in which all content is wrapped? [11:51:53] I want to get rid of it [11:52:07] MaxSem: in the API or in MF? [11:52:14] both [11:52:57] it looks a bit like divitis to me so probably not [11:53:07] since there is #content-wrapper [11:54:00] just notify me if you change it as MFE beta opensearch seems to use it [11:54:10] although I don't think there is any reason why that can't be changed [11:54:26] jdlrobson: MaxSem sadly that'll break android 1.1 app [11:54:33] it takes content out of #content [11:54:44] MaxSem could you remind me what I need to ssh into to upload to wmflabs? [11:54:53] well, technically it's there for HTML extraction internally [11:55:09] err [11:55:10] 1.0 app [11:55:11] not 1.1 [11:55:17] bastion.wmflabs.org [11:55:25] 1.1 is not out yet, so I can make it go from #content-wrapper if you want me to [11:55:44] yuvipanda, would be great [11:56:00] MaxSem: okay, i'll do that. [11:56:02] then we could remove it in a couple of months [11:56:31] I just don't want us to serve unneeded stuff [12:00:04] MaxSem it's denying my public key sadly [12:00:57] * MaxSem cynically thinks about cronned svn up [12:01:02] MaxSem: question - why not rename #content-wrapper to #content? [12:01:11] and get rid of current #content [12:01:41] #content-wrapper is part of skin, #content is needed for content extraction [12:02:33] ah [12:02:47] either way will fix it for 1.1 [12:03:01] ideally, mobile skin should use the same ids as normal ones, such as #mw-content-ltr [12:04:20] hmm, #content is still there, it just contains different stuff including #mw-content-ltr [12:04:51] even more reasons to get rid of it in mobile output because it has a different meaning [12:09:57] Andre_Engels, are there stats available on squid hits/misses on mobile sites? [12:10:40] * yuvipanda goes afk [12:15:19] MaxSem what username did you add me under on bastion? [12:16:38] oh, no - I can't add you to bastion, I've just svn upped the wiki [12:18:03] ahhh ok [12:19:02] could you enable it in LocalSettings ? [12:19:08] sorry to be a pain :) [12:19:58] enable what? [12:20:46] MF is already enabled, just not on by default (it's a multi-purpose wiki) [12:23:19] mobile-feeds.wmflabs.org/w/index.php?title=Test&useformat=mobile doesn't seem to be working - am I DIW ? [12:23:48] ah, feeds [12:23:58] I thought mobile-geo for some reason [12:25:18] must grab some lunch brb [12:27:40] jdlrobson, enabled. still, I advise you to use mbile-geo instead as it has more content and will live longer [12:28:01] *mobile-geo [12:34:53] cool - MaxSem http://mobile-geo.wmflabs.org/w/api.php?action=opensearch&limit=5&namespace=0&format=xml&search=h seems to be returning json rather than xml (which it doesn't on my local machine) [12:37:12] yes, it started overriding user-provided format at some time in the past [12:37:32] are you running an older release? [12:38:21] us devs generally use trunk MW [12:38:21] mmm possibly.. [12:39:37] so I'm guessing I need to specify an accept header? [12:40:04] no [12:40:12] you need to parse JSON;) [12:42:25] ah... ok. from the json can I get the url to the article? Seems to only list article names... [12:42:50] or is it just a case of replacing spaces with _ ? [12:47:37] mhm, is there a regression? [12:48:52] will investigate [17:36:56] greetings all [17:37:15] yuvipanda: MaxSem jdlrobson awjr : Andre_Engels how goes it ? [17:37:25] tfinc just writing you a mail [17:37:28] jdlrobson: k [17:37:39] life goes on... [17:37:40] stand up in 20'ish min [17:38:39] word. [17:38:55] yuvipanda: or yuvipanda_ ? [17:39:14] well that answers it [17:39:43] inbox(0) :D [17:40:31] jdlrobson: how stable is the fix for this to deploy https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=34711 ? [17:40:49] i'm still trying to wrap my head around your guys order for deployment of thing changes to M [17:40:50] F [17:42:14] there's been some big changes so I need to do some browser testing. I haven't done as much as I would have liked to today due to