[00:00:06] usually 1-2 days for it to come back [00:00:08] tfinc: okay, cool [00:05:48] awjr: send a tweet from @WikimediaMobile that we've stabalized [00:06:00] and ask for feedback in case people still see issues [00:06:05] tfinc: k - login details? [00:06:12] awjr: on office wiki .. let me pm you the link [00:06:16] k [00:07:29] awjr: that way we have continuity with https://twitter.com/#!/WikimediaMobile/status/199926522361032704 [00:07:36] tfinc yup [00:10:45] * aude wonders who's doing all the tweeting? [00:16:39] * tfinc goes to test and file bugs for todays changes [00:20:11] awjr: anything lingering post deployment that i should know/triage/etc ? ... i'm going to spend some time testing [00:21:05] tfinc the only thing i've seen so far is on ICS - on the SF article, when i toggle some of the sections with images in them open, then close the section, the section closes but the image lingers for a second or so before disappearing [00:21:21] awjr: do we have an open bugs about it? [00:21:25] and toggling is just generally slow on very large articles for both 2.3.6 and 4.0.2 [00:21:36] lets get bugs open to track that [00:21:39] i blieve there's a bug open for slow toggling but not for the ICS issue i mentioned [00:22:20] also, YuviPanda had mentioned a scary bug on 4.0.4 where toggling on the SF article caused the native browser to crash [00:22:37] but i haven't been able to confirm or deny its continued existence. [00:23:49] k [00:24:35] binasher: https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/6618/ [00:25:02] binasher: I guess https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/6618/1/templates/varnish/mobile-frontend.inc.vcl.erb is a better link [00:26:26] preilly: the problem is the regex on line 74 [00:37:42] hmm that california gold rush bug is a weird one [00:51:31] tfinc: you there? [00:52:04] Thehelpfulone: yes but i'm going to be busy for a while. mail me if you have anything [00:52:45] just a quick question about this user testing website [00:52:50] I want to add annotations to the videos [00:52:59] do I need a username/password for this? [00:53:08] I tried to add it as a note but it didn't work [00:54:09] Thehelpfulone : i have no idea about that. philinje do you ? [00:56:04] could be http://www.usertesting.com/features "Take notes while you review videos to mark key learnings. Export to Excel for further analysis." [00:58:44] Thehelpfulone: it might be but i have no clue about how reviews work on that site. respond to phil on the thread and ask [00:58:49] i'm not a good person to answer that [00:58:53] ok [01:56:10] tfinc: we've got these http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Mobile_support_in_MediaWiki_core/status [08:39:03] [WikipediaMobile] jdlrobson pushed 2 new commits to master: http://git.io/rAJsHQ [08:39:03] [WikipediaMobile/master] Fixing the command since it's "git submodule" with no 's'. - Waynn Lue [08:39:03] [WikipediaMobile/master] Merge pull request #238 from waynn/patch-1 - Jon Robson [08:56:40] New patchset: Jdlrobson; "follow up to 2bc935f081082fe37c2bce1002a21fe5966a431f" [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/7038 [10:31:35] New patchset: MaxSem; "Integrate CssDetection into HtmlFormatter" [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/7042 [10:54:50] New patchset: Jdlrobson; "minor change to contact disclaimer" [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/7044 [10:55:44] New patchset: Jdlrobson; "scrollTo top of page only if no hash present" [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/7045 [10:55:45] New patchset: Jdlrobson; "hide address bar on focus of search (bug 36667)" [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/7046 [10:57:03] New patchset: Jdlrobson; "blackberry search box rendering" [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/7047 [11:11:57] New patchset: Jdlrobson; "don't float boxes on small screens (bug 36528)" [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/7050 [11:12:35] New patchset: Jdlrobson; "don't float boxes on small screens (bug 36528)" [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/7050 [11:12:41] New patchset: MaxSem; "Collision avoidance now that ApiQueryExtracts is in core" [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/7051 [12:02:56] Hallo. Does anybody know whether there is a good reason to have 6 identical messages in the Zero Rate Mobile Access? [12:02:58] http://translatewiki.net/w/i.php?title=Special%3ATranslate&taction=translate&group=ext-zeroratedmobileaccess&language=nl&limit=100&task=view [12:05:11] <^demon> Well they're identical right now. With country names like that, presumably the idea is that we can customize the messages on a per-country basis. [12:05:17] <^demon> But I'm just guessing. [12:23:21] yeh I suspect it's to be country specific [13:48:07] Hallo YuviPanda. Are you related to the Zero Rated thing? [13:48:44] aharoni: hello [13:48:51] aharoni: no, preilly is the one taking care fo that [13:48:52] *of [13:48:59] OK. [14:59:54] New patchset: Jdlrobson; "allow customisation of footer watermark (bug 35994)" [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/7058 [15:38:28] hi all, user testing videos are up on commons now https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Wikimedia_Mobile_videos [15:45:02] cool [15:46:19] though why publicize this embarrassment? [15:46:28] :P [16:09:56] Hi preilly. I've