[00:00:13] <heatherw>	 yes. and then my car broke down and i was not near my computer. what is the status, super urgent?
[00:00:29] <tfinc>	 by monday
[00:00:38] <tfinc>	 english time
[00:00:43] <tfinc>	 so really by sunday night
[00:00:52] <heatherw>	 okay! np
[00:01:23] <heatherw>	 i can send it before that so he can check it.
[00:01:27] <tfinc>	 sweet
[00:01:47] <tfinc>	 heatherw: be afraid .. were implementing your designs !
[00:01:49] <tfinc>	 :D
[00:02:28] <heatherw>	 !!! eek!
[00:02:35] <heatherw>	 (also cool!)
[00:02:58] <tfinc>	 its also our first big product->design->implementation push
[00:03:05] <tfinc>	 a recipe for future success !
[00:03:15] <heatherw>	 hurray for success!
[00:03:53] <heatherw>	 :D
[00:05:01] <tfinc>	 preilly: awjr : did we clear up the show/hide button issues ?
[00:05:15] <tfinc>	 from the user stand point. i saw the banter about coordinating releases
[00:05:22] <tfinc>	 and that can be resolved later
[00:05:40] <awjr>	 tfinc: we did for mobile web, im not sure where things are for hte apps
[00:05:45] <awjr>	 *the apps
[00:05:52] <tfinc>	 awjr: were not sure if our app is broken ?
[00:06:27] <tfinc>	 don't tell me that we don't know if over 1 million android users can't effectively use the site
[00:07:04] <awjr>	 tfinc: i don't know, i believe yuvipanda was dealing with it earlier
[00:07:15] <awjr>	 but im not sure where he left it
[00:08:13] <awjr>	 also im not even sure the productiona pp was broken or if the changes we made to MobileFrontend javascript broke the app in trunk
[00:09:20] <tfinc>	 so what i need to know is
[00:09:31] <tfinc>	 1) if the production apps is broken
[00:09:34] <tfinc>	 2) if the beta is broken
[00:09:38] <tfinc>	 3) if master is broken
[00:09:44] <tfinc>	 if #3 is broken then thats fine
[00:09:45] <tfinc>	 no rush
[00:09:54] <tfinc>	 if #2 is broken then thats bad but not the end of the world
[00:09:58] <tfinc>	 if #1 is broken then thats bad
[00:10:02] <tfinc>	 and need to be fixed asap
[00:10:37] <awjr>	 tfinc i'm using the beta that yuvi mailed about yesterday or the day before and it is NOT broken
[00:10:46] <tfinc>	 ok
[00:11:11] <awjr>	 unless there was another beta release since then i don't know about, i don't see how it could be broken since we made the JS changes yesterday afternoon
[00:11:27] <tfinc>	 my quick test shows that the show/collapse buttons are there in the beta
[00:11:28] <tfinc>	 they work
[00:11:32] <tfinc>	 but their not localized
[00:11:37] <awjr>	 but i haven't really been paying attn to app-related stuff so i can't be sure of the status
[00:11:57] <tfinc>	 1.1beta3 is the latest on android
[00:13:04] <awjr>	 yeah that's what im using
[00:13:17] <awjr>	 we should have something in the app itself that announces the version
[00:14:14] <tfinc>	 awjr: we already do
[00:14:19] <tfinc>	 menu->config->about us
[00:14:29] <tfinc>	 s/config/settings
[00:14:43] <awjr>	 ahha
[00:14:45] <awjr>	 cool
[00:16:20] <tfinc>	 has this fix been deployed https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=35086 ?
[00:16:43] <awjr>	 tfinc: yes
[00:16:57] <tfinc>	 because i'm getting malformed labels on pl wiki (even after purging my cache)
[00:17:08] <awjr>	 what are you seeing?
