[00:02:52] [WikipediaMobile] brion pushed 1 new commit to master: http://git.io/4841LQ [00:02:52] [WikipediaMobile/master] try using 'proper' scrolling for tablet view -- seems ok on iOS 5 and Android 3+, but Android 2.x tablets will need a fallback - Brion Vibber [00:03:11] Project WikipediaMobile - Nightly builds build #80: SUCCESS in 12 sec: http://integration.mediawiki.org/ci/job/WikipediaMobile%20-%20Nightly%20builds/80/ [00:03:12] brion: try using 'proper' scrolling for tablet view -- seems ok on iOS 5 and Android 3+, but Android 2.x tablets will need a fallback [00:16:33] anyone around? [00:20:10] ohai [00:20:26] (although i'm going to sleep very soon) [00:26:50] aharoni: hai [00:26:55] coming for the SF hackathon? [00:29:54] yuvipanda, wait for rush hour in the morning ;) [00:29:59] then it'll be busy [00:30:23] If you want it to be *really really* busy, you'll have to go next time it's SF pride [00:30:23] Reedy: heh, but still. compared to India... [00:30:39] also, people speak softly. [00:30:53] over there, people talking to each other - you can hear them about 20 ft away [00:31:45] also my ears haven't popped, so I think my ears are sortof dull right now [00:34:08] must resist urge to sleep before 10pm or so [00:51:24] yuvipanda: i'm not coming to SF, but i am coming to Pune. [00:51:36] aharoni: ah, cool :D [00:52:49] damn it, it's 03:00am here. i'm off to bed! [00:53:34] yuvipanda: make it over ok ? [00:54:47] tomaszf: so far :D [00:54:55] excellent [00:55:08] tomaszf: are you at the office today? [00:55:14] hotel, flight, etc work out ok? [00:55:22] nope, i'll be back tomorrow [00:55:30] today is a holiday [00:55:39] ah, right. [00:55:42] but some people did come in to work on SOPA [00:55:46] * tomaszf related issues [00:55:47] tomaszf: yup, worked out much better than expected [00:55:54] excellent [00:56:15] so just trying to make sure I don't sleep till 10pm or so, so I have a 'normal' schedule around here [00:56:25] well have to pick out a spot for you in the office tomorrow [00:56:26] hehe [00:56:27] yeah [00:56:33] we'll be there by 10AM [00:56:38] enjoy whats left in the day [00:56:45] tomaszf: okay, i'll turn up at 10am too :) [00:56:46] its nice out there .. albeit cold [00:57:11] yes, very! [00:57:15] but compared to london, not that bad [00:57:22] my hands are freezing though :| [00:57:39] i bring gloves for days like this [00:57:51] run prime95 on your laptop [00:57:52] we'll talk about this tomorrow but good news on the android app [00:58:10] Reedy: doens't work, this macbook air is alumnium and always *COLDER* than normal [00:58:15] tomaszf: i saw only one review [00:58:15] 559 total installs (users) [00:58:23] 14 reviewers [00:58:35] i see at least 6 comments [00:58:47] yuvipanda, energy cannot be destroyed [00:58:54] tomaszf: https://market.android.com/details?id=org.wikipedia [00:58:58] i see only one :( [00:59:00] and one actual review which is surprising since were not publicizing it till later this week [00:59:08] Part of it is going to be get it further up the search results for people [00:59:16] so they're not using ad riddled 3rd party apps [00:59:23] hehe [00:59:27] Reedy: true, but the 'in flight entertainment' display was hotter than my laptop [00:59:40] also my laptop lated the entire flight when I wasn't awake (~9h) :D [00:59:47] *lasted [00:59:57] yuvipanda: thats because their the french, german, etc stores [01:00:02] here are the last ones [01:00:03] http://pastebin.com/Z6sqewtK [01:00:10] aha [01:00:22] will hit google translate [01:00:31] 1 Android 2.3.3+ 51.6% (49) [01:00:31] 2 Android 2.2 21.1% (20) [01:00:31] 3 Android 4.0.3 7.4% (7) [01:00:31] 4 Android 3.1 3.2% (3) [01:00:32] 5 Android 4.0 2.1% (2) [01:00:32] 6 Android 3.2 1.1% (1 [01:00:42] 1 Germany 17.9% (17) [01:00:42] 2 United States 16.8% (16) [01:00:43] 3 Israel 8.4% (8) [01:00:43] 4 Spain 6.3% (6) [01:00:43] 5 Hungary 6.3% (6) [01:00:44] 6 Italy 5.3% (5) [01:00:44] 7 Poland 4.2% (4) [01:00:44] 8 France 4.2% (4) [01:00:44] 9 Sweden 3.2% (3) [01:00:45] 10 China 3.2% (3 [01:01:23] so stat wise we have : platform version, devices, country, and languge [01:01:58] yuvipanda: and if you think that one is fun [01:02:06] check this out http://www.geonames.org/img/charts/ws-creditsld8163-NhBKEPcu6P86DGxC7SYivA.png [01:02:20] holy [01:02:29] thats number of near by me queries per day with no publicity [01:02:51] Have we got lots of spare credits? [01:02:59] and we just barely started to make that interesting [01:03:02] i have more plans for it [01:03:05] can we get stats on how many views are being hit via the android app? [01:03:13] Reedy: hehe [01:03:14] Credits Total Used: 136,621 (2%) [01:03:28] Credits Total: 5,000,000 [01:03:33] ah [01:03:41] we've got some breathing room then ;) [01:03:45] each wikipedia query cost 2 on geonames though [01:03:51] Reedy: yup [01:04:11] yuvipanda: not from their dashboard. this is why i want to host the service [01:04:16] we can get much better analytics then [01:04:28] tomaszf: no, normal article accesses [01:04:32] m.* [01:04:44] ahh [01:04:52] andre will be able to break those out for us [01:05:02] also hit a 'bug' in Lawnchair, need to hit docs and if not, fix. [01:05:02] so that it'll just show up on stats.w [01:06:23] we'll certainly chat more tomorrow. enjoy your time without us rushing to do more ;) [01:06:28] but things are looking good [01:06:28] o [01:06:28] h [01:06:31] heh, sure [01:07:31] http://www.androidzoom.com/android_applications/books_and_reference/wikipedia_bxjqv.html <-- yuvipanda [01:09:03] "All well-known Wikipedia cons" [01:09:04] Nice [01:09:39] a widget update? [01:09:51] a widget for this? [01:09:57] hmm, featured article/news widget perhaps [01:10:08] recent changes widget! [01:10:11] hunting down adaptors is going to be so much fun! [01:10:16] watchlist widget! [01:10:17] vandal fighting on the go [01:10:32] one touch reverts :D [01:10:53] 'edit warring with people near me' [01:11:21] I still want wp integrating into fb [01:11:24] for brions "like this revert" [01:11:27] wah, the room has a huge bown of m&m's! [01:11:44] Which room? [01:11:50] You'll find the WMF offices has sweets all over [01:12:27] wheee [01:12:31] Reedy: the hotel room i'm in [01:12:40] where've they put you? [01:12:49] it also has two fake dotted leopard coats [01:12:52] Reedy: triton [01:13:08] quite near the offices, i'm told [01:13:13] I've never had a bowl of m&m [01:13:13] Yeah [01:13:26] if you can find market, you're practically there [01:14:07] my usual method of navigation doesn't work here [01:14:16] since the stores don't actually have an address on them [01:14:34] but there are enough signs for me to go around [01:14:43] got lost only once from the station to the hotel today :) [01:15:09] go down the hill away from the hotel [01:15:21] Reedy: racheal sent me directions, I have a print out [01:15:28] if you go straight down the road, you'll hit market, a few blocks away [01:15:37] my mistake was messing up which direction 'southwest' meant. [01:15:54] it still sortof feels like a videogame-dream. [01:56:42] yuvipanda: check your pm if your still awake [04:08:58] [WikipediaMobile] brion pushed 1 new commit to master: http://git.io/0resLg [04:08:58] [WikipediaMobile/master] iOS: position popup menus (activity sheets) from the toolbar point as callouts on iPad - Brion Vibber [04:09:43] Project WikipediaMobile - Nightly builds build #81: SUCCESS in 7.5 sec: http://integration.mediawiki.org/ci/job/WikipediaMobile%20-%20Nightly%20builds/81/ [04:09:44] brion: iOS: position popup menus (activity sheets) from the toolbar point as callouts on iPad [05:21:59] [WikipediaMobile] brion pushed 1 new commit to master: http://git.io/N1zclQ [05:21:59] [WikipediaMobile/master] *ahem* remove stray debug line - Brion Vibber [05:22:12] Project WikipediaMobile - Nightly builds build #82: SUCCESS in 6.9 sec: http://integration.mediawiki.org/ci/job/WikipediaMobile%20-%20Nightly%20builds/82/ [05:22:13] brion: *ahem* remove stray debug line [14:41:03] good morning tomaszf ! what are the chances of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:SOPA_initiative/Blackout_screen_designs#Mobile_version ? [14:43:02] tashir, everything said on that page is still true: there will be no mobile