been told that you work with the Zero Rated thing. [16:10:14] Is there a good reason to have ~6 identical messages in the Zero Rate Mobile Access? [16:11:12] aharoni: they are placeholders at this point [16:11:19] aharoni: they will change soon [16:11:39] Cool, thank you. [16:12:26] preilly: could we not to use {{zero-rated-placeholder}} for them all for the time being? [16:12:41] that way there would only be one string for people to translate [16:14:46] jdlrobson: we could I suppose [16:18:43] New review: preilly; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master); V: 1 C: 2; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/7038 [16:18:45] Change merged: preilly; [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/7038 [16:19:35] New review: preilly; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master); V: 1 C: 2; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/7042 [16:19:37] Change merged: preilly; [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/7042 [16:20:23] New review: preilly; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master); V: 1 C: 2; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/7044 [16:20:25] Change merged: preilly; [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/7044 [16:21:14] New review: preilly; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master); V: 1 C: 2; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/7045 [16:21:16] Change merged: preilly; [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/7045 [16:21:43] New review: preilly; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master); V: 1 C: 2; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/7046 [16:21:45] Change merged: preilly; [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/7046 [16:22:20] jdlrobson: trailing space https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/7047/1/stylesheets/blackberry.css [16:22:44] New review: preilly; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master); V: 1 C: 2; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/7050 [16:22:46] Change merged: preilly; [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/7050 [16:23:32] New review: preilly; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master); V: 1 C: 2; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/7058 [16:23:34] Change merged: preilly; [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/7058 [16:24:04] jdlrobson: we should have a deployment note regarding https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/7058/ and $wgMFCustomLogos [16:24:54] New review: preilly; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master); V: 1 C: 2; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/7051 [16:24:56] Change merged: preilly; [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/7051 [16:26:35] jdlrobson: also does it make sense to always update the minified file when you touch a source js file? [16:28:02] no that would be far too messy diffs wise [16:28:10] i don't like the minified js in the codebase full stop :) [16:28:30] at least in the current situation when we do minify it gives an idea of stability and a release [16:29:01] jdlrobson: okay [16:29:16] jdlrobson: can you please fix the trailing space in https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/7047/1/stylesheets/blackberry.css [16:29:22] sure [16:29:25] i'm getting sloppy obviously [16:29:49] jdlrobson: not quite [16:31:25] New patchset: Jdlrobson; "blackberry search box rendering" [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/7047 [16:31:43] New review: preilly; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master); V: 1 C: 2; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/7047 [16:31:46] Change merged: preilly; [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/7047 [16:31:54] jdlrobson: thanks [16:32:24] jdlrobson: I'd really like to see most of those changes go out ASAP [16:32:39] * jdlrobson is likely the daily deployment schedule :) [16:34:09] New patchset: preilly; "Update minified javascript" [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/7059 [16:34:18] jdlrobson: can you approve ^^ [16:34:33] i can +1 [16:34:46] New review: Jdlrobson; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master) C: 1; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/7059 [16:34:51] seems strange +1 ing minified js :) [16:35:05] i suppose technically i should be minifying it myself and checking it is the same [16:35:08] New review: preilly; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master); V: 1 C: 2; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/7059 [16:35:10] Change merged: preilly; [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/7059 [16:35:30] jdlrobson: yeah [16:35:54] jdlrobson: that is why I wondered if it made sense to update it more often when js source files change [16:36:05] jdlrobson: even though that isn't a good long term solution at all [16:37:32] * jdlrobson is looking into bug 36681 and bug 33649 [16:38:06] jdlrobson: S60 search stuff, fixed on opera mini, not yet on stock browser though :( [16:38:22] :( slowllly getting there [16:38:34] Indeed, there was someone on twitter asking me if it is possible to go back to the old skin [16:38:40] that always hurts :( [16:38:41] yeh i saw yuvipanda [16:38:48] i couldn't replicate though [16:39:09] awjr, https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/7048/ [16:39:31] I've started with large chunks:) [16:40:43] hello [16:40:43] yuvipanda: does your android 4.0.4 browser still crash on the san francisco article on enwiki? [16:41:04] awjr: haven't tried since today's deployment, let me check [16:41:07] MaxSem: https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/7048/1/tests/phpunit/includes/HtmlFormatterTest.php trailing whitespace [16:41:41] preilly, it's a copy+paste [16:41:55] I haven't modified this file [16:42:09] MaxSem: well just fix the trailing whitespace in both places [16:42:10] well whaddayaknow [16:42:17] awjr: it freezes the browser for about 5-7 seconds [16:42:20] before opening it [16:42:22] doesn't crash though [16:42:34] might be because i just turned it on, while it had other apps running y'day [16:44:02] awjr1: not sure if you got my other messages [16:44:08] it freezes the browser for about 5-7 seconds [16:44:12] before expanding the section [16:44:14] doesn't crash though [16:44:17] dang [16:44:21] jdlrobson ^ [16:44:25] might be because I just turned it on, while it had other things running in the background y'day [16:44:28] let me try the app [16:44:34] and see if it exhibits similar behavior [16:44:50] yuvipanda we made some changes in production yesterday afternoon (pst) that might have resolved the issue [16:44:54] awjr1: i might have fixed that [16:45:00] yeah [16:45:03] there was a problem with transitions not being turned off [16:45:17] yuvipanda can you try again on the mobile site? [16:45:17] * jdlrobson looks for commit [16:45:22] awjr1: I just tried it [16:45:26] like, right now [16:45:27] o [16:45:32] cache perhaps? [16:45:35] * yuvipanda clears cache [16:45:45] awjr1: PDT [16:45:54] thanks, preilly [16:45:59] cleared, trying again [16:47:23] still recurring [16:47:37] also it seems to mistake my scrolling for pinch and zoom multiple times [16:48:22] * jdlrobson has confused himself [16:48:23] :( [16:48:49] jdlrobson: hi, just a note to say Lindsey posted the icons on the Whiteboard [16:49:03] yeh i saw philinje but i forgot today was my 20% day [16:49:13] MaxSem: more whitespace in https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/7048/2/includes/api/ApiQueryExtracts.php [16:49:39] MaxSem: line 197 and 218 [16:49:41] jdlrobson: will the new layout take a while, do you think? [16:50:43] jdlrobson: awjr still happens, completely cleared cache and tried again [16:50:52] awjr: https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/gitweb?p=mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend.git;a=commit;h=f0a5d406cbe8108f8aee2bf08f7c9726532e241c [16:50:52] greetings all [16:50:57] that should fix the problem with ics [16:51:17] hang out is up and running https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/aade7b2c86e1c8ba065bed373d6273e430384fc1?hl=en# [16:51:20] transitions got turned back on :-S [16:51:42] awjr: is your ICS device doing fine [16:51:42] ? [16:53:06] jdlrobson: by you? [16:53:18] jdlrobson: or on production? [16:53:32] jdlrobson: because wasn't that just a live hack by awjr [16:53:49] no the live hacks in [16:53:52] i think [16:53:59] preilly jdlrobson had checked in a change to replace the live hack [16:54:19] awjr: did you push that change and update the deployment branch? [16:54:33] preilly which change are you referring to? [16:54:34] the live hack dealt with images appearing above sections [16:54:45] awjr: the transition change [16:55:05] preilly: https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/gitweb?p=mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend.git;a=commitdiff;h=f0a5d406cbe8108f8aee2bf08f7c9726532e241c;hp=d43f5f19ff3599f16200d247b6838cfb04ef1473 ? [16:55:25] my audio is spotty if I'm not a black rectangle [16:55:47] awjr: i suspect that commit is what is causing your issues [16:55:51] with freezing etc [16:56:07] Mobile staff are weird. [16:56:21] Reedy: duly noted [16:57:12] philinje: will take a look at new nav tomorrow - will make sure i dedicate tomorrow to it [16:57:42] preilly this is not in production (https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/7038/) nor in the deployment branch right now [16:58:09] jdlrobson: if you can hear us we can't hear you [16:58:47] awjr: MaxSem : https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/aade7b2c86e1c8ba065bed373d6273e430384fc1?hl=en# [16:59:45] Can we all join in? [16:59:54] was actually wondering the same [17:00:12] Reedy: hashar: only if you join on mute [17:00:18] Boring [17:00:36] thought about coming in real life since we are both in SF :-]]]] [17:05:12] feel free [17:06:07] Thehelpfulone: General feel for the new beta? [17:06:29] I reported the error about the save page bug BlackRectangle [17:06:40] i.e. if you save a page for later then try to clear it [17:06:48] you get a double notification confirmation window [17:07:05] and my phone battery just died... one sec :) [17:07:08] Thehelpfulone: do you have a bug number? My bz search skills seem to suck [17:07:11] ah [17:07:12] oh BlackRectangle you're Yuvi Panda :P [17:07:14] :) [17:07:23] Thehelpfulone: ah yes :) [17:07:24] ooops didn't put it in bugzilla [17:07:46] and BlackRectangle I created 3.2 version product code on bugzilla, is that where you'd prefer to put it? [17:07:59] Thehelpfulone: good question. [17:08:04] Thehelpfulone: 1.2 Android == 3.2 iOS [17:08:14] i'd like to keep things together as much as