[00:00:22] can any of you try to poke the OSM folks to get this bug fixed: [00:00:29] https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=34201 [00:01:00] it's the most significant RTL bug in the app, and there's probably a fix for it upstream. [00:01:43] I found their dev channel a week or two ago... [00:03:43] hullo kul [00:04:05] aharoni: irc://irc.oftc.net/osm [00:04:16] hey hey ;) [00:04:47] * aharoni waves at Kul [00:05:08] * kul wave at aharoni [00:05:32] aharoni: also https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Contact#IRC [00:05:37] xmpp if you use that. [00:11:40] Why does Mobile Aps have a "Wikimedia" component.... [00:11:51] shouldn't it be wikipedia? [00:12:16] Reedy: i actually hate that whole new layout [00:12:17] http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/mobile-l/2012-February/005364.html [00:12:22] There's been discussion about that on the list. [00:12:53] [00:13:36] First time I'd noticed it [00:13:56] At least it's not just me :D [00:14:04] Reedy: what do you think about my pitch about how to reorganize ? [00:14:45] Reedy: feel free to respond on the list too [00:15:57] Somewhat annoying that bugzilla doesn't have an extra level of categorisation [00:16:11] i didn't notice that they replied to me there: http://trac.openstreetmap.org/ticket/1515 [00:16:18] ie "mobile" as the most generic group, etc [00:16:23] can Wikimedia update Mapnik? [00:16:40] where's it installed? [00:17:13] i don't know, that's what they replied. [00:17:28] lol [00:17:39] the same bug makes RTL place names break in both our Android app and openstreetmap.org. [00:18:05] can anybody come to irc://irc.oftc.net/osm ? [00:18:11] they are asking me hard questions there. [00:18:15] aharoni: i cant [00:18:19] in a meeting already [00:18:19] i'm already in there [00:18:31] Dop we have our own OSM servers yet? [00:18:45] Reedy: we do not. were using map quest tiles for now [00:19:03] ok, so aharoni so for us at the moment, it's nothing we can fix [00:19:55] hell yeah, insecure content on a secure page [00:20:36] It would seem there are numerous conversations also going on in ther [00:22:20] aharoni: i guess that means someone needs to contact mapquest... [00:22:28] Reedy: thoughts on my re-org of the components ? [00:23:40] tfinc: seems rather sane. Usage of the apps is only going to increase, meaning more bugs/enhancements. Might aswell get it organised now, even if you have a "general" esk component for the unspecifics [00:26:49] esk? [00:27:31] aharoni: If I understood that correctly, the mapnik patch has been applied since Octoboer, yes? [00:31:08] if i understand correctly, it was fixed in mapnik, but not deployed to openstreetmap.org or mapquest.com [00:35:38] I just had an evil thought: if each wp mobile were to render a tile or two for every map load, and upload it ala Tiles@Home... [00:35:58] Amgine: esk is like [00:36:27] -esque... got it. [00:38:52] Amgine: Distributed rendering is very inefficient, as most of the problem is obtaining the data and moving it back. [00:39:34] Yah. Sigh. Another fun evilness shot down by cold facts. [00:43:28] What tiles are we using? Mapquest? [00:44:00] brion? [00:44:22] aharoni: there is no problems with the OSM tiles or the MQ tiles, what map did you use? [00:52:31] Amgine, currently mapquest yes [00:52:36] they're OSM-based tiles [00:52:42] just from their servers [01:20:18] brion: Apparently the issue is fixed in mapnik upstream, which has been applied at OSM but not (we think) at mapquest. Yet. [01:32:29] *nod* [01:32:35] we'll def get it fixed when we move to our own tiles [01:32:40] dunno if we can get it fixed before that [01:32:57] I love how we sort of p0wn the top of #mapnik: Amgine, apmon, aude... but we're not talkiing there. [01:33:06] hehe [01:34:03] I'm really curious about setting up a tool to render tiles... May just do it on one of our currently unused vps... [01:34:21] brion: What is the status of the