[00:21:58] <brion>	 preilly, ok i think 'BeforePageRedirect' hook will work for this as well
[00:22:41] <brion>	 could maybe just regex every damn url in there ;)
[00:23:18] <preilly>	 brion: ha ha
[00:40:15] <preilly>	 brion: can you look at * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/108702> /trunk/extensions/MobileFrontend/MobileFrontend.php: fix for Bug 33441 - Random button directing to regular website
[00:43:12] <brion>	 lookin
[00:44:01] <brion>	 preilly, do we do that sort of url rewriting in other places? might be wise to consolidate
[00:44:34] <preilly>	 brion: I added parsePageRedirect to consolidate it
[00:44:42] <preilly>	 brion: can can tweak further as well
[00:45:21] <brion>	 anywhere else we produce those links? does this need to be conditional or is the condition already applied?
[00:45:53] <preilly>	 brion: well, it's only on Randompage and only when xDevice is set
[00:46:21] <brion>	 so we can assume that $wgMobileDomain is set and in use
[00:46:21] <brion>	 ?
[00:46:44] <preilly>	 brion: well, if it's blank that's okay too
[00:51:47] <brion>	 philinje, got that link handy?
[01:01:59] <philinje>	 http://ar.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%AF%D9%82%D9%87%D9%84%D9%8A%D8%A9
[01:03:43] <brion>	 that page itself looks okish
[01:03:49] <brion>	 the image goes right up to the edge of my screen though :)
[01:04:23] <brion>	 if you zoom in on the map it may not scroll properly
[01:04:30] <brion>	 but it opens in an external window for me ... weird
[01:04:53] <brion>	 in regular browser that image page is fine (since it gets the special css)
[01:05:31] <brion>	 there's a template in a later section in the page which is too wide for the screen
[01:06:13] <brion>	 just a case where it should be refactored, mainly
[01:06:18] <brion>	 but it'd be nice to scroll if/when needed
[01:06:25] <philinje>	 yes
[01:06:35] <brion>	 in the browser does it scroll horizontally? it should.
[01:06:56] <philinje>	 not my browser, and Moushira said she couldn't scroll in the app
[01:07:33] <brion>	 ok more worrying is that on that page in my web browser, the search bar is missing
[01:07:38] <brion>	 as is the footer
[01:07:45] <brion>	 which may indeed indicate some cache pollution
[01:07:55] <preilly>	 brion: yeah, I think so
[01:07:55] <philinje>	 yes, i noticed that too
[01:08:27] <philinje>	 is that difficult to deal with?
[01:09:42] <brion>	 don't know
[01:10:20] <preilly>	 well, we can make sure that the app isn't sending those headers and then flush the cache
[01:10:36] <brion>	 philinje, ok i can't scroll horizontally in the regular web browser either on android 2.3.x, so we're pretty much just 'sorry no horizontal scrolling for RTL'
[01:11:05] <brion>	 in theory yeah :D
[01:11:35] <philinje>	 crap!
[01:13:57] <philinje>	 i think we should try to fix the scrolling, and decide if we want to delay the release end of day tomorrow
[01:14:32] <philinje>	 we could do a point release for RTL languages after the main release
[01:15:19] <wikipedia-github>	 [WikipediaMobile] brion pushed 1 new commit to master: http://git.io/7aNKdw
[01:15:19] <wikipedia-github>	 [WikipediaMobile/master] Drop 'Application-Version' headers; don't trust em, don't need them for magic rewrites anymore. - Brion Vibber
[01:15:32] <mw-jenkinsbot>	 Project WikipediaMobile - Nightly builds build #72: SUCCESS in 6.5 sec: http://integration.mediawiki.org/ci/job/WikipediaMobile%20-%20Nightly%20builds/72/
[01:15:32] <mw-jenkinsbot>	 brion: Drop 'Application-Version' headers; don't trust em, don't need them for magic rewrites anymore.
