[00:00:07] preilly: just noticed binasher signed off - did he leave for the day? [00:01:03] awjr: yes [00:01:15] preilly: will someone else be able to flush the varnish cache? [00:01:50] awjr: can Ryan_Lane do it? [00:01:57] awjr: also, do we need it? [00:02:26] * Ryan_Lane groans [00:02:26] preilly: im not entirely sure if we do - the footer links have changed [00:02:31] is that enough to require it? [00:02:33] I can do it... [00:02:40] it would be nice if I didn't have to :) [00:02:56] get to work on that :D [00:02:56] Ryan_Lane: ok thanks - hang on a minute [00:03:14] once this scap is done we can dbl check if it's necessary [00:03:25] this is like.. the longest running scap ever [00:04:48] Ryan_Lane: NOTED [00:04:56] :) [00:05:08] hold on, let me open a bug for that, and set the priority to highest [00:06:31] ok preilly, i am enabling zero rated everywhere now [00:06:39] awjr: okay, coolio [00:06:48] 'wmgZeroRatedMobileAccess' => array( [00:06:48] - 'default' => false, [00:06:48] - 'enwiki' => false, [00:06:48] - 'testwiki' => true, [00:06:48] - 'mswiki' => true, [00:06:48] + 'default' => true, [00:06:49] ), [00:07:15] awjr: yeaper [00:07:32] done [00:07:40] awjr: coolio [00:07:47] awjr: it seems to be working [00:07:54] awjr: THANKS! [00:08:02] preilly jdlrobson MobileFrontend deployments are done, please dbl check things are working right [00:08:08] and whether or not we need the varnish cache flushage [00:08:08] yep noticed [00:08:10] looks good to me [00:08:21] had a bit of weirdness with caching but seems to be gone now [00:09:56] it doesnt seem like the squid acl asher set is working right [00:09:57] preilly [00:10:25] o [00:10:53] i wonder if it's because the cookie the ACL is looking for is literally mf_useformat not {$wgCookiePrefix}mf_useformat [00:11:01] awjr: yeah [00:11:02] but you can see the problem on en.m.wikipedia.org in mobiel view [00:11:04] awjr: that is the issue [00:11:05] clicking desktop view [00:11:11] ok yeah you see it. [00:11:29] so preilly, better to change the cookie in code to be just 'mf_useformat'? [00:11:43] awjr: probably the safest route [00:11:47] doing it now [00:13:26] awjr: I'm leaving [00:13:36] awjr: need anything else from preilly before he runs ? [00:13:38] awjr: but, you can text me at (415) 894-2393 if you need me [00:13:49] preilly: one sec [00:14:02] preilly: can you wait til i get this fix out? [00:14:15] http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/114220 [00:15:40] ok'ed it [00:15:51] preilly: just pushed it [00:16:03] awjr: how does it look [00:16:25] preilly: broken. [00:16:31] the ACL does not appear to be working right [00:17:40] awjr: hmm [00:18:17] also i must've missed something when renaming the cookie because cookie handling is wonky [00:19:13] probably because $wgRequest->getCookie() is looking for $wgCookiePrefix . 'mf_useformat' [00:19:30] awjr: yeah [00:19:32] preilly: should i revert the cookie changes from prod and coordinate with asher tomorrow? [00:19:45] awjr: I think so [00:19:57] awjr: just the cookie stuff? [00:19:58] ok this is going to take a bit to track down all the revs [00:20:11] tfinc: just so you know http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia#refanimation:slide%20refspeed:4000 on the beta turns slide animation on with speed 4000ms, http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia#refanimation:none%20refspeed:1000 turns off animations [00:20:15] awjr: can you just roll back [00:20:22] preilly yeah [00:20:29] feel free to roll the whole change back [00:20:35] its better to get back to a known state [00:20:37] we can try again tomorrow [00:20:40] yeah that's the easiest and quickets [00:20:44] *quickest [00:20:44] and include johns last set of changes [00:20:47] no worries [00:20:52] we'll get it done tomorrow [00:21:40] jdlrobson this way we can get your changes in too [00:22:01] ok scap'ing back to r113973 [00:22:07] k [00:22:08] ok ill push those first thing tomo then sleep now [00:22:18] sorry jdlrobson, thanks for your help today! [00:28:11] ok, scap is still going on. but meanwhile, i've reverted all the MFT revs for the deployment and i'll update the RT ticket with the issue [00:28:18] thanks for your help preilly [00:28:18] k [00:28:44] tomorrow looks wide open for deployments [00:29:36] tfinc: i'll schedule for same time tomorrow [00:29:48] i can't do any earlier on account of fundraising office hours [00:31:21] scap seems to take longer and longer every time i deploy [00:32:17] im off to bed [00:32:18] night guys [00:36:05] awjr: i'm sure preilly can help you out [00:36:33] tfinc: you mean with the deployment tomorrow? [00:36:41] yeah [00:37:04] for sure, i suppose we can coordinate when he's back online tomorrow [00:38:34] in the meantime im gonna schedule for same time tomorrow so we ahve the spot blocked out [00:38:43] good thinking [00:40:23] i'm tinkering around with the latest changes on jons site .. this looks really nice guys [00:45:28] +1 [00:45:30] :D [00:45:42] i can't wait to push out 1.1 so I can start moving/reusing those things in the app [00:46:11] tfinc: Unless any major new issues turn up, I think we should be good for our scheduled thursday afternoon deadline :) [00:48:19] and an RC on Tuesday evening [00:58:59] YuviPanda: woot! [00:59:07] we'll fix a lot of bad reviews in the markets then [00:59:21] also .. our next release needs to be way smaller [00:59:25] this one was too big [00:59:28] too many features [00:59:31] we need to cut back [00:59:37] +1 [00:59:44] but more than way too many features [00:59:51] I think it was the fact that we're syncing iOS + Android [00:59:58] we also fixed a lot of bugs [00:59:59] we need to be able to release in under a two week period [01:00:04] but I'd suggest a 2 week release [01:00:05] oh for sure [01:00:07] and cut features to make it [01:00:08] i'm happy that we did it [01:00:09] +1 [01:00:17] cut cut cut until you do it in 2 weeks [01:00:18] thankfully we have no rush for 1.2 [01:00:30] as the language debate is still raging [01:01:08] tfinc: well, if we go to 2 week release cycles, we'll have much smaller things going out per relaes [01:01:15] I don't see language selection going out with 1.2 [01:01:29] YuviPanda: what do you see in 1.2 tentatively ? [01:01:37] more of Max's API changes + some of Jon's new UI (Reference reveal + collapsible sections) [01:01:47] the former is super important for mobilefrontend [01:02:04] it means that they can change the non beta html, etc to their liking without having to worry about breaking the App [01:02:13] YuviPanda: yes. max has been blocked on any future work by out testing [01:02:27] thats another reason why i don't want to move to any new features for 1.2 [01:02:40] yes, so these wouldn't really be new features as such [01:02:47] exactly [01:02:51] Infact, I think 1.2 should be just those two [01:02:58] so my plan for your dev is to spend it on testing the new api [01:03:01] and tiny fixes [01:03:15] sounds about right! [01:03:22] that way you can also start helping out with mobile front end work [01:03:45] plus id also like you to find some time to do the community testing for jessie [01:04:09] ah yes, that as well. [01:04:15] need to deploy on labs [01:05:33] tfinc: also, we still haven't figured out whose account the fb app is going to be registered in [01:05:40] am testing things around with mine [01:05:48] but obviously that's not ideal [01:06:02] YuviPanda: i'll do it on mine [01:06:18] you'll just have to tell me what to setup [01:06:25] tfinc: yes, that I can do :) [01:09:51] almost time for me to head out [01:09:58] anyone need anything