[00:04:05] i'll have a look in a few mins preilly [00:04:08] just playing BF3 coop [00:09:31] fuuuucl [00:09:33] RARGH [00:11:05] looks alright [00:15:58] Reedy: thanks [00:16:05] Reedy: I guess MaxSem needs it [00:50:07] heh http://stopsoap.com/ [00:50:28] I remember being super excited about it about 5-6 years back [00:50:34] when my only source of info was MSDN [00:50:50] What does MSDN stand for? [00:51:03] microsoft developer network [00:51:14] rather, pirated offline MSDN CDs [00:51:15] pack of 5 [00:51:24] Mom says do nothing [00:55:29] preilly: mesa say do natin! [00:58:38] yuvipanda: nice [00:59:05] * preilly wonders if it's jar jar binks day... [00:59:08] :D [01:03:17] sweet! [01:03:25] a 2 line diff gives me a wiktionary app! [01:10:40] You can do an image diff in 2 lines? :p [01:11:42] Reedy: okay, the 2 line diff gave me a wikipedia android app that actually accesses most of wiktionary. [01:11:47] :D [01:12:07] 'GOOGLE'S NAME IS BLACKED OUT AND WIKIPEDIA IS NOT ACCESISALBE! OBAMA PLZ FIX THIS =O' [01:12:25] https://twitter.com/#!/herpderpedia though I'm sure everyone's on it already [01:16:03] grrrr iscroll is not treating me well so far [01:17:16] brion_: version issues? [01:17:21] dunno [01:18:31] i think i need another layer of divs [01:22:43] ok that's working better [01:23:28] gaararrraarrrararrrarararararararrararrrrrrrrrr not working on ios 4.3 for some reason [01:28:36] ok i'm gonna try this again later :) [01:30:55] philinje: what exactly is 'wikipedia menu' in the android app part of the roadmap? [01:31:15] nice timing [01:38:39] yuvipanda: brion 3,161 total installs (users) [01:38:44] \o/ [01:38:48] tfinc: the lifehacker spike, I see [01:38:53] yup [01:38:56] that shot us right up [01:39:17] tfinc: we're still at 13 [01:39:44] were getting some reports of saving not working on glacier [01:40:00] tfinc: seems to be a bug in saved pages [01:40:04] yeah [01:40:50] tfinc: looks like 'search' and whatever bug is there with saved pages are our biggest issues [01:41:07] quick search and a wikipedia url handler [01:42:30] tfinc: is there any other info at all about the crashes? [01:42:32] versions/devices? [01:42:37] nope [01:42:43] what you have is all that were getting reported right now [01:43:52] tfinc: spent a while trying to repro it, got nothing [01:44:06] yuvipanda: and the gps fix [01:44:31] tfinc: what exactly is up next for me? On to MF related stuff or should i go on and fix these bugs? [01:45:30] brion: does the leaflet based map work with pinch and zoom on iOS? [01:45:31] tackle these bugs first. we can talk about mf bugs after you get your intro from patrick tomorrow [01:45:37] doesn't on android, but doesn't work otherwise tho [01:45:45] *does work [01:45:50] yuvipanda: yes -- pinch to zoom on ios, dbl-tap to zoom on android [01:46:05] brion_: ah, yes. [01:46:12] mostly because of limitations of the touch events on older vers of android i think [01:46:29] the latest might do multitouch, i'm not 100% sure [01:46:30] brion_: any reason why we haven't dumped the native android versiony et? [01:46:37] ain't got to it yet :D [01:46:41] okay :) [01:46:49] there's a couple other glitches - [01:46:54] i just built it with the native stuff commented out, works good so far :) [01:47:00] 1) needs to actually use the selected language to search in (is currently hardcoded to english) [01:47:24] yuvipanda: is the refactor all checked in and reviewed ? [01:47:25] and uh that's the main thing [01:47:28] tfinc: yup! [01:48:15] brion_: that's a one liner, I could fix that + 'objectify' and commit [01:48:24] tfinc: http://cloudmade.com/select/mobile is cloudmade api for mobile [01:48:26] pricing [01:48:34] +1 [01:49:16] '$0.30 per user lifetime'? [01:49:19] wtf is a user lifetime :) [01:49:29] hell if i know [01:49:31] their