[01:18:42] <philinje>	 bug 32123
[01:23:43] <brion>	 tfinc, http://tinyurl.com/73ql8x3
[01:23:47] <brion>	 last section
[01:33:22] <tfinc>	 thanks brion
[18:28:41] <MaxSem>	 me waves at Andre_Engels
[18:29:07] <MaxSem>	 congratulations!
[18:34:20] <tfinc>	 hey Andre_Engels !
[18:45:20] <Andre_Engels>	 Hi
[18:45:25] <Andre_Engels>	 Sorry, didn't notice before
[18:46:36] * yuvipanda  waves at Andre_Engels too

[18:47:30] * Andre_Engels  smiles

[18:51:45] <tfinc>	 yuvipanda: we had a our go/no meeting yesterday and everything looks pretty set to push to the market tomorrow
[18:51:56] <tfinc>	 i'm just trying to resolve the @wikimedia.org android market issue on my end
[18:52:13] <yuvipanda>	 tfinc: cool :D
[18:52:32] <yuvipanda>	 tfinc: so it's going to be live on market tomorrow?
[18:52:35] <tfinc>	 do you have any pending changes that need to go into  the release branch ?
[18:52:36] <tfinc>	 yes!
[18:52:38] <tfinc>	 i'm excited
[18:52:39] <yuvipanda>	 and 'marketing'/'outreach' will come on later?
[18:52:43] <tfinc>	 yes!
[18:52:45] <yuvipanda>	 nope, nothing :)
[18:52:46] <tfinc>	 let me send you the ether pad
[18:52:49] <yuvipanda>	 ah yes
[18:53:01] <tfinc>	 http://etherpad.wikimedia.org/WikipediaMobileAndroidRelease
[18:53:11] <tfinc>	 i'll mail that out to the mobile-l@ list later today
[18:53:14] <tfinc>	 so that people know
[18:53:16] <philinje>	 tfinc: what about the RTL scrolling problem? granted that is on Mobile FE
[18:53:46] <tfinc>	 but the plan is to launch it quietly and see what reviewers say
[18:53:57] <tfinc>	 if things go well then we push to the amazon and fdroid stores next week
[18:54:04] <tfinc>	 and do blog post at the end of next week
[18:54:16] <yuvipanda>	 philinje: i think brion fixed it?
[18:54:26] <philinje>	 really, last night?
[18:54:37] <tfinc>	 philinje: we'll have to talk with preilly about possible solutions there. its not an android app issue.
[18:54:46] <tfinc>	 i DO have to fix tr.m today though
[18:54:55] <tfinc>	 didn't get around to it it last night
[18:55:03] <yuvipanda>	 philinje: yes. 01923397c857d9
[18:55:08] <tfinc>	 actually .. yuvipanda think you could take care of the for me ?
[18:55:09] <tfinc>	 if your not too busy
[18:55:14] <yuvipanda>	 tr.m?
[18:55:26] <tfinc>	 yuvipanda: do you have a staff and/or admin wiki account ?
[18:55:41] <yuvipanda>	 i think so
[18:56:02] <tfinc>	 ok. so if you load http://tr.m.wikipedia.org/ you'll see that the main page is pretty empty
[18:56:30] <tfinc>	 we need to have a better turkish main page as turkish will be one of our partner launch stores.
[18:56:44] <tfinc>	 now the reason it doesn't work is because their main page doesn't have the right id's
[18:56:54] <yuvipanda>	 wait, i don't have an admin/staff account on *wikipedia*. got it wrong. ugh.
[18:57:11] <tfinc>	 you can easily see how to set them if you read this http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mobile_Projects/Mobile_Gateway#Mobile_homepage
[18:57:24] <tfinc>	 if you can't do it then i'll take care of it when get into the office
[18:57:26] <tfinc>	 going to commute now
[18:57:29] <tfinc>	 no worries if you cant
[18:57:31] <yuvipanda>	 tfinc: okay.
