[00:15:49] we need to fill 10 more vps to pay for a full fail-over backup system. [00:47:39] http://svn.wikimedia.org/svnroot/mediawiki/trunk/mockups/lang-selector/index.html a quick test [00:47:49] seems crazy? or useful? [00:50:24] ++ brion! [00:53:37] i keep looking at this stuff and just feeling like it's too complicated https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Universal_Language_Selector_Mobile [00:56:41] ah somebody posted a link to http://www.gpaumier.org/blog/628_universal-language-picker/ [00:58:39] * aude waves [01:03:34] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Talk:Universal_Language_Selector_Mobile#Universal_Language_Picker added notes [01:04:10] brion: i have some offtopic questions, when you have a minute [01:05:21] important but offtopic [01:11:19] aude, go ahead and ask i'll see if i can answer [01:11:36] brion: ok! [01:12:08] i'm in charge of wikimania sponsorships, and we're asking companies like wikihow [01:12:31] * aude wonders if status.net is in position to be a sponsor? [01:13:01] and if you have any other suggestions? maybe phonegap? [01:13:38] status.net is probably not in any position to sponsor [01:14:03] brion: ok [01:14:04] phonegap is now kinda split between the apache-based project and whatever adobe holds..... would be interesting to contact [01:14:17] mabye wikitravel.... don't know how to conac [01:14:18] probably tfinc can help get in touch with someone appropriate at adobe to ask [01:14:23] contact [01:14:33] hmmm..... adobe [01:14:46] wikitravel's with Internet Brands these days, and apparently having some issues betweeen their userbase and their host/owners :P [01:14:50] life is hard :) [01:14:58] ah, .... :/ [01:15:11] some of our folks did a preso at adobe about our phonegap stuff a few weeks ago [01:15:13] * aude hasn't edited wikitravel in a long while [01:15:28] yeah there's talk of forking etc. we'll see what happens [01:15:29] phonegap got bought by adobe? [01:15:32] yep [01:15:35] ok [01:15:49] evil necessity that we have to pay for wikimania :/ [01:16:06] we do know people at twitter, oh and facebook [01:16:36] * aude wonders the best way to contact domas [01:18:08] * aude doesn't know if there are any db dumps of wikitravel [01:18:49] http://wikitravel.org/en/Wikitravel:Database_dump looks evil [01:19:58] yeah rumor is they'll need to reconstruct from manual xml dumps [01:20:07] grumble grumble [01:20:13] unless they can work details out [01:20:25] :( [01:20:52] well, hopefully wikihow will be kind [01:21:03] * aude thinks jack is nice [01:21:25] they're good people :) [01:21:44] i don't want to take more of your time [01:22:05] kul may behelping us [01:26:20] good luck :D [01:26:32] bout time for me to run off, catch ya laters [01:27:29] good night! [07:14:47] names [07:15:05] sorry that should have been type with a / ^ [14:18:29] MaxSem: ping [14:18:36] pong [14:18:56] MaxSem: is the mobile API ready to use for loading page sections? [14:19:38] e.g., could I ask jdlrobson to start thinking about integrating it with the show/hide button [14:19:59] in theory, it should. in practice, would be great if someone tried using it:) [14:20:17] so, yes - Jon can start looking at it [14:20:20] well, this might be a good first test [14:20:27] okay, cool [14:20:28] thanks! [14:20:34] it's live on http://mobile-geo.wmflabs.org/w/ [14:21:14] MaxSem: okay, great [16:56:28] jdlrobson: how's it going? [16:56:37] hey preilly [16:56:45] not too bad - assuming you've seen my flurry of commits [16:59:03] jdlrobson: yeah [17:00:49] btw the mobile site doesn't quite work in older versions of IE is that a known bug? Do we plan to support old IE's with the mobile site? [17:04:22] do we plan to *seriously* support non-mobile