tileserver? Any timeframe of it? [01:34:43] it was definitely waiting on gluster setup on wikimedia labs for storage [01:34:52] i hear tell those machines are in so that might be coming soon [01:35:03] Will it also take over from the toolserver for serving the tiles from wikipedia? [01:35:21] yes, that's the plan [01:35:32] and as we add more mapping features we can then have a single place to pull our tiles from yay! [01:36:22] ok i'm heading out, catch y'all later [01:36:53] OK, then I'll probably not spend too much more time on trying to improve the toolserver setup, and just keep it running till then [09:52:52] thanks yuvipanda [09:53:21] GerardM-: thanks for writing that. I'm going to assume you're going to forward that to appropriate lists? [09:54:56] i never post on lists when I have blogged [09:55:05] eh almost never [09:55:24] GerardM-: then i'll forward this :) [09:55:40] that does make me happy [14:28:23] /clear [15:13:33] jdlrobson: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1491190 [15:21:03] * aude waves [15:24:46] * yuvipanda waves at aude [15:25:21] * aude is eager to get into labs [15:27:02] aude: am/was working offtime on a simple OSM POI editor [15:27:51] primarily for use on the mobile [15:28:30] yuvipanda: like the mapzen app? [15:28:36] yes but actually works :P [15:28:54] unlike mapzen [15:29:18] aude: a slightly older version is up at http://yuvi.in/POIOSM [15:29:23] access from any webkit browser [15:29:31] jdlrobson, regarding https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/112208 - you still need divs around section content, right? I think I'll just make them always available [15:30:17] yuvipanda: nice :) [15:31:03] you mean div with class content_block MaxSem? [15:32:43] yes [15:35:09] yeh I don't see why not. [15:41:13] preilly, what's the idea behind sections not being collapsed if search field is not empty? [15:47:38] jdlrobson: svn.wikimedia.org/svnroot/mediawiki/trunk/tools/code-utils [15:56:12] MaxSem any idea why when i run tests in phpunit 3 of them in MobileFormatterTest fail but they don't for preilly? [15:56:40] ouch [15:57:14] two fail for me now [15:57:20] strings not equal? [15:57:27] yup [15:57:46] stray \r [15:58:03] fuck you, Bill Fucking Gates! [15:59:06] are you on Windows, jdlrobson? [15:59:39] Why would I be on Windows? :) [16:00:19] then where've you got these \r's [16:00:20] ? [16:01:02] * jdlrobson shrugs [16:03:43] which file has them? [16:05:07] all of them on some platforms, due to svn:eol-style [16:06:08] now there's just ExtMobileFrontendTest::testDisableCaching failing for me [16:06:24] jdlrobson, try svn up [16:06:44] MaxSem: svn up [16:07:13] whee [16:08:09] gotta ask hashar to add out tests to Jenkins [16:10:10] still getting failures MaxSem :( [16:10:25] what it says? [16:11:00] http://pastebin.com/yYXp0Z6W [16:12:43] wtf? libxml fail? [16:13:29] * MaxSem fires up VirtualBox [16:39:57] MaxSem any revelations? [16:40:14] investigating [17:23:35] MaxSem: shouldn't https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/112190 line 43 be $pOut not $pout [17:23:45] greetings all [17:23:55] greetings [17:23:56] jdlrobson: check your pm [17:24:09] preilly: thanks for the list [17:24:14] np [17:29:45] anyone seen yuvi ? [17:29:55] thedj: you around ? [17:30:29] tfinc: yuvi last seen at 3:29pm GMT [17:30:44] tfinc: so, like two hours ago [17:30:57] i'm curious to see how the betas are lining up for today [17:31:00] preilly, that looks like Hungarian notation :P [17:31:02] guessing he's just moving locations [17:31:35] MaxSem: but, isn't that correct? [17:34:24] can someone review this: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/112209 [17:35:39] ok'd [17:35:50] MaxSem: thanks! [17:36:31] preilly: Kul and Amit are telling us that a J2ME app is coming up in all of their recent discussions [17:36:37] specifically for S40 [17:36:47] do you have any contractors/firms that you would trust for it ? [17:36:49] tfinc: yeah, I can imagine [17:37:10] i mailed to wikitech and mobile-l but only got a trickle of response [17:39:32] tfinc: maybe art & logic [17:39:46] http://www.artlogic.com/ ? [17:39:56] yeah [17:40:04] what projects have you done with them in the past? [17:40:16] and have they ever done open source dev ? [17:40:42] one of their founders was a core php developer [17:43:39] Kevin Tatroe [17:43:49] I've used them a couple of times in the past [17:44:08] they are actually pretty inexpensive and do nice work [17:44:36] but, I've never used them for J2ME [17:46:23] ok. i'll reach out to them [17:46:39] yeah, just not sure about the J2ME part [17:46:43] preilly: how would you feel about over seeing the J2ME project ? [17:46:52] fine by me [17:49:00] jdlrobson: http://mobile-feeds.wmflabs.org/w/index.php/Main_Page [17:54:11] Stuck in traffic [17:54:49] yuvipanda: ahh ok [17:54:58] yuvipanda: so your in mumbai then ? [17:55:00] ;) [17:55:16] * tfinc goes to check http://yuvi.in/where.html [17:55:17] yup [17:57:51] tfinc: can you possibly add me to the github wikimedia team ? [17:58:14] https://github.com/wikimedia [17:58:20] my account is … hashar ;-D [17:58:36] hashar: what code are you planning on working on ? [17:58:55] oh yeah the reason, sorry [17:59:01] MaxSem: Can we customize number of day that feeds created by featuredFeed show ? For wiki that update content each week, the feed is pretty empty : https://fr.wikisource.org/w/api.php?action=featuredfeed&feed=featuredtexts&feedformat=atom [17:59:40] tfinc: the mobile nightly builds have been broken since Feb 13th. I suspect the github notification system to be at fault, most probably the URL might need to be changed. [17:59:57] tfinc: getting some kind of admin right there, would let me fix the URL myself [18:00:23] or I can bother reedy [18:00:28] gotcha. let me see what its set too [18:00:29] http://integration.mediawiki.org/ci/github-webhook/ [18:00:43] Tpt, this is on todo list [18:00:46] hashar: wut [18:00:59] Reedy: sorry. Was referring to you as an admin on Wikimedia github. [18:01:06] MaxSem: Thanks. [18:01:07] ahh [18:01:11] Reedy: you can skip reading :-D [18:01:25] * Reedy goes AFK for dinner [18:01:46] tfinc: it might not follow the redirect to HTTPS. Can you makes it https://integration.mediawiki.org/ci/github-webhook/ ? [18:01:52] (aka change http to https) [18:02:11] done [18:02:22] we will see what happens on next push [18:02:24] * tfinc goes to "test hook" it [18:02:33] Project WikipediaMobile - Nightly builds build #184: SUCCESS in 12 sec: https://integration.mediawiki.org/ci/job/WikipediaMobile%20-%20Nightly%20builds/184/ [18:02:36] ahah [18:02:38] woot! [18:02:44] can you fix the WiktionaryMobile one too ? [18:02:46] Project WikipediaMobile - Nightly builds build #185: SUCCESS in 7.8 sec: https://integration.mediawiki.org/ci/job/WikipediaMobile%20-%20Nightly%20builds/185/ [18:02:47] * jac: disable scrolling of WebView [18:02:47] * niklas.laxstrom: Translation updates from translatewiki.net [18:02:48] * yuvipanda: Actually use the GPS for nearby view [18:02:48] * tomasz: Updating search description [18:02:49] sure [18:02:49] * yuvipanda: Fixed nearby feature to actually work [18:02:49] * yuvipanda: image-less working version of iOS Saved Pages [18:02:50] * yuvipanda: Saved pages with images work [18:02:50] * yuvipanda: Abstracted out platform specific code [18:02:51] * tomasz: Updating language [18:02:51] * tomasz: Updating CHANGE log for previous versions [18:03:15] done [18:03:31] Project WiktionayMobile - Nightly builds build #13: SUCCESS in 9.8 sec: https://integration.mediawiki.org/ci/job/WiktionayMobile%20-%20Nightly%20builds/13/ [18:03:32] pfhayes: Styling error page for wiktionary [18:03:35] \o/ [18:03:36] you rocks [18:03:39] woot^2 :D [18:03:47] i love easy fixes [18:04:29] I love asking someone to please fix something and have that fixed in a few secs :-D [18:04:42] jdlrobson: preilly awjr .. any