[01:39:32] thoughts and comments: http://elohim.gaijin.com/glaucus/Glaucus-Anonymous.png [01:43:08] is the search icon necessary in this day and age? ;) [01:43:58] tappable button. [01:44:19] it creates an affordance for the user, even if the entire area is "hot" [01:44:30] people like targets for their fat little fingers. [01:44:36] like, mental affordance? [01:45:07] because the box says 'tap here' in modern image-language [01:45:33] i just keep thinking about full page search [01:45:57] well, the full screen search needs a button anyway. [01:46:05] maybe the button but not the box if you are never going to type in it [01:47:21] i like the language selector [02:45:43] I'm intrigued by how you have the infobox showing up first. Is that content-driven or front-end driven? [02:50:44] that's content driven. or, at least, thats how the mobile front end. [06:05:09] * yuvipanda waves [06:06:51] hi yuvipanda :) [06:07:08] someone's up late :P [06:07:15] it's only 10pm [06:07:32] not officially *late* [06:08:00] ah, right. my internal PST clock is out of sync from being unused for a while [07:25:54] yuvipanda, good morning [07:26:01] hello MaxSem! [07:26:04] good morning [07:26:06] still in Pune? [07:26:29] MaxSem: yes [07:26:37] but just waiting to cab out [07:26:51] going to merge in some pull requests, do some testing and ship a beta tonight :) [07:28:35] MaxSem: what did you want to talk about? [07:29:22] since you'll be the user of my API, wanted to consult you about how it should look [07:30:14] so, currently, there's api.php?action=parse&page=Foo&mobileformat=html [07:31:09] the question is whether you want JS-expandable sections by default [07:31:19] and what would that return, exactly? [07:31:25] just that api call with mobileformat=html? [07:31:53] yes, you'll get rendered page text (without UI) [07:32:34] with §ion=xxx you'll be able to retrieve just one section [07:38:04] MaxSem: ah [07:38:17] so by default it gives me everything? [07:38:21] or just a list of sections? [07:38:35] everything [07:38:38] and just HTML, no CSS/JS, right? [07:38:43] yup [07:38:51] it's still action=parse [07:39:02] you're just able to change its output [07:39:05] okay [07:39:15] so what do you mean by 'js expandable sections'? [07:40:20] https://nl.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Hypatia&useformat=mobile [07:41:24] you'll be able to retrieve the list of sections with prop=sections [07:41:24] well? that just looks like normal MF to me… [07:41:32] egg-zactly [07:41:51] and do you see sections collapsed by default? [07:42:08] yeah! [07:43:09] i'm still not following how this would affect action=parse. it's just going to return me plain HTML and i'll css it as I want, no? [07:43:30] i'm *assuming* the sections are all going to be clearly marked DIVs (or so) that are easily manipulatable [07:46:46] MaxSem: ^ [07:47:24] these buttons are in HTML, not generated by JS [07:47:56] so the question is whether you want them [07:48:15] aah [07:48:33] as long as the sections themselves are clearly identifiable from HTML structure, no buttons [07:48:40] in general, just content and no UI [07:49:22] aha [07:50:20] your opinion: should these buttons be there by defasult, or other way around? note that our app will not be the sole user of this API [07:50:37] my opinion is that the API should just give you content [07:51:13] with some semblance of structure so people can easily identify the sections/infoboxes/etc [07:51:22] instead of putting in UI elements there [08:45:26] Maxsem: missed anything? [08:45:36] nope [08:46:18] Ok [12:38:57] jdlrobson, yo [12:40:45] hey MaxSem [12:41:06] any luck with getting SVN access? [12:41:16] nope haven't had a reply [12:41:21] is that normal? [12:43:07] um, for a "normal" job, no. for Wikimedia, not sure. I had access for two years before switching from volunteer to contractor, so don't know if it's so for everyone [12:43:36] we could poke Sumana for status of this [12:44:15] i sent an e-mail on the 8th to commit-access-requests@wikimedia.org [12:44:34] jdlrobson: poke sumanah on IRC, should be faster as well [12:44:45] MaxSem: which of the many Russian Time zones are you in? [12:44:46] already poking [12:44:58] Moscow, UTC+4 [12:45:01] ah [12:45:01] okay [15:58:40] mobile-l is finally available through Gmane btw [16:00:17] a few mails are missing in their archive that were sent since I started the request and uploaded a concatenated mbox [19:27:00] jdlrobson, congrats on commit acccess [19:33:52] isn't it awesome when you end up in a city at midnight without knowing the language and no idea where to go? :D [19:35:52] Where are you, yuvi? [19:43:09] jdlrobson: Hi Jon, r u there? [19:44:16] Hello, major jon... [19:58:51] jorm: Mumbai [19:59:05] jorm: am at a sysadmin friend's place now