[00:00:20] [WikipediaMobile] flyingclimber pushed 1 new commit to master: http://git.io/WdTsWw [00:00:20] [WikipediaMobile/master] Fixing build settings - Tomasz Finc [00:00:34] Project WikipediaMobile - Nightly builds build #201: SUCCESS in 7.8 sec: https://integration.mediawiki.org/ci/job/WikipediaMobile%20-%20Nightly%20builds/201/ [00:00:34] tomasz: Fixing build settings [00:00:40] awjr: I'm good to meet now [00:00:55] tfinc: cool let's do it. [00:01:08] lets see if the mushroom kingdom is open [00:31:41] Project WiktionayMobile - Nightly builds build #16: SUCCESS in 7.8 sec: https://integration.mediawiki.org/ci/job/WiktionayMobile%20-%20Nightly%20builds/16/ [00:31:42] * dale.lemieux: Updated search bar icon to be Wiktionary icon [00:31:42] * dale.lemieux: Removing dead code from WiktionaryActivity and manifest [00:45:27] hey pfhayes, was this error there the whole time? [00:45:51] tonyC_ can you join wiktionary-mobile [01:40:38] Hello folks - Just pushed in a small patch for the UA fix [01:40:51] BBL [01:57:32] Project WiktionayMobile - Nightly builds build #17: SUCCESS in 8.8 sec: https://integration.mediawiki.org/ci/job/WiktionayMobile%20-%20Nightly%20builds/17/ [01:57:33] hy.cheng: re-added listen-in to the menu [02:56:23] kdeo: thanks! [09:16:31] MaxSem - since you have a Samsung Jet when you get a moment could you check if this is still relevant? https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=30829 [09:16:48] yes it is [09:17:59] thanks! [09:18:45] note that it currently receives WML although it souldn't but still search button is invisible [09:31:24] http://ultimategerardm.blogspot.com/2012/02/dyk-wiktionary-does-mobile.html [09:36:00] yo. [09:36:24] how hard would it be to add webfonts to Mobile Frontend? [09:36:53] aharoni, imagine all those torches and pitchforks! [09:37:06] why? :) [09:38:41] because it's mobiiile;) many people will be mad if you make them download those fonts over wireless lines [09:39:51] it's either that or squares. [09:40:19] try http://or.m.wikipedia.org on your phone. [09:40:21] people should allegedly have phones supporting their native language [09:40:44] that's what they say about desktops, and it's wrong. [09:40:55] and it's even worse for phones. [09:41:09] it's supposed to be possible to cache them. [09:41:24] caching works on desktops, i'm not sure about phones. [09:41:29] how many phones support web fonts and don't explode? [09:41:44] those that don't support webfonts, don't explode. [09:41:46] phones may have caching, too, but cache is usually very small [09:41:54] many modern phones support webfonts. [09:42:00] minde does. [09:42:04] mine [09:42:44] so on the regular http://or.wikipedia.org i see text, because the regular Wikipedia serves webfonts. [09:42:52] but the mobile version gives me squares. [09:43:23] another possible option is to pack fonts with the app, assuming that the app will have access fonts that are packed with it. [09:43:41] so it's a big download, but it happens only once. [09:44:04] and it will probably only work in the app, and not in the regular browser. [09:48:01] is it possible to to make MobileFrontend use Extension:WebFonts, or is it complete nonsense? [09:48:32] everything's possible. but we currently don't support ResourceLoader [09:53:25] MaxSem many languages are not supported by mobile phones [09:53:39] support for a language is the exeption not the rule [09:54:19] so people for example, in India, buy phones with UI not in their native language? [09:54:48] yes, MaxSem [09:54:55] it's very weird, but that's how it is. [09:55:22] Nokia deserves its present dead spin [09:55:53] they also buy laptops with operating systems that support displaying and typing most Indic languages, but with only Latin letters on the keyboard. [09:56:36] lots of people there are really surprised when i tell them that they can type their language on the computer they already have. [09:56:54] that's why we're doing Narayam. [09:57:34] and even though the font support on desktops is better than on phones, it's still far from perfect and that's why we're doing WebFonts. [09:59:30] how deeply do you rely on jQuery/RL? [10:02:45] quite a bit. [10:03:36] we probably don't have all the advanced features, like font selection. [10:03:47] don't have to have [10:04:28] so that's the problem: the more a phone likely to need WebFonts, the more it is likely