issues with our ui/ux candidate ? [18:04:50] Still in traffic [18:04:53] no names in the channel please [18:04:59] Can't code tho [18:05:00] tfinc: none that i can see from the materials you shared [18:05:04] ok [18:05:08] nope! looked promising! [18:05:11] ok [18:05:14] then i'm going to move forward [18:05:18] w00t! [18:05:36] Yay [18:05:42] tfinc: thanks a lot. That was bug 34578 for yuvipanda ( https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34578 ) [18:06:24] yuvipanda: nightly builds are working again :-) [18:06:38] your welcome :D [18:07:43] Thanks tfinc and hashar [18:10:45] well I guess being part of the github project is all about fame now :-D [18:10:53] you can probably skip that [18:11:35] :) [18:11:50] i bet id have to give you full admin access to change those options .. which would be overkill ;) [18:12:02] that was part of the evil plan indeed [18:12:23] then I would have converted all the repo back to good old CVS *grins* [18:12:35] just CVS? [18:12:37] why not RCS ? [18:12:41] * tfinc is old school [18:12:59] :-))) [18:37:54] frakfrakfrak [18:39:22] Tfinc, hello, need some help. The main page of Bangla Wikipedia (bnwiki) is not shown in new Android app for mobile. It has been suggested on our VP that it can be done with some CSS change on/for main page. Do you know what exactly we should do? [18:39:34] hey Tanvir [18:40:01] thats easy to fix [18:40:20] Great. Can you please tell me so I can fix? [18:40:20] Tanvir: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mobile_Projects/Mobile_Gateway#Mobile_homepage [18:40:31] that link will show you which selectors you have to add [18:40:35] once you add them then it'll magically show up [18:41:07] Oh, so I just need to add the ID to section I want to show up? [18:43:01] Tanvir: excatly [18:45:13] Tfinc, done that. I cannot check but will ask others for that. Thanks very much for the help. [18:46:08] Tanvir: glad to help [18:59:19] tfinc: i keep getting confused on where the ideal place to send MobileFrontend-related technical emails (eg an email saying 'three of the unit tests are failing, whoever broke them please either fix the problem or fix the tests') - mobile-l, wikitech-l, or both?! [19:02:43] hmm .. good question [19:03:11] wikitech-l, since we want more people to be involved :) [19:03:45] is it safe to assume that people who would be itnerested in hacking on the project would not exclusively be on mobile-l? [19:05:13] yeah, i expect more devs on wikitech [19:05:26] also, tfinc, one thing that was really useful in fundraising was that we set up a mail alias for the various fundraising teams (eg fr-tech@) so it would be easy to email the entire team for internal stuff (coordinating meetings, etc) without having to remember everyone's name/email address/blah. is that something we can do for the mobile team? [19:05:27] where as mobile-l was created to have a place for people to avoid the flood of wikitech [19:05:42] totally. in fact i was just about to mail about tthat [19:05:44] :D [19:06:00] as i'm tired of having to mail all of your invidiually [19:06:03] \o/ [19:10:14] what do we want to call the alias ? [19:15:49] tfinc: android beta2 ready. [19:16:00] [WikipediaMobile] yuvipanda pushed 2 new commits to master: http://git.io/HXwGOQ [19:16:00] [WikipediaMobile/master] Increase default zoom level in map - YuviPanda [19:16:00] [WikipediaMobile/master] Bumped version number and added changelog for v1.1beta2 - YuviPanda [19:16:12] yuvipanda: woot. send it out to the core team for a quick round of testing [19:16:13] Project WikipediaMobile - Nightly builds build #186: SUCCESS in 7.8 sec: https://integration.mediawiki.org/ci/job/WikipediaMobile%20-%20Nightly%20builds/186/ [19:16:14] * yuvipanda: Increase default zoom level in map [19:16:14] * yuvipanda: Bumped version number and added changelog for v1.1beta2 [19:16:51] [WikipediaMobile] yuvipanda pushed 1 new commit to master: http://git.io/y4aO5A [19:16:51] [WikipediaMobile/master] Added missing item in CHANGELOG - YuviPanda [19:16:56] tfinc: mobile-team@? [19:17:13] mobile-team or mobile-eng ? [19:17:18] ballers@ [19:17:21] mobile-tech ? [19:17:23] lolz [19:17:28] we'll have to explain that one to yuvi [19:18:18] yuvi: listen to 'i wish' by skee-lo [19:18:24] er yuvipanda ^ [19:18:45] * yuvipanda looks for easiest way to legally obtain said song [19:18:55] youtube ? [19:18:57] ;) [19:18:58] napster? [19:18:59] oh wait [19:19:14] Project WikipediaMobile - Nightly builds build #187: SUCCESS in 8.4 sec: https://integration.mediawiki.org/ci/job/WikipediaMobile%20-%20Nightly%20builds/187/ [19:19:15] yuvipanda: Added missing item in CHANGELOG [19:19:15] awjr: i think napster predates yuvi ;) [19:19:31] Napster was just closing down when I got on the internet in around 2005 [19:19:36] doh! [19:19:43] * MaxSem bangs his head at the wall [19:19:52] yuvipanda: do you even know the sound a dialup mode makes ? [19:19:54] modem* [19:20:01] if you guys want to see the writing of a 14 year old who thought he could code, check http://yuvipanda.blogspot.com [19:20:06] tfinc: yes sir, I verily do! [19:20:10] phew [19:20:23] ELEGANCE OF .NET. ? [19:20:24] I've used them in cyber cafes :) [19:20:25] seriously [19:20:37] tfinc: I still maintain that C# is a very nice language [19:20:53] yuvipanda: then you'll like working on the windows port of out app [19:20:56] i found the release of cheap consumer-grade cd burners and the advent of napster to be a harmonious and lucrative aligning-of-the-stars [19:21:05] tfinc: did you know I was a 'Microsoft Student Partner' when I was 15 or something? [19:21:15] and if you go back far enough in that blog you'll find posts about how IE6 is awesome [19:21:19] yuvipanda: we really shouldn't bring up those dark times [19:21:31] and I was using IE6 compared to Firefox [19:21:35] do MobileFrontend tests fail for someone else? [19:21:46] MaxSem: aye [19:21:55] i just sent an email to wikitech-l about it [19:21:59] tfinc: true, Visual Studio is actually the only IDE that is anywhere near close to 'Usable' [19:22:19] tfinc: do you want to send out the release email? [19:22:31] i want to do the iOS fixes so we can ship an alpha/beta tonight [19:22:32] yuvipanda: nope. your the release manager for V1.1 [19:22:34] ;) [19:22:36] ah [19:22:37] okay [19:22:58] i'll just mail them in internally then, work on iOS app then work on release notes [19:22:58] awjr, what's your libxml version? [19:23:03] tfinc: is the alias done? [19:23:15] yuvipanda: nope [19:23:19] its on my todo list [19:23:21] okay [19:23:27] just mail the same list you did for 1.1beta1 [19:23:35] yeah will do [19:25:38] MaxSem: lemme look - libxml2.something i presume, whatever is in apt for ubuntu 10.04 [19:25:46] heh [19:26:07] same crap on Labs, where it's 2.7.6 [19:26:22] is that somehow problematic for MobileFormatter? [19:26:33] on my system (2.7.7) and latest Ubuntu (2.7.8) everything works fine [19:27:01] whether it's problematic is what I'm figuring out [19:27:08] daeemn [19:28:14] MaxSem: yeah, 2.7.6 for me [19:28:41] im curious what's being used on the cluster - 2.7.6 i would imagine [19:29:01] yup, custer is also LTS [19:29:05] *cluster [19:29:17] yep [19:36:29] awjr, as a quick hack I can always do the failing operation with regexes instead of DOM :evilgrin: [19:59:30] tfinc: philinje email sent with beta2 [19:59:32] give it a trial run [19:59:37] * yuvipanda heads to work on iOS [19:59:39] yuvipanda: yup, installing it now [20:00:00] yuvipanda: do you need me to upload it to download ? [20:00:08] yes, that'd be good! [20:00:12] do that once you do a trial run though [20:00:16] last time I bugged apergos to do it [20:00:31] installing beta2 on my phone... whee [20:00:49] :) [20:03:31] i love seeing the contrib list :D [20:04:02] the "We would like to recognize" message needs to be localized [20:04:14] same thing about the "builds upon many .." [20:05:36] weird