lack of a labs account, Josh's interview and also identifying a change with the search api via MaxSem (it's currently written to expect xml back from a search rather than json) [17:42:53] MaxSem: what kind of stats are you looking for regarding squid hits/misses on mobile sites? [17:43:41] well, I know the total number of hits, now I need to know cache hit/miss ratio for main entry point [17:46:01] i don't think we log that [17:47:49] jdlrobson: still no account from Ryan_Lane ? [17:48:00] nope :( need to ping him again [17:48:08] jdlrobson: i'll ask him when he gets in [17:48:12] thanks [17:48:52] in fact i'll also open an rt ticket about it [17:49:45] ok. http://rt.wikimedia.org/Ticket/Display.html?id=2519 [17:50:25] tfinc: poke [17:50:33] goes good [17:51:46] yuvipanda: yo [17:52:43] tfinc: fun weekend? [17:52:57] tfinc - don't think I've got RT access - do I need it? [17:53:10] jdlrobson: you'll need it [17:53:12] let me request it for you [17:53:18] IT needs to have this on their check list [17:56:42] yuvipanda: good weekend back in SF [17:56:48] still not really sure where i am after all this traveling [17:57:36] jdlrobson: since you already sent me interview notes .. does that mean your joining us for the standup? [17:57:42] yep [17:57:51] sweet [17:58:00] * tfinc fires up skype [17:59:33] yuvipanda, we currently request 10 articles from geodata, right? [18:00:06] eh, geonames [18:00:24] MaxSem: 5. I just changed that to 20 in a commit today [18:00:35] oh heh [18:01:26] I currently restrict it to 10 excerpts per request:) [18:02:16] MaxSem: non configurable? [18:03:58] heya Amgine [18:04:15] heya... was just coming looking for you. About that e-mail... [18:04:34] yeah [18:04:38] same here :P [18:04:41] about that email [18:10:50] * yuvipanda pokes Amgine [18:11:53] yuvipanda, it has a not-that-good worst case performance. I'll raise it to 20, but this number can't grow forever. alternatively, you can retrieve the data in several requests [18:12:49] * hexmode joins in the fun and pokes Amgine, too [18:15:33] * yuvipanda pokes Amgine [18:15:40] * yuvipanda pokes hexmode [18:16:14] sorry, just a moment. [18:16:20] bot got stuck. [18:16:35] Amgine: hehe okay [18:16:54] when tfinc comes back need to poke him with how he mentioned that remote people like us might have network problems [18:17:02] and then the entire office network goes down :) [18:17:10] [18:17:54] so MaxSem [18:17:59] jQuery.ajax({ url: "/w/api.php?action=opensearch&search=te", dataType: "xml", complete: function(r) { console.log(r, "!"); } }) on http://mobile-geo.wmflabs.org/w/index.php?title=Test&useformat=mobile [18:18:04] I had both laptops going down on Friday, so I spent the weekend desperately trying to get backups, no reinstalling. I feel the pain. [18:18:09] doesn't give me xml - what am I doing wrong? [18:18:55] yuvipanda: office network is problematic. I've seen that in some of my calls with the home office [18:19:21] looks like it is restricted to JSON: public function getCustomPrinter() { return $this->getMain()->createPrinterByName( 'json' ); } [18:19:22] [18:19:51] IIRC opensearch has different xml and json modes, no? [18:20:00] Microsoft made us do XML and did it differently [18:20:03] or something like that [18:20:05] poke Roan? [18:20:17] jdlrobson, I'll need to go afk for some time soonish, then I'll dig it for you [18:20:31] so problem with the server MaxSem? Am I right in thinking that the above should work but the url ?action=opensearch&format=xml&search=tes should not as the format query string parameter is ignored? [18:20:32] Amgine: I was just poking 'cause it looked like fun :) [18:20:53] opensearch uses XML at the moment yuvi [18:21:20] I know. [18:31:47] im popping out for a couple of hours... anything needed from me in that time? (will be back later) [18:49:23] well that was a scary 30min without internet [18:49:52] * yuvipanda reminds tfinc of his 'let's start with the people dialling in remotely since we know that