to choke on jQuery [10:06:33] it's possible that simply using CSS to load the fonts by the lang selector will do the trick. [10:30:36] brb [12:01:26] yuipanda - you there? [12:09:44] jdlrobson: heya [12:09:47] jdlrobson: use tab completion [12:09:49] will poke me [12:10:23] k - just a quick question - I'm trying to build the phonegap app via instructions at http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Mobile/PhoneGap/Tutorial#Setup [12:10:55] jdlrobson: okay [12:10:55] i added this: body { [12:10:56] border: solid 1px red; [12:10:56] } to app.css however when I build it the resulting app doesn't show that css rule [12:11:08] although its clearly deploying an app to my emulator [12:11:21] jdlrobson: possibly being overriden elsewhere? [12:11:27] try something more drastic, like a color change [12:11:29] *also* [12:11:35] sometimes ant doesn't clean stuff properly [12:11:39] no.. when i open it in web browser it's there [12:11:42] is there an ant clean ? [12:11:43] so try a ant uninstall && ant clean && ant debug install [12:12:04] * jdlrobson tries [12:12:33] yeyy [12:12:35] that worked :D [12:12:40] thanks ! :D [12:12:44] ill update the docs [12:21:08] jdlrobson: was already there :) [12:21:10] 'note: if you find that your making changes but not seeing them in the emu. 1) ant debug uninstall 2) ant debug clean 3) ant debug install' [12:21:29] what was already there? [12:21:48] ahh bottom of second exercise [12:21:56] wrong place perhaps [12:22:00] yeh i added under setup [12:22:01] s/perhaps/definitely/ [12:27:27] yuvipanda, do you know a thing or two about Extension:MobileFrontend? [12:27:43] aharoni: jdlrobson would be a far better person to talk to [12:27:59] hi jdlrobson :) [12:28:16] hey! what's up? [12:28:42] admins of Wikipedias in languages of India are doing a good job setting up their mobile main pages [12:28:59] the sad thing is that almost nobody will be able to actually read them from their phones [12:29:11] because most phones don't have font for Indic languages. [12:29:48] not all is lost, however, because the browsers in quite a lot of phones are able to display the fonts more or less well if a font is provided somehow. [12:30:02] so there are two possibilities: [12:30:18] 1. to add webfonts support to MobileFrontend. [12:30:28] 2. to provide fonts with the app. [12:30:56] the app being the android app? [12:31:08] yes. i don't know [12:31:13] about iPhone [12:31:48] maybe it's possible to provide a font with an app, so that the app will be able to use it. [12:31:57] (it may be correct for both Android and iOS) [12:32:52] accessing http://or.wikipedia.org from my phone works, because the WebFonts extension loads a webfont. But http://or.m.wikipedia.org shows squares. [12:33:06] well... there's this bug - https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=22659 - which if enabled could allow adding webfonts in the css file using a @import url(); [12:33:17] and it's the same for many more languages - ml, kn, gu etc. [12:34:34] well, solving that bug is one solution... but then all the projects will have to write their own CSS, and we know that they won't :) [12:35:02] (not that it shouldn't be resolved) [12:35:30] web fonts should be provided in the CSS for all projects. [12:36:10] Extension:WebFonts is already deployed on Wikimedia, so the font files are available. adding @font-face to MobileFrontend sohuld do the trick... more or less. [12:36:36] ping santhosh [12:38:10] k i'll look into it - is there a bug open for this? [12:39:25] https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=33648 [12:39:53] and also, https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=32007 , but for that adding fonts to the app distribution will be required. [12:40:23] 33648 will probably only need a few lines of css in MobileFrontend (probably) [12:40:39] the L10n team would love to work with the mobile team on that [12:50:19] i've made some notes i'll have a word with preilly about it and see if we can get it addressed soonish [12:50:28] thanks for bringing it to my attention ! [12:54:50] jdlrobson, many millions of people will thank you. [12:55:31] i'm quite new to the team so still getting to speed on a few things - but I dislike bugs so I'll try and get rid of it from the bug list as soon as i possibly can - i'll ping you when I'm looking into it :) [13:01:50] [WikipediaMobile] yuvipanda