[00:03:36] [WikipediaMobile] preillyme pushed 1 new commit to master: http://git.io/Y9kwzQ [00:03:36] [WikipediaMobile/master] Merge pull request #117 from hartman/master - Patrick Reilly [00:03:36] grr, why can i get stuff from Twitter, but not from my own site wth this!!! I setup all the server side XSS allows [00:03:48] [WikipediaMobile] preillyme pushed 1 new commit to master: http://git.io/94oPFw [00:03:48] [WikipediaMobile/master] Merge pull request #116 from 4ndreaSt4gi/gitfix - Patrick Reilly [00:04:33] yuvipanda: what do you think about this: https://github.com/Tpt/Wikipedia/commit/493873ce1f365b793972b63465c4b9a09a2312f8 [00:04:55] preilly: am currently moving that into a phonegap plugin [00:05:12] [WikipediaMobile] preillyme pushed 1 new commit to master: http://git.io/KzmeTA [00:05:12] [WikipediaMobile/master] Merge pull request #113 from 4ndreaSt4gi/minfix - Patrick Reilly [00:05:13] and have a working version - me and tfinc are iterating on how we want it to work (single instance vs per task instance) [00:05:35] yuvipanda: so, we shouldn't take this pull request? [00:05:37] preilly: i'll take care of that and the search provider. [00:05:49] preilly: no, let me close that with a comment [00:05:52] i am going to beat the brains out of my head with this WP7 app [00:06:02] blobaugh: :D [00:06:12] pretty sure the keyboard already has particles of my scalp on it [00:07:00] IE - putting barbers out of business since 1997 [00:07:18] Project WikipediaMobile - Nightly builds build #125: SUCCESS in 10 sec: http://integration.mediawiki.org/ci/job/WikipediaMobile%20-%20Nightly%20builds/125/ [00:07:19] * hartman: Remove ActionSheet.js from the build target, since its not Objective-C and included from assets [00:07:19] * stagi.andrea: Reverse history order, most recent page first [00:07:20] * hartman: Move the ActionSheet plugin into the actual Plugins directory. Just to keep things in order. [00:07:21] * stagi.andrea: gitignore: added lint.xml [00:08:30] alright, my real flight is getting ready to board. bbl [00:08:36] :D [00:08:40] blobaugh: take care [00:08:40] blobaugh: cya [00:13:52] [WikipediaMobile] yuvipanda force-pushed open-intent from c52c85f to 8ecc374: http://git.io/KWNPog [00:13:52] [WikipediaMobile/open-intent] Initial work on WebIntents support - YuviPanda [00:13:52] [WikipediaMobile/open-intent] Supports both singleTask and standard launch modes - YuviPanda [00:14:22] tfinc: I think the behavior of the app as in this branch ^ is fine. [00:14:25] yuvipanda: why did you force push that? [00:14:35] preilly: rebased on top of master [00:14:42] yuvipanda: ah, okay [00:15:29] Project WikipediaMobile - Nightly builds build #126: SUCCESS in 8.2 sec: http://integration.mediawiki.org/ci/job/WikipediaMobile%20-%20Nightly%20builds/126/ [00:15:29] * brion: allow 4.2: prep for iscroll testing [00:15:30] * brion: add iscroll library [00:15:30] * brion: Use iScroll on iOS 3 (untested) or 4 (tested 4.3 sim) [00:15:31] * brion: Fix for scroll position not being reset when navigating pages with overflow scrolling [00:15:31] * brion: ahem.... fix for regression on ios toolbar [00:15:32] * awjrichards: Adding 'did you mean' functionality to search' [00:15:32] * brion: Fix for opening external links in external browser on iOS [00:15:33] * jeroendedauw: change coordinate links to toolserver pages to point to the "nearby articles" map [00:15:33] * jeroendedauw: rem tutorial function [00:15:34] * suyash: Added support for About US list item in Settings Menu and added a css style for dimming the forward and backward menu item, the style is not implemented currenty [00:15:34] * suyash: Phone Gap Weinre removed from the source [00:15:35] * brion: partial fix for about screen view on iOS (needs scrolling fix still) [00:15:35] * awjrichards: Made 'did you mean' search also display search results for the 'did you mean' result [00:15:36] * djhartman: Ignore some common OS X temp file [00:15:36] * jsoby: Changing trailing backslashes to \n instead. Niklas says this will work better in Translatewiki. [00:15:37] * hartman: Fix xcuserdata ignore [00:15:37] * hartman: Remove incorrectly linked localizable file and the readme from the install target. Readme only has build info, so not really needed. [00:26:57] hey philinje [00:26:57] http://etherpad.wikimedia.org/mobile-app-versions [00:27:04] tfinc: ^ [00:28:06] ok, is this for the speech tonight? [00:28:09] philinje: no [00:28:10] it isn't [00:28:23] it's so I could get my 'what do I get to next' list well organized. [00:28:48] fun. philinje can you iterate with yuvipanda on that [00:29:03] i am seeing lots of stuff for 1.2 that are not contributon-related, and Article Feedback is probably not in that timeframe [00:29:23] philinje: yeah, i started writing this about 5minutes ago so :D [00:29:53] currently, i am stuffing as much as possible into 1.1, but putting some things into 1.2, and then keeping v2 for contributions [00:29:54] philinje: what exactly is the deal with articlefeedback? It is going to be the *easiest* thing to integrate in, and i'm sure it'll boost their usage a lot oto [00:30:24] philinje: i think we should treat 1.1 more as a 'same code base for iOS and Android' release, and do 1.2 for more features. [00:30:40] yes, we are talking to that team but they are dealing with some fundamental issues and I suspect it will be another month before it is ready for us to deal with [00:30:42] getting