browsers? :P [17:07:47] that's what I'd like to know... hence why I've been interesting in mobile usage browsers.. as I guess some people in countries with low bandwidth might feasibly want to use the mobile site on something horrible like ie7 [17:10:03] jdlrobson: no [17:10:21] in which case the easiest/kindest thing to do would be in the case of ie < 10 to just not run the javascript at all - at least that way the page doesn't break [17:11:53] jdlrobson: good idea [17:41:35] preilly: you around? [17:42:04] hey tfinc! Welcome back! [17:42:09] jdlrobson: yo! [17:42:15] is there a preilly hiding out with you? [17:42:23] i'm trying to track him down for something today [17:42:31] jdlrobson: how goes it? [17:42:32] not right now as I'm in Rekyjavik and he's in London [17:42:47] he was last sighted here at 17:11 [17:42:54] so he should still be around [17:42:56] lolz [17:42:57] ok [17:43:48] jdlrobson: what does preilly have you on right now ? [17:43:58] I'm refactoring MobileFrontend [17:44:03] jdlrobson: spiffy [17:44:03] (extension) [17:44:11] tfinc: yes [17:44:17] tfinc: I was on the phone (sorry) [17:44:30] preilly: excellent. will you be able to join amit, kul, and me to talk zero deployment plan this PST morning ? [17:44:33] post stand up [17:44:55] tfinc: I gave Kul my Skype id for it a few minutes ago [17:45:00] preilly: excellent [17:45:31] preilly: jdlrobson yuvipanda MaxSem have you guys still been doing the stand ups MWF ? [17:45:46] it was bit hard to tell over email if they were still happening [17:45:56] tfinc: we didn't do Friday [17:45:59] mostly [17:46:01] ok [17:46:04] tfinc: and Monday was a holiday [17:46:20] tfinc: me, phil, max did friday as well though [17:46:37] then lets get back on track today so that everyone knows where everyone else is [17:46:41] yuvipanda: ok [17:46:43] tfinc: we === me a jdlrobson for Friday [17:46:59] yuvipanda: did you manage to sync up with amir about the maps issues he was seeing? [17:47:20] tfinc: not with amir, did with brion (flickering fixed) [17:48:10] preilly: whats your Skype id ? [17:49:24] tfinc: it's preillyme [17:49:30] awjr: howdy [17:49:58] preilly: yo [17:50:04] how's it going? [17:50:11] awjr: I gave you a fixme [17:50:39] jerk [17:50:47] awjr: on http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/112056 it is just a missing space [17:51:03] awjr: yeah, sorry — didn't mean to be a jerk it sort of just happened [17:51:51] heh no worries [17:52:03] awjr: maybe I should open this place http://i.imgur.com/qVCCf.jpg in SF [17:52:22] hahahaha what happened to the driving-in-india simmulation? [17:52:44] awjr: that would be a really fun game [17:54:37] hehe simulation [17:58:24] yuvipanda: do we have our where is yuvi game? [17:58:37] tfinc: not yet :D [17:58:40] standup in 2min [17:59:04] not waiting for Phil? [17:59:44] tfinc: http://yuvi.in/where.html [17:59:45] here he is [17:59:52] he just came in [18:00:28] ok .. let me spin up Skype here [18:00:30] yuvipanda: ha ha ha [18:01:00] preilly: :D [18:01:29] "Call on hold" [18:01:30] hey philinje [18:02:42] preilly: MaxSem can you hear us? [18:02:47] nooo [18:02:55] no [18:02:55] call on hold [18:03:00] held remotely [18:11:35] I've already received a question from a user when the new API will go live [18:11:44] awjr: do you have any spare cycles to look at an issue with search for me? [18:12:08] MaxSem: probably safe to say second week of next month at the latest [18:14:16] heh [18:14:45] do we have estimates of how often will people retrieve separate sections? [18:15:00] not really at this time [18:15:08] to the best of my knowledge [18:15:21] tfinc: poke [18:15:51] been developing on the simulator so far, looks like you need to add me to a group or something to actually let me deploy to the device? [18:15:54] * MaxSem is worried that per-section parse may be inefficient, needs further investigation [18:15:56] or atleast send me the provisioning keys [18:17:40] blobaugh: poke [18:17:44] is the win7 code up on gihub somewhere? [18:18:05] awjr: ping [18:18:23] MaxSem: noted [18:18:26] preilly: pong [18:18:38] awjr: do you see my earlier question? [18:18:47] preilly: just saw it - im happy to take a quick look [18:18:49] what's going on? [18:19:00] awjr: Request URL:http://en.m.