pushed 2 new commits to master: http://git.io/kUUV5w [13:01:50] [WikipediaMobile/master] update readme file to explain how to get setup without eclipse - Jon Robson [13:01:50] [WikipediaMobile/master] Merge pull request #146 from jdlrobson/documentation - Yuvi Panda [13:02:06] Project WikipediaMobile - Nightly builds build #202: SUCCESS in 8.6 sec: https://integration.mediawiki.org/ci/job/WikipediaMobile%20-%20Nightly%20builds/202/ [13:02:07] jdlrobson: update readme file to explain how to get setup without eclipse [13:09:24] are there any styling guidelines for the WikipediaMobile app? it doesn't look like it but i wanted to check.. [13:51:32] MaxSem - how do I ask the api to disable images ? [14:12:02] jdlrobson, &noimages [14:12:34] awesome [14:12:44] use ApiSandbox to explore these things [17:47:04] greetings all [17:47:23] MaxSem: jdlrobson: stand up in 15min [17:49:53] yes sir [17:50:02] lolz [17:52:12] no yuvi today. he's traveling [17:52:20] and Patrick? [17:52:34] Patrick is @ MWC with Kul & Amit [17:52:48] thats eating up all his time [18:16:05] MaxSem: hi [18:16:11] hi [18:17:09] here is the top page: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/MobileFrontend/Photo_upload [18:17:28] the links at the top are the useful stuff [18:18:13] jdlrobson: Hey Jon, you might want to take a peek too, if you get a chance [18:34:26] [WikipediaMobile] yuvipanda pushed 1 new commit to master: http://git.io/oRBKvQ [18:34:26] [WikipediaMobile/master] Merge pull request #145 from kshdeo/master - Yuvi Panda [18:34:41] Project WikipediaMobile - Nightly builds build #203: SUCCESS in 8.6 sec: https://integration.mediawiki.org/ci/job/WikipediaMobile%20-%20Nightly%20builds/203/ [18:34:41] kshdeo: Custom User Agent WikipediaMobile/1.1 prepended to existing UA [19:02:53] photo upload is really exciting [19:07:01] heatherw: ! [19:07:23] ? [19:07:30] i'm liking this new color scheme across your new rendinergs [19:07:33] renderings [19:07:56] the no-color scheme? ;) [19:08:01] heatherw: yes! [19:08:06] its crisp [19:08:09] and clean [19:08:25] yay! [19:10:01] heatherw: also, you'll be happy to know that your getting help starting today [19:10:08] lindsey smith's first day is today [19:10:14] oh cool :) [19:10:16] she's filling our ui/ux mobile rfp role [19:10:22] nice! [19:10:33] i'll be sending an announcement but she's sitting right across from arthur [19:10:44] she'll be a good partner in crime [19:11:01] arthur now or arthur before (me)? [19:12:00] i will be in later, looking forward to meeting her (which may have already happened very briefly) [19:12:23] arthur now [19:12:33] or awjr as we like to call him here [19:13:06] awwwjar! [19:13:13] lolz [19:13:21] aw junior? [19:13:30] Arthur William James Richards [19:13:46] it's a regal thing. [19:13:53] it certainly is! [19:14:10] you should require people to say the whole thing [19:16:26] :p [19:25:07] awjr: lunch @ 12:30 ? [19:25:10] i have a call @ 12 [19:25:24] tfinc: sounds great [19:54:13] ok. i'm putting in a request for a mobile team alias [19:54:19] 1) mobile-eng [19:54:22] 2) mobile-team [19:54:47] 3) mobile-tech [19:54:53] 4) .. something else .. ? [19:54:59] awjr: --^ [19:55:39] i vote 3 or 2, in that order. [19:55:42] of preference, i mean [19:55:58] MaxSem: do you have a preference ? [19:56:42] don't care [19:56:46] k [19:57:19] awjr: http://rt.wikimedia.org/Ticket/Display.html?id=2547 [19:57:46] hahaha tfinc you left me off the list [19:57:55] add it onto the ticket [19:58:25] done. wasn't sure if you were passively telling me i'm off the team [20:03:44] awjr: if you want to go with the group feel fre [20:03:49] i'll just catch up [20:04:04] just let phil and lindsey know [20:04:11] tfinc: they're grabbing food and coming back - i'd rather go get thai :p [20:25:14] tfinc: we can wait [20:25:50] k [20:28:25] wrapping up [21:59:28] awjr: ok we have mobile-tech@wikimedia.org now [21:59:37] i'm going to send an intro mail to it [21:59:47] woohoo! [22:00:23] awjr: what use case did you run into that made you want me to create this ? [22:00:30] i have a couple listed already [22:00:46] i totally forget what specifically made me think of it [22:01:10] but i'm going to use it in a little bit to send out an email asking everyone from the team for their changes to MF they hope to see in the next deploy [22:01:36] k [22:02:06] ok .. email sent [22:02:09] awjr: did it get through? [22:02:12] jdlrobson: greetings [22:02:16] greetings! [22:02:23] tfinc: yup [22:02:28] * awjr waves at jdlrobson [22:02:38] hello awjr! [22:02:43] awjr: whats going to be interesting is to see if we use wikitech-l@ and mobile-tech@ wisely [22:02:54] mobile-tech is a private list/group [22:03:05] and we should only use when we CANT use one of the other lists [22:03:55] definitely - we should just make sure to remind eachother when we're sending something to mobile-tech that should be going out to wikitech-l [22:05:24] jdlrobson: i'm curious to try this out http://www.utest.com/mobile-app-testing [22:05:33] * jdlrobson looks [22:07:01] do they do free trials/ [22:07:06] lsmith: greetings! [22:07:13] (it seems yes) [22:07:21] jdlrobson: i'm sure they do [22:07:26] hello there [22:07:43] hello lsmith ! welcome! [22:08:04] lsmith is our awesome new ui/ux designer [22:08:12] were pretty happy to have her here [22:08:56] yep. me too! i've been wanting to work with a dedicated ux person for agggggggeesss [22:09:49] I'm happy to be here :) [22:11:31] tfinc - are there any style guidelines for the phonegap app [22:11:34] lsmith: i just filled out your on boarding form. will keep you posted on what i hear back [22:11:42] (as in code styling) [22:11:44] lsmith: did you have a chance to think about an announcement blurb ? [22:12:02] jdlrobson: the design was heavily based on what nitobi mocked up for us [22:12:06] there's a lot of inconsistency - double quotes, single quotes, some spaces after parenthesises etc [22:12:39] example please [22:12:59] jdlrobson: here are the original designs http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mobile_Projects/WikipediaAndroidApp [22:13:13] sorry not that kind of style! [22:13:59] as in code appearance [22:14:50] ahhh! [22:15:01] you mean coding conventions [22:15:22] ala http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Coding_conventions [22:15:53] yeh [22:15:58] but this project seems to make its own rules [22:16:14] we should likely standardize [22:16:29] which is fine - but if we're doing something different it should be written down - as i'm not sure how i should be writing my code as it stands :) [22:16:45] sync up with yuvi and pick one :) [22:16:46] would make sense to follow http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Coding_conventions/JavaScript [22:16:48] i leave it to you guys [22:16:50] will do [22:17:07] then just mail wikitech and let people know [22:17:17] currently having fun with rewriting WikipediaMobile to use the api [22:18:06] jdlrobson: i'm really interested to see what the speed up/down is [22:18:30] well the problem i have right now is I'm having to test again a local copy - as the api changes haven't made it to wikipedia.org yet [22:18:44] but once were api driven .. we can start to think about tinkering with look and feel [22:18:45] also i need to understand better how the history mechanism works [22:19:03] because once were not bound to MF we shouldn't care about presentation [22:19:05] just content [22:19:57] yup [22:20:35] i for one welcome this new awesome api driven world [22:20:57] jdlrobson: experiencing with new work hours tonight ? [22:21:06] giving it a go. :) [22:21:36] i've been out and i'm back - see how much I can get done whilst still being productive :) [22:21:38] if we see random key presses then we'll just assume you've passed out on your keyboard [22:35:32] awjr: you should get sarah to test out the new wikipedia iOS beta [22:35:55] tfinc: good idea! [22:36:14] all we need is her udid [22:37:12] tfinc: yeah… we'll probably have to wait til I see her in Tucson before getting that [22:37:23] whenever [22:41:02] tfinc: there's definitely cool stuff going on spoke6 (that coworking space in tucson) - speakers, meetups… looks like there's a monthly wordpress meetup and they just had an iOS/mapkit talk [22:41:24] go check it out in person and report back [22:41:46] i definitely will [22:57:38] interesting http://blog.foursquare.com/2012/02/29/foursquare-is-joining-the-openstreetmap-movement-say-hi-to-pretty-new-maps/ [23:00:18] brion: foursquare move to OSM --^ [23:00:34] \o/ neat [23:42:32] http://www.readwriteweb.com/mobile/2012/02/mozilla-putting-all-the-pieces.php .. go mozilla go [23:42:42] brion: i'm chatting with them about the mozilla app store next week [23:42:51] \o/