to a point when we release both iOS and Android from the exact same commit is important. [00:31:00] ok [00:31:09] we can move features out of 1.1 [00:31:53] that means 1.2 will have lots of features [00:32:42] anyway, we can always defer things to later releases [00:32:43] philinje: what do you have in mind? [00:32:51] i worry that 2.0 might be waiting too late for image uploads [00:33:05] i like idea of 2.0 being meant for contributions but don't let it limit you [00:33:15] it'll be easy to see when philinje breaks it all out [00:33:18] and we can move things aroudn [00:33:43] +1 [00:34:47] i thought 1.2 would be more of the iOS sync release - there is still a lot to do there, isn't there? [00:35:57] will OSM be ready by March? meaning, will we host the tlle server? [00:36:11] philinje: i think 1.1 should be the sync release, since I don't think we should do features that keep adding to the porting headache for the iOS/Android split [00:36:16] philinje: too early to say [00:36:32] if we keep adding features to the code, that'll keep delaying the iOS port from being complete [00:36:48] which will make us add more features, which will keep delaying it... [00:36:50] vicious circle [00:37:05] the other option is to branch off the iOS code from master, but I don't think that's a good idea ta ll [00:37:06] *at [00:37:15] yes, but some features are not really the same effort on both platforms [00:37:17] lets not [00:37:23] its so close to its first beta [00:37:46] * tfinc is not about to call it an RC [00:37:47] :D [00:38:29] tfinc: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Mapquest#MapQuest-hosted_map_tiles [00:38:54] it's free, it's OSM [00:39:10] and their idea of 'heavy' usage is 4,000 tiles per second [00:39:23] and they just want to be told in advance for engineering reasons [00:39:26] *reasons [00:42:12] philinje: are you working on the feature breakdown somewhere? [00:42:35] philinje: having that will be very useful for me to keep picking 'next-action' items from [00:45:55] tfinc: i'll come over and show you the url handler support? It looks fine to me, and if it does to you, we can merge it in [00:48:09] ok [00:56:23] yuvipanda: leave in 5-10 min ? [00:56:28] tfinc: sure [00:56:45] that way we can keep working there for anything else [00:56:50] we don't go on until 7 [00:56:59] yup sounds good to me [00:57:29] did not know we're going to be live streamed [00:58:03] seriously? .. maybe i should add more embarrassing anecdotes then ? [00:58:09] :D [00:58:12] totally! [00:58:16] perhaps we should slam some more people to get their attention [00:58:21] core android devs here we come! [00:59:43] i'm adding a github link to the lowering barrier entry slide [01:06:24] preilly: philinje thedj : heading out in 5 [01:10:47] :) [01:26:07] well. that sucks. [06:16:45] * yuvipanda waves [08:34:48] Heya. [17:03:50] MaxSem: hi [17:06:12] hi [17:15:33] the Hindi feed you sent me as a demo - is that really fake? [17:20:12] well, the texts have featured at different times on main page (if I haven't screwed something up) [17:21:02] it's a fake in the sense that there isn't enough daily content for a real feed [17:21:44] and that these texts are sometimes old and may not represent anything worthy of current standards [17:23:26] philinje, ^^ [17:48:09] MaxSem: did you adjust the time period to 30 days? [17:48:19] no [17:48:49] so there is no real solution yet? [17:48:50] I think we will deploy with current limits [17:49:10] then, we could gather communities' reaction and figure out what to do next [17:49:10] currently 10 days? [17:49:27] yes [17:50:20] so for Hindi, we have to say the feed was assembled manually [17:50:59] yes [18:12:13] awjr: you around? [18:12:31] preilly: yep [18:12:45] awjr: do you think you could do the FeaturedFeeds deployment on Thursday? [18:13:01] awjr: with MaxSem [18:13:02] what's FeaturedFeeds? [18:13:07] likely [18:13:13] but i don't know anything about it [18:13:27] awjr: it's an extension for RSS feeds that MaxSem has been working on [18:13:36] ok cool [18:13:45] oh i see the email now [18:13:50] awjr, https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:FeaturedFeeds http://mobile-feeds.wmflabs.org/w/index.php/Main_Page [18:13:58] awjr: can you respond to the message from tfinc about it subject: FeaturedFeeds deployment [18:14:14] yep [18:14:24] awjr: sweet [18:17:09] awjr, Thursday is too late for me, so I would prefer tomorrow [18:25:04] MaxSem: ok, when are you available tomorrow? [18:25:38] 1PM PST is ok for me [18:25:44] MaxSem: There is a bug with Fetured Feed [18:25:50] http://mobile-feeds.wmflabs.org/w/api.php?action=featuredfeed&feed=featured&feedformat=atom [18:25:50] though I'll be available since morning [18:26:07] Tpt, ??? [18:26:12] The alternate links links to a atom page [18:26:36] [18:26:54] and? [18:27:53] This links to the atom feed not the html page. [18:28:17] MaxSem, ok cool - I'll add the deployment to the calendar for 1pm PST tomorrow. can you arrange to get code review finished for it? [18:28:32] already reviewed [18:29:33] MaxSem: Ok, sorry. [18:29:58] * MaxSem looks up Atom again [18:31:20] Tpt, you're right [18:31:26] one second [18:38:37] jorm: could you look at r109932 ?? It's pretty trivial, but still want your ok. [18:38:44] !r 109932 [18:38:50] hrm [18:38:57] wrong channel [18:39:14] preilly: is yuvi there? [18:40:03] yuvipanda: hi [18:40:14] philinje: hya [18:40:36] *heya [18:40:47] philinje: yes [18:43:38] yuvipanda: just want to mention that there may be a lot of stuff in 31805 v1.1, but if you want to move the enhancements to 33855 v1.2, go ahead [18:43:47] later we can decide if we need a 1.3 [18:43:56] sure [18:43:59] just looking through them [18:45:01] Tpt, thanks - fixed [18:45:33] Tpt: hey! [18:45:48] the search provider looks awesome! [18:46:07] but can you tell me what the searchable_location bits are for? [18:46:56] it doesn't seem to be doing anything... [18:47:40] Tpt: also, what timezone are you on? :D [18:49:30] yuvipanda: Paris [18:49:42] cool :) [18:49:50] It's 19 [18:50:54] Tpt: so what exactly are those searchable_location bits? [18:50:59] searchable_location was in the code of the app. I've not take the ris to remove it. [18:51:30] yuvipanda: It's for the nerby activity. [18:51:33] hmm, interesting. let me figure out where that came from and see if that is necessary at all. [18:53:21] Tpt: I doesn't see the use now. it's maybe to interact with geolocalisation app. [18:54:16] well, possible. [18:54:25] but not needed anymore since we don't use gmaps anymor [18:54:26] e [18:56:26] Tpt: okay, I'm merging it in now and we can remove the current location bits later [18:56:27] :) [18:56:34] once we're confirmed about moving to OSM [18:56:47] yuvipanda: Ok, thanks. [18:57:07] [WikipediaMobile] yuvipanda pushed 1 new commit to master: http://git.io/D0E6mg [18:57:07] [WikipediaMobile/master] A beggining of search suggestion content provider for integrete Wikipedia app in the global search system. - Thomas PT [18:57:19] The last thing is to take care of the search intent in the app. [18:57:26] Project WikipediaMobile - Nightly builds build #127: SUCCESS in 10 sec: http://integration.mediawiki.org/ci/job/WikipediaMobile%20-%20Nightly%20builds/127/ [18:57:26] * yuvipanda: Initial work on WebIntents support [18:57:27] * yuvipanda: Supports both singleTask and standard launch modes [18:57:27] * yuvipanda: A beggining of search suggestion content provider for integrete Wikipedia app in the global search system. [18:59:29] Tpt: seems to work as it should for me.. [18:59:41] Tpt: i did commit the webintents work :) [19:00:26] Tpt: you should test it out :) [19:00:41] yuvipanda: Ok. [19:01:17] I'll try it on my Nexus S [19:01:38] lots of Nexus S's around [19:04:26] grrrr [19:07:16] preilly: is Brion there? [19:07:25] philinje: nope [19:10:08] PHP Notice: Undefined variable: wmgMFCustomLogos in /home/wikipedia/common/wmf-config/CommonSettings.php on line 2354 [19:10:22] preilly, ^ I fixed that earlier by putting 'default' => before it [19:10:37] I think it should still be working fine [19:15:12] Reedy: thanks! [19:15:43] Reedy: I can't believe I missed that [19:32:26] yuvipanda: There is a problem with android 2.X : try to search on WP with the global search system and don't choose a suggestion. [19:34:50] Tpt: don't choose a suggestion as in? [19:35:17] yuvipanda: Yes : press enter if you are in the emulator. [19:36:03] Tpt: aha, that just opens up the default page [19:36:25] if i type 'Ind' and hit go, I'm guessing default behavior should be to try to go there [19:37:34] yuvipanda: App doesn't respond to the search intent [19:38:18] it doesn't yet [19:39:12] http://developer.android.com/guide/topics/search/search-dialog.html [19:39:42] Tpt: do you want to fix that? [19:40:33] or shoud I? [19:42:22] Could you ? [19:42:25] sure! [19:43:44] yuvipanda: Thanks. [19:45:40] http://actionbarsherlock.com/ It may be useful for action bar implementation. [20:05:43] greetings all [20:06:47] hi [20:07:01] were doing nicely on our android installs .. after leveling off for the last two days .. were picking up steam again [20:07:07] 413k total installs [20:07:28] #11 in top new free apps [20:07:52] #5 in top free books and reference [20:08:06] we beat out google books and merriam webster [20:08:29] #5 in top new free apps in France [20:08:39] nice! [20:09:00] Tpt: thats awesome. how are our outer FR rankings? i've only been looking at the EN store [20:09:23] were #117 on top free apps in the us [20:09:31] i really wish android market made it easier to see these things [20:10:02] .me looked through Russian comments and saw a lot of critics [20:10:08] tfinc: #1 in top free books and reference [20:10:13] nice! [20:10:16] thats fantastic [20:10:42] Tpt: is "Wiki Encyclopedia & News" available in the FR store ? [20:10:47] #23 in top free !!!! [20:10:48] thats the only one in our way for the EN store [20:11:36] tfinc: By Wiki apps ? [20:12:01] Tpt: yes [20:12:03] MaxSem: like? [20:12:07] popular concerns: 1) sluggish 2) lacks exit button [20:12:34] MaxSem: which devices are they seeing this on? [20:12:38] 3) doesn't switch to other languages [20:12:42] android apps normally don't seem to have an exit button… :| [20:12:56] yuvipanda: people are still getting used to that on mobile phones [20:12:56] tfinc: "Wiki Encyclopedia & News" is available with the name "Wiki Encyclopédie" [20:13:06] it'll take a while before they catch on [20:13:09] that you don't need an exit button [20:13:36] i'm waiting for someone to complain about the lack of commandline options [20:13:44] MaxSem: and 3) as in? [20:13:45] yuvipanda: ROFL [20:13:51] slowness: Nexus S, unidentified phone in one case [20:13:58] i think that's the confusion between 'read in' vs 'switch' that bob was talking about [20:14:11] yuvipanda, not sure about