[18:57:38] <tfinc>	 yuvipanda: enjoy the quiet time now ;)
[18:57:41] <yuvipanda>	 tfinc: heh
[18:57:43] <tfinc>	 i'm sure we'll get plenty of feedback on launch
[18:57:49] <yuvipanda>	 can't edit, no rights
[18:58:08] <tfinc>	 so set time aside over the weekend and next week to just respond to people
[18:58:33] <tfinc>	 i'm purposefully keeping things slow so that we can monitor peoples responses
[18:58:57] <tfinc>	 ok heading in. then i'm talking to rayne as i think i know whats wrong with our @wikimedia.org android account
[19:01:59] <brion>	 hey all
[19:02:31] <MaxSem>	 yo
[19:03:24] <yuvipanda>	 hey brion
[19:03:48] <yuvipanda>	 wah, I'm a weekend away from meeting y'all :O
[19:06:40] <brion>	 \o/
[19:08:27] <MaxSem>	 so what will be Andre's task? API usage stats?
[19:08:47] <tfinc>	 MaxSem: philinje can tell you all about it
[19:12:40] <Andre_Engels>	 analytics, in particular for the mobile usage
[19:49:24] <yuvipanda>	 tfinc: know of your india travel plans?
[19:49:34] <yuvipanda>	 i'm just looking for dates :)
[19:49:37] <yuvipanda>	 brion: ^
[19:50:17] <brion>	 whatever the defaults are i think :D
[19:50:35] <yuvipanda>	 what are the defaults? :P
[19:54:23] <philinje>	 MaxSem: let me direct you to a page
[19:54:44] <philinje>	 http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Analytics/Pageviews/Mobile#Mobile_Metrics
[19:55:06] <tfinc>	 brion: any pending changes needing to go into the android release branch ?
[19:55:56] <yuvipanda>	 tfinc: merge master into the release branch.
[19:56:03] <MaxSem>	 philinje, whee
[19:56:14] <yuvipanda>	 tfinc: brion fixed an RTL bug and I fixed another UI issue there. Not sure if they were merged into release branch
[19:58:13] <tfinc>	 how risky are they to merge?
[19:58:27] <tfinc>	 i'd love to cut RC5 for us to test with in the channel
[19:58:51] <tfinc>	 not big changes so i don't' see a need to mail it to everyone to test today
[19:59:19] <tfinc>	 heads up that while i resolved the @wikimedia.org android market issue .. the store is still not letting me finish the registration
[19:59:20] <yuvipanda>	 tfinc: pretty small, just one issue amir reported and one philinje reported.
[19:59:23] <brion>	 philinje, results of my rtl scroll testing: (In reply to comment #13)
[19:59:23] <brion>	 > Seeing the scrolling problem in Android app with Arabic pages, possibly all RTL
[19:59:23] <brion>	 > languages. Here is an example:
[19:59:23] <brion>	 >
[19:59:23] <brion>	 > http://ar.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%AF%D9%82%D9%87%D9%84%D9%8A%D8%A9
[19:59:23] <brion>	 (In reply to comment #14)
[19:59:25] <brion>	 > Also Android browser on nexus One 2.3.6.
[19:59:27] <brion>	 (In reply to comment #15)
[19:59:29] <brion>	 > Last section on that page when opened has a better example of the problem.
[19:59:31] <brion>	 bbah
[19:59:33] <brion>	 that's the wrong paste :)
[19:59:36] <brion>	 https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Au4uRHcaarTrdDdMenNCSVVWUXRrakxFajdDWEk5cVE
[19:59:43] <brion>	 ^ that's the right one
[20:00:50] <tfinc>	 fun
[20:00:55] <tfinc>	 but this is all in MF right ?
[20:01:35] <brion>	 that's a minimal test page
[20:01:45] <brion>	 Tested http://leuksman.com/misc/ltr.html and http://leuksman.com/misc/rtl.html
[20:01:48] <MaxSem>	 grrr grrr
[20:02:06] * MaxSem  is insane from return to JS

[20:03:01] <tfinc>	 MaxSem: hit up trevor or teemo with js questions
[20:04:18] <MaxSem>	 I've no ungooglable questions. I've lack of their mad skillz
[20:04:36] <tfinc>	 lolz
[20:05:16] <tfinc>	 are you at least using jQuery to make your life easier?