connections are sometimes flaky' [18:49:53] :P [18:49:55] heya Astagi [18:49:56] heya shravan [18:50:12] Ryan_Lane: awjr and jdrobson need some labs accounts. i opened up a ticket for john .. let me know if you need anything else [18:50:37] I always need three things: 1. they need to join #wikimedia-labs [18:50:47] 2. they need to subscribe to labs-l list [18:51:05] 3. they need to provide me answers to a few questions, which I can more easily ask them in #wikimedia-labs [18:51:18] #4 bribe ? [18:51:19] :D [18:51:25] also, anyone that can make svn accounts can also now make labs accounts :) [18:51:57] so, no need for me to bottleneck you guys if I'm not around [18:52:16] * tfinc wonders if one of the questions is about the velocity of a swallow [18:52:22] I can't find the docs that say this stuff. sumanah moved them around somewhere :( [18:52:41] I'd show you them, but you aren't in #wikimedia-labs ;) [18:52:50] alas, I'm powerless without my bot [19:00:39] yuvipanda: so tell me about how you would like to manage our iOS testers [19:00:50] tfinc: testflightapp.com [19:01:01] from the homepage this looks like exactly what we need [19:01:21] i've known people who have used it. their pretty happy [19:01:45] key question. how do they manage beta users? [19:01:52] i'm assuming this is not just for error reporting [19:02:56] beta is their major thing. [19:03:28] you sign up as a beta user, and then you get 'notified' of new betas [19:03:36] thats how it should be [19:03:45] and you do a few taps on your deivce and you have it! [19:03:59] they're apparently co-opting Apple's 'Enterprise' solution for distributing apps [19:04:00] * tfinc likes this [19:04:08] any issues with test flight + phone gap ? [19:04:18] * tfinc wonders if apple will just buy them eventually [19:04:28] tfinc: we don't need to write a single line of code to support this, from what I am seeing [19:04:59] i'm already tinkering with an account [19:05:02] and creating a team [19:05:04] ooh sounds nice [19:05:29] tfinc: similar systems exist on Android as well [19:06:09] yuvipanda: i invited you as a dev brion : i invited you as a tester [19:06:18] * tfinc wants to see how they both work [19:08:14] yuvipanda: get the invite ? [19:08:20] tfinc: yes [19:08:22] uploading a build [19:08:34] * tfinc stop uploading a build then :D [19:09:00] stops* [19:09:46] tfinc: ah, then go ahead! I'm figuring out how to get the IPA built :) [19:09:49] tfinc: uploading from master? [19:09:59] master iPhone is not known-broken, master Android is known-broken [19:10:29] yuvipanda: no no… you can go ahead and upload it [19:10:31] don't wait on me [19:10:33] ok [19:10:36] what do you sign the build with though? [19:11:47] that's what I'm setting up right now :D [19:11:58] so it's going to take a while [19:12:05] so i assumed you're going to be able to do it faster than i [19:12:38] yeah. i have it setup . but i'm still not clear how user management is handled between test flight vs apple [19:12:50] tfinc: upload an IPA, we'll find out soon enough [19:13:27] brion: did you get an invite email from test flight ? [19:13:49] yuvipanda: k, i just sync'd up my git checkout [19:13:50] let me build [19:13:57] and sign as if i was doing an ad hoc distro [19:15:49] tfinc, yes i'm registering my device now [19:16:09] brion: we'll switch you over as a dev as soon as we see how each of these roles work [19:17:12] hmm .. master has the wrong app id [19:17:19] let me see where we set it [19:18:17] found the plist file [19:19:59] awjr: wm-bot: tfinc: I need the following info from you: 1. Your preferred wiki user name. This will also be your git username, so if you'd prefer this to be your real name, then provide your real name. 2. Your SVN account name, or your preferred shell account name, if you do not have SVN access. 