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Search&search=test [18:19:10] awjr: Request Method:GET Status Code:302 Found [18:19:19] awjr: the 302 redirects to the non mobile site [18:19:30] o [18:19:53] hey aharoni [18:19:59] preilly: i'll dig a bit. [18:20:05] awjr: but, if they are on a mobile device the non mobile redirects them back to mobile [18:20:13] wtf [18:20:19] awjr: but, we should fix the 302 to work correctly [18:20:25] aye [18:23:01] preilly: what's weird is if you type 'test' into the search box, 'test' is not one of the suggested results - when you hit enter or hit the search button, it takes you to en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Test. i tried the same thing with the search term 'bananas', which yielded to no exact search suggestion. hitting enter took me to the 'banana' article on the non-mobile site as well. [18:23:36] awjr: well, that is another issue [18:23:45] awjr: but, equally troubling [18:23:56] preilly: it's not the same problem? [18:24:58] oh, I thought you were just saying the lack of search suggestions [18:25:09] but, the 302 to non mobile is the issue that I'm after [18:25:17] * yuvipanda pokes aharoni [18:25:19] I think we may need to hook the 302 [18:25:26] in Special:Search [18:25:51] sort of like we do with the canonical redirect stuff [18:25:51] oh yeah, the search suggestions is also weird. but it seems just hitting enter in the search box on the mobile site after entering a search term takes you to the non-mobile site [18:26:22] yeah, it is 302'ing you away from mobile if there is a match [18:26:26] search test2 [18:26:30] and it won't 302 [18:26:50] yup [18:27:08] ok back [18:27:10] yuvipanda: sup [18:27:33] preilly: i think i understand the issue - i need to wrap up an email and then i'll poke code. [18:27:44] sweet [18:28:08] tfinc: I think you need to send me apple blessed keys before I can deploy to my device [18:28:30] * yuvipanda pokes aharoni some more [18:29:08] yuvipanda: ahh [18:29:08] ok [18:29:20] * tfinc pulls up the dev portal [18:29:38] yuvipanda: does tfinc have your device UUID? [18:29:44] preilly: yes he does [18:29:44] preilly: i do [18:46:16] * aharoni was cooking pasta [18:46:41] so [18:46:47] aharoni: me and planemad have two oranges between us for the night, and have to split that up :) [18:46:48] so [18:46:48] maps [18:47:05] haven't touched the app much for a few days. [18:47:11] i should probably install a nightly build. [18:47:17] * aharoni waves at awjr [18:47:25] * awjr waves back [18:47:26] aharoni: nightlies are 'down' [18:47:28] for a while [18:47:30] let me get you an apk [18:49:32] aharoni: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/8768784/WikipediaActivity-debug.apk [18:51:18] * yuvipanda pokes aharoni [18:53:31] * tfinc getting delayed by a meeting [18:54:22] aharoni: yo! [18:54:36] aharoni: besides WP .. any other good cyrillic reference ? [18:54:50] * tfinc wants to learn how to read russian [18:54:51] :D [18:57:15] * aharoni smiles in joy at tfinc [18:57:21] :D [18:57:22] * MaxSem admits that he's a reference, too [18:57:28] oh yes [18:57:40] same question to you MaxSem :D [18:58:04] I learned it in kindergarten, y'know [18:58:07] lolz [18:58:15] hmm, sumanah [18:58:54] I now know half the hindi numerical characters [18:58:58] more than half, infact :) [18:59:11] * aharoni is downloading the apk [18:59:46] (while listening to Genesis' "A Trick of the Tail" on vinyl) [19:00:10] * yuvipanda is listening to random sounds from MusicForProgrammin [19:00:10] g [19:03:35] tfinc, http://lib.ru/ADAMS/rhit1.txt [19:06:28] [WikipediaMobile] Nikerabbit pushed 2 new commits to master: http://git.io/AHsjjA [19:06:28] [WikipediaMobile/master] Translation updates from translatewiki.net - Niklas Laxström [19:06:28] [WikipediaMobile/master] Merge branch 'master' of github.com:wikimedia/WikipediaMobile - Niklas Laxström [19:06:32] aharoni: nice! [19:06:45] * tfinc loves douglas adams [19:07:21] who doesn't? [19:15:04] * yuvipanda pokes aharoni [19:15:23] * aharoni is installing [19:15:37] beh, not installed. [19:15:48] i probably have to uninstall first [19:16:52] yep. [19:21:03] ok, so first of all, it doesn't even seem to try to find my location. [19:21:28] it focuses at 0,0, near Equatorial Guinea. [19:21:45] and the GPS icon is not turned on. [19:22:06] if i open the Google Maps app, it turns GPS on immediately and finds my location after a few seconds. [19:23:11] aharoni: ok [19:24:54] aharoni: okay, I can repro that. Just fixed it. [19:25:21] hmm im not getting search results properly with a local instance of mobile frontend - i wonder if i have something misconfigured or if there's something wonky in trunk [19:25:55] johnduhart: is search working properly for you locally in MF at trunk? [19:26:59] MaxSem ^? [19:27:08] can anyone remind me of an example of geonames query? [19:27:13] looking [19:27:54] [WikipediaMobile] yuvipanda pushed 1 new commit to master: http://git.io/LJfOuA [19:27:54] [WikipediaMobile/master] Actually use the GPS for nearby view - YuviPanda [19:29:53] ha! Was i really the first one who noticed it? :) [19:30:17] aharoni: yes. [19:30:27] i test it with GPS off, so never noticed it [19:30:28] hmm, I keep getting "no results" [19:30:38] MaxSem: with search? [19:30:52] when typing something in the search bar [19:31:08] yeah same. i wonder if something went wonky in trunk. [19:31:19] JS? [19:31:34] * MaxSem eyes jdlrobson who's not here [19:31:41] i would guess so [19:32:04] this makes it hard to hunt down the search issue patrick was asking about :P [19:34:14] that's what I love refactorings for XD [19:34:34] MaxSem: indeed - i'm seeing javascript errors [19:36:51] yuvipanda, can you give me an example geonames query? [19:37:33] MaxSem: sure [19:37:36] gimme a moment [19:38:24] Request URL:http://ws.geonames.net/findNearbyWikipediaJSON?formatted=true&lat=18.5709210561536&lng=73.68427276611328&username=wikimedia&lang=en [19:38:26] MaxSem: [19:38:54] thanks [19:40:25] aharoni: what that probably means is that we need to find a bigger avenue of testers [19:40:35] tfinc: what do you think of emailing wikitech-l as well with our next beta announcement? [19:41:07] i'm really surprised that people aren't immediately checking the most curious and unique feature of the app. [19:41:37] aharoni: once 1.1 is out, i'd want to figure otu a way to do firefox type testing [19:41:46] with an 'aurora' type build [19:41:59] yuvipanda: do it [19:42:08] i'd love to see more of them get invovlved [19:42:09] oh yes :) [19:42:21] plus post refactor its a really good time for new devs to get involved [19:42:38] and if someone says it sucks we can point them to the download stats and reviews :D [19:42:47] tfinc: we should also start doing 1.2 planning [19:42:54] philinje: ---^ [19:43:31] MaxSem: i think the search API might be busted in trunk, it doesn't appear to be obeying the 'format' param [19:43:54] yuvipanda: did you get my