primary targets are cats [01:49:46] or buddhists. [01:50:22] "Q So I only pay once for each user? [01:50:23] A Correct! You pay $0.30 for each user’s lifetime – so for only $0.30 your user can use your application for as long as they want." [01:50:30] http://cloudmade.com/select/web [01:50:35] that….. doesn't make sense in our context [01:50:46] so what exactlyare we getting form cloudmae ? [01:51:21] possibly nothing :) [01:51:28] possible openstreetmap tile rendering [01:51:48] the map library is open source, but created by them: http://leaflet.cloudmade.com/ [01:51:58] for now we have it pointing at the generic openstreetmap tile servers [01:52:04] which is probably fine at low volume [01:52:22] but we really should point at our own or ones that we're supporting directly [01:52:50] lesse… https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tile_usage_policy [01:53:23] "Heavy use (e.g. distributing an app that uses tiles from openstreetmap.org) is forbidden without prior permission from the System Administrators. See below for alternatives. " [01:55:15] Ryan_Lane: http://weait.com/content/build-your-own-openstreetmap-server [01:57:58] brion_: we could just as well just mirror the tiles cloudmade produces, i think [01:58:16] copyright blah blah ? [01:59:18] oh forget it. I misinterpreted what they meant by 'mass downloading' [01:59:39] so, the openstreetmap people wanted to install and manage it themselves [01:59:43] they were going to do so in labs [01:59:49] we're going to puppetize it together [01:59:53] excellent [01:59:54] then deploy it to the cluster [01:59:59] Ryan_Lane: do you know a contact person? [02:00:05] I'm not sure if you guys were looking at setting it up yourselves [02:00:08] yeah [02:00:09] we should check with them about using their tile servers until then [02:00:14] ah [02:00:20] I think they didn't want us to [02:00:23] heh [02:05:01] http://channel9.msdn.com/achievements/visualstudio [02:05:10] Achievements for Visual Studio anyone? [02:05:58] Reedy: I just unlocked http://channel9.msdn.com/achievements/visualstudio/Lonely [02:06:08] and [02:06:08] http://channel9.msdn.com/achievements/visualstudio/CurseWords5Achievement [02:06:46] Some are slightly concerning.. "Write 20 single letter class level variables in one file." [02:06:54] is JobSecurity... [02:07:15] ha ha [02:07:24] http://channel9.msdn.com/achievements/visualstudio/CountClassInheritanceLevelAchievement [02:20:06] tfinc: it only occurs if you are online, view saved pages, and then go offline [02:20:13] starting the app offline seems to let saved pages work [02:31:43] deploys to my phone take more than a damn minute [02:32:00] the old 'my code is compiling' excuse. [02:33:09] preilly: jay is going to message you when the page text is ready. do you need me to stick around for anything ? [02:33:59] tfinc: also exists in current master, after the refactor [02:34:22] same location halting [02:35:19] tfinc: nope [02:38:39] preilly: k, i'm going to head out to climb then. call me if any issues come up. [02:40:00] yuvipanda: i have to head home to pick up gear. you can either come along or we can meet up at 16th again [02:40:09] can/try to :D [02:40:27] oh .. let me see if gabriel is going direct [02:40:55] damn, i forgot about that and told dana i'd be staying. [02:41:00] shouldn't be a problem, i guess. [02:41:23] tfinc: whatdo you mean by come along? [02:42:56] head out with me .. pick up my gear .. and then head over to mission cliffs [05:39:00] awjr: http://www.webpronews.com/ibm-bit-twelve-atoms-2012-01 [08:33:06] yuvipanda: go to bed ;) [08:33:14] yuvipanda: https://market.android.com/search?q=Wikipedia :D [08:33:15] tomaszf: just got here. [08:33:20] we walked all the way [08:33:21] #6 [08:33:30] on the first