[00:17:22] <tfinc>	 Poka&Airing;&frac14;
[00:17:25] <tfinc>	 i kid you not
[00:17:32] <awjr>	 well that looks f'd up
[00:17:36] <tfinc>	 yes it is
[00:17:41] <tfinc>	 i'm spinning up the simulator now
[00:18:45] <tfinc>	 awjr: what happens when you load http://pl.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Toskania&useformat=mobile ?
[00:18:56] <tfinc>	 on your phone
[00:19:02] <awjr>	 tfinc: looks fine to me
[00:19:09] <awjr>	 oh lemme check on the phone
[00:19:17] <awjr>	 i just tried an article on en wiki with uselang=pl and it works fine
[00:20:46] <awjr>	 yeah on my phone it looks fine
[00:21:08] <awjr>	 I see 'Pokaż'
[00:21:39] <tfinc>	 brand new emu shows the same problem that i'm seeing
[00:21:48] <tfinc>	 i made sure to wipe data before starting it
[00:21:56] <tfinc>	 so we have a problem somewhere
[00:22:15] <awjr>	 huh, sounds like it's probably a caching problem
[00:22:24] <awjr>	 preilly you there/
[00:22:39] <tfinc>	 and you don't even want to know what i see in japanese
[00:23:16] <awjr>	 japanese is rendering fine for me as well
[00:24:54] <tfinc>	 awjr: preilly was able to duplicate what i saw in japannese
[00:25:05] <tfinc>	 the text is completely wrong
[00:25:39] <tfinc>	 awjr: preilly : what could be causing this?
[00:25:45] <tfinc>	 yuvi and jon aren't around so we'll have to tackle this
[00:26:04] <awjr>	 wow. preilly, tfinc i just quadruple checked on sarah's iphone and JA is rendering fine there as well - i cannot replicate the problem
[00:26:13] <awjr>	 which suggests to me this is probably a caching issue
[00:26:25] <tfinc>	 awjr: can you try it in a brand new android emulator
[00:26:43] <awjr>	 ah sure i'll have to set it upt
[00:27:26] <tfinc>	 preilly: whats your thought on this?
[00:27:51] <preilly>	 tfinc: it appears the varnish cache is bad
[00:28:28] <awjr>	 it appears binasher is not around. can someone else flush it?
[00:29:09] <preilly>	 awjr: okay it should be fixed now
[00:29:11] <awjr>	 btw tfinc preilly, i did *not* ask anyone to flush the varnish cache after i pushed the fix out this am, i didn't even think about it.
[00:29:15] <preilly>	 awjr: http://ja.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E3%82%AC%E3%82%A4%E3%83%89%E3%83%96%E3%83%83%E3%82%AF
[00:29:35] <awjr>	 preilly: thanks, still looks fine to me :p
[00:29:38] <preilly>	 awjr: yeah, well it needed to be
[00:29:44] <awjr>	 roger.
[00:29:45] <tfinc>	 fixed for me
[00:29:50] <awjr>	 does it need to be after EVERY deployment?
[00:30:05] <tfinc>	 its really bad that this was broken all day
[00:30:17] <tfinc>	 i wonder why you were able to replicate it awjr
[00:30:20] <tfinc>	 weren't*
[00:30:25] <tfinc>	 hey jdlrobson
[00:30:51] <awjr>	 preilly: does the varnish cache need to be flushed after every single deployment?
[00:32:03] <tfinc>	 so the only remaining issue that i can see is the the app is not using the localized strings for "show/expand"
[00:33:13] <awjr>	 preilly: and if so, who else besides asher can do it? is there some way we can get out of that dependency?
[00:35:38] * awjr  listens to the crickets chirp

[00:35:46] <tfinc>	 preilly: --^
[00:37:06] <tfinc>	 ok .. bug filed for the missing localizations https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=35105
[00:37:41] <tfinc>	 jdlrobson: you around to debug ?