[20:05:31] * yuvipanda  is young enough in web-dev to not know of the time-before-jquery

[20:05:42] <yuvipanda>	 wah, even that's been more than 2 years o_O
[20:05:49] <tfinc>	 yuvipanda: back in my day we had to code js by hand!
[20:05:52] <tfinc>	 kids these days ...
[20:05:58] <tfinc>	 spoiled!
[20:06:04] <preilly>	 ha ha
[20:06:08] <tfinc>	 we didn't even have firebug
[20:06:10] <tfinc>	 the madness!
[20:06:28] * preilly  read that in an old man's voice 

[20:06:47] <yuvipanda>	 preilly: always in this voice http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xe1a1wHxTyo
[20:08:25] <preilly>	 ha hah
[20:16:20] <MaxSem>	 great! Firebug has just crashed my FF!
[20:19:09] <MaxSem>	 enough APISB for today, I'm already here --> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-EI33HTBLCg
[20:29:05] <preilly>	 ha
[20:46:08] <yuvipanda>	 today is probably gah javascript day. sigh.
[20:50:16] <yuvipanda>	 when was the last time anyone tried out sharing pages?
[20:50:33] <yuvipanda>	 tfinc: philinje i've a botched build here, can you guys check if 'share' works for you?
[20:50:56] <tfinc>	 sure in a bit
[21:10:57] <yuvipanda>	 preilly: btw, even the english wiktionary's mobile site is blank (http://en.m.wiktionary.org/)
[21:21:58] <aharoni>	 Hallo.
[21:23:01] <aharoni>	 Today i managed to make my GPS work. While i was on a train, i entered the map view and saw myself moving.
[21:23:19] <aharoni>	 But i didn't see any article markers on the map.
[21:23:30] <aharoni>	 I tried it in several languages and nothing worked.
[21:27:11] <yuvipanda>	 aharoni: hello!
[21:27:15] <yuvipanda>	 were there articles around that place?
[21:27:55] <MaxSem>	 what search radius does geonames use?
[21:30:18] <yuvipanda>	 MaxSem: doesn't seem to be documented (http://www.geonames.org/export/wikipedia-webservice.html)
[21:30:48] <MaxSem>	 funny
[21:36:33] <aharoni>	 yuvipanda, it was near the old city of Jerusalem. There are many dozens of places with articles about them there.
[21:37:49] <yuvipanda>	 ah wait
[21:37:56] <yuvipanda>	 aharoni: did you hit 'redo search in this area' any time?
[21:40:05] <aharoni>	 yuvipanda, yes, i tried it.
[21:40:12] <aharoni>	 was it a bad mistake?
[21:40:51] <yuvipanda>	 no, hitting 'redo search in this area' is supposed to put up a spinner till it found something
[21:40:54] <yuvipanda>	 did it for you?
[21:41:02] <aharoni>	 no. didn't find anything.
[21:41:07] <yuvipanda>	 or did it just come up, spin for a while, and then go away with no places?
[21:41:23] <aharoni>	 the location on the street was correct, but no article markers were shown.
[21:42:14] <yuvipanda>	 aharoni: can you whip it out now and try it?
[21:46:10] <aharoni>	 tried it, and no - it still doesn't show anything.
[21:48:32] <yuvipanda>	 uh oh.
[21:48:37] <yuvipanda>	 aharoni: menu -> my location
[21:48:38] <yuvipanda>	 now?
[21:48:44] * tfinc  wants to seriously make the android market support team

[21:48:47] <tfinc>	 mame*
[21:48:49] <tfinc>	 :)
[21:49:21] <aharoni>	 yuvipanda, i tried it, and no, it still doesn't show anything.
[21:49:47] <aharoni>	 when i'm inside the house, it doesn't show the location; when i go outside, the blue dot appears but itself.