apple developer invite ? [19:44:15] tfinc: yes just did [19:44:31] yuvipanda: that should give you access to the certs you need [19:44:35] let me know if you have any trouble [19:44:37] tfinc: thanks! [19:44:51] re: Android v1.2, we need to decide on the features that make sense out of the bigger list of potential features [19:44:54] interesting that apple has an invalid https certificate [19:45:04] yuvipanda: lolz [19:45:13] philinje: first would be UI work so that we have a place to put new things in [19:45:22] lets fix languages! [19:45:24] :D [19:45:28] * tfinc is biased [19:45:34] OH SHI~ [19:45:52] but OpenSearch was forced into JSON aeons ago [19:46:05] damn, our release cycle sucks [19:46:42] UI, languages, and nearby were the main categories, also some misc stuff like disable images [19:46:43] * yuvipanda was reminded of how awesome JSON is a while ago when he was working with OSM's XML only API [19:47:31] this mosquito I just killed easily had enough blood for 4-5 full drops [19:47:38] i've blood on my hands [19:47:47] yuvipanda, JSON sucks for non-latin content [19:48:44] yuvipanda: i only read your last line and thought you were talking about iOS development :D [19:49:01] tfinc: :D [19:49:04] that too [19:50:19] i'll pull some features into a proposed v1.2 list on the Features page [19:50:57] philinje: okay [19:51:02] philinje: yeah, do a provisional .. then we can talk about it [20:13:13] yuvipanda, excerpts of which length do you want? [20:13:28] configurable, hopefully? :) [20:13:55] yes [20:14:06] as in, configurable per request [20:14:16] yes x2 [20:14:17] api param [20:14:53] MaxSem: cool! then what number exactly do you want from me now? [20:15:29] the number you intend to send me:) I need to figure out some caching strategies [20:16:25] e.g. whether I want to make length granular to say 50 chars and cache aggressively [20:16:36] or I can trim and tidy on the fly [20:25:44] MaxSem: ah [20:25:57] well, it's not going to be *very* fine [20:26:26] if 64-aligned lengths provide a good perf boost, should be okay [20:27:15] currently, geonames returns ~240 chars. it it okay with you? do you want to increase/decrease this number? [20:27:50] it currently is okay [20:31:33] yuvipanda: I see you're more important than everyone else then based on the android wp app credits? :p [20:32:07] Reedy: :P [20:32:15] Reedy: blame thedj [20:32:28] lol [20:32:28] Blame The DJ (new band name) [20:33:38] * Reedy eyes yuvipanda [20:34:01] * yuvipanda eyes thedj [20:46:56] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ke2GSpIUPhw [20:47:24] (no clue what it is, just matches the search pattern Blame the DJ [20:50:06] eww, bieber - that was worse than rickroll. gotta wipe it out with some nice death metal [20:51:54] yummy! http://youtu.be/CGOHk2J4jV4 [20:55:48] No Flash, no pain. [20:59:10] flash needs to die [21:00:17] first cut of saved pages on iOS works! [21:00:20] woohoo! [21:00:23] woot! [21:00:29] yuvipanda: are you able to test on device now ? [21:00:35] tfinc: device charging [21:00:39] k [21:03:48] yuvipanda, do you want to receive excerpts all at once or load them on demand? [21:04:09] all at once is how we do that now [21:04:15] all at once would be faster [21:04:21] +1 [21:04:31] we have to build this for speed [21:04:44] MaxSem: but remember, we're not goign to be the *only* consumer of this, so don't limit yourself to just our usecases [21:05:10] I'm not [21:05:43] though since we will spearhead the use of this API anyway... [21:05:46] * tfinc fires up the android emu to see what Wiktionary mobile looks like [21:06:03] * tfinc watches his battery drain [21:09:23] tfinc: those guys are mostly on Spring Break [21:09:31] slackers [21:09:37] Amgine set them up on