[00:00:18] Hi all! [00:00:50] sorry Reedy , did you try the new experimental graphic of the app? [00:00:57] not had chance [00:02:15] ok :) let me know when you can ... are you at FOSDEM? [00:28:24] sorry Reedy, get disconnected :| I'm saying are you at FOSDEM this weekend? [00:28:43] Nope [00:28:52] * yuvipanda waves groggily [00:29:05] I currently have no reason to even leave the house [00:29:32] hey yuvipanda welcome back ^^ [00:29:48] ok Reedy :) [00:31:16] Astagi_: heya! [00:31:25] i'm sure you've lots of code for me to look at [00:31:39] but am going to go back and crash :) [00:32:10] and will look at it when I'm actually awake [00:32:13] okay Astagi? [00:32:27] ahaha yep yuvipanda :D a bunch of pull request have been merged yestarday by Tomasz.. [00:32:34] np yuvipanda take your time ^^ [00:32:56] how was the travel? [00:33:08] not bad [00:34:24] nice ^^ [00:36:57] have to go now, will listen here in the next days, have a good time at FOSDEM ^^ [00:37:36] bye bye! [00:37:38] bye all! [00:37:45] Astagi: gnite :D [00:37:59] gnite :) [07:35:06] !info [07:35:09] nope [07:35:15] wm-bot: help [07:35:21] !help [07:35:22] help? [07:35:25] sigh [07:35:40] wm-bot: tell yuvipanda testing [07:35:42] nope [07:49:08] Hallo, yuvipanda. [07:49:27] What is the meaning of the "Output" message? [07:49:50] aharoni: hi [07:49:54] 'output' where exactly? [07:50:12] that's the thing, i don't know :) [07:50:20] it's one of the messages to translate. [07:50:45] aharoni: in the mobile app? o_O [07:50:55] yes [07:51:10] hmm I see it too [07:51:11] let me see [07:51:13] http://translatewiki.net/w/i.php?title=Special:Translate&group=out-wikipedia-mobile&language=he&task=view&offset=0&limit=500#msg_mobileapp-app-description [07:51:24] it's the only one that i'm not sure how to translate. [07:51:44] aharoni: it's the 'more' menu [07:51:47] item in iOS [07:51:52] not sure why brion called it 'output' [07:51:52] iOS?! [07:52:05] aharoni: yes, the 'new' iOS app - same codebase as android :) [07:52:09] it's not out yet [07:52:16] that sounds very cool. [07:52:32] aharoni: :D it is! [07:52:34] but the message should be documented. [07:52:44] aharoni: I know, I try to add qqq messages everytime I add one [07:52:48] will poke brion to do so for him [07:52:59] aharoni: do you want me to do a 'pass' and add qqq messages for all current messages? [07:53:00] thank you. i emailed mobile-l about it, too. [07:53:01] I can do that [07:53:17] that would be wonderful. [07:53:41] and while we're there: [07:54:13] the description for the Market says that one of the app's features is "Full screen search" [07:54:18] what does it mean, actually? [07:54:30] that there's a screen-wide search box at the top? [07:54:43] aharoni: it means the search results actually take up your full screen [07:54:48] instead of just being a 'drop down' [07:54:54] not sure if we should consider that a 'feature' :D [07:55:24] that's another thing that should be explained in qqq or re-phrased. [07:55:43] the first thing i though is that i can search the article, like Ctrl-F [07:56:37] let me talk to tfinc about getting rid of that [07:56:54] then when i saw that it's not there, i thought that it refers to the fact that the app has a screen-wide search box, [07:57:21] unlike the mobile site, which has a tiny search box. [07:57:57] aharoni: will add qqq for the messages and talk to tomasz about rewording our desc [07:58:18] thank you. [11:26:56] thedj: is the lack of Plugins/ShareKit intentional? [11:26:59] s/lack/absence/ [11:44:22] [WikipediaMobile] yuvipanda created 1.4-migration (+1 new commit): http://git.io/VUcSow [11:44:22] [WikipediaMobile/1.4-migration] Initial conversion to 1.4.x. Needs iOS work - YuviPanda [11:44:46] Project WikipediaMobile - Nightly builds build #167: SUCCESS in 13 sec: http://integration.mediawiki.org/ci/job/WikipediaMobile%20-%20Nightly%20builds/167/ [11:49:35] [WikipediaMobile] yuvipanda pushed 1 new commit to master: http://git.io/RNifjA [11:49:35] [WikipediaMobile/master] Removed needless features of saved pages - YuviPanda [11:49:50] Project WikipediaMobile - Nightly builds build #168: SUCCESS in 9.5 sec: http://integration.mediawiki.org/ci/job/WikipediaMobile%20-%20Nightly%20builds/168/ [11:49:51] yuvipanda: Removed needless features of saved pages [11:52:16] yuvipanda, how was the fight? [11:52:38] MaxSem: the fight with xcode was won by xCode [11:52:50] i'm finishing some lesser opponents before heading for the file:/// fight again :P [11:52:56] but if you meant flight, it was not bad [11:53:06] ~30 hours vs my ~24 hours flight to sf [11:53:13] 'twas a Freudian typo:P [11:53:15] :D [11:53:40] MaxSem: and jetlagged [11:54:20] at least you're not in the exactly opposite TZ like me [11:54:37] MaxSem: that might possibly be better [11:54:38] or worse [11:55:40] I heard of some pills to soften the jetlag... don't remeber which [11:55:50] MaxSem: i had some - infact had a strip with me in SF [11:55:53] didn't use it for JetLag [11:55:57] but then it mysteriously was lost :| [11:56:09] lost 10 of them [11:56:19] and not sure if I want to buy them here now - they can be addictive [12:08:49] [WikipediaMobile] yuvipanda pushed 1 new commit to master: http://git.io/x5MN9Q [12:08:49] [WikipediaMobile/master] Set user agenet properly - YuviPanda [12:09:03] Project WikipediaMobile - Nightly builds build #169: SUCCESS in 7.7 sec: http://integration.mediawiki.org/ci/job/WikipediaMobile%20-%20Nightly%20builds/169/ [12:09:03] yuvipanda: Set user agenet properly [12:14:05] MaxSem: did I miss anything important on the wednesday standup? [12:14:16] nope [12:15:14] heh ok [12:19:59] jsoby|FOSDEM [12:20:00] dig it in [12:41:32] Amgine: i just looked at https://github.com/wikimedia/WiktionaryMobile to see if there's anything I could/should review [12:41:33] not much code [12:41:56] am I looking in the wrong place? [12:43:27] yuvipanda: it's another github.com account..hold on [12:44:36] https://github.com/pfhayes/WiktionaryMobile [12:45:05] ah yes, I remember telling him to not wait for 'officialness' [12:45:07] heh, actually my gerrit comment was: "not important, but wouldn't it be nicer to have both apps in github.com/wikimedia/ ?" [12:45:22] when that index.html on NightlyBuilds was merged [12:45:47] hashar said I have no idea why it get forked instead of being a branch. [12:46:52] mutante: it was supposed to be wikipediamobile/WiktionaryMobile [12:47:13] tfinc wasn't around to create that, so I told pfhayes to go ahead instead of waiting for 'official' approval or some such thing [12:47:48] yep, git is flexible enough to change it, so not a big deal i guess [12:48:07] yeah, exactly [12:48:27] hmm, will probably ask them why they're going 'menu' based for word of day instead of just fixing m.wiktionary.org [12:51:22] got a feature idea: display uncategorized pages(words), then make it easy to categorize on mobile device. i once wrote php scripts to semi-auto sort uncategorized words by language... [12:51:58] mutante: editing is harder than it sounds, is on feature map for 2.0 [12:52:04] basic problem is you need to handle login first [12:52:05] it's a wiktionary thing.. it used to have thousands of uncategorized pages.. until the categorization project [12:52:24] mutante: they've done a fairly good job of keeping upto speed on new developments in wikipediamobile land [12:52:33] mutante: ah, right. then maybe they could pull that in [12:52:34] talk to Amgine [12:52:40] ok, i'll be patient and try to contribute once basic editing is there [12:53:38] i shall update wikipediamobile on my HTC ..youre right [12:54:20] mutante: try the