possible. [17:08:18] so, stick to 1.2? [17:08:36] ok I'll rename to (iOS) on the end [17:09:17] ok so https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/enter_bug.cgi?product=Wikipedia%20App [17:09:37] any product version missing or need amendments? [17:10:39] * YuviPanda hopes that the time five minutes before standup turns into a 'who can be the most ridiculous' contest [17:10:50] Thehelpfulone: there was a field for 'mobile OS'? [17:10:55] IIRC it was a custom field added [17:11:07] i'm disappointed i can't make friday's as i have the best prop for next time... [17:11:31] jdlrobson: you can make up for it monday [17:11:42] YuviPanda: yes it's under advanced [17:11:46] sadly the Panda's the most I've got here. [17:12:02] Thehelpfulone: so I'm guessing that plus version 1.2 would do? [17:12:24] hmm I don't think I quite understand [17:12:27] on https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/enter_bug.cgi?product=Wikipedia%20App [17:12:32] where it says Version: [17:12:45] there's 3.1.1 (iOS), 3.1.2 (iOS) [17:12:51] and I just added 3.2 (iOS) [17:12:58] you're saying 1.2 there is for android? [17:13:08] hmm, we don't have clear cut guidelines for it yet [17:13:14] I suppose we can kill all current versions [17:13:15] anyone got an ideas what's going wrong with http://mobile-geo.wmflabs.org/w/index.php/Test-driven_development ? [17:13:15] and just have [17:13:24] Warning: wfMkdirParents [17:13:29] 1.2 (android) / 3.2 (iOS) [17:13:40] 1.1 (android) / 3.1 (iOS) [17:13:40] etc [17:13:42] as versions? [17:13:50] Thehelpfulone: since most of the issues are common to both Operating systems [17:13:55] MaxSem: if you fix the whitespace in this https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/7048/ I'm cool to approve it [17:14:01] yeah that could be done [17:14:03] Thehelpfulone: the double prompt, for example, would be there in both iOS and android [17:14:07] I'm not sure spacing wise though, one sec [17:14:41] preilly, don't you want someone from the core team do this? [17:15:01] ergg ie6 is a mess [17:15:13] YuviPanda: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/enter_bug.cgi?product=Wikipedia%20App [17:15:14] MaxSem: I was just going to, "+1 Looks good to me, but someone else must approve" [17:15:15] refresh that [17:15:30] you want that instead of the individual 1.2 and 3.2? [17:15:47] tfinc: ^ have a look at that too :) [17:15:49] Thehelpfulone: yeah! [17:16:06] Thehelpfulone: let me make a list of versions that already existed along with their iOS counterparts [17:16:09] thanks [17:16:13] Thehelpfulone: what am i looking at? [17:16:22] look at the versions section [17:16:24] of the bug report [17:16:42] I've made a new version, 1.2 (Android) / 3.2 (iOS) [17:16:51] Yuvi said most bugs are common to both platforms? [17:17:02] Thehelpfulone: http://hastebin.com/seyacikosa.coffee [17:17:16] Thehelpfulone: did you move all exiting bugs to 1.2 Android then ? [17:17:19] MaxSem: what is a good Victory Day wish for someone? [17:17:22] s/existing/existing 1.2 [17:17:26] yeah, be careful so that we don't lose them :) [17:17:29] tfinc: not yet, if we agree that we want it then I will do it [17:17:35] cleanup good, data loss bad :) [17:17:37] YuviPanda: do you like this change? [17:17:47] he suggested it ;) [17:17:50] tfinc: http://hastebin.com/seyacikosa.coffee is the list of versions I came up with [17:17:53] Thehelpfulone: ^ [17:17:53] Thehelpfulone: move all the bugs 1.2 bugs then [17:18:07] ok [17:18:08] Thehelpfulone: can't you 'rename'? [17:18:13] so that current bugs are kept? [17:18:18] yeah I think so [17:18:24] i dont want a 1.2, 1.2 Android, and 3.2 iOS [17:18:26] I was just going to check if there were any ios bug to move [17:18:27] two is enough to confuse us [17:18:34] three is just asking for trouble given how dumb bugzilla is [17:18:49] preilly, for a non-Russian congratulating a Russian, just a concise congratulation [17:18:56] wow ... github went icon crazy today [17:19:24] preilly: how does device detection work on mobile-geo ? [17:19:25] all hail our new multi colored 8x8 overlords [17:23:10] tfinc: new icons look weird to me [17:23:11] ok refresh YuviPanda / tfinc [17:23:20] was wondering where all my folders went [17:23:29] so because 1 is before 3, the new version numbers are coming in the middle of the list [17:23:36] should I put the 3.1 (iOS) at the front instead? [17:23:44] so that the version numbers are order from oldest to newest [17:25:45] tfinc: out of interest when you try and open a section on E63 do you click the images? [17:26:16] jdlrobson: srikanthlogic is the one with the E63, unless tfinc has one too? [17:26:17] as it WFM - i just have a weird zooming issue [17:26:26] no this is using an emulator [17:26:30] i have the same emulator [17:26:35] https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=36681 [17:26:53] i'm using the desktop emu [17:27:22] same [17:27:26] but I can open sections.. [17:27:42] brb [17:34:18] Thehelpfulone: that will still cause problems with ordering when we get the next version out, no? [17:34:22] hmm, or maybe not [17:34:29] Thehelpfulone: try it and see if it renders correctly? [17:34:31] (iOS verison first) [17:34:52] New patchset: Jdlrobson; "serve all other ie versions < 8 html mobile site" [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/7062 [17:35:53] ok [17:37:12] YuviPanda: have a look? [17:37:59] * YuviPanda refreshes [17:38:13] Thehelpfulone: no change [17:38:53] clear cache? [17:38:54] https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/enter_bug.cgi?product=Wikipedia%20App [17:39:15] Thehelpfulone: i see the change but the order hasn't changed [17:39:39] it did for me [17:39:40] hmm [17:39:48] clear the cookie of the bugzilla page [17:40:35] hmm [17:40:40] i'm trying in a different browser now [17:41:04] ok [17:41:12] Thehelpfulone: nope, still see 3.x at the bottom [17:41:18] hmm, wait, I think that's fine [17:41:23] or maybe not [17:41:25] yeah that's how I want it ;) [17:41:32] hmm that's actually fine :) [17:41:35] Thehelpfulone: thanks! [17:41:42] no problem :) [17:42:28] YuviPanda: refresh one more time? [17:42:31] I think that's what you wanted [17:43:22] aaah what I expected :) [17:51:53] jdlrobson: you might be interested in http://html9responsiveboilerstrapjs.com/ [17:52:54] :) [17:53:28] documentation is very helpful ;-) https://github.com/impressivewebs/HTML9-Responsive-Boilerstrap-js/blob/master/README.md [17:53:32] preilly & awjr, you've modified the regex in MobileFormatter - do you remeber the exact breakage scenario? [17:54:05] MaxSem not the exact one, but it involved having section header HTML spread across two lines [17:54:52] I'm gonna change it again, so would be great if you added a test case to avoid another breakage [17:56:03] MaxSem: new lines [17:56:26] where exactly in the header? [17:57:26] in the section headings [17:57:29] MaxSem can't remember off the top of my head - I may have a sample saved somewhere [17:57:36] it was newline [17:58:08] philinje: I updated https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=36017 with a screenshot of how the app looks with just the globe. Veerrry bland. I didn't ship it with beta2 [18:03:26] YuviPanda: ok, but is a blank screen better? [18:03:38] jdlrobson: ready for the meeting? [18:04:16] New review: preilly; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master); V: 1 C: 2; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/7062 [18:04:18] Change merged: preilly; [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/7062 [18:04:39] philinje: no, as brion mentioned and I agree, a blank screen makes the app look 'broken' [18:05:01] philinje: I liked the first design, one with 'wikipedia' + a few actions underneath it. Perhaps something similar with the globe? [18:06:22] jdlrobson: you there? trying to call on skype [18:06:43] yep philinje sorry my mac crashed (i know!!) [18:06:55] i'm still in shock [18:07:57] the apple team will be there shortly to memory charm jdlrobson [18:08:55] philinje: you there? [18:12:22] New patchset: MaxSem; "Bug 36670: inside of section headings causes empty section titles" [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/7064 [18:16:40] MaxSem: weird whitespace in https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/7064/1/tests/MobileFormatterTest.php [18:17:00] MaxSem: ha ha but I guess you need that for your test [18:17:21] New review: preilly; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master); V: 1 C: 0; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/7064 [18:17:37] awjr: can you take a look at https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/7064/ [18:17:59] preilly i'll take a look once im out of this mtg [18:18:05] New review: preilly; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master); V: 1 C: 1; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/7064 [18:19:11] awjr_meeting, what are they doing to you? :P [18:39:44] props to whoever responded to @sumitsinha [18:41:50] philinje: thanks for your comments on the mailing list [18:41:53] can you do one for the wikipedia apps like I mentioned in the email? [18:41:54] probably best to do it on the new release when it comes out? [18:44:29] tfinc: that was me and YuviPanda [18:45:04] awjr: don [18:45:05] t [18:45:06] [18:45:12] awjr: forget to take a look at take a look at https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/7064/ [18:45:13] eh? [18:45:19] im leaving my comments now [18:45:22] awjr: that was weird [18:46:31] New review: awjrichards; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master); V: 1 C: -1; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/7064 [18:46:41] preilly, MaxSem ^ [18:47:18] awjr: the whitespace in https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/7064/1/tests/MobileFormatterTest.php is needed for the test [18:47:54] * MaxSem digs up the parser [18:47:58] oic [18:48:10] then i take it back. [18:48:32] awjr: maybe worth amending your comment [18:48:35] * jdlrobson goes out for beer - see you later [18:48:40] jdlrobson: enjoy [18:49:13] preilly: maybe worth adding a code comment? [18:49:24] awjr: I think .*/h2>%sU was fine [18:49:52] s (PCRE_DOTALL) and U (PCRE_UNGREEDY) did the trick [18:50:17] because if this modifier is set, a dot metacharacter in the pattern matches all characters, including newlines. Without it, newlines are excluded. This modifier is equivalent to Perl's /s modifier. A negative class such as [^a] always matches a newline character, independent of the setting of this modifier. [18:50:50] preilly that's what i thought too but why is it not working for articles like the gold rush? [18:51:01] and U (PCRE_UNGREEDY) modifier inverts the "greediness" of the quantifiers so that they are not greedy by default, but become greedy if followed by ?. It is not compatible with Perl. It can also be set by a (?U) modifier setting within the pattern or by a question mark behind a quantifier (e.g. .