bug. after tapping from a near by view result the screen is shifted by a pixel or so both down and to the right [20:05:39] tfinc: afaik they *are* messages [20:05:39] after it loads then it lines up [20:05:53] essentially there is a white streak on the left and top until the article loads [20:06:21] gah [20:06:32] tfinc: file a bug :) [20:06:50] will do [20:07:18] tfinc: they *are* messages [20:07:31] i don't see any hardcoded text in index.html [20:32:02] upgrading phonegap on iOS is so much more painful than android [20:32:03] sigh [20:49:06] tfinc: we also need to make keys for facebook, etc (for ShareKit) [20:56:48] [WikipediaMobile] yuvipanda pushed 1 new commit to master: http://git.io/3Il5ng [20:56:48] [WikipediaMobile/master] Upgraded iOS PhoneGap - YuviPanda [20:56:48] tfinc: you not being able to build/use iOS app should be fixed now [20:57:03] Project WikipediaMobile - Nightly builds build #188: SUCCESS in 8 sec: https://integration.mediawiki.org/ci/job/WikipediaMobile%20-%20Nightly%20builds/188/ [20:57:03] yuvipanda: Upgraded iOS PhoneGap [21:01:43] [WikipediaMobile] yuvipanda pushed 1 new commit to master: http://git.io/efvTdA [21:01:43] [WikipediaMobile/master] Update new version info in about page - YuviPanda [21:01:57] Project WikipediaMobile - Nightly builds build #189: SUCCESS in 7.8 sec: https://integration.mediawiki.org/ci/job/WikipediaMobile%20-%20Nightly%20builds/189/ [21:01:58] yuvipanda: Update new version info in about page [21:07:33] tfinc: upload the new one, rather than the old one [21:33:08] I hate that I've to deprive myself of internet to test offline features [21:33:09] ga [21:33:09] h [21:34:49] [WikipediaMobile] yuvipanda pushed 1 new commit to master: http://git.io/1u_67A [21:34:49] [WikipediaMobile/master] Error pages now work on iOS - YuviPanda [21:35:03] Project WikipediaMobile - Nightly builds build #190: SUCCESS in 7.9 sec: https://integration.mediawiki.org/ci/job/WikipediaMobile%20-%20Nightly%20builds/190/ [21:35:04] yuvipanda: Error pages now work on iOS [21:35:15] cool :) [22:23:40] tfinc: poke [22:23:53] i don't think iOS will be beta quality tonight. [22:24:11] menu disabling needs work, at which point it'll become alpha quality [22:24:49] tfinc: and then I'd want us all to do a bit more testing before calling it 'beta', considering this app will be checked out by a lot of people (I hope) [22:24:57] tfinc: can you upload the apk to download so I can write the email and send it out? [22:28:41] philinje: around? [22:34:56] yuvipanda: ok [22:35:14] yuvipanda: already uploaded it [22:35:30] tfinc: the second one I sent? [22:36:13] the first one [22:37:14] tfinc: can you re-upload? [22:37:26] apologies for the confusion, forgot to change the about page to beta2 [22:37:27] uploading now [22:38:14] yuvipanda: MD5 (WikipediaMobile-v1.1beta2.apk) = 7b3fb646dc241bdd859251c833ff5544 [22:38:15] ? [22:38:36] yes [22:38:43] done [22:40:47] tfinc: do you see anything that's blocking us from starting to do RCs of the android app? [22:40:53] tfinc: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/showdependencytree.cgi?id=31805&hide_resolved=1 seems to be mostly un-reproable stuff [22:41:08] yuvipanda: not yet [22:41:55] tfinc: same with https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=33866 [22:43:00] yuvipanda: why aren't the gpl/source code links blue and clickable on the about page? [22:44:09] lets take feedback through the weekend and then we can cut an rc next week [22:44:23] Reedy: because they're messages and i'm not sure how to make links in messages [22:44:39] generic html in messages, rather [22:47:09] Have you tried whaddyaknow [22:54:13] mapnik replied to me tweet in which i complained about the bad RTL bug. [22:54:31] "Thank you for the heads up, we have passed this ticket to our mapping team." [22:54:58] so if a miracle happens and they fix, will it also be magically fixed in our app? [22:57:00] aharoni: nope [22:57:09]