context, but saw more than once [20:14:12] so i was looking for a good way to track our ranking across all languages .. and was tickled by this one .. it won't work but check out the screenshots https://market.android.com/details?id=com.inc.im.serptracker&hl=en [20:16:33] tfinc: There is a problem of translation of the app description in French. Is there a way to fix it ? [20:16:44] looks like the easiest way to browse another app store is to add &hl=langcode to the market url [20:16:46] philinje: --^ [20:16:59] Tpt: give me a better translation and i'll update it rich tnow [20:17:02] right* [20:17:09] we have them moving through translate wiki [20:17:12] but if you can get it to me faster [20:17:15] id love that [20:17:18] tfinc: Ok. [20:18:28] wow .. as soon as you use hl=langcode .. google sets a cookie and all your lang prefs are changed [20:18:32] bad move google .. bad move [20:19:46] wow .. you can really tell how little google screens apps by some of the adult listings [20:20:46] * yuvipanda wonders why tfinc is lookin at the adult listings :P [20:21:05] wonders why yuvipanda isn't [20:21:29] I guess I'm not legally an adult in the US [20:21:53] * SadPanda sighs [20:23:03] tfinc: not sure why that SerpTracker app was interesting [20:23:23] tweet traffic on Orange deal is off the scale [20:27:04] tfinc: http://translatewiki.net/wiki/Wikimedia:Mobileapp-app-description/fr [20:30:13] philinje: did you look at the screenshots ? [20:31:45] philinje: hows our tracker look for our new iOS phone gap build ? [20:32:21] thedj tells me sharing is in a good state to test (minus api keys) [20:33:46] https://twitter.com/#!/4ndreaSt4gi/status/161762705131319296 [20:33:52] @WikimediaMobile hey guys you made a great work, code is well written, easy to read and modify.. contribute is a pleasure ^^ [20:35:01] \o/ [20:35:39] SadPanda: see if you can get that dev to join us on irc [20:36:30] SadPanda: just saw it. thanks [20:36:39] he looks like a really solid open source dev [20:36:50] true! [20:37:36] why isn't the press release on the same day as our blog posts ? [20:37:47] doesn't that make us look stupid ? [20:38:21] there was a press release? [20:38:40] SadPanda: http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Press_releases/Orange_and_WMF_partner_on_Wikipedia_mobile [20:38:58] ah that one [20:39:22] SadPanda: granted I'm glad that one is out .. it makes messasgin simpler [20:39:51] https://developers.facebook.com/html5/blog/post/6/ [20:40:35] nice post [20:44:35] Tpt: search fixed :) [20:44:42] [WikipediaMobile] yuvipanda pushed 1 new commit to master: http://git.io/myiCTA [20:44:42] [WikipediaMobile/master] Properly handle search intents (not just suggestions) - YuviPanda [20:44:56] Project WikipediaMobile - Nightly builds build #128: SUCCESS in 7.7 sec: http://integration.mediawiki.org/ci/job/WikipediaMobile%20-%20Nightly%20builds/128/ [20:44:56] yuvipanda: Properly handle search intents (not just suggestions) [20:44:59] YuviPanda: presentation is up http://wikitech.wikimedia.org/view/File:PhoneGapMeetup_2012_-_Wikipedia_Android_PhoneGap_-_Tomasz_and_Yuvi.pdf [20:46:10] YuviPanda:Thanks [20:47:16] YuviPanda: and were up here http://wikitech.wikimedia.org/view/Presentations [20:47:17] tfinc: poke steve for video [20:49:10] there's a sopa party 2 days after i leave. More stabbiness. [20:51:55] philinje: did you see my question about iOS ? [20:52:13] heatherw_: http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Work_with_us :D [20:52:21] color! [20:52:22] people! [20:52:27] yay! [20:52:28] sopa! [20:52:44] and just the start :) [20:53:10] looks great so far. [20:53:19] is it just me or is "join us" a bit fuzzy ? [20:53:40] not just you [20:53:56] good .. because i'm pretty sure i haven't taken any shots today [20:54:07] heh [20:54:25] i LOVE the photo of Jay [20:54:38] i am not sure *why* it's fuzzy but it can be fixed [20:54:40] ME TOO [20:55:22] it does have gradient and glow that the others don't, which doesn't help with fuzzy effect [20:57:37] are the streams of love letters public? [20:57:49] other than whatever comes in forwarded> [20:57:54] we should make sure that some are :) [20:58:00] and link them :) [20:58:05] yes! [21:02:30] twitter is seriously popin about wp zero [21:04:39] anyone know what language this is in http://alemicihan.com/post/16372368745/wikipedian-n-resmi-android-uygulamas-c-kt ? [21:06:53] tfinc: turkish [21:06:59] ahh [21:07:03] so says chrome [21:07:26] yup. google translate confirms [21:07:46] as i can finally read the tweet that had that link [21:07:46] :D [21:07:48] :D [21:08:26] Teşekkürler! [21:08:58] hehe .. https://sproutsocial.com/wherethesidewalkends/fatal [21:12:04] YuviPanda: https://twitter.com/#!