[00:39:20] <awjr>	 tfinc: i heard yuvi chattering about it earlier but i wasn't paying much attention. iirc i think he put a fix in trunk for the app(s)
[00:39:44] <tfinc>	 it would have been good of him to mail about this kind of breaking change
[00:39:57] <tfinc>	 to give everyone not monitoring irc a heads up
[00:42:44] <awjr>	 tfinc: im not familiar with the app code base but it looks like yuvi checked something into git for localizing the buttons this afternoon: https://github.com/wikimedia/WikipediaMobile/pull/168.patch
[00:47:24] <tfinc>	 awjr: yeah, that looks like it
[00:48:04] <tfinc>	 its bad that we didn't coordinate this change better
[00:48:08] <tfinc>	 but this is how we learn
[00:48:54] <awjr>	 indeed - it was a big deployment with lots of new people's fingers in the pot
[00:49:40] <tfinc>	 so as far as i see it. both the beta and the market version are no longer localized and won't be localized until we push a fix
[00:49:51] <tfinc>	 we can 1) wait on a market push
[00:49:59] <tfinc>	 2) push an emergency 1.0.4
[00:50:03] <awjr>	 i dunno how show/hide was handled previously, but i also didn't even realize application.js in MobileFrontend is also used by the apps
[00:50:23] <tfinc>	 we would have to wait for translation of course
[00:50:38] <tfinc>	 preilly: are there other options that i'm not considering ?
[00:55:26] <tfinc>	 Ryan_Lane: is preilly around ?
[00:57:49] <awjr>	 tfinc: i was planning on signing off about now but do you need me to stick around?
[01:01:08] <preilly>	 tfinc: np
[01:01:12] <preilly>	 tfinc: no
[01:02:37] <preilly>	 hmm
[01:02:44] <preilly>	 I'm thinking
[01:02:57] <tfinc>	 awjr: i think were fine for now
[01:02:59] <tfinc>	 preilly: thanks
[01:03:14] <preilly>	 so, is the android app broken currently?
[01:05:19] <tfinc>	 preilly: yes, its only showing english text for show/collapse
[01:05:58] <preilly>	 tfinc: I think we will need to push a new version
[01:10:14] <awjr>	 ok im off then. have a great weekend everyone
[01:13:56] <maplebed>	 tfinc: where are you and why aren't you here?
[01:14:26] <tfinc>	 philinje: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Universal_Language_Selector_Mobile
[01:14:32] <tfinc>	 maplebed: i'm in a meeting in R37
[01:14:36] <tfinc>	 won't be out for another 15min
[01:14:58] <maplebed>	 k.
[01:15:00] <maplebed>	 fine.
[10:06:22] * awjr  waves at yuvipanda

[10:06:32] <yuvipanda>	 awjr: someone's up late
[10:06:37] <yuvipanda>	 or i've your timezone wrong
[10:06:44] <awjr>	 heheh no, up llate
[10:06:51] <awjr>	 can't sleep
[10:06:58] <yuvipanda>	 :D
[10:07:16] <awjr>	 bad stuff happening in a city i used to live in in mexico
[10:07:28] <yuvipanda>	 awjr: drug cartel based stuff?
[10:07:32] <awjr>	 yeah
[10:07:44] <yuvipanda>	 you have friends/family around there still?
[10:07:52] <awjr>	 yeah, lots of friends
[10:08:13] <yuvipanda>	 ugh.
[10:08:43] <awjr>	 apparently 25 vehicles were blown up/burned in the city earlier today - one of them was a bus basically in front of the apartment sarah and i were living in
[10:09:20] <yuvipanda>	 :|
[10:09:31] <yuvipanda>	 is that common/something people know how to deal with?
[10:09:50] <yuvipanda>	 awjr: were you able to get in touch with your friends?