from me before i do? [01:10:47] tfinc: enjoy your evening :) [01:10:58] awjr: need anything before i go ? [01:11:12] tfinc no im good [01:11:16] have a good one [01:11:38] seeya gents [07:40:46] preilly: you around ? [07:43:33] hmm .. this is no good https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=35352 [07:43:54] anyone around who can handle it ? [08:01:11] tfinc i think i know how to fix it but i dont know how to deploy [08:01:27] how complicated is the change? [08:02:52] https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/attachment.cgi?id=10287&action=diff [08:03:00] but i dont know the code that well [08:03:34] deploying that would be pretty easy [08:03:37] and i have access [08:03:41] but whether it has any side effects i dont know [08:03:46] yeah [08:04:41] but i think any side effects this might cause would be better than not showing this banner [08:05:12] i thought we rolled back yesterday? [08:05:28] * tfinc takes a look at the extension to see if he can see any side effects [08:06:13] i dont think there are [08:06:44] this should only happen when X-CARRIER header is set correct? [08:06:57] yes [08:07:27] and acceptBilling is for when you hit yes [08:08:42] arthur rolled back all the MF changes but kept all the Zero changes as they weren't showing issues [08:08:52] notes here http://wikitech.wikimedia.org/view/Server_admin_log [08:10:03] lets see if i can get my svn trees current enough to push this update [08:10:03] ok thanks [08:13:56] ugh .. my trees are still updating. i'm going to update it right on fenari and see what tests look like [08:14:09] test link : http://test.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=File:Die_Wiesem%C3%BCndung_Stich_von_Matth%C3%A4us_Merian_d._%C3%84..jpg&useformat=mobile [08:14:13] * tfinc goes to change it [08:17:20] take a look at http://bit.ly/GAxQiJ and let me know if you still see it [08:18:41] that link sends me to a non-file page [08:18:58] expand the Geschichte section [08:19:01] you'll images there [08:19:09] it takes me to the desktop site :S [08:19:18] but the mobile view doesn't show the banner.. [08:19:36] good. that means your patch is working on test [08:21:27] if you check in your change then i can pick it up on the deployment branch and properly deploy this [08:22:00] ok commit [08:23:36] arghh ive got a readonly version [08:23:36] 1s [08:26:21] k [08:26:31] let me know when you have it and i'll merge [08:26:55] thankfully things have changed much since i did this last http://wikitech.wikimedia.org/view/How_to_deploy_code [08:28:43] arrggh i dont have permission [08:29:04] tfinc: ^ [08:29:15] lame [08:29:17] do you? [08:29:21] let me see [08:29:29] ill pm you what my commit message was going to be [08:38:33] hey preilly you about? [08:45:16] since preilly is responding lets give this a couple of minutes [08:45:38] but baring him saying that this will break things .. all i have to do is run sync-file to push this out [08:47:58] preilly responded. he's ok with the change [08:53:05] pushed? [08:53:23] done [08:54:27] im still getting it.. is there some caching going on? [08:54:28] i'm not seeing the warning anymore [08:54:46] nope [08:54:57] yep [08:55:01] caching related [08:55:07] http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:T_C_Derrick_141308.JPG i see it [08:55:10] but http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:T_C_Derrick_141308.JPG?r=4 not [08:55:33] agreed. it may take a couple of minutes for the caches to clear on this [08:55:43] so the core issue looks patched [08:55:53] preilly can review it tomorrow and adjust as needed [08:58:09] i resolved the bug [08:58:24] now i can get back to what i was really planning on doing [08:58:48] * tfinc notices that its 2am [08:59:24] awesome.. go sleep :) [08:59:46] i wish that i could … i need to write up some more notes for our budgeting process [09:00:15] since this blew up i likely won't get a chance to draft up the blog post [09:00:25] feel free to start it jdlrobson [09:00:36] you should get your first tech blog post :) [09:00:46] once we deploy tomorrow we can take some good screenshots [09:03:58] ok will start something later today [09:04:06] im gonna go take a shower now :) [10:29:37] MaxSem you there? [10:29:43] yup [10:30:28] ive messed up and im trying to revert a commit [10:30:30] i thought it was svn merge -r 114245:114240 [10:30:36] but it doesn't seem to be working for me [10:30:45] been a while since ive done this [10:30:50] I use TortoiseSVN ;) [10:31:12] doh [10:31:28] could you revert commit 114245 if that's easy for you? [10:31:35] :P [10:31:39] i dont know what's going on here and i have to pop out in a bit [10:33:35] * MaxSem had never understood the need of command-line tools in presence of appropriate GUI tools [10:34:23] thanks MaxSem [13:46:42] jdlrobson: because we're scheduled to release on thursday :) [13:46:48] don't want to introduce new features this late [13:46:58] ok . that makes sense :) [13:47:04] ill pull that a bit later [13:47:08] im on a train at the moment [13:47:09] sure! [13:47:48] feel free to merge https://github.com/wikimedia/WikipediaMobile/pull/180 as I have no idea what's going on there and would only be taking your word for it :) [13:48:01] also the QT stuff - care to explain it to me? [13:48:11] jdlrobson: ah, so that's porting our code to qt based platforms [13:48:16] which right now is only the Nokia N9 [13:48:45] jdlrobson: ah, okay :) that pull req also has some js parts you might want to look over for style. Will merge [13:49:33] the only line i dont like is if(!window.plugins) window.plugins = {}; [13:49:44] in TwitterPlugin.js [13:49:56] well, that seems to be standard on most pg plugins? [13:49:59] what would you suggest? [13:50:01] I'd prefer if(!window.plugins) { \nwindow.plugins = {};\n} [13:50:05] ah [13:50:07] in terms of style [13:50:08] the lack of braces [13:50:08] yes [13:50:15] let me change/fix that. [13:51:28] tunnel! [15:55:24] greetings all [15:56:58] nice write up http://bradfrostweb.com/blog/web/responsive-web-design-missing-the-point/ [15:57:00] jdlrobson: --^ [16:00:31] jdlrobson: ready to meet? [16:01:03] yes [16:03:07] Hello all ! I am a beginner android developer and would like to develop an app for wiki for the GSOC. I read the project ideas on the GSOC page but did not understand the app fully [16:03:13] maybe someone can help? [16:03:32] hello arkiver [16:04:09] yuvipanda, hello ! [16:05:02] have you seen our current app? [16:05:04] muppet.wikia.com [16:05:44] arkiver: have you checked out the current app? [16:06:45] I wasn't aware of the current app. but i came to know about it when i was surfing on the ideas page. [16:07:40] jdlrobson: http://blog.wikimedia.org/2011/12/02/mobile-full-screen-search/ [16:08:13] jdlrobson: http://blog.wikimedia.org/2011/10/27/wikimedia-mobile-opt-in-beta/ [16:08:14] arkiver: you should try it out :) [16:08:55] yuvipanda, doing it now! Maybe i can extend it to add functionality!? [16:09:12] arkiver: not a bad idea! [16:11:05] yuvipanda, i'll play around with it maybe [16:11:22] arkiver: yes! [16:11:28] also talk to sumanah on #mediawiki - she's our GSoC admin [16:12:56] yuvipanda, Maybe i can add a feature to open tabbed windows in the app on long pressing a hyperlink? [16:13:11] yuvipanda, yep ill ping her :) thanks alot :) [16:14:09] sumanah doesn't seems to be online. Ill catch her after a while maybe :) [16:15:06] arkiver: yes! [16:15:12] arkiver: and i'd suggest first checking out the current app [16:15:35] hi, tfinc I just saw the ad for the Series40 app http://hire.jobvite.com/Jobvite/job.aspx?j=ohAhWfwO&b=nqtsKhwR [16:15:50] question: is Nokia involved in the financing of this? [16:16:00] actually the question is: [16:16:25] Can I help in any way finding funds for this activity or is it all setllet already? [16:16:38] settled [16:16:48] yuvipanda, yes i am looking at the current app just now and i noticed it dint have a feature for opening in tabs (i'm used to opening everything in tabs) [16:16:51] so thought of it! [16:17:58] Actually I wanted an opinion whether it would be a desirable extension to the app.. ? [16:18:12] arkiver: :) well, personally not. [16:18:45] arkiver: there are plenty of other things we've on the mobile roadmap though. [16:19:04] yuvipanda, oh... [16:19:17] really? can you suggest me something ? [16:19:44] arkiver: tfinc or philinje would be the best people for that, once they're out of their calls [16:19:46] I'm still in the learning phase of android dev [16:19:58] arkiver: in the meantime, i suggest you dig around our app and solve a few bugs to get yourself familiar with the code [16:20:20] yuvipanda, alright :) [16:20:45] yuvipanda, your blog is pretty neat :) [16:20:52] arkiver: oooh, thanks :D [16:22:49] welcome arkiver ! [16:23:30] tfinc, :) [16:23:46] qgil: we did talk to nokia about supporting this but that proved the be more difficult to manage then expected [16:24:42] tfinc: hum, lemme check here. I'll let you know if there is some progress. [16:24:51] k [16:25:07] tfinc: was the problem the usual NDA-based Nokia process or something else? [16:25:27] if you can give me the names of the people you talked to it will save me time [16:25:45] yuvipanda: i've noticed that the latest betas W and X icon become really pixelated while were loading a page [16:25:49] yuvipanda: do you see the same thing ? [16:25:56] qgil: kul would know [16:26:03] tfinc: hmm, no? [16:26:10] when loading a page as in only when loading a page? [16:26:25] btw tfinc & co: congratilations for the large list if idlers in this channel! If you remember, a year ago... :) [16:26:32] haha [16:26:35] yes [16:26:38] we've grown [16:26:38] ok, I'll email kul [16:27:19] so tfinc the muppet wiki fixed positioning behaves the same as far as i'm concerned unless i've misunderstood you (a touch start event doesn't make the banner move) [16:27:23] hey qgil [16:27:50] Hi kul - you here! [16:28:31] kul: if you give me the names of your Nokia contacts ref Series40 app I might be able to help moving some funding forward - if you want that funding of course [16:28:50] how goes it? hey…I had an intern here try to find me more info on the worldwide S40 and S60 breakdown. I met with him this morning and Nokia won't tell him anything. Where can I get this data? [16:28:51] yuvipanda: yeah, its right when an article is loading [16:29:06] yuvipanda: suddenly both icons get slightly pixelated [16:29:18] "Nokia won't tell" doesn't help me. Give me names, please [16:29:30] tfinc: hmm, let me poke at it [16:29:39] tfinc yuvipanda : I migrated the existing bug report for the pixelated X icon to Wikipeda App [16:29:43] yuvipanda: let me take a screenshot [16:29:51] qgil: recently we've been dealing with Nokia India. I've gotta get to a meeting. I'll follow-up with you [16:29:55] pfhayes: yeah, i saw. thanks [16:30:14] kul Nokia India, when the people that can give you all the info (and funding) are in Sunnyvale??? [16:30:26] Jeffrey Rufus [16:30:44] kul, you have my email please explain what you need [16:31:27] will do. catch up w/ you soon [16:33:24] ok kul, no idea how you got to Jeffrey - you had Houman Forood as Nokia contact for Series40, I could also have helped... Anyway, not too late if we can still find a budget to cover that job request for a contractor [16:33:29] yuvipanda: http://bug-attachment.wikimedia.org/attachment.cgi?id=10290 [16:33:33] notice the W