*?). [18:51:13] awjr, because there's second [18:51:37] oh and ungreedy [18:52:16] and with two greedy quantifiers nobody knows for sure what the hell it's gonna capture [18:52:27] right could capture the whole page [18:52:38] New review: awjrichards; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master); V: 1 C: -1; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/7064 [18:52:39] awjr: are you saying http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gold_rush is broken? [18:53:00] preilly: http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_gold_rush [18:53:02] that is broken [18:53:23] the history section is there (the first section) but there is no label for it [18:54:40] awjr: because it's

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[18:55:12] so, this is messing it up [18:55:50] yeah [18:56:25] hmm [18:56:37] so, that is a good example of even the new regex sucking too right? [18:57:41] yup. so … look for text between '>' and '<' but within '', accommodating for spaces/newlines [18:58:29] what I don't understand is where did that newline came from [18:58:48] Linker::makeHeadline() contains no newlines [18:59:24] philinje: can you point to the mail you sent out ages about about creating mobile main pages for other languages ? [19:01:09] MaxSem: maybe it was an errant carriage return by the editor? does Linker::makeHeadline() trim? [19:01:51] it outputs what Parser feeds into it [19:02:11] tfinc: search for, "TO: All Wikimedia Project Administrators" [19:02:14] :q! [19:02:19] der [19:02:19] ww [19:02:23] k [19:02:34] however, there is guaranteed that there is nothing between and [19:02:58] tfinc: see http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/wiki/wikitech/260064 [19:04:21] except for \s\n\r :p [19:04:33] preilly: thanks. im also trying to track down the mails that went to the top level wikipedia lists [19:05:36] tfinc: to wikipedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org,wiktionary-l@lists.wikimedia.org,wikiquote-l@lists.wikimedia.org,textbook-l@lists.wikimedia.org,wikisource-l@lists.wikimedia.org,wikinews-l@lists.wikimedia.org,wikiversity-l@lists.wikimedia.org,wikispecies-l@lists.wikimedia.org,wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org,commons-l@lists.wikimedia.org,incubator@lists.wikimedia.org [19:06:02] date: Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 8:48 AM [19:06:03] subject: [Wikitech-l] Final mobile switch-over [19:06:08] preilly: thanks [19:06:10] tfinc: are you talking about that one [19:06:15] awjr, so the newline must have been somewhere else. you'd better recall where ;) [19:06:39] hmm [19:06:41] philinje: are we meeting @ 12 ? [19:07:01] MaxSem: I think you fixed the newline issue [19:07:10] MaxSem: it was part of your
related stuff [19:07:24] ahaaaa [19:07:37] it was put through DOMParse [19:08:55] MaxSem: this was the issue: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=36306 [19:09:05] but yeah, it had been resolved [19:12:06] ____ . _ . [19:12:07] /# /_\_ |\_|/__/| [19:12:07] | |/o\o\ / / \/ \ \ [19:12:07] | \\_/_/ /__|O||O|__ \ [19:12:07] / |_ | |/_ \_/\_/ _\ | [19:12:09] | ||\_ ~| | | (____) | || [19:12:11] | ||| \/ \/\___/\__/ // [19:12:14] | |||_ (_/ || [19:12:16] \// | | || [19:12:19] || | | ||\ [19:12:21] ||_ \ \ //_/ [19:12:24] \_| o| \______// [19:12:26] /\___/ __ || __|| [19:12:29] / ||||__ (____(____) [19:12:31] (___)_) [19:13:12] hmm [19:13:17] #wikimedia-office got a cat [19:13:24] i'm unsure what we got [19:13:28] nope, my trollish friend, we don't have monospace font in our IRC clients [19:13:37] ren and stimpy, i think [19:13:40] but yeah, monospace fail. [19:13:53] well, I'm on irssi [19:14:04] so I see some sort of dog with a crown on the right [19:14:09] unsure what's on the left, though [19:14:18] another dog [19:14:20] I think [19:15:00] chihuaua and a cat [19:15:13] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Ren_%26_Stimpy_Show [19:15:23] ah! [19:15:27] so neither of them were dogs? [19:16:07] Ren is a dog, the chihuahua [19:26:31] awjr & preilly - so is this revision ok? [19:27:31] Thehelpfulone: other than the saved pages issue, how's the rest of the app? [19:28:50] MaxSem: regarding https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/7064/ [19:28:57] yes [19:29:01] by default YuviPanda it doesn't open anything [19:29:07] I thought it opened the main page?? [19:29:12] MaxSem: well, there shouldn't be newlines now right? [19:29:19] also settings it still slow to load [19:29:29] not quite sure why there's a delay for that [19:29:57] preilly, who knows - I just wanted your fix not to be accidentally gone [19:30:32] damn [19:30:37] ooo we have a lot of broken tests [19:30:37] I'm stuck in the settings menu again [19:30:40] in MF [19:30:52] hey philinje [19:30:57] did you get my previous ping? [19:31:20] awjr, ??? I had 100% pass today [19:31:43] i get 17 failures, all from DeviceDetectionTest [19:31:43] contact us should stay within the app if possible YuviPanda [19:32:12] oh i think it's just php errors [19:32:13] preg_match(): Delimiter must not be alphanumeric or backslash [19:32:44] * MaxSem eyes jdlrobson [19:33:15] also now I'm in about us YuviPanda I can't scroll down [19:33:22] so can't see the list of contributors etc [19:33:49] can we