[10:10:13] <awjr>	 well, this kind of stuff has been going on for a while in a lot of parts of mexico, but this kind of violence is relatively new in this particular city - Guadalajara
[10:10:30] <awjr>	 yeah - everyone is fine
[10:10:43] <awjr>	 just trying to stay inside
[10:11:29] <awjr>	 when i was living there two years ago, it seemed like one of the few big cities in mexico that hadn't seen a lot of the cartel violence
[10:11:44] <yuvipanda>	 sigh
[10:11:56] <awjr>	 about a year afte we left, things started to happen, but i think this is the worst it's been there
[10:12:02] * yuvipanda  sends some good wishes their way

[10:12:08] <yuvipanda>	 awjr: is there ever even hope of it stopping?
[10:12:16] <awjr>	 thanks :)
[10:12:32] <awjr>	 who knows - everyone i've talked to there has no faith in the government to do anything about it
[10:12:56] <awjr>	 everyone's told me they feel like the cartels have held all the power in mexico for the last few years
[10:13:52] <yuvipanda>	 will they naturally end at all?
[10:14:02] <yuvipanda>	 I remember reading the US is trying to help get rid of the cartels, etc?
[10:14:29] <awjr>	 i don't know - things just seem to keep getting worse
[10:15:11] <awjr>	 it's crazy, it's all of the cartels fighting each other as well as the mexican government
[10:15:34] <awjr>	 im not sure the US really could do anything, at least militarily
[10:16:07] <yuvipanda>	 sigh
[10:16:30] <yuvipanda>	 that must suck - it is an order of magnitude worse than living in corruption
[10:16:51] <awjr>	 heh well it's both
[10:16:55] <yuvipanda>	 true!
[10:17:43] <yuvipanda>	 awjr: how corrupt is the US?
[10:17:54] <awjr>	 hahaha good question
[10:17:58] <awjr>	 depends on who you ask :p
[10:18:09] <yuvipanda>	 you? :P
[10:19:31] <awjr>	 imho pretty corrupt, but i think it manifests differently here than it does in places like india or mexico; in a way that is less obvious to your average person
[10:20:12] <yuvipanda>	 hmm, so no cops picking you up for minor traffic violations and demanding cash
[10:20:20] <yuvipanda>	 but at much higher levels involving much higher amounts of money?
[10:20:25] <awjr>	 and i also think it really depends on the city/state - some are more overtly corrupt than others
[10:20:32] <awjr>	 yeah, exactly
[10:20:58] <yuvipanda>	 yes, reddit does tend to give one lots of (possibly skewed?) information about US politics
[10:21:05] <yuvipanda>	 but the thing that surprises me the most
[10:21:08] <yuvipanda>	 is that people seem to not care
[10:21:22] <yuvipanda>	 not much difference wherever.
[10:21:41] <awjr>	 i think part of it is because people don't feel like it directly affects them
[10:22:09] <yuvipanda>	 true - it is much easier to outrage over paying 100 rupees because your licence plate was of the wrong color
[10:22:16] <awjr>	 exactly
[10:23:10] <awjr>	 ah well, im going to try and go to sleep
[10:23:12] <awjr>	 talk to you later
[10:23:23] <yuvipanda>	 :)
[10:23:25] <yuvipanda>	 awjr: gnite!
[10:23:36] <awjr>	 good afternoon :p
[11:59:15] * shravan  waves to everyone

[12:00:41] <shravan>	 yuvipanda: what is the work for today ?
[12:02:14] <yuvipanda>	 heya shravan
[12:02:56] <shravan>	 yuvipanda: what you working on ?
[12:03:16] <yuvipanda>	 shravan: most of the 1.1 bugs have been fixed \o/
[12:03:20] <shravan>	 yuvipanda: were you able to pull in the spinner code ?
[12:03:27] <shravan>	 yuvipanda: super cool :)
[12:03:33] <yuvipanda>	 shravan: yes, I did!
[12:03:37] <shravan>	 yuvipanda: cool
[12:03:51] <shravan>	 yuvipanda: are there any other bugs which need looking into ?
[12:03:56] <yuvipanda>	 shravan: so we'd want to start working on post 1.1 stuff.