/gordtanner/status/161919035343257600 !!!! [21:12:22] lawlfuwt [21:13:56] anyone has a playbook to test this with? [21:14:58] blackberry has some decent web testing tools [21:15:06] so you don't HAVE to get one [21:15:26] Call blackberry for a donation. [21:16:02] alright, nerds. [21:16:05] Amgine: yup, we have some con tacts at RIM [21:16:06] lolz [21:16:12] what, exactly, is the type of stuff that is going into "Wikipedia Menu" [21:16:18] philinje: --^ [21:16:26] i rather dislike the name. [21:16:32] edit it [21:16:32] +1 [21:16:38] "so change it" [21:16:39] haha [21:16:42] i will. [21:16:49] but really its a step between athena and what we have right now [21:16:56] i think we're going to go with something like "Context Menu" [21:16:56] yes, that i know. [21:16:57] philinje can tell you more as he's been noodling on it [21:17:04] but what it does and what it *is* are two different things. [21:17:04] yeah [21:17:16] actually. "Mobile Context Menu" [21:17:40] in theory, i'm not supposed to be working today. but i do this for you guys. [21:17:54] awww! [21:18:00] in theory i should sleep more . but i dont [21:18:02] lol [21:18:03] thanks jorm [21:18:06] "supposed" [21:18:27] in theory, I'm underage! [21:19:27] underwhatage? there really ought to be another measure of maturity than years alive [21:19:48] also, i'm doing the music for the blackout party. [21:19:57] % of time spent on a computer, perhaps [21:20:10] i vote for 'layers of clothing worn' [21:20:13] MUSIC [21:21:37] why does this give me a tail and how do i make it not? #dumbircquestions [21:21:50] robbie the robot died. [21:21:53] type /nick heatherw [21:22:09] already taken :P [21:22:12] that's why [21:22:41] you should just go by fifi or astrogirl. [21:22:51] you told me not to! [21:22:59] i did? [21:23:05] oh. yeah. when you were just starting. [21:23:09] jorm: have you seen brion's tablet mockup? http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Mobile_mockups_for_Android_style#Mockup_for_tablet [21:23:12] did you ever get a cloak? [21:23:15] i have, yuvi. [21:23:21] i didn't *shame* [21:23:34] they mis-spelt my cloak :( [21:23:40] fifi is taken [21:23:47] but it makes more sense [21:23:53] i like astrogirl better, tbh. [21:24:04] no one calls me that [21:24:15] except aneel [21:36:49] YuviPanda: these guys just reached out to me http://emitrom.com/gwt4touch .. let me know if its worth our time [21:37:43] tfinc: nope [21:37:49] k [21:37:59] it's like what we're doing, but by writing Java instead of JavaScript [21:39:04] blackberry playbook pull request is in :D [21:40:47] engadget picked up wp zero http://www.engadget.com/2012/01/24/orange-offers-free-wikipedia-access-to-mobile-users-in-africa-an/?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter [21:41:02] hrm. [21:41:04] interesting. [21:41:10] hashar: thanks for the f-droid push [21:41:14] i've been way too swamped [21:41:27] I did not submit it [21:41:36] nickname is hansemil [21:41:40] lolz hansemil [21:41:41] your right [21:41:43] anyway it is probably not high priority [21:41:55] I believe most people just use the google marketplace [21:42:03] that or the amazon marketplace [21:42:07] i'll get amazon this week [21:42:19] google has the largest presence [21:42:22] i'm going to show you something that i dislike but i want to talk about it. [21:42:40] FDroid can surely wait. [21:42:57] would be great to find out what marketplace is used in India / Brazil [21:43:15] YuviPanda: whats the most common in india ? [21:43:17] http://elohim.gaijin.com/Athena-ContextMenuWorking.png [21:43:19] they might have local providers wich are more popular than american marketplace [21:43:20] okay. look at that. [21:43:23] let's trash it. [21:43:40] tfinc: android market, really. [21:44:02] problem: the affordance area is too big. [21:44:09] problem: the affordance area is too stark. [21:44:21] hashar: YuviPanda lives in India so i'll trust him on this one [21:44:24] problem: the affordance area is not translucent. [21:44:53] problem: reducing the size of the W icon may create strange experiences for users when it resizes. [21:45:02] uhuh [21:45:17] so in terms of cleanup.. also think about all of our crappy options in the footer [21:45:28] yeah, i've got stuff for that, actually. [21:45:29] i really wish philinje was about as he's leading this along [21:45:31] also for login. [21:45:40] yup [21:45:56] have you seen the login stuff? [21:46:06] i've seen it on athena [21:46:37] wait. i've got something you haven't seen. [21:47:17] jorm: the mockup is sort of ok, but the W thing could be smaller [21:47:20] http://elohim.gaijin.com/Athena-Mobile-LoginSuccessful.png [21:47:52] jorm: nice [21:47:58] the W could be a lot of things there. it's not good, which is why i posted it. [21:48:21] tfinc: why is Jimmy the photo of the engadget piece? [21:48:28] hell if i know [21:48:37] perhaps we don't have better stock footage for mobile ? [21:48:42] ask jay or amit [21:49:27] ok .. i'm stepping away for a bit to prep 1.0.2 [21:49:35] cool [21:49:44] is it just the caching fix? [21:50:44] yes [21:50:49] i get why the W is like that, can you change the other stuff? [21:52:05] sup awjr [21:52:34] hey there tfinc [21:53:14] there is an annoying issue with using irc and a mifi - neither colloquy nor adium have support built in for SASL auth, which apparently is required when using a mifi :( [21:53:28] you missed a fun meeetup. we had about 200 people @ adobe and 50+ online [21:53:35] dang! [21:53:36] tfinc: poke steve again for the video [21:53:37] that's awesome [21:53:47] + beer + about-average-pizza [21:53:59] hahaha [21:54:48] awjr: why do you need SASL? [21:55:00] preilly: i only need it when i connect the net with a mifi [21:55:09] or at least that's the only time i've needed it [21:55:46] awjr: @see — http://www.luisdelarosa.com/2011/04/28/fixing-sasl-for-colloquy-when-you-are-using-a-mifi/ [21:56:10] ah yeah i saw that but i dont ahve time to rebuild coloquy right now :p [21:56:21] awjr: what version are you using? [21:56:32] it was easier to find an actual wifi signal [21:56:43] well right now im using adium [21:56:47] http://dumps.wikimedia.org/android/WikipediaMobile-1.0.2-RC1.apk ( 66adf5c9fbc75f60ae3396c8d286eab5 ) [21:57:04] awjr: I've got version Version 2.4 (5334) [21:57:07] but previously i had been using the latest version of colloquy stable, whatever that is [21:57:14] awjr, tunnel in using ssh -D and use that as a socks proxy for your IRC [21:57:28] awjr: SASL support is fixed as of [5259] [21:57:29] easiest way I've found to get on IRC through mifi [21:57:40] good idea [21:58:12] I use XCHAT which I know does SASL (and in fact I use it frequently) and it still has issues with the mifi. I think it's just ports that are required for the connection somewhere blocked [21:58:26] philinje: what excatly goes into the menu? [21:58:45] preilly: 2.3 is what they have on their downloads page - is 2.4 still in dev? [21:59:03] astrogirl: what other stuff? [21:59:31] content format [21:59:36] jorm: there are three categories of stuff - general Wikipedia features like Random [21:59:37] is it just me or is scrolling really jerky in 1.0.2 ? [21:59:46] awjr: use http://colloquy.info/downloads/colloquy-2.4.zip [21:59:48] features specific to the article, like inter-wiki links [21:59:52] preilly: found 2.4 [21:59:54] account features like login [22:00:25] i do not think that putting those things all into the same menu is probably a good idea. [22:00:54] in the apps, we can put some of that in the app menu [22:01:12] but mobile site is the worst case [22:01:12] tfinc: shouldn't be. [22:02:04] do you have a written up business/use case document anywhere? [22:04:16] philinje: ^ [22:04:18] was about to work on one, but after dealing with Android upcoming release organization [22:04:45] YuviPanda: seeing it less as i browse [22:05:00] i just tweeted about 1.0.2-RC1 [22:05:08] philinje: i'm cleaning up 1.1, closing all the bugs that've been fixed [22:05:08] all there is at present is on Feature Corral [22:05:10] http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mobile_Projects/features#UI_and_usability [22:05:41] YuviPanda: ok great [22:06:22] hrm. [22:06:43] i am not enthusiastic about mixing our metaphors and context modes here. [22:06:53] jorm: if you want to chat on the phone, let me know [22:07:03] philinje: we need to focus brandon better here. what are we trying to create for our users here? lets decide on that first and then we can pick features [22:07:07] one of the goals of "athena think" is to move away from mashing everything into a single box. [22:07:55] yes, there could be more obvious separation between types of functions [22:08:18] Table of Contents is part of recent designs by Brion in terms of app menus [22:08:30] these are all slightly separate things. [22:08:53] activities can be broken down to: site wide, user focused, and article/page focus. [22:09:05] jorm: exactly [22:09:27] so, in this case, what are we trying to do? [22:09:36] remove cruft? hide things? [22:09:41] collect things? [22:09:47] we have both article focus and site wide in the current menu on the mobile site [22:09:54] right. [22:10:16] a better way to organize these things and make them more accessible, without taking up too much space [22:10:59] so when we talked before, it was about a tab or something in the corner, like your mock-up, and the menu would slide on and off the screen [22:11:05] right. [22:11:16] and i'm still hip to that idea. [22:11:44] we need to think across site and apps too [22:12:22] like inter-wiki links are in the app menu currently, but is that really an app function? [22:12:23] what do you mean by "apps?" deployed features, like feedback dashboard, or the hardware specific apps (android/iOS) ? [22:12:34] it's an article function. [22:12:38] i meant Android and iOS apps [22:12:45] could be tablets too [22:12:46] YuviPanda: you didn't bump the version code [22:12:50] gah [22:12:54] which is why in the athena mockups, it's placed in teh "article actions" section. [22:13:01] tfinc: let me do that. [22:13:10] jorm: exactly [22:13:29] that's why we said before this was an intermediate step toward Athena [22:13:43] this is possibly where my concerns come in. [22:13:48] we have a problem with change management. [22:13:56] ok [22:14:05] tfinc: done [22:14:14] i am leery of teaching users a new method of doing something when we know that we are going to teach them a whole different way in the future. [22:14:23] [WikipediaMobile] yuvipanda pushed 1 new commit to v1.0.2: http://git.io/5CzTag [22:14:23] [WikipediaMobile/v1.0.2] Bumped version number - YuviPanda [22:15:21] jorm: so i thought we would start to introduce these concepts of organization [22:15:22] Project WikipediaMobile - Nightly builds build #129: SUCCESS in 8.5 sec: http://integration.mediawiki.org/ci/job/WikipediaMobile%20-%20Nightly%20builds/129/ [22:15:23] yuvipanda: Bumped version number [22:15:33] maybe different parts of the screen for different purposes? [22:16:14] also take a look at Brion's mock-ups, just slightly further down on the Features page. [22:16:35] philinje: jorm … would this work better in person? irc isn't the best way to pass on ideas,visuals, etc [22:16:40] or at least video [22:20:29] man, i want to change the topic to, "we have a problem with change management" [22:21:15] heh. [22:21:53] let me set up a meeting tomorrow, is that ok? [22:22:25] yeah. let's do this in the morning, maybe. [22:22:28] can you include howie? [22:22:31] YuviPanda: weird regression [22:22:51] YuviPanda: load the article on San Diego in 1.0.1 and 1.0.2 [22:22:51] tfinc: ? [22:23:01] in 1.0.1 the width is fine [22:23:06] 1.0.2 .. its jacked up [22:23:45] jorm: yes, will include howie - should i just check your calendar? [22:24:06] i'm free except at 10 [22:24:16] earlier > later [22:24:58] cool [22:27:43] tfinc: you have an overlap at 11am with Kiwix - maybe join us if that finishes early? [22:28:30] maybe at the end [22:29:45] looks like there is a staff lunch on Thur, SOPA celebration [22:30:24] should we meet tomorrow instead? [22:30:38] or just bow out of the staff lunch? [22:33:11] YuviPanda: can you create a change log in the repot. that way i can just pick it up ? [22:33:57] repot? where? [22:34:09] add a change log to our app [22:34:10] s/repot/repo [22:34:39] you guys can update it with large scale changes and i use it to update the market market recent changes [22:34:46] instead of having to figure it out by hand each time [22:34:55] tfinc: do you just want a ChangeLog file or do you want it visible in app? [22:35:00] i don't think it needs to be visible in app [22:35:12] just a ChangeLog now [22:35:18] dont worry about it being seen in the app [22:35:28] this will just be for devs and for me to use for recent changes [22:37:13] tfinc: want to keep our meeting on Thur, or move it to Wed [22:37:36] and should we have a team meeting to discuss priorities for next app releases? [22:40:06] i cannot bow out of that staff lunch. [22:40:25] since i was a pretty big part of the blackout thing. [22:43:59] jorm: i was talking to Tomasz, because we normally have a meeting on Thur at lunch [22:44:31] hmm [22:44:40] * tfinc wonders where brion is hiding [22:45:05] ah. [22:46:32] YuviPanda: http://etherpad.wikimedia.org/WikipediaMobileAndroid-V1-0-2 [22:46:35] add as needed [22:46:49] tfinc: in a cave [22:46:51] philinje: move it some other time on thur [22:46:56] i'm trying to work from home on wed [22:47:06] which is why you see my whole day blocked off [22:47:09] tfinc: that's it, really. [22:47:21] that's better now [22:47:28] anything else ? [22:47:37] nope [22:47:43] oh wait [22:47:44] sd card [22:47:50] you merged that in? [22:48:17] i'm an idiot [22:48:22] i didn't [22:48:30] that's not going in, no. [22:48:36] so yeah, that's it - only one item [22:48:39] ok .. yeah .. lets leave that for 1.1 [22:48:41] checked git log to make sure [22:53:03] Don't want to interrupt your conversation, let me just say hi all and nice to meet you ^^ I'm Andrea Stagi from Italy and willing to collaborate with you to make a great app.. started sending some pull request yesterday.. [22:53:15] * YuviPanda waves at Astagi  [22:53:19] tfinc: set release roadmap meeting for Thur at 2 [22:53:56] welcome, Astagi [22:54:01] hehe mozilla is reaching out to us to be in their app store https://apps.mozillalabs.com/ [22:54:03] FTW! [22:54:14] thanks YuviPanda [22:54:36] Astagi: welcome! [22:54:48] thanks tfinc [22:55:05] Astagi: awesome to see your pull requests coming in [22:55:08] tfinc: i was thinking of setting us up on the chrome app store too [22:55:50] thanks tfinc hope to be helpful ^^ [22:58:44] Astagi: philinje can help you out if you don't see any bugs to pick up [22:58:47] quick run through [22:58:56] YuviPanda: i recently met the product manager of the Chrome web store, i assume that includes apps [22:58:59] we have v1.1, v1.2, and v2.0 that were planning for now [22:59:09] philinje: it does [22:59:11] Astagi: pull request looks good, going to merge it in after testing [22:59:12] same thing [22:59:25] you should number things like mediawiki does :p [22:59:42] and with thedj 's work you'll see your name in the about section of the app [22:59:52] Astagi: welcome! if you want to jump into Android app v 1.1, take a look at bug 31805 [23:00:17] Reedy: lolz. soon you'll be telling me that it was a good idea to use mediawiki for commons [23:00:21] ;) [23:00:30] ok tfinc , thanks YuviPanda ;) will make something better than a workaround.. [23:00:56] philinje thanks ^^ nice to meet you.. nice will have a look! [23:01:00] Astagi: right now i could also use a tester for 1.0.2-RC1 [23:01:20] Astagi: http://dumps.wikimedia.org/android/WikipediaMobile-1.0.2-RC1.apk [23:01:24] small cache fix [23:02:06] tfinc nice will test it on the tablet too ^^ [23:02:16] nice. which tablet? [23:02:26] asus trasformer [23:02:35] tf101 not the new one [23:02:46] still have 3.2.1 [23:03:15] i really hope brion gets the transformer. were getting murdered on reviews for it [23:03:16] oh! [23:03:30] Astagi: we've had tons of reviews with weirdness on the transformer [23:04:14] tfinc oh I see.. will have a look on that.. [23:04:15] Ok, so who broke the build? [23:04:32] * tfinc looks at Reedy [23:04:33] Forced closed on me after update.. Restarted and it's not loading anything and menu all say nullll [23:04:46] Reedy: which version are you using? [23:04:50] git head [23:04:58] Reedy: test 1.0.2-RC1 for me [23:05:38] Astagi: do set this channel on auto join . were always in here [23:05:43] remotes/origin/v1.0.2 ? [23:05:57] Reedy: or http://dumps.wikimedia.org/android/WikipediaMobile-1.0.2-RC1.apk [23:06:07] same thing [23:06:09] Reedy: get it from download [23:06:13] its not the same thing [23:06:18] as the apk is signed [23:06:19] ah [23:06:20] yes [23:06:27] we should test exactly what were about to submit to the store [23:06:56] http://bit.ly/xliVJE [23:08:08] preilly: can you give it a quick test too ? [23:08:16] i'd like to know that 4.0 doesn't explode [23:08:22] YuviPanda: did you test on 2.2 ? [23:08:41] i can test it on 4.0.3 on my xooom [23:08:51] go for it [23:08:54] tfinc ok ^^ [23:09:43] tfinc: yeap [23:11:51] i'm getting 403 forbidden from dumps.wm.o [23:11:59] tfinc: nope, not yet [23:12:04] Ryan_Lane: --^ [23:12:12] tfinc: my transformer is out of energy :| I'll put it on charge and test on it later, now will test on my htc wildfire with cyanogen 2.3 [23:12:13] every now and then we'll see 403 on dumps. [23:12:19] thanks Astagi [23:12:30] Ryan_Lane: seems to be random [23:12:52] preilly: how many localizations did we have in the old iOS app ? [23:12:54] language wise [23:12:58] as many as android or less? [23:13:00] Astagi: looks good, just needs a new icon :) [23:14:12] YuriPanda you mean my pull request? I'm not a graphic man sorry ^^ [23:14:19] I'm not getting any errors [23:14:30] I also don't really know how this stuff is setup [23:14:38] any idea who set it up? [23:14:41] it's passed for me [23:14:46] Ariel presumably? [23:14:53] I guess so [23:16:15] tfinc: the top navigation isn't working correctly [23:16:28] YuviPanda: --^ [23:16:30] tfinc: it's not resizing on orientation change [23:18:10] tfinc: also, back button in offline mode seems broken [23:18:32] YuviPanda: --^ [23:18:45] tfinc: i was the one testing it with preilly. [23:18:56] there's a bug report about orientation [23:19:05] not a regression but something we'd need to fix [23:19:16] YuviPanda: is that fixed in master? [23:19:17] ok. were only looking for regressions here. [23:19:27] preilly: should be, give the nightly a try? [23:19:33] YuviPanda: okay [23:19:55] preilly: nightlies might be confused, they built everytime someone pushes, rather than just master. [23:20:01] if you have a clone handy try from that [23:20:27] tfinc: but the 'back button' is a regression, am trying that out on my phone to see if it is a 4.0 issue or a general one [23:20:38] preilly: did you see my localization question ? [23:21:10] tfinc: no I don't think that I did [23:21:43] tfinc: preilly: how many localizations did we have in the old iOS app ? [23:22:00] tfinc works nice on htc Wildfire with Cyanogen 2.3 in online mode ^^ let's try offline [23:22:00] tfinc: 4 [23:22:17] wow .. thats pretty crappy .. go android app [23:22:18] which 4 ? [23:22:19] okay, the back button issue seems to be 4.0 only [23:22:39] preilly: can I borrow your phone and debug on it? [23:22:58] Dutch, English, hu and ja [23:23:02] YuviPanda: yes [23:23:16] preilly: thanks [23:23:34] bacl button issue? [23:23:51] Reedy: go online, browse around, go offline, hit back [23:23:56] ah [23:23:57] you should be able to go back and view stuff [23:24:01] even when offline [23:24:13] works on my 2.3 device [23:27:20] ok nice seems to work fine offline too.. tried to reproduce back button issue, but nothing happens here, all works great ^^ [23:28:03] so, it looks like that's a 4.0.x only bug [23:28:28] seems so [23:30:12] preilly & philinje : can i get your help on http://etherpad.wikimedia.org/RWW-WikipediaZero .. ReadWriteWeb is writing a piece about us and has some questions [23:33:38] tfinc tried on Transformer. Seems to be stable both online and offline, no back button issue, just some weird behaviour on rendering pages, sometimes elements disappear :| [23:36:17] tfinc: made a small change, looks ok to me [23:36:45] alright, the problem seems to be that on ICS, we can no longer know if we're offline or online [23:39:40] philinje: can you make sure that we have all of the issues that Astagi is reporting on the transformer ? [23:41:02] phonegap bug :| [23:42:32] preilly: thoughts on http://etherpad.wikimedia.org/RWW-WikipediaZero ? [23:43:00] tfinc: I put responses [23:43:04] Astagi: are the rendering problems new with the 1.02 apk? [23:43:07] sweet .. i see the now [23:43:09] thanks! [23:43:20] np [23:44:37] philinje don't know it's the first time I try the app on tablet.. will try to install the older version and let you know [23:44:58] tfinc: just wondering, should we tell Jay about this article? or copy him on the Etherpad? [23:45:15] Astagi: ok thanks [23:45:17] philinje: this is for jay [23:45:26] he asked me to get responses to this [23:45:46] ok [23:45:47] i just trimmed out that portion of the ail [23:45:49] mail* [23:45:55] is anyone else testing 1.02? [23:51:54] philinje uhm with the older version seems to work fine, no rendering issue at the moment.. [23:52:59] tfinc: am I in the platform engineering roadmap meeting? [23:53:14] preilly: i put you on there in case you wanted to come [23:53:18] optional for you [23:53:28] wanted to let you know it was happening [23:53:34] tfinc: what are the meetings like? [23:53:41] this all be my first [23:53:44] will* [23:53:47] and master doesn't even run on ICS :| [23:53:58] YuviPanda: boo [23:55:08] tfinc: okay, I'll go, but I need to run out for a minute — I'll be a few minutes late to it [23:55:30] oh it does work [23:55:37] just doesn't load main page by default [23:55:48] and the orientation bug has been fixed but the cache bug has not [23:57:46] Astagi: thanks [23:58:43] i am seeing the linespacing problem in the first paragraph - another regression [23:58:58] philinje you're welcome ^^ [23:59:14] philinje: linespacing problem? [23:59:36] the first paragraph linespacing is too small [23:59:43] that was fixed a while ago