though, so its all good :) [19:59:10] don't speak marathi? [19:59:16] jorm: nor Hindi [19:59:22] [19:59:37] doesn't most everyone speak english, though? [19:59:46] jorm: not everyone on the road [19:59:50] ah. [20:00:15] what are the languages where you live? [20:00:18] (curious) [20:00:23] jorm: Tamil [20:00:26] i'm starting to get an idea of the linguistic layout there. [20:00:28] ah. [20:00:56] jorm: am travelling with planemad [20:00:59] (Arun Ganesh) [20:01:10] so, there will never be a language problem as such [20:01:13] ah. [20:01:23] yeah. doesn't he know, like, ALL the languages? [20:01:31] supposedly [20:02:10] i'm yet to have him tell me 'nope, me and that person don't speak any common language' [20:06:31] it's also nice to have friends everywhere [20:06:46] pinged friend on IRC and a short while later I am at his house on his wifi [20:07:18] http://techcrunch.com/2012/02/14/the-number-of-mobile-devices-will-exceed-worlds-population-by-2012-other-shocking-figures/ [20:13:30] techcrunch.com just feels weird to me now [20:17:24] brion: around? [20:17:51] Hey philinje am now ... just sitting down for some dinner :) [20:18:13] yo [20:18:46] brion: so, is the page for building the iOS build 'complete'? [20:18:55] in theory [20:18:57] any problems? [20:19:15] i was getting problems with 'facebook.h' not found when I tried last time [20:19:19] but that was a few days ago [20:19:25] do you have a link to it handy? [20:19:35] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Mobile/PhoneGap/iOS_build_instructions ? [20:20:53] make sure you do the submodule stuff [20:21:12] brion: did so [20:21:32] but sharekit is giving me errors about missing facebook headers [20:21:37] and not building [20:21:51] let me try again though [20:21:55] did you do the submodule init/update again within that subdir? [20:22:03] sharekit has its own submodules [20:22:45] aaaahhh [20:22:45] okay [20:35:46] Anyone here have an answer for the question at https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User_talk:Preilly ? [20:35:58] re MobileFrontend [20:36:15] johnduhart: ^ maybe you could help [20:39:19] hi pfhayes [20:39:24] hello [20:39:28] how's it going? [20:39:39] good, you? [20:40:03] OK! https://test2.wikipedia.org/ we just deployed a new version of MediaWiki to a test site. You could test the MobileFrontend bit if you had a moment. [20:40:23] pfhayes: you already put in your Wikimania scholarship application? [20:40:33] sumanah: yes I did [20:40:35] great [20:41:12] i can't check the mediawiki test site right now because i have a class in a few minutes, but we are supposed to have a meeting today and you can bring it up there if you are available [20:41:31] pfhayes: oh, don't worry, the testing will still be necessary later today [20:41:41] oh, and pfhayes, you saw in my email I mentioned https://blog.wikimedia.org/2012/02/10/insights-from-mobile-user-experience-research/ - did you read it? [20:42:14] (I should let you get to your class) [20:42:59] i didn't get a chance to read it, but i will now before class [20:43:37] Sure. And the folks who did that research would be happy to talk with you as you design and write the Wiktionary app, to make sure you can make use of the usability research they did. [20:43:47] that's great [20:56:35] hi mdale [20:56:40] mdale: do you have a moment to chat? [21:09:38] jdlrobson: Hi Jon [21:20:31] sumanah: hello [21:20:39] how you doing? [21:21:10] I'm not bad, mdale, how are you? [21:21:42] doing ok .. whats up? [21:22:16] mdale: I'll pm, it's not really a mobile thing [21:22:23] ok [21:41:33] yuvipanda: hi, still there? [21:45:26] philinje: pong [21:49:01] hey, can you send the apk that is the version we released to Android Market? [21:56:31] philinje: as in? [21:56:40] you coulld just take that off the market... [22:01:55] we need the apk to send by email [22:02:29] we need to send the app by email [22:03:51] philinje: is there a particular reason? [22:08:17] Hello TonyC_, dlemieux [22:09:27] okay. i've updated http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Glaucus [22:09:39] i put in four new images, designed to show an anonymous user experience. [22:09:46] the other graphics are currently deprecated. [22:10:35] sweet [22:11:18] to me the search box feels like wasted space, i dunno [22:12:46] jorm: related; how is this meant to work on other sites? names & logos may not easily fit in that button space, unless we tune them [22:14:18] exhausted. I'm out. [22:14:29] gnite everyone. The beta will have to wait till tomorrow :| [22:14:31] gnight yuvipanda :) [22:14:46] we have to tune them, i think. [22:14:55] sent a mail explaining rationales for stuff. [22:15:14] * brion looks [22:15:15] i don't disagree about the wasted space. however, erik wants to preserve the anonymous