3. Your preferred email address. [19:20:09] thats from ryans bot on #wikimedia-labs [19:20:45] ok. the signed build is now fixed [19:20:48] let me check in the app id fix [19:21:03] thanks tfinc, i started the process before the snow day started and i think some opsenfolk have started the ball rolling for me [19:21:19] awjr: check in for john too [19:21:43] aye [19:22:07] [WikipediaMobile] flyingclimber pushed 1 new commit to master: http://git.io/rD3lhA [19:22:07] [WikipediaMobile/master] Updating app id to correspond to what we have in the market - Tomasz Finc [19:22:22] Project WikipediaMobile - Nightly builds build #194: SUCCESS in 8.6 sec: https://integration.mediawiki.org/ci/job/WikipediaMobile%20-%20Nightly%20builds/194/ [19:22:23] tomasz: Updating app id to correspond to what we have in the market [19:22:45] tfinc: according to ryan lane jon already has an account [19:22:54] oh. different jon [19:23:38] yuvipanda: are we calling this a beta or an alpha ? [19:23:45] job robson [19:23:49] jon* [19:23:50] OH [19:23:52] duh. [19:23:59] what's his irc nick? [19:24:05] iOS? [19:24:05] beta [19:24:06] jdrobson [19:24:08] yuvipanda: yeah [19:24:30] once we put the sharing keys in and update the static startup image [19:24:59] tfinc: is he jrobson@wm.o? [19:25:04] awjr: yes [19:25:14] yuvipanda: its uploaded. test flight is stupid and is calling it 1.0 [19:25:25] oh wait [19:25:36] i wonder if its because the version is not properly set in the build [19:25:56] that is the most plausible reason [19:26:09] let me fix that [19:26:39] hi yuvipanda , sorry had dinner :) [19:26:41] hi all! [19:27:38] Astagi: heya! [19:27:39] yuvipanda: yup. that fixed it [19:28:32] [WikipediaMobile] flyingclimber pushed 1 new commit to master: http://git.io/v0GfyQ [19:28:32] [WikipediaMobile/master] Upping version number - Tomasz Finc [19:28:48] Project WikipediaMobile - Nightly builds build #195: SUCCESS in 9.6 sec: https://integration.mediawiki.org/ci/job/WikipediaMobile%20-%20Nightly%20builds/195/ [19:28:48] tomasz: Upping version number [19:30:27] ok .. yuvipanda brion let me know if you get an email asking you to test Wikipedia 3.1 [19:30:53] none yet [19:30:57] * tfinc wonders if jdlrobson3 is better then jdlrobson [19:31:09] :) on mobile wifi on train [19:31:11] lots of tunnels! [19:31:30] jdlrobson3: awjr is trying to figure out whats going on with your labs account [19:31:46] yuvipanda: do you have access to the build that i uploaded ? [19:31:59] im about to get off the train so wont have stable wifi for about another 30 mins :/ [19:32:40] yup I see it [19:33:01] brion: are you able to install it? [19:33:15] so for some reason brion is going into an exclude lit [19:33:16] list* [19:33:22] i have the testflight thingy but no offer to install any betas yet [19:33:29] brion: this this anon link http://bit.ly/xoL1MU [19:33:52] yuvipanda: see under testers where its excluding brion? [19:33:55] i can't figure out why [19:34:32] 'These teammates' devices were not identified in the embedded.mobileprovision for this build.' [19:34:39] 'this device cannot install this build' [19:35:14] 'will notify you when your developer adds this device to future builds.' [19:35:24] apparently my uuid didn't make it in [19:35:47] lolwut http://support.testflightapp.com/discussions/problems/2033-these-teammates-devices-were-not-identified-in-the-embeddedmobileprovision-for-this-build [19:36:12] this basically means we have to do the signing dance for every device [19:36:15] :| [19:36:23] and rebuild the thing as well? [19:36:27] yuvipanda: if i have to go through apples signing .. then this simply makes error reporting better [19:36:37] not much else [19:36:40] its just a nicer ui [19:36:48] which is not a bad thing [19:36:58] but you still have to use developer.apple for all the device management [19:37:09] gah [19:37:45] d'oh [19:38:14] i'm pretty sure apple would have sued them if they really got past their drm [19:39:35] well, if it would auto-register the device ids for us [19:39:36] that would [19:39:38] be NICE [19:40:11] tfinc, ok i'm gonna look up my uuid and send it to ya [19:40:18] brion: k [19:40:53] brion: i have