grab some Jenkins guru to make them finally run tests for MF? [19:33:57] awjr: so we are missing delimiters [19:34:01] who set it up for core? [19:34:06] yeah, no big deal. [19:34:23] awjr: well that is a big deal [19:34:34] okok but easy to fix [19:34:37] Thehelpfulone: opening the main page slowed it down, and we haven't settled on a static start page yet [19:34:45] awjr: yeah, it should be fixed ASAP [19:34:47] Thehelpfulone: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=36017 is the bug for that [19:34:50] awjr, hashar I think. the bug requesting this for extensions lies idle for months [19:34:59] Thehelpfulone: delay for the very first time in opening settings because we're loading list of languages [19:35:14] but the list of languages for the app itself [19:35:17] it should be static no? [19:35:27] Thehelpfulone: I doubt we'll be able to do contact-us internally for this release [19:35:36] Thehelpfulone: yes, but it is rather large. You'll see at most a second of delay [19:35:52] it's been about 2-3 seconds [19:36:39] Thehelpfulone: hmm, i'll see if I can optimize that [19:36:55] Thehelpfulone: are you still stuck in the settings page? [19:37:00] tapping 'back' doesn't work? [19:37:04] yeah it didn't [19:37:08] I killed the app to make it work [19:37:23] i.e. closed from the multi-tasking toolbar [19:37:24] gah [19:37:28] tfinc, maybe you could discuss its priority with platform guys? >>>> https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=34617 [19:37:38] Thehelpfulone: do you know how this could be repro'd reliably? [19:37:47] well I just clicked on settings ;) [19:37:58] let me try again [19:38:04] yeah [19:38:08] so close the app complete [19:38:13] completely* [19:38:16] open it up [19:38:17] click on settings [19:38:23] then try to go back withotu doing anything else [19:38:59] New patchset: awjrichards; "Added missing delimeter for MSIE device detection" [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/7079 [19:39:53] Thehelpfulone: it just went back :( [19:40:40] I'm on iOS 5.1.1 [19:40:44] try on the new OS? [19:40:58] hey philinje [19:41:08] preilly fixed missing delimeter ^ [19:41:25] Thehelpfulone: i am trying on it [19:41:28] let me clean and try agian [19:42:02] ok [19:42:02] got updated search ui doc [19:42:25] New patchset: preilly; "Fix delimiter must not be alphanumeric or backslash" [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/7080 [19:42:45] New review: preilly; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master); V: 1 C: 2; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/7080 [19:42:47] Change merged: preilly; [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/7080 [19:42:55] preilly you stole my thunder. [19:43:12] awjr, MaxSem: "preg_match(): Delimiter must not be alphanumeric or backslash" is fixed now [19:43:47] awjr, MaxSem: "OK (20 tests, 20 assertions)" running php ~/core/tests/phpunit/phpunit.php --verbose tests/DeviceDetectionTest.php [19:44:08] Change abandoned: awjrichards; "preilly stole my thunder." [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/7079 [19:44:09] awjr: sorry, about that [19:44:22] preilly it's ok, i might get over it someday. [19:45:05] May 9, 2012 12:42 PM vs May 9, 2012 12:38 PM [19:45:21] wow I'm a dick [19:45:41] lol [19:46:07] awjr: so what's the word with https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/7064/ [19:46:38] ah well the tests look comprehensive from the issues we've seen IRL and they all pass - so i'm inclined to say it's a-ok [19:47:21] awjr: then approve it [19:48:02] New review: awjrichards; "All your regex are belong to us" [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master); V: 1 C: 2; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/7064 [19:48:04] Change merged: awjrichards; [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/7064 [19:48:27] done and done [19:49:01] awjr: much appreciated [19:54:22] ok lunchtime [20:05:51] Thehelpfulone: I notice that it is ~2-3 seconds to go to settings for the first time [20:05:54] but I still am able to get back [20:06:38] hmm it doesn't work for me : [20:07:34] Thehelpfulone: testing on an iPod touch, 5.1 [20:07:49] ok [20:07:52] try 5.1.1? [20:08:36] hmm, Thehelpfulone if you go to it after you visit one of the pages, you're able to go back [20:08:41] but you can't only if you visit it from the blank page? [20:09:31] yea [20:09:33] yeah* [20:09:36] or the main page [20:09:42] Thehelpfulone: i'm able to repro that after a cleanup [20:09:45] oooh, mainpage? [20:09:51] Thehelpfulone: when clicking the 'W' icon? [20:10:04] yep [20:10:56] Thehelpfulone: hmm, that seems to work for me? [20:15:40] Thehelpfulone: so, issues that should be addressed this release are: 1. dual message for clearing saved pages 2. settings page stuck [20:15:51] Thehelpfulone: anything more? [20:16:01] preilly: awjr_lunch: MaxSem : can one of you guys educate me on the difference between "regular search" vs "opensearch" ? [20:16:09] YuviPanda: --^ [20:16:10] hmm let me see [20:16:26] contact us page is stuck [20:16:31] YuviPanda: can't scroll down on it [20:16:37] tfinc, opensearch is prefix search in titles [20:16:39] sorry about page* [20:16:47] opensearch == type ahead ? [20:16:50] full-text search is what google does [20:17:26] google does both full text and type ahead [20:17:35] yes, opensearch is used by MWSuggest (drop-down list on desktop site that