow for link descriptions [18:16:16] I vote footer towards the right side [18:16:25] with a atom feed icon [18:16:36] Content is available under Creative Commons Attribution Share Alike. [18:16:44] near it^^? [18:16:57] preilly, there could be several feeds [18:17:29] MaxSem: I would put them below the icons [18:17:44] sounds good [18:17:52] anything up with mobile-feeds.wmflabs .. its hanging for me ? [18:18:06] at least enwiki publishes 3 types of daily content suitable for FeaturedFeeds [18:18:25] tfinc: hangs for me too [18:18:38] tfinc: now it finally loaded [18:18:40] and its up [18:21:26] MaxSem: maybe above the icons is better, stacking the number of feeds? [18:21:38]