[12:03:59] <yuvipanda>	 shravan: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=33913
[12:04:00] <yuvipanda>	 ?
[12:04:15] * shravan  is checking the bug report

[12:06:41] <shravan>	 yuvipanda: let me try reproducing this on my phone
[12:06:51] <yuvipanda>	 shravan: okay!
[12:09:17] <shravan>	 yuvipanda: ehh the external links section is broken :(
[12:09:27] <yuvipanda>	 shravan: ?
[12:09:35] <yuvipanda>	 external links don't open?
[12:09:56] <yuvipanda>	 shravan: did you run make remotes today? if you did, things would be broken :)
[12:09:57] <shravan>	 they expand but the rendering is completely messed up
[12:10:01] <yuvipanda>	 oh
[12:10:10] <yuvipanda>	 two column attempts?
[12:11:14] <shravan>	 let me just check some other article
[12:11:26] <yuvipanda>	 shravan: okay
[12:11:42] <yuvipanda>	 1s restarting network
[12:12:48] <shravan>	 yuvipanda: the problem was with the article I think. Others are rendering correctly :)
[12:12:59] <yuvipanda>	 ah, okay
[12:13:00] <yuvipanda>	 which one?
[12:13:08] <shravan>	 trench warfare :
[12:13:09] <shravan>	 :P
[12:13:46] <yuvipanda>	 ah :D
[12:15:12] <yuvipanda>	 shravan: i see http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trench_warfare
[12:15:17] <yuvipanda>	 very broken even in the MF version
[12:15:22] <yuvipanda>	 you might want to file a bug for that
[12:16:39] <shravan>	 the same thing is happening for the "cat" article also in "external links" section
[12:18:26] <shravan>	 yuvipanda: the links are working even if the reference section is not expanded
[12:18:44] <shravan>	 the only problem is that they are small, which means i have to click them 10 times to open :)
[12:20:41] <yuvipanda>	 shravan: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Mobile_design/Reference_reveal
[12:20:48] <yuvipanda>	 is what they're going to be into
[12:20:51] <yuvipanda>	 *made into
[12:23:32] <shravan>	 yuvipanda: is the stop button bug fixed ?
[12:23:39] <yuvipanda>	 which one?
[12:24:39] <shravan>	 when I am reading an article, I click on some link accidentally. I want to stop the navigation however the stop button does nothing. Even if I click it I still land on the new page and the spinner does not stop spinning
[12:24:51] <yuvipanda>	 shravan: hmm
[12:27:09] <yuvipanda>	 shravan: let me check
[12:27:18] <yuvipanda>	 shravan: is there a bugfix for this?
[12:27:42] <shravan>	 yuvipanda: no, can you check if the same is happening with you. If yes then i can get to work on this
[12:28:46] <yuvipanda>	 shravan: yup, can reproduce
[12:29:14] <shravan>	 yuvipanda: ok I will try to fix this one
[12:29:35] <shravan>	 yuvipanda: because its quite irritating sometimes :) when you cannot cancel the action
[12:30:49] <yuvipanda>	 shravan: cool :)
[12:31:24] <shravan>	 yuvipanda: should i do a git pull or run make remote ?
[12:31:59] <yuvipanda>	 shravan: don't do a make remote
[12:32:13] <shravan>	 yuvipanda: cool
[13:37:54] <shravan>	 yuvipanda: my friend was asking why we don't make apps for Black Berry ?
[13:38:06] <yuvipanda>	 shravan: we sortof do. brion merged in playbook support a few days ago :)
[13:38:15] <yuvipanda>	 and he's hacking away on getting it to work fully there :)
[13:38:39] <shravan>	 yuvipanda: ahh super awesome
[13:39:12] <yuvipanda>	 shravan: :)
[14:18:30] <shravan>	 yuvipanda: i will head for dinner. Will get to work once i reach home cya
[14:19:04] <yuvipanda>	 shravan: thanks!
[14:19:05] <yuvipanda>	 cya