experience as close as possible. [22:15:52] brion: any reason the search box [22:16:01] cannae be collapsible? [22:16:27] amgine: well we have a fullscreen search. the box you type into and interact with doesn't have to look anything like what you click on, necessarily [22:17:15] right. [22:17:20] once you click it, the interface changes. [22:17:27] it goes modal. [22:18:21] i do still like the language selector's look [22:18:27] pretty gradients :D [22:18:51] yeah. [22:19:04] i was happy with how that came out. [22:19:18] adding a shadow implies it's "over the content" but making the pokey larger shows it's directly related. [22:19:20] so are non-logged-in users unable to get at things like discussions, 'what links here', history, editing, etc? [22:19:46] not at this time, i don't think. [22:19:53] "kiss" i am told. [22:19:57] i'm not fond of that [22:20:04] me neither. [22:20:10] i think we need to surface that these things exist. [22:20:23] hiding features until you create a login means you won't think to make a login cause they don't exist as far as you know [22:20:31] but i also agree that until we know how to handle those things, there's not much value in doing it. [22:20:39] especially when they don't require logins for any reason [22:20:56] i expect that this is going to be a step one, and we'll end up with a more modal system that includes stuff like discussion later. [22:21:06] seems like the previous mockups were find for non-logged-in [22:21:10] *fine for [22:21:20] i'm a bit confused by the new ones [22:22:40] they're minimalist. [22:23:17] as a step up from the current interface it's ok, it just lacks what it needs to be a small-screen interface for mediawiki :) [22:23:36] it remains a simple 'reader's interface' [22:23:43] Okay in 5 minutes or so, the Wiktionary team will be having standups in #Wiktionary-mobile. [22:24:26] [22:36:42] oops sorry [22:48:54] hi sheaclare [22:49:02] join #Wiktionary-mobile ? [22:49:02] hi sumanah [22:49:16] sumanah: ahh! ok! [22:51:51] brion: hi there [22:54:17] hi [22:55:27] any chance you have the lsat released apk? [22:56:04] philinje: I noticed you never answered yuvi :-) [22:56:17] philinje: like, why it needs to be sent to someone via email :-) [22:56:56] it has to be sent to a carrier [22:57:32] nope, i assume tfinc uploaded it? [22:58:04] ok - yes, Tomasz would have it but he is on vacation [22:58:06] i don't have the right signing keys so i can't make a new one for you :( [22:58:08] d'oh [22:58:16] no problem, thanks [22:58:36] good luck :) [22:59:51] jorm: Yuvi was going to break up the sprite sheet for icons for the wiktionary project, to allow easier icon contexting. Do you know what the status of that is? how we can change the look? [23:00:21] amgine: for now you can probably get away with changing parts of the sprite sheet [23:00:30] wiktionary mobile? [23:00:50] Brion: we don't have anyone with expertise to do so. [23:00:58] Got tutorial? [23:01:06] well, just don't move anything outside the piece you're editing ;) [23:01:36] leave the rest of the image intact and it should be fine [23:01:48] Okay, I'll see what we can do with that. [23:01:54] :) [23:18:05] * jorm takes a decongestant; prepares to be assaulted by the Nap Monster. [23:23:51] i can help with images and breaking up sprites if anyone needs anything [23:26:21] heatherw: dlemieux will love you forever. [23:27:28] just let me know what you need [23:27:41] hurray for love! [23:28:34] Well, we have a few icons to update to make a Wiktionary-context version of the app. [23:29:49] Hey heatherw, I am the one working on the sprite sheet [23:30:52] hi dlemieux [23:31:35] So I have the spritesheet here, and it has the Wikipedia 'W' in one of the locations, and we pretty much just want to put in a more appropriate image for Wiktionary [23:32:15] you can post it or send it to me, or whatever [23:32:24] hwalls@wikimedia [23:32:31] Okay, I will send it now :) [23:43:20] heatherw, sorry, what is the end of your email address? I tried .com and it failed so I just want to be clear before guessing .org haha [23:43:34] sorry! .org [23:43:54] okay thanks! [23:45:46] Where does the mobile team do its bugtracking for its apps? Bugzilla or github or something? [23:45:58] philinje: ^^^ [23:46:23] sumanah: bugzilla [23:46:34] 'Wikimedia Mobile' [23:46:48] ok [23:47:02] The wiktionary team is awaiting a sub-section of that. [23:47:29] ahhhhh [23:47:40] amgine: you can ask hexmode to make one [23:47:52] Hexmode: ^ [23:48:19] what is the current logo, dlemieux? [23:50:10] amgine: i added one for ya [23:50:18] so you need/want a default assignee or cc? [23:51:53] heatherw: It should be arriving by email any second [23:52:15] :) thanks! [23:54:26] would it be okay if i change this a little? i don't want to offend anyone