and the X [16:33:52] wah [16:33:53] i do [16:33:56] the problem goes away after the page finishes loading [16:34:06] but it looks fugly as its happening [16:34:16] hmm, points to our switch from animated gif to css animation for loading spinner causing issues [16:34:23] let me poke at it right after i am done with fb [16:34:50] yuvipanda: k. the animation is really nice so hopefully we can keep it :) [16:35:22] :D [16:39:27] tfinc: what's the correct name for the ID you need to get someone's phone to run the iphone beta app? a friend of mine is interested in trying it out. [16:39:35] UDID [16:40:13] and here are some easy ways at finding it http://www.innerfence.com/howto/find-iphone-unique-device-identifier-udid [16:40:23] sweet. [16:41:51] rootin also helps, no? :P [16:43:18] :D [17:02:42] tfinc: do you have a second [17:02:59] preilly: doing a phone screen so i'll be distracted [17:03:02] preilly: whats up? [17:03:50] tfinc: oh, just stop by after [17:15:56] preilly, does vumi split content to messages automatically? cause sms_content = content[:250] looks wrong [17:30:29] OuKB: I think it's only that way for testing on the jabber instance [17:45:10] preilly is there any way aboutLink() can generate the text 'About' rather than 'About Wikipedia' as a label..? context = http://mobile-geo.wmflabs.org/w/index.php/San_Francisco?useformat=mobile&mobileaction=opt_in_mobile_site (footer) [17:46:25] tfinc: http://www.flickr.com/photos/yuvi/6854322464/in/set-72157629263654614 thought you might like [17:46:41] yuvipanda: awesome [17:46:55] i heart #6 [17:46:58] :D [17:47:07] morse code? [17:47:20] but i don't see base64 .. where is it? [17:47:20] there'ah [17:47:22] base 64 [17:47:22] yes [17:47:27] from the bottom [17:47:28] centerish [17:47:35] Z3Nhd.. [17:47:37] ends in == [17:47:58] ahh i see it now [17:48:15] jdlrobson: where is aboutLink()? [17:48:30] in FooterTemplate [17:48:32] from the skin [17:48:33] $aboutLink = $skin->aboutLink(); [17:49:06] tfinc: :) [17:49:19] there's also greek there - one of the tawiki contributors was learning greek alphabets in his spare time [17:50:16] jdlrobson: it's return $this->footerLink( 'aboutsite', 'aboutpage' ); [17:50:24] quite the WebM/Theora/H.264 debating raging on wikitech [17:50:35] jdlrobson: and private function footerLink ( $desc, $page ) {... [17:50:48] tfinc: was sad to see moz 'give in' [17:51:23] jdlrobson: so, without parsing the site name out I've got no idea [17:51:28] mm [17:51:30] that's annoying [17:51:41] jdlrobson: you could str_replace $wgSiteName with '' [17:51:46] also anyway to make http://mobile-geo.wmflabs.org/w/index.php/Bridal_Veil_Falls faster? [17:51:53] very slow server for me [17:52:09] preilly that could work but there is a danger i'll change the href as well no? [17:53:43] jdlrobson: does mobile geo have memcached installed and configured? [17:54:04] nope not installed so that would be a good starting point :) [17:54:19] jdlrobson: you would need to probably use a regular expression instead of a straight str replace [17:54:32] that sounds horrible [17:54:39] awjr: preilly feel free to increase the window for the mobile deployment today so that we don't have to stay super late [17:54:49] surely it would be better to change the function footerLink to take an argument for the label? [17:56:44] preilly, tfinc: the earliest i could realistically start actually deploying is probably 2pm PDT due to a combination of my fundraising office hours and needing time to work out the squid/cookie stuff. but preilly, if you want to get a jump on it, that's cool too [17:58:11] awjr, btw - you can deploy my latest fixes this time [18:00:36] awjr: we will probably need to wait until 2 anyways with the squid stuff etc [18:01:17] sure OuKB i think that should be fine [18:01:28] cool [18:01:41]