blackout [14:43:25] we simply have no mobile analog to CentralNotiice [14:43:44] you can't redirect en.m? [14:44:39] that would be overkill, especially for devices that can't display properly that cute non-mobile blackout screen [14:45:02] overkill? [14:45:35] what if it gets out that people can just go to en.m to bypass the blackout? [14:45:39] not everyone will be happy to download the 200kb pic over WAP [14:45:51] hmm, I don't remember a pic.... [14:46:08] are you talking about http://www.esqew.com/wikipedia.html ? [14:48:49] that's not WMF design. I'm not 100% knowledgeable about the situation, just telling you what I know. you can discuss this with Tomasz once he gets up [16:28:30] tomaszf: if you're in, please have a look at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:SOPA_initiative/Blackout_screen_designs#Mobile_version , http://www.esqew.com/wikipedia.html , and https://plus.google.com/115984868678744352358/posts/Gas8vjZ5fmB [17:11:26] tashir, we're not going to be blacking out the mobile site. [17:12:41] I hope you'll consider an interstitial, since it may be easier to encourage people to call when they are holding a phone [17:13:19] there's not going to be anything done on there. that decision was made a week ago; the technical requirements for even an interstitial were beyond what we could manage in the time we had available. [17:26:28] hey brion [17:26:30] at the office? [17:26:39] i'll be heading in soon [17:27:07] brion: ah, okay. See you there in a while then. [17:28:09] indeed :D [17:28:13] how was the flight? [17:33:18] brion: better than expected [17:34:55] excellent :) [17:34:59] ok heading in, see ya ina while [18:21:07] preilly: do you want to do this CR https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=33487 or should we grab someone else ? [18:24:07] tfinc: I can [18:25:32] MaxSem: --^ [18:25:38] whee [18:28:32] jorm: http://lifehacker.com/5876833/how-to-take-wikipedia-offline-so-you-can-keep-using-it-during-tomorrows-anti+sopa-blackout [18:31:08] preilly: how hard would it be to add a sopa (donation style) banner in MF ? [18:31:15] the simple one right above the content [18:32:10] tfinc: please have a look at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:SOPA_initiative/Blackout_screen_designs#Mobile_version , http://www.esqew.com/wikipedia.html , and https://plus.google.com/115984868678744352358/posts/Gas8vjZ5fmB but jorm says it's too hard [18:33:06] tfinc: not too difficult [18:39:27] preilly: given the early consensus on wp:vp .. i think that would be feasible to implement for tonight [18:39:41] thats far easier then rushing any other tools [18:41:04] 1) block all robots 2) redirect to a simple mobile landing page? [18:41:35] preilly: erik is going to forward the page text [18:41:45] lets plan on moving forward with this [18:42:37] \o/ [18:45:14] :D [18:45:59] tashir: i really like the call your congressman option but its really last minute to implement, test, etc .. so getting the simpler one in place is best for right now [18:47:15] I think the switchboard (202) 224-3121 can handle huge volumes. If I recall, it fails over to automated zip+4 touch tones when all the humans are busy [18:48:02] nice [18:49:35] * MaxSem is pretty sure that this phone is slashdottable [18:49:39] hehe [18:51:24] * tfinc spots a yuvipanda in the office  [18:51:32] tfinc: where you at? [18:51:50] ah spotted you [18:51:56] * tfinc shakes fist [18:52:15] i'm in the morning management meeting in R31. will be out @ 11 [18:52:34] tfinc: sure. [19:10:33] a bit tl;dr discussion of GeoData: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Geographical_coordinates#GeoData_extension [19:18:02] MaxSem: nice! [19:19:11] got my india visa, whee [19:23:08] preilly: erik is working on the page text [19:23:34] tfinc: okay [19:23:52] binasher: how quickly do you think those 4 varnish boxes are going to go down ? [19:23:53] ;) [19:27:37] they actually might not.. but no idea how many desktop users will switch to the mobile site [19:30:10] yuvipanda: let me know when you want to take break so that i can introduce you to more people in the office [19:30:44] tfinc: sure, will do! [19:33:43] yuvipanda: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=33772 [19:34:00] 1 report of that so far [19:39:09] tfinc: more details of that? [19:39:17] tfinc: any repro steps? [19:39:23] Sean "esqew" Quinn mockup of the call your congressman works pretty nicely [19:39:36] yuvipanda: sadly thats all that i have in the crash report interface [19:40:47] preilly: how well does it work on your device? specifically .. does the tel: tag work correctly [19:40:55] http://tinyurl.com/7g5wg8x [19:41:35] tfinc: it works [19:41:48] nice [19:42:37] if we had more time to implement it .. how would you go about it? [19:42:49] it would have to be geolocated to the usa [19:42:58] hey awjr : you back in the office? [19:43:19] tfinc: works on mine too. [19:43:25] awjr: heya [19:43:49] come downstairs and say hello to yuvipanda if you are [19:44:00] tfinc: as a total black out? [19:44:56] yeah, granted it could also be this page for the USA and another page for the rest of the world [19:44:59] but essentially yes [19:45:43] tfinc: well, we would geo locate and just overwrite the page text with this for the us [19:46:29] we could do this before the dom parsing [19:47:49] there might be problems with mobile rendering for the link on the top putton, tfinc -- can you make a different plain text landing page from the blackout text? [19:48:03] how high risk would the change be? this is mostly for my curiosity .. no one at wmf has asked us to do it yet. but there is certainly community discussion about it which is why I'm curious. [19:48:03] top *button [19:48:21] tashir: what to you mean ? [19:48:42] Seddon mentioned it first. For me, the page is too wide [19:48:50] ( http://americancensorship.org/ ) [19:49:05] tashir: thats not our site [19:49:09] also it has a vimeo vid. [19:49:13] so we have no control over it [19:49:25] it's the link from the top button of http://www.esqew.com/wikipedia.html [19:49:27] i'd like to be consistent with what we send people to [19:49:36] gotcha [19:49:41] let me see what our banner has [19:49:45] better to make that something local will just the five paragraphs on the main site [19:50:26] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:SOPA_initiative/Proposed_Messages is full of text ideas of various length [19:50:44] tashir: the text that erik is crafting could work there and he could pull in the sopa discussions [19:50:51] excellent [19:57:16] are we still set to disable writes through the api but allow reads ? [19:57:29] thats what i heard last week and amazon is asking [20:02:00] * tfinc starts thinking about noms [20:03:02] ok .. mediawiki api announce confirms [20:03:43] tfinc, yuvipanda: i am1 [20:03:47] back in the office, that is :) [20:03:56] awjr: hello mentor :) [20:03:57] preilly: so how risky is the change given our very short time frame ? [20:04:01] awjr: come get lunch with us [20:04:24] tfinc: im helping out right now with the congress lookup extension for the blackout so im gonna stay here [20:04:33] tfinc: to implement that page? [20:04:36] yes [20:05:17] yuviapanda: you are in san francisco right now, i take it?! [20:58:19] awjr: yes, he is [20:58:51] groovy [21:36:24] preilly: yuvipanda is going to be doing the refactor/rebase for the next day or so. plan on him to sit down with you for a dive into MF later this week [21:36:38] tfinc: okay, makes sense [21:39:04] preilly: can you schedule with yuvipanda and awjr to do a training? so far thur looks best for awjr [21:39:08] put me on as optional [21:39:58] preilly: how big can we make that mobile banner ? [21:40:38] tfinc: we can make it a bit taller [21:40:54] tfinc: I'd say no more than 100 px [21:41:28] can you use something like the "shadowed" W that is used on the banners on enwiki? [21:41:52] jorm: I guess [21:42:00] i've got a basic map loading on ios in a web view, using openstreetmap and the 'leaflet' library. yay! now to do the query and add points [21:44:54] brion: whose tiles are you using? CloudMade? [21:45:48] yuvipanda: using the base openstreetmap tileserver for now [21:46:04] didn't feel like doing cloudmade's 'api