[21:49:55] <aharoni>	 [by itself]
[21:58:10] <philinje>	 yuvipanda: share seems to work for me, but just noticed the URL starts with HTTPS
[21:58:26] <yuvipanda>	 philinje: yes, our app is on https, hence...
[21:58:33] <philinje>	 I thought we decided not to use HTTPS?
[21:59:03] <philinje>	 also Brion merged in the two changes yesterday, including yours about saved pages
[22:01:51] <philinje>	 aharoni: when you say the blue dot appears by itself, do you mean the map is showing also or not?
[22:01:52] <yuvipanda>	 philinje: okay, cool if brion merged it in.
[22:02:26] <aharoni>	 philinje - when i'm in the house, the map is showing without the dot. when i go out, it appears.
[22:03:27] <yuvipanda>	 weird, works fine for me...
[22:06:00] <tfinc>	 wait .. we agreed on https by default a bit ago
[22:06:18] <tfinc>	 philinje: was there a reason why you wanted not to have it?
[22:06:55] <yuvipanda>	 yes, that's what I remember too
[22:06:57] <yuvipanda>	 (https on by default)
[22:15:27] <aharoni>	 what is the reason for not having the usual two-fingers zoom in the Wikipedia app?
[22:17:07] <tfinc>	 aharoni: it broke the search box when we unlocked it
[22:26:13] <brion>	 i wonder, we might be able to put that back when we redo the toolbars to only pop up when used
[22:26:38] <brion>	 *should* be able to identify the visible scroll region and shrink to fit or something :D
[22:26:55] <yuvipanda>	 brion: or iscroll?
[22:27:02] <yuvipanda>	 and turn it on only on 4+?
[22:27:04] <brion>	 or else do the iscroll thing... which doesn't do pinch-zoom on android 2.x but does on 3/4 and ios
[22:27:07] <brion>	 yeah
[22:27:13] <yuvipanda>	 3+
[22:27:23] <brion>	 reminds me, i picked up a 3.x tablet to test with
[22:27:32] <brion>	 so i'll probably start on an initial stub tablet interface mode soon
[22:27:52] <brion>	 just put the search/history/saved/settings over on a sidebar or something maybe :)
[22:30:31] <brion>	 updating it to 3.2 right now... sslloowwllyy unpacking the update :P
[22:33:41] <yuvipanda>	 brion: are we going to maintain a 'unified' code base across phones, tablets (android and iOS)?
[22:34:00] <brion>	 yuvipanda, yep!
[22:34:03] <yuvipanda>	 cool :)
[22:34:10] <brion>	 i've already got it partially working on ios
[22:34:23] <yuvipanda>	 well, i was talking more along tablet and phone interfaces.
[22:34:35] <brion>	 so then we'll just need it to smartly arrange things for small vs larger screens
[22:34:36] <brion>	 yep
[22:35:35] <brion>	 the platform-specific bits can still override; for instance on android we use the menu while on ios small screen we need a toolbar at bottom of screen; ios large screen (ipad) we'd probably want the buttons on the top toolbar
[22:35:49] <brion>	 and android tablet would be some mish-mash :D
[22:35:55] <yuvipanda>	 :D
[22:35:56] <yuvipanda>	 cool
[22:36:07] <yuvipanda>	 i'm objectifying everything now
[22:36:11] <yuvipanda>	 think i've the awful bits worked out
[22:36:22] <brion>	 excellent
[22:36:54] <yuvipanda>	 brion: i was hoping to get it to a point where we could basically move across form factors with just a modified index.html file
[22:37:30] <brion>	 i'm actually more inclined to keep the same index.html and let the CSS and JS do the differences
[22:37:50] <tfinc>	 yuvipanda: do you still need me to test share?