page! [08:33:32] *fistbump* [08:33:37] https://market.android.com/search?q=Wikipedia [08:33:49] and were remember .. were just getting starrted [08:33:58] we'll hit 1 pretty soon [08:34:06] think about what we can do if we just fix the tiny bug fixes we know about [08:34:53] tomaszf: mmm, maybe fix them and keep pushing out changes once a week or so? [08:35:20] tomaszf: not right now ofcourse [08:35:23] once we get the iOS app out [08:35:42] i'd love once a week IF we get our QA process improved [08:35:50] right now it won't scale well to that [08:35:55] especially as we make changes [08:36:03] we have to better use perfecter and automated tools [08:36:14] once thats humming along then id love to push often [08:36:21] true [08:36:26] i'm all about releasing early and often [08:36:32] once we're done with iOS I should see how people automate tests for these [08:37:16] you know .. spend an hour or two to see that sooner rather then later .. i'd love to bake it right into the iOS build [08:39:12] tomaszf: mm, will do [08:39:31] tomaszf: do I get on with the bug fixes tomorrow or do you have something else in mind for me? [08:40:03] mmmm [08:40:03] http://code.google.com/p/robotium/ [08:42:00] yuvipanda: start off with the bug fixes as i'd love to clear those out and get some new v1.1 alphas going [08:42:07] cool [08:42:15] are you working with brion on the iOS app or is he going solo right now? [08:42:27] you guys were going to sort that out [08:42:56] in the afternoon you have patrick teaching you all about mobile front end and then some check in meetings with me [08:43:52] yuvipanda: check out our geo usage http://www.geonames.org/img/charts/ws-creditsld8163-NhBKEPcu6P86DGxC7SYivA.png [08:44:05] http://www.geonames.org/img/charts/ws-creditsH8163-NhBKEPcu6P86DGxC7SYivA.png [08:44:07] tomaszf: he's going solo right now [08:44:17] tomaszf: i'm helping out with bits and peices [08:44:19] *pieces [08:44:21] of the js bits [08:44:26] but iOS - he's doin it [08:44:29] woooh! [08:45:01] so what i'd like to see is the milestones for the iOS app. that way i can drum up the testers [08:45:19] you can then focus on the android fixes which will benefit iOS too [08:45:24] tomaszf: okay. [08:45:28] and will make a comprehensive v1.1 [08:45:32] how does that sound? [08:45:44] i think saved pages and proper scrolling are the only things left in the iOS app [08:45:47] tomaszf: sounds good! [08:46:15] we have to fix saving pages on the android app [08:46:15] t [08:46:15] hat [08:46:19] s a huge issue [08:46:57] tomaszf: yes, but again - on my device it only happens on transition [08:47:01] need to test it out on a few [08:47:07] and figure out when exactly it is happening [08:47:13] take any device you need from our inventory [08:47:17] will do that tomorrow [08:47:26] tomaszf: it's there in current master too, btw [08:47:38] http://office.wikimedia.org/wiki/Technical/Mobile/Testing_Devices [08:47:42] and use perfecto [08:47:50] i really need to find out if we should keep perfecto [08:48:34] i'll give it a shot tomorrow [08:48:41] has brion or patrick been using it? [08:48:55] barely i need someone to sit down with it and hammer on the qa features [08:49:00] we need something like it [08:49:15] tomaszf: also, do you have a plan of what our goals are for the hackathon? [08:49:27] i'm setting up a meeting about that for friday [08:49:33] phil has been putting that together [08:49:45] my quick plan was iOS, tablets, and maps [08:49:57] ah, right [08:50:01] but brion is demolishing how much we'll have for iOS [08:50:04] which is a good problem to have [08:50:06] :D [08:50:15] at his pace i'm pretty sure iOS will be all done by then [08:50:23] we have a couple of slots to hire for so we need to be on the lookup for front end devs [08:50:31] yuvipanda: he's a ninja [08:50:52] it'd be