nightlies! [12:54:27] see /topic [12:54:43] yep, i did..just some nights have passed since then:) [12:55:08] mutante: hehe [12:55:27] i also confirmed it's working on an Android tablet .. Sony tablet S that is [12:55:44] mutante: it's hardly tablet 'optimized' though [12:55:48] we do make sure it works, however :) [12:59:47] wiktionaryapp could/should use this http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/User_talk:Conrad.Irwin/creation.js [13:00:01] that is "Accelerated" editing when using a traditional browser [13:01:18] * mutante imagines user laying on couch, using multi-touch on Android tablet, tablet-optimized wiktionary app, creating missing plural forms etc.. with the tip of a finger .. [13:03:08] lying. damnit [13:08:03] mutante: hmmm that sounds good, though no direct way for me to check [13:10:27] thousands and thousands of plural forms etc. have been created by users clicking "Green links" after enabling the Accelerated feature in their profile [13:11:43] mutante: okay, just logged in - going to try that out [13:11:53] :) [13:12:07] let me find one for you [13:13:08] http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/User:Mutante/German_nouns [13:13:41] letter K http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/User:Mutante/German_nouns/K [13:14:23] ok, this is a good one: http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Kachelofen [13:14:29] mutante: hmm, I see red in green and blue in green [13:14:41] aha [13:14:44] now this makes sense [13:14:49] on the page Kachelofen [13:14:51] Kachelofen m (genitive Kachelofens, plural Kachelöfen) [13:14:58] yes, i see that [13:15:02] genitive and plural should be green links, and they are ok to click.. [13:15:03] and clicking it 'pre-fills' something [13:15:17] yes, its ok to save, the words are correct:) [13:15:40] on "Kachelofen" that is [13:16:03] i'd rather not put my name on something I've no idea about :D [13:16:26] it's ok, ill save:) [13:16:51] now i created the complete page http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Kachelofens with a single click [13:17:52] and links are blue [13:18:00] mmm that sounds good [13:18:02] Amgine: ^ [13:18:08] am sure Amgine already knows these [13:18:15] hmm, these don't translate to wikipedia.. [13:18:48] yea, that's why i mention it, features that are really wiktionary related [13:19:04] for the wikt app [13:19:49] mutante: true, it'd be great if the guys can get tha tin [13:19:50] *that in [13:19:57] it's okay to even have that as anonymous [13:21:19] ok brb [13:21:34] i'm more of a wiktionary than a wikipedia editor anyways..and didnt like the unoffical wikt apps in market..thats why this is great [13:21:38] ttyl [13:32:28] [13:35:03] So, mutante, you want Cirwin's bot thingy enabled on the mobile app? [13:37:19] yes [13:38:36] i'd like to go through lists of pages with green links on them, ideally [13:38:39] Okay, I will add that as a feature bug. I believe it will already be available/working, but we should make sure it does. [13:38:47] awesome! thx [13:39:34] Yw. I love volunteering other people to do work. [13:39:42] hehe:) [13:40:32] Do you have a url to the page describing it on en.WT? [13:41:22] http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Wiktionary:ACCEL [13:42:46] example pages with green links can be found on the A-Z pages below http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/User:Mutante/German_nouns , colored in green [13:44:47] Thanks! [13:46:32] Mutante: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Wiktionary_Mobile_App_Feature_List [13:47:21] :) [13:47:48] We should be up on Bugzilla soon, so it will be easier to request things for the App. [13:58:10] great [14:03:58] Who did you ask to create you the bz component? [14:05:14] Reedy: Tomasz. [14:06:19] (He