one ending in "cefa" [19:41:06] another with "79ae" [19:42:00] tfinc: for my ipod touch: 0a8f3a0818a313415025a2b899e267b64c66f16f [19:42:03] i think that's the right id [19:42:15] and my ipad: 9362a67e1f99319e3445ad1d3b3c070f738b79ae [19:43:09] i have the BriPad already [19:43:10] :D [19:43:17] \o/ [19:44:15] ok. regenerating a new ad hoc cert with brions iPod touch [19:44:21] wheeee [19:44:47] tfinc: did you get those bugs fixed or should I? [19:44:57] hexmode: you should clean them up [19:45:01] so the main win is not having to distribute the individual profiles every time i think [19:45:06] but you still have to make them [19:45:23] tfinc: k [19:46:13] tfinc: did you look at the list? I'm pretty sure it is correct, but just wanted to give you a chance to veto anything [19:46:51] testflightapp.com is sooooo slow [19:47:43] hexmode: i skimmed the first one and they look ok [19:47:45] looked* [19:47:49] kk [19:47:51] :) [19:48:17] still waiting for the site to respond ... [19:48:17] tfinc: don't you mean your network is so slow? :P [19:48:23] irc works just fine [19:48:24] ;) [19:48:35] all i want to do is to upload a new build [19:48:41] Error 324 (net::ERR_EMPTY_RESPONSE): The server closed the connection without sending any data. [19:49:05] all other sites work great [19:49:16] yeah slow/borked for me too [19:49:28] apparently their taking a snow day too [19:49:34] * tfinc wants to go pay starfox [19:49:36] :D [19:49:39] play* [19:49:49] * tfinc notices lunch time is approachin [19:49:58] this is true [19:50:19] yuvipanda: i'm hesitant to move forward with test flight if its this unstable [19:50:35] tfinc: try it out for 1 day (today) with perhaps a few more people in office [19:50:38] just got my labs account set up \o/ [19:50:46] awjr: woot [19:51:53] * tfinc takes a break and checks the twitter sphere [19:53:50] twitter was pretty quiet over the weekend [19:53:54] tfinc: changed [19:54:00] hexmode: thanks [19:55:46] http://htc.rnve.com/mailing/HTC/HTC_CRM2_00056-00064.asp?cde=13Rt8sIgYBqfb853&m=64&i=142599&ue=886000001310437366&e=sam%40reedyboy.net [19:55:48] Quad core phones! [19:56:32] what, 20th HTC flagship in a year? [19:56:45] 12 months, or 2012? [19:56:45] i hope you brought extra batteries [19:57:25] more cores in more places [19:57:35] So, my Galaxy Nexus was made obsolete within a week of buying it :p [19:58:05] Reedy: you wound up going for the galaxy nexus? [19:58:19] Yeah [19:58:22] happy with it so far? [19:58:27] I thought my Desire HD was big... [19:58:30] batteries? phones will live on alcohol soon, just like Bender Bending Rodriguez! [19:58:33] lol [19:58:42] Wifi power everywhere! [19:58:51] mmmm, microwave radiation [19:59:00] fortunately all of my pants have large enough pockets for the galaxy nexus. [19:59:17] Mine are fine too, it's not actually that much bigger [19:59:18] could be bigger. could be the galaxy note. [19:59:29] i saw the galaxy note all over india [19:59:32] its unreal [19:59:34] Didn't someone mod the ipod touch to do calls? [19:59:36] they LOVE them [19:59:37] Do it with an ipad? [20:00:08] testflightapp.com : An unexpected error has occurred. [20:00:17] awjr: Lack of SD reader is a "meh", 16GB ought to be enough for anyone, right? Else, cloud... Feels a little cheap with a plastic case vs the desire hd had. [20:00:21] im pretty sure none of my pants could handle a galaxy note. [20:00:27] awjr: biggest bonus is no HTC Sense without having to root it [20:00:40] i'm giving up on testflight for at least an hour [20:01:03] they should market over-the-shoulder carrying straps for your tablet [20:01:40] why can't we just strap them to our backs like TRON rings ? [20:01:46] or hang it in front and run the clock app like flava flav [20:01:56] awjr: I see way too many Galaxy Notes in India for my comfort [20:02:03] people in buses talking on that thing [20:02:05] is weird [20:02:18] seriously .. i saw the galaxy note everywhere [20:02:19] Reedy:L heh yeah - the built in 16gb made