awesome if you can get someone from ops (who isn't completely drained out from SOPA stuff) + someone from the OSM folks [08:50:56] and talk about setting up a tile server [08:51:05] since it looks like cloudmade are insane [08:51:12] or maybe you could just talk to the cloudmade guys [08:51:19] tomaszf: did you check out the new map? [08:51:19] i'd rather just work with osm [08:51:22] [08:51:30] i saw what brion had mocked up [08:51:39] oh, it's all done [08:51:41] which while laggy had potential [08:51:49] just one bug that needed to be fixed. [08:51:54] did he fix his map overlay issue ? [08:51:58] laggy? seemed pretty fast to me [08:52:02] tomaszf: the overlays looking horrible? [08:52:12] well, it doesn't matter on my phone so I guess I found it fine :P [08:52:26] certain tiles were not redrawing [08:52:32] when you would pinch and zoom [08:52:38] making it look awful [08:52:43] hmm [08:52:56] small bug overall [08:52:58] that's just OSM being awful, I think. [08:53:03] i'm sure he cleaned up ip by the end of the day [08:53:06] haha [08:53:07] we use them at www.busroutes.in and that happens sometimes [08:53:10] we'll see [08:54:07] tomaszf: check http://code.google.com/p/robotium/ [08:54:12] seems to be like selenium for mobile apps [08:54:29] does that run onto of monkey ? [08:55:12] sortof [08:55:15] from the looks of it [08:55:55] had potential .. give it a spin [08:56:20] has* [08:59:25] ok [08:59:29] tomaszf: am off to sleep [08:59:37] tomaszf: thanks for takin me around, was a lotttaaa fun :D [08:59:57] yuvipanda: i had to give back for you showing me around in mumbai [09:00:01] :D [09:00:18] tomaszf: gnite [14:37:11] Project MediaWiki-REL1_18-phpunit build #193: FAILURE in 58 sec: http://integration.mediawiki.org/ci/job/MediaWiki-REL1_18-phpunit/193/ [15:28:45] Project MediaWiki-REL1_18-phpunit build #194: STILL FAILING in 2 min 5 sec: http://integration.mediawiki.org/ci/job/MediaWiki-REL1_18-phpunit/194/ [15:38:21] Yippie, build fixed! [15:38:22] Project MediaWiki-REL1_18-phpunit build #195: FIXED in 4 min 31 sec: http://integration.mediawiki.org/ci/job/MediaWiki-REL1_18-phpunit/195/ [17:07:10] morning, yuvipanda [17:07:19] MaxSem: morning [17:07:32] will be leaving for the office in a bit, cya in an hour :) [17:38:12] the new app is great! [17:44:55] IWorld, thank you. [17:48:46] Can Wikimedia provide the app on the Wikimedia sites? [17:50:26] IWorld, Android Market is better as it's centralised and people are used to it. We can just link to it from our sites [17:50:43] we simply don't advertise our app widely yet [17:59:13] I can't install the app because I haven't the Market app. [17:59:52] [17:59:52] I must use the nightly builds. [18:00:38] can you install by visiting the market website? [18:03:57] I haven't a Google accoun. [18:04:00] *account [18:06:08] get yourself one? [18:06:40] (sorry, I'm a server-side developer who had never used Android:P) [18:07:15] oh [18:08:35] The nightly build is OK for me. :-) [18:37:01] where's tfinc? [18:44:31] MaxSem: he just arrived - another late night because of the blackout [18:47:33] greetings all [18:47:41] who wants to guess todays android install numbers ? [18:47:41] hi tfinc [18:47:46] any hangover, yuvipanda? :P [18:47:57] MaxSem: long story. [18:48:02] actually not really [18:48:11] i turn 21 a week after I leave here, so no bars. [18:48:16] we were at 1k last week [18:48:33] oh [18:48:43] the public site says we're in 10k-50k range :) [18:49:33] tfinc, earlier on this channel: Can Wikimedia provide the app on the Wikimedia sites? IWorld> I can't install the app because I haven't the Market app. [18:49:52] I must use the nightly builds. [18:51:16] philinje: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=32667 [18:57:06] tfinc, philinje, anything else we want before