was planning to reorganize the Mobile section) [14:10:37] ah [16:10:11] can the app be localized? would this be an interesting feature//do i work on it? [16:10:44] they already are [16:10:48] mostly, at least [16:10:59] Reedy: ok! catalan isn't translated [16:11:02] or is it? [16:11:07] is it via translatewiki? [16:11:18] translations are done by volunteers [16:11:28] http://translatewiki.net/wiki/Translating:WikipediaMobile [16:11:33] ok. great thansk [16:11:48] If you want to add translations, create an account and follow the instructions on that page [16:11:56] The translations will come into the app within a few days [16:12:23] ...or with next release? [16:12:31] http://translatewiki.net/w/i.php?title=Special%3ATranslate&task=untranslated&group=out-wikipedia-mobile&language=ca&limit=100 [16:12:40] It would seem that most parts are translated [16:13:18] Translation flow [16:13:18] The Android app is still in provisional testing and isn't available in the market yet, but you can download nightly builds to test on your phone or tablet. [16:13:18] updates available in git source within ~24 hours [16:14:56] Reedy, https://market.android.com/details?id=org.wikipedia [16:15:35] well, yeah [16:15:55] http://translatewiki.net/wiki/Thread:Project:Translator/_ca_catal%C3%A0_%E2%80%93_Catal%C3%A0_%2815%29 [16:16:45] http://translatewiki.net/w/i.php?title=Special%3ALanguageStats&x=D&code=ca&suppresscomplete=1 [16:16:54] There's loads more stuff you can translate too if you're interested [16:17:10] ok [17:04:06] * yuvipanda waves very, very groggily [17:06:39] ok brb [17:38:46] hi yuvipanda :) [17:38:58] Astagi: heya [17:39:15] :D GroggyPanda [17:39:25] jetlag, etc :) [17:39:26] saw your solution [17:39:41] yep I can imagine ^^ [17:39:56] Astagi: heh, it definitely fixed a *lot* of bugs [17:40:28] yep GroggyPanda .. the problem is Lawnchair [17:40:59] yes, do you happen to know why https://github.com/4ndreaSt4gi/WikipediaMobile/commit/d99763077f0a60ae86516e2f37c3825d2e96428d fixes it? [17:41:16] it's strange that even if it works on separate databases, when called async it crashes, saying that he can't find it... [17:41:31] leaky abstractions :) [17:41:58] will have to see if it can be eventually replaced with something else [17:42:22] no GroggyPanda I don't know :D :D I saw in the official site that he store a "void" Lawnchair object before start working with it.. I tried it and it works, but it's strange... [17:43:34] Astagi: because a new lawnchair object *is* being created just a few lines down from there [17:43:39] yep should be better find another way... it's a temporary fix.. [17:44:22] hm didn't get it GroggyPanda... what are you referring to? [17:45:14] if you check https://github.com/4ndreaSt4gi/WikipediaMobile/commit/d99763077f0a60ae86516e2f37c3825d2e96428d 2 lines below where you added a 'new Lawnchair' [17:45:21] a new lawnchair instance is being created [17:47:05] yes, and without that it crashes... I find it very odd, that's true :D if you try with SavedPagesDB it works without instantiating a new void object.. [17:47:17] I don't know why [17:47:25] we should investigate into Lawnchair [17:47:45] but may require time.. [17:48:28] Astagi: sigh, true [17:48:29] I tried to see all the instances made with SavedPagesDB and they are the same [17:48:55] Astagi: hmm, so you're saying that ones made with savedPagesDB work out fine, but ones with historyDB don't? [17:49:11] [17:49:16] yep exactly GroggyPanda ^^ [17:49:22] allo amgine [17:49:30] Trying to set up skype, and failing at the moment. [17:49:37] Damn PulseAudio [17:50:08] ah, linux [17:50:27] Hey amgine! [17:50:47] amgine: i see http://en.m.wiktionary.org/ now does word of the day ;) [17:51:20] Yep, Preilly fixed it. [17:51:33] But we still want the feature in the menu. [17:51:45] but, but, WHY? [17:52:02] same