me waffle for a second as well. if the camera was better on the galaxy nexus it might've been a dealbreaker, but if im not using the camera and don't have photo/video to store, it's not a big deal. plus with 4g i don't even need to keep audio files on my galaxy nexus - i can easily stream everything. [20:02:41] food train in 10min [20:02:44] i like the idea of the flavaflav phone mod... [20:03:02] * awjr goes in search of a gold chain [20:04:30] yuvipanda: damn those people for buying technology like the west :p [20:04:50] Reedy: it's 'bigger is better' taken to the extreme [20:05:15] yuvipanda: let me know when you see someone using a iMac on the bus. Kthx [20:05:36] I regularly use my laptop on buses [20:05:39] and trains [20:05:42] and roads [20:06:00] and in http://www.hindu.com/2007/03/27/images/2007032717560301.jpg [20:06:48] laptop != imac [20:07:06] true but i'm yet to see anyone going 'bigger' [20:07:12] :D [20:07:20] we still need to have our bot in here that monitors incoming bugs [20:07:24] who wants to set that up? [20:08:02] yuvipanda: want me to kill 1.1beta2 from bugzilla ? [20:08:25] tfinc: yes [20:09:17] k. moving 1.1beta1 -> 1.1 bugs [20:09:18] first [20:10:36] yuvipanda: ok its gone [20:10:39] lunch time [20:25:39] * MaxSem shivers while reading ApiOpenSearchXml [20:26:43] jdlrobson, found it! [20:26:51] the api problem? [20:27:25] XML support was added by Ext:OpenSearchXml, I've installed it on mobile-geo [20:27:53] perfect [20:27:54] thanks a lot [20:39:11] nope, i'm going to rebuild the menu plugin [20:40:23] or maybe not [20:40:30] i'll just hook a hack on top the hack [20:45:09] * tfinc wonders what yuvipanda is doing [20:45:35] tfinc: so basically, the menu plugin we use on Android [20:45:46] doesn't have any mechanism to actually update a single item [20:45:47] uhuh [20:45:56] so everytime we disable anything, we're basically nuking the menu and building it again [20:46:05] which is… [20:46:25] anyway, so that's gotten me a race condition when I do that too fast [20:46:33] which is disabling 3 icons in a row [20:46:41] which is what I need to do in iOS [20:46:49] now, I could either cheat and not do it on android [20:46:51] fun [20:46:57] or put 50ms delays [20:47:04] or something like that [20:47:06] brion, heh - I've just discovered that your OpenSearchXml extracts text just like my prop=excerpt. we've used completely different text extraction techniques though:) [20:47:10] or even hack in actual synchronization [20:47:29] or redo the menu plugin to be not retarded (and contribute it back) [20:47:45] or just write another hack on top of this hack that lets me do the one thing I want (enable/disable without race conditions) [20:48:38] MaxSem, ha! well glad it works :DD [20:49:32] eek [20:50:01] yuvipanda, my ideal world would probably be if we can extend the menu plugin to allow updates of some sort [20:50:13] brion: so to do that we need to id by something [20:50:22] the menu plugin is currently not storing anything that can map back to our js [20:50:24] *except* [20:50:26] for the label [20:50:35] bleaahhh [20:50:49] so the hack I have in mind [20:50:53] labels shouldn't be identifiers, they're localized and can change :) [20:51:11] brion: well, here if they change localization the app is restarted, so *technically* they can be [20:51:28] heh [20:51:30] but if I use that, i'd want to punish myself by opening this window so the mosquitoes can bite me to malaria [20:51:38] lol [20:51:47] "Barack Hussein Obama II (; born August 4, 1961) is the 44th and current President of the United States." - OpenSearch [20:51:55] " Barack Hussein Obama II (i/bəˈrɑːk huːˈseɪn oʊˈbɑːmə/; born August 4, 1961) is the 44th and current President of the United States. He is the first African American to hold the office. Obama previously served as a United States Senator from Illinois, from January 2005 until he resigned following his victory in the 2008 presidential election." - mine [20:52:18] +1 [20:53:29]