pushing FeaturedFeeds to the cluster? prominent links to feeeds in UI? [18:57:17] MaxSem: it's going on the amazon and f-droid marketplaces soon [18:57:20] if not already. [18:57:23] tfinc: ^ [18:57:33] MaxSem: but yeah, i think we should make a page and put it in ourselves too. [19:12:10] hm [19:12:37] its easy to put in on any of our sites [19:12:38] so [19:13:06] MaxSem: didn't we talk earlier about a link to subscribe to current feed and then links to other feeds? like in lower right? [19:13:18] i cleaned up this page last night http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mobile_Projects/Platforms_Support_Status [19:13:26] we can easily add a link for the signed build [19:13:45] what's a "current feed"? [19:14:38] tfinc: think I found it [19:14:47] tfinc: *think* it's a one liner fix. [19:14:47] testing [19:18:59] tfinc, what's a "current feed"? we can have several feeds per wiki [19:21:38] yuvipanda: nice [19:21:51] MaxSem: one sec .. i want to stage the 1.0 apk for people to download [19:23:08] [WikipediaMobile] yuvipanda created gps-fix (+1 new commit): http://git.io/s164Kw [19:23:08] [WikipediaMobile/gps-fix] Stop using GPS when user exits NearMe activity - YuviPanda [19:23:10] tfinc: works [19:23:22] tfinc: do we make a 1.0.1 release now? [19:23:29] Project WikipediaMobile - Nightly builds build #94: SUCCESS in 12 sec: http://integration.mediawiki.org/ci/job/WikipediaMobile%20-%20Nightly%20builds/94/ [19:23:54] mmm, nightly builds is just picking up *any* branch, should pick up only master [19:27:16] yuvipanda: we'll have to do a testing cycle first [19:27:24] what about saved pages ? [19:27:25] jsoby, i stuck a comment on your pull req - https://github.com/jsoby/WikipediaMobile/commit/490365a669752de6648f33373c56195b3ceba8a4#commitcomment-883305 [19:27:33] tfinc: yeah, on that right now [19:27:39] probably best to use literal newlines; you can put a backslash at end of the line to have it do that [19:28:15] brion: literal newlines are not respected by html, no? [19:28:33] brion: I asked around for proper way to do html in messages but got nothing [19:28:35] well is this for html or...? [19:28:50] brion: oh, was thinking of a different about [19:28:56] sorry [19:28:59] it's the market description yeah [19:29:02] not the about screen [19:29:07] no worries, we got lots of things :D [19:29:23] yeah, i think the first line of the diff set the wrong context [19:30:04] brb [19:30:12] tfinc: the latest 'nightly' should be 1.0 with that fix [19:30:20] nice [19:30:36] what have you found about saved pages ? [19:30:43] it's a bug in the nightly build code, but we could use that as a feature :) [19:30:53] tfinc: am trying to figure out if the bug is in lawnchair itself or the webkit adaptor [19:38:38] brion, thanks! i made that change now. the github markup colouring doesn't seem to like it, but that hopefully doesn't matter? https://github.com/jsoby/WikipediaMobile/blob/master/assets/www/messages/messages-en.properties [19:41:20] pretty sure it's right, lemme test real quick :D [19:42:26] looks good, lemme merge [19:42:48] ok .. v.10 is now here http://dumps.wikimedia.org/android/ [19:42:51] [WikipediaMobile] brion pushed 5 new commits to master: http://git.io/b0GbuQ [19:42:51] [WikipediaMobile/master] Adding app description message for localization - jsoby [19:42:51] [WikipediaMobile/master] try wrapping " - jsoby [19:42:51] [WikipediaMobile/master] Using HTML for line break - jsoby [19:43:01] can you guys see any reason to keep the old RC apks ? [19:43:05] Project WikipediaMobile - Nightly builds build #95: SUCCESS in 7 sec: http://integration.mediawiki.org/ci/job/WikipediaMobile%20-%20Nightly%20builds/95/ [19:43:05] * jsoby: Adding app description message for localization [19:43:08] * jsoby: try wrapping " [19:43:08] * jsoby: Using HTML for line break [19:43:08] * jsoby: backslashes, per brion [19:43:08] i'm thinking of just deleting them [19:43:12] tfinc, nostalgia? :) [19:44:55] should note that 'we say RCs, and by RCs we actually mean betas' [19:44:55] MaxSem: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mobile_Projects/Platforms_Support_Status#Applications now has both a market link AND a direct download [19:45:23] brion: yuvipanda philinje .. i also re did that page .. split out official vs community .. added all the awesome weekend of code apps [19:45:42] whee [19:45:50] cool :) [19:46:34] dear god we still have webos in the column [19:46:34] i'm going to kill it [19:46:37] well .. actually . hows the webs open source project ding? [19:46:41] web* [19:46:52] brion, thanks! :)) [19:47:07] jsoby: see .. git isn't that scary with github [19:47:14] told you .. that you could do it [19:47:15] tfinc, you're right [19:47:22] congrats [19:47:23] :D [19:47:30] way easier than SVN, i may add ;D [19:47:41] and now you can teach someone else in case they have fixes [19:47:48] yay :D [19:47:49] so .. when are we going to get updated translations ? [19:48:37] when the update is added to translatewiki (usually within 24 hours), and then get translated, and then pushed back into the app [19:48:55] so, around three days maybe. hopefully less [19:49:42] if you can .. send me a message when it comes back [19:49:59] yup, will do [19:50:00] that translations will not load automatically [19:50:03] i'll have to manually add them [19:50:08] yup [19:50:24] if you manually add one, that overrides the Google Translate thing, right? [19:51:03] yup. the google translated ones are a one time thing [19:51:07] man, for whatever reason iscroll doesn't want to work with ios 4.x... i can get it to work in chrome though :P [19:51:07] just to get you started [19:51:09] when i downloaded the app the description was in googletranslated norwegian. it was actually pretty decent, but had one oddity: the word "save" was not translated [19:51:10] when i downloaded the app the description was in googletranslated norwegian. it was actually pretty decent, but had one oddity: the word "save" was not translated [19:51:13] lame [19:51:39] tfinc, my life will be simplified if we require ios 5. penetration shoulod be pretty high now, it's been a few months since release [19:51:55] and... good, it's been jailbroken [19:51:57] yuvipanda: i invited you to the mobile tutorial rehearsal in the afternoon. i'll be doing the same talk that i did in mumbai about how to get started with the android ap [19:52:05] so there shouldn't be stragglers because of that [19:52:06] you can let me know what i'm getting wrong :) [19:52:28] and handle the really low level architecture questions :D [19:52:28] can't believe they dind't support position:fixed and overflow scrolling until this version :P [19:52:42] i can't believe they won't give us access to the file system [19:52:48] from safari [19:52:55] wtf apple .. wtf [19:53:06] srsly, lack of file uploads in safari is killing me [19:53:27] it was an obvious enhancement i foresaw from the ORIGINAL iphone and they still haven't added it... meanwhile android got it ages ago [19:53:43] tfinc: cool [19:53:45] upload wizard works great on android devices [19:53:45] even if it's limited to gallery and a few other providers usually, 99% of the time that's what you want [19:53:55] but because of that fails horrible on iOS [20:00:09] yuvipanda: here are my rough notes for the tutorial http://etherpad.wikimedia.org/MobileTutorial [20:00:18] feel free to edit and let me know what works and what doesn't [20:01:07] sure [20:47:14] tfinc: so, these backtraces you get [20:47:27] could you post a screenshot of one somewhere? [20:47:39] Do you get emails for them? [20:48:17]