as hitting the 'W' button and going back to home, no? [17:52:11] i'd agree if you guys wanted this as a home screen widget or something [17:52:31] Because the mobile doesn't always start at the main page. It also starts inside any other app if the user decides to search for a word. [17:53:18] (Dale figured out how to do that.) Yes, Wiktionarymobile can be used to look up words when in other apps. [17:53:48] Heyla Patrick. [17:54:01] hi [17:56:22] GroggyPanda I have to go ^^ if you find a better solution would be great, but don't waste further time, we can use that workaround ;) [17:56:46] Astagi: yes, ofcourse ;D [17:56:51] Astagi: thanks for all the awesome patches :D [17:57:41] Astagi: also easy to knock off feature here if you want some (https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=33866) [17:57:41] you're welcome GroggyPanda ;) I'm glad to help Wikimedia :) [17:57:46] Astagi: :D [17:58:27] will have a look GroggyPanda, nice ^^ I started working on the find on text feature [17:58:37] I think should be great to have in the app [17:58:37] Astagi: ah, nice! [17:58:51] yes, but let's see if we can push that into 1.1 or 1.2 :) [17:59:01] Astagi: open a bug for it if it doesn't already exist [17:59:19] nice :) yep was opened yesterday, just assigned ;) [17:59:34] oh GroggyPanda before I forget it.. [17:59:37] GroggyPanda: I know it's late, but thanks for being here. [17:59:58] remember the bug about htc desire HD? [18:00:07] amgine: this is *usually* early but it's my jet-lag that makes it late [18:00:12] but np :) [18:00:21] [18:00:22] Astagi: which one? [18:00:25] autocomplete? [18:01:14] https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=31522 [18:01:25] I started putting the Wikipedia website css into the app.. [18:01:58] maybe it's a solution that works for all devices.. https://github.com/4ndreaSt4gi/WikipediaMobile/tree/desirehd [18:02:21] Hullo sheaclare, dlemieux [18:02:27] just some test GroggyPanda ^^ [18:02:29] hi amgine [18:02:35] i think pfhayes is here already, too [18:02:38] now it's really ugly anyway :) [18:02:42] I am [18:02:53] Yep. And I think I have skype working finally. [18:02:56] Astagi: true, but we ideally should keep them separate [18:03:16] Astagi: as they already are [18:03:56] ok np GroggyPanda ;) [18:04:23] well I go :D [18:04:36] have a nice day man! cya! [18:04:39] bye all! [18:04:39] GroggyPanda: you're running this skype conference call. My skype account is jamgine. [18:04:46] Tah Astagi! [18:04:57] Astagi: bye! [18:05:01] amgine GroggyPanda mine is shea_clare [18:05:06] amgine: i'm yuvipanda and can someone call me? [18:05:09] * GroggyPanda is groggy [18:08:29] dlemieux: What is your skype account name? There are, unfortunately, too many possibilities [18:08:38] amgine, GroggyPanda i am dale.lemieux [18:08:57] i am pfjhayes [18:09:02] i've an invite from amgine and dlemieux [18:09:40] apologies if i sound groggy [18:13:18] amgine: let's do IRC [18:13:20] skype too laggy [18:13:24] It's a little hard for me to hear, but not impossible [18:13:25] pfhayes: dlemieux sheaclare [18:13:29] i agree [18:13:43] yp [18:13:47] *yup! [18:13:52] hello everyone! [18:13:58] GroggyPanda: hi! [18:14:02] hey dlemieux pfhayes sheaclare :) [18:14:06] hello [18:14:07] Okay, let's move to #Wiktionary-mobile [18:14:40] GroggyPanda: #Wiktionary-Mobile [18:15:12] amgine: this being #wikimedia-mobile, I think this should stay here, no? [18:15:19] (as opposed to #wikipedia-mobile) [18:15:31] Tomasz wanted us not to disrupt this channel for standups. [18:16:10] amgine: hmm, this one gives us logging... [18:16:16] alright then [20:09:30] Project WiktionayMobile - Nightly builds build #3: SUCCESS in 7.4 sec: http://integration.mediawiki.org/ci/job/WiktionayMobile%20-%20Nightly%20builds/3/ [20:16:23] Project WiktionayMobile - Nightly builds build #4: SUCCESS in 9 sec: http://integration.mediawiki.org/ci/job/WiktionayMobile%20-%20Nightly%20builds/4/ [20:18:00] GroggyPanda, Amgine: when do you think we can expect to be able to move the WiktionaryMobile project to github.com/wikimedia? [20:18:35] It really depends on where Tomasz is. I think he's en route to India, so likely not until Monday. [20:18:42] he's en route to fosdem [20:18:46] and then en route to India [20:18:59] oh. joy. [20:19:45] You'll be at the hackathon, GroggyPanda? [20:20:00] yes but hopefully as YuviPanda [20:20:32] What? Daylight hours? you'll just jetlag yourself again. [20:20:38] [20:22:16] Amgine: am confused actually [20:22:19] it's ~2AM now [20:22:25] my *usual* schedule is 2PM to 5AM [20:22:39] but since it's a hackathon, i'd be expected to spend time during the day awake [20:22:42] so [20:22:47] i'll go sleep now [20:22:48] for reals [20:22:50] gnite everyone [20:23:01] [20:48:29] did i mss the meeting? i wasn't sure when that was [20:50:25] Yep, 'tsokay TonyC_ [20:51:04] I'm going to be sending a log of it via e-mail. [20:52:48] ahh sorry, its fridays 1300 EST right? [20:56:34] yep. [20:56:58] 1000 PST [20:57:28] Did you make any progress on identifying the sound files, TonyC_? [20:58:13] I found how to use phonegap's media class, so we wont have to use android specific functions and it will be in js like the rest [20:58:52] Cool. Do you know if the native Wiktionary js will interfere with that? [20:59:33] its fine, i had play an audio file from a url without issue so the next thing to do is to find url [21:00:39] as far as that goes, i have a few questions [21:00:53] go for it. [21:01:54] for example http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/welcome on this page, there are two examples of pronounciation [21:01:58] Here's the log, btw: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/UCOSP_Spring_2012/Standups/03_Feb [21:02:25] [21:02:51] but there is no link to either of them when the page loads, only when you go into (file) then find the link [21:03:29] Okay, if you look at the wikitax of that section, it looks like this: [21:03:30] ===Pronunciation=== [21:03:30] * {{IPA|/ˈwɛl.kəm/}}, {{SAMPA|/"welk@m/}} [21:03:30] * {{audio|en-us-welcome.ogg|Audio (US)}} [21:03:30] * {{audio|En-uk-welcome.ogg|Audio (UK)}} [21:03:48] The file names are in the {{audio| templates. [21:03:57] en-us-welcome.ogg [21:04:07] En-uk-welcome.ogg [21:04:28] The files are on http://commons.wikimedia.org [21:04:58] But to find the exact url you will need to run an api query, http://common.wikimedia.org/api.php [21:05:05] will they always be from commons.wikimedia? [21:05:16] Yes, I believe so. [21:05:37] [21:05:51] so if i listed only links from commons that are .ogg that would be all the pronounciations available [21:06:04] * MaxSem disagrees [21:06:27] MaxSem: they should be trackable via wiktionary's api.php too, right? [21:06:39] always retirieve image data from Wiktionary [21:06:56] Good idea. [21:07:06] otherwise fun will ensue for local images [21:07:44] Okay, we'll be using the local wiktionary, TonyC_, the api will be [language code].wiktionary.org/api.php [21:07:49] the files themselves are stored @ upload.wikimedia.org [21:07:59] Now let me figure out the api cantrip to get what we want. [21:08:13] Amgine, [language code].wiktionary.org/w/api.php [21:08:35] [21:08:52] whaddaya need? [21:09:06] full url of sound files. [21:09:29] so stuff like http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/5b/En-uk-welcome.ogg [21:10:22] the media class is quite powerful and can just take the url and handle loading/playing from there [21:11:21] here we go: /w/api.php?action=query&prop=imageinfo&format=json&iiprop=url&iilimit=1&titles=File%3AWiki.png [21:11:47]