feature freeze and they're due a beta on Monday [21:09:46] Amgine: want to brief tfinc on how the mid-terms went? [21:10:29] okay [21:10:37] disconnecting to deprive ios emulator of internet [21:10:38] wait [21:10:41] gottabe a better way [21:11:11] tfinc: pm? [21:11:16] hmm? [21:11:34] well, whadaya know. to deprive the simulator of the internet i've to deprive me of it too [21:11:35] sigh [21:11:36] brb [21:11:42] Is generally uncool to talk about someone's grades in channel. [21:12:33] sure, pm me [21:18:42] on the other side of the internet blackout, alive and well :) [21:18:49] saved pages seem to work, sans images. [21:18:53] let me go fix/try-to-fix that [21:19:34] brion: iOS *really* doesn't tell you of any errors AT ALL? [21:19:37] or am I missing something? [21:19:38] yuvipanda: where does the quick search string under the app name come from? i thought it was res/values/strings.xml / search description [21:19:43] but i'm not seeing it update after i change it [21:19:59] which one? [21:20:13] the text you see after you go to configure your quick searches [21:20:17] right under the app name [21:20:49] i wanted to change to this [21:20:59] - Wikipedia app [21:21:00] + Article name and text [21:21:43] tfinc: hmm, let me try [21:22:18] interesting, if I change it it just stops showing [21:22:27] i got it [21:22:31] had to do a clean first [21:22:34] ah [21:22:35] okay [21:22:42] the turn-it-off-and-on trick :) [21:22:50] i hate doing it [21:23:29] yuvipanda: how do we localize this string? [21:24:13] tfinc: hmm, same way the app name is being localized... [21:24:25] i'm not sure how! [21:24:44] btw: brion had a language typeahead [21:25:07] git tells me brion last committed the app name in other languages [21:25:11] * yuvipanda looks at brion [21:25:26] yuvipanda: our app name doesn't get localized [21:25:28] i just tried it [21:25:37] tfinc: as in it doesn't get pulled into TW? [21:25:56] as in i don't see it update when i change my locale [21:26:39] [WikipediaMobile] flyingclimber pushed 1 new commit to master: http://git.io/LNFuRw [21:26:39] [WikipediaMobile/master] Updating search description - Tomasz Finc [21:26:55] tfinc: i saw it change in your phone [21:26:58] and in aharoni's phone [21:27:18] do the other apps change name? [21:27:30] yeah, it works on mine it [21:27:38] maybe its just the emu thats screwed up [21:27:55] BTW, yuvipanda, make sure that GPS is turned off when the app is done with it. [21:28:05] IIRC, it was the most reported issue in 1.0 [21:28:12] aharoni: hehe, yes. [21:28:15] aharoni: we fixed that the very next day ;) [21:28:18] in that case, we were constantly updating user's location [21:28:33] my psychic debugging skills are getting used up in iOS [21:28:38] lolz [21:28:43] it doesn't report anything other than my console.logs [21:28:45] NOT EVEN JS ERRORS [21:28:52] yuvipanda: not even in the debugger ? [21:29:06] yuvipanda, can you build me an apk in which GPS and OSM work? [21:29:06] so it's 'place a console.log here, then hunt around trying to figure out where the bug is' [21:29:12] aharoni: yes [21:29:31] [i probably should get used to git pull and build right away. but not today] [21:29:41] aharoni: its pretty easy to do [21:30:14] aharoni: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/8768784/WikipediaActivity-debug.apk [21:30:24] yeah, now that we don't need eclipse [21:33:54] aharoni: got it? [21:35:57] yep - better: [21:36:12] now the location is found after a few seconds, like in Google Maps. [21:36:25] and i see markers with articles in the right places. [21:36:26] BUT [21:37:05] when i tap a marker, a little window opens, with the correct Hebrew title of a place nearby, [21:37:45] that's my mobile, am still here [21:38:22]