key' dance ;) but we could use those, they're prettier [21:46:04] ah, okay. Not sure if we can use that in production. [21:46:22] in theory we have (Had? will have? tested?) our own OSM tileserver somewhere [21:46:25] brion_: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tile_usage_policy [21:46:28] might be in toolserver-land though, not stable [21:46:29] *nod* [21:49:09] OSM we should get our own tileserver [21:49:15] it would be the responsible thing to do :) [21:49:53] yeah [21:51:04] Ryan_Lane: hey do you know if we have an OpenStreetMap tile server in labs or something? ISTR one associated with the toolserver but don't recall how finished it is/was [21:51:12] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/OpenStreetMap looks way out of date [21:51:19] we don't yet [21:51:28] we're waiting on the gluster storage to come in first [21:51:34] ok [21:51:38] we don't have enough storage space otherwise [21:52:53] since we're using geonames for the lookups, it wouldn't kill us to use cloudmade's tile servers if we need to for production until we get our own :) [21:53:03] things are so much more flexible in mobile land ;) [21:53:16] :) [22:33:27] MaxSem: hi, is it possible to get a Hindi version of the RSS feed? [22:35:33] philinje, heh. possible [22:36:36] will require me to install another MW instance and grok at hiwiki's template system [22:37:32] philinje, did you need something specific, or just take a look at it? [22:40:49] looks like an Indian operator will be looking at it soon - if you can deliver it [22:44:14] philinje, we should just deploy FeaturedFeeds to the cluster [22:49:46] philinje, so you want to showcase it? is it ok that all the links will be red, for example? [22:50:48] we are in a meeting but red links might be ok [22:51:16] what is needed to deploy to the cluster? [22:51:57] nevermind, I misunderstand what you wanted [22:52:06] I thought that they want to reuse it soon [22:59:13] still demo phase for now [23:15:03] [WikipediaMobile] brion pushed 1 new commit to master: http://git.io/I39ImA [23:15:03] [WikipediaMobile/master] Fix regression in search on small screens (was hiding header by mistake) - Brion Vibber [23:16:39] Project WikipediaMobile - Nightly builds build #83: SUCCESS in 16 sec: http://integration.mediawiki.org/ci/job/WikipediaMobile%20-%20Nightly%20builds/83/ [23:16:39] brion: Fix regression in search on small screens (was hiding header by mistake) [23:20:57] philinje, is there anything to showcase? looks like they've got no rotation of Fas and are displaying the same Fa for a month: https://hi.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=%E0%A4%B8%E0%A4%BE%E0%A4%81%E0%A4%9A%E0%A4%BE:%E0%A4%AE%E0%A5%81%E0%A4%96%E0%A4%AA%E0%A5%83%E0%A4%B7%E0%A5%8D%E0%A4%A0_%E0%A4%A8%E0%A4%BF%E0%A4%B0%E0%A5%8D%E0%A4%B5%E0%A4%BE%E0%A4%9A%E0%A4%BF%E0%A4%A4_%E0%A4%B2%E0%A5%87%E0%A4%96&d [23:21:10] [WikipediaMobile] brion pushed 2 new commits to master: http://git.io/OVf6SA [23:21:10] [WikipediaMobile/master] Add Leaflet map library - Brion Vibber [23:21:10] [WikipediaMobile/master] Use Leaflet library & OpenStreetMap tiles as default "Nearby" view (except on Android where we still use the native view) - Brion Vibber [23:26:33] Project WikipediaMobile - Nightly builds build #84: SUCCESS in 6.6 sec: http://integration.mediawiki.org/ci/job/WikipediaMobile%20-%20Nightly%20builds/84/ [23:26:34] * brion: Add Leaflet map library [23:26:34] * brion: Use Leaflet library & OpenStreetMap tiles as default "Nearby" view (except on Android where we still use the native view) [23:53:26] [WikipediaMobile] brion pushed 1 new commit to master: http://git.io/QYAl_w [23:53:26] [WikipediaMobile/master] tidy up ios/web icons a bit more - Brion Vibber [23:53:39] Project WikipediaMobile - Nightly builds build #85: SUCCESS in 6.9 sec: http://integration.mediawiki.org/ci/job/WikipediaMobile%20-%20Nightly%20builds/85/ [23:53:40] brion: tidy up ios/web icons a bit more [23:58:12] yuvipanda: https://office.wikimedia.org/wiki/Technical/Mobile/Testing_Devices [23:58:48] tfinc: cool! [23:59:42] one of the nexus s phones just freed up if you want a 2.3/4.0 device