[22:37:53] <brion>	 that also means that, say a web app version of it would be able to adjust to different window sizes
[22:37:56] <yuvipanda>	 brion: ideally we'd need to change *just* css
[22:38:00] <brion>	 yeah
[22:38:02] <yuvipanda>	 tfinc: nah, philinje did
[22:38:32] <tfinc>	 k
[22:38:35] <yuvipanda>	 brion: i was thinking html + css instead of css + js
[22:38:45] <yuvipanda>	 brion: assuming the major difference we'd be doing would be layout changes
[22:39:09] <brion>	 i think the kind of layout changes we'll need are mostly in positioning and chaning what's visible by default
[22:39:20] <brion>	 like positioning some things in a sidebar instead of fullscreen
[22:39:43] <brion>	 and it's easier to use a common index.html, though it's not hard to load up a separate one
[22:47:05] <yuvipanda>	 woah, git's awesome!
[22:47:26] <yuvipanda>	 it tracked the change where brion dropped the extra http header across a completely different file across two commits
[22:47:31] <yuvipanda>	 and dropped it
[22:47:54] <brion>	 \o/
[22:48:31] <yuvipanda>	 brion: so, i shall 'finish' the refactor and then we'll merge it in?
[22:48:36] <yuvipanda>	 or do we keep merging it in?
[22:48:42] <yuvipanda>	 shall take a day or so more, I hope
[22:49:11] <brion>	 yuvipanda, go ahead and finish in branch, be easier if we need to throw any quick fixes in before release in the next couple days
[22:49:18] <yuvipanda>	 okay
[22:49:31] <brion>	 then we can land the branch and keep working for the next version \o/
[22:49:41] <yuvipanda>	 brion: it's here btw, https://github.com/yuvipanda/WikipediaMobile/tree/templating-refactor
[22:49:54] <yuvipanda>	 in commits not atomic enough for my tastes
[22:53:30] <tfinc>	 so i'm still not in for my @wikimedia.org android market account :(
[22:53:40] <tfinc>	 but i'm going to stage it on my @gmail account
[22:54:01] <tfinc>	 uhoh https://github.com/jdlrobson/WikipediaMobile
[22:54:07] <tfinc>	 preilly: --^ :D
[22:54:20] <tfinc>	 so i'm happy to announce that the mobile team is going to be growing!
[22:54:45] <tfinc>	 we have our first hire for our open front end role
[22:55:18] <brion>	 whee
[22:55:20] <preilly>	 damn
[22:56:11] <tfinc>	 i'll be sending out an intro mail soon but for those that haven't talked to jon yet … here is his backround http://jonrobson.me.uk/
[22:58:08] <yuvipanda>	 brion: i'm not touching ios/platform.js during the refactor. will have to go there later.
[22:58:10] <yuvipanda>	 wah
[22:58:13] <yuvipanda>	 wheee!
[22:59:56] <brion>	 ok
[23:00:16] <tfinc>	 ok .. time to pick out what info we want in our market keystone file
[23:00:34] <tfinc>	 here is what i've been signing with
[23:00:35] <tfinc>	 Owner: CN=Tomasz Finc, OU=Unknown, O=Wikimedia Foundation, L=San Francisco, ST=California, C=US
[23:00:44] <tfinc>	 what do we want the CN and OU to be ?
[23:01:10] <preilly>	 Wikimedia Foundation Wikimedia Foundation Engineering
[23:01:19] <brion>	 Wikimedia Foundation, Mobile ?
[23:01:45] <preilly>	 yeah, I guess Mobile makes a bit more sense
[23:06:57] <yuvipanda>	 close to 5
[23:07:01] <yuvipanda>	 crashing now.
[23:07:03] <yuvipanda>	 gnite everyone!
[23:48:58] <tfinc>	 ok back
[23:49:11] <tfinc>	 so .. we like Wikimedia Foundation, Mobile  ?
[23:49:45] <tfinc>	 speak up now as we won't be able to change it later
[23:52:09] <tfinc>	 … sold!
[23:52:50] <preilly>	 ha
[23:55:02] <tfinc>	 preilly: brion : "Is CN=Wikimedia Foundation, OU=Mobile, O=Wikimedia Foundation, L=San Francisco, ST=California, C=US correct? y/n"
[23:56:39] <preilly>	 y