appears as you type) [20:18:08] and both our apps and mobile web use open search for type ahead (and only for type ahead) [20:18:48] however, opensearch can't replace full-text search that happens when you hit enter [20:18:56] where as regular search is what we use for full text [20:19:01] this for instance http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3ASearch&profile=default&search=charlie+sava&fulltext=Search [20:19:05] MF doesn't seem to use fulltext search anymore [20:19:25] thats exactly why i'm asking about these [20:20:02] tfinc: actually enter isn't working [20:20:14] tfinc: so, if I go to http://en.m.wikipedia.org/ [20:20:18] now both "regular search" and "open search" are interfaces to the backend search cluster. data wise its the same once you hit the index right? [20:20:23] preilly i know [20:20:27] it works. by opening the first page in the list if any [20:20:28] i have bugs on all of this [20:20:40] MaxSem: no [20:20:47] i'm just wrapping my brion around all of this before i send you guys a mail [20:20:58] lolz [20:21:04] MaxSem: enter should lead you to http://en.m.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3ASearch&profile=default&search=charlie+sava&fulltext=Search [20:21:04] preilly, that's what I see on desktop browsers [20:21:22] lolz on spelling correction there [20:21:23] it doesn't lead anywhere [20:21:39] it no longer works and its a regeression [20:21:42] bug is already open about it [20:25:30] * MaxSem looks through open bugs [20:26:21] now there is a third search that we provide. did you mean. is there a way we can identify it in our logs as distinctive from full text and type ahead ? [20:27:02] ooh, I was disconnected [20:27:07] Thehelpfulone: 'stuck'? [20:27:12] Thehelpfulone: doesn't it get you to safari? [20:27:45] sorry I meant the about page [20:29:19] right [20:30:07] Thehelpfulone: so, 1. settings page getting stuck 2. About page not scrolling 3. fix for multiple boxes when clearing saved pages [20:30:13] preilly also gave me the other detail that our new delay for type ahead on mobile web [20:30:24] preilly: can you get me the exact delay *before* and *after* [20:30:30] New patchset: L10n-bot; "Localisation updates from http://translatewiki.net." [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/7098 [20:30:36] the push on 5/1 [20:30:39] yeah I think that's all I can find for now [20:31:23] tfinc: typingDelay = 500 [20:32:26] preilly: before or after ? [20:32:53] tfinc: timer = setTimeout( function () { searchApi( term ); }, typingDelay ); before [20:35:57] tfinc: and delay is the number of milliseconds (thousandths of a second) that the function call should be delayed by. The actual delay may be longer [20:36:47] tfinc: also the timeout can also fire later when the page (or the OS/browser itself) is busy with other tasks [20:37:20] In (Firefox 5.0 / Thunderbird 5.0 / SeaMonkey 2.2) and Chrome 11, timeouts are clamped to firing no more often than once per second (1000ms) in inactive tabs; see bug 633421 for more information about this in Mozilla or crbug.com/66078 for details about this in Chrome. [20:38:06] preilly: so if you had to esimate before (500) vs after (?) on iOS Safari and Android native what would it be? [20:38:25] New review: Siebrand; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master); V: 1 C: 2; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/7098 [20:38:27] Change merged: Siebrand; [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/7098 [20:47:47] philinje: i got all my search followups cleared up. drafting email to mobile-tech now. [20:53:34] philinje: i'm failing to find google doc that diedrik orginally sent out that showed the drop in search traffic ... can you pass me the link [21:06:11] tfinc: https://docs.google.com/a/wikimedia.org/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AnPkOSxPWWDfdGxHVmRJYnllMndJTUdYQjAtOGp6OGc [21:09:31] tfinc: that is the link to "Effect of change in Search UI" [21:36:28] * MaxSem wants to see action=mobileview&override=1 on a pike [21:43:09] mmm, the app needs a newer mobilevieew [21:44:27] the app? [21:45:00] yeah, it's being developed by a panda [21:45:49] yes, who sometimes has a book for a hat [21:47:41] wow i am experiencing my first haboob. [21:47:48] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haboob [21:48:45] awjr: wah [21:48:50] that looks scary [21:49:59] tfinc: emailed about the google play beta [21:50:55] it hasn't fully hit yet, but it's windy as hell. i just walked out to the street and can see it coming… [21:51:07] awjr: pics or it didn't happen! [21:51:08] i dont think it's as scary as it sounds, just hella windy and dusty [21:51:24] awjr: also, a pic of your hat being blown off into that with you chasing? [21:51:27] a video, rather [21:51:28] lol [21:51:30] (if it is not scary) [22:03:01] YuviPand1: woot. you could have just sent it to mobile-tech + the others :D [22:09:06] tfinc: so, I initially sent it to mobile-tech + chrismcmahon + heatherw [22:09:12] then realized they might not be able to hit reply-all [22:09:21] and now I realize that they might just as well be able to [22:12:31] New patchset: MaxSem; "Since we don't serve XHTML anymore, replace it with HTML everywhere" [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/7121 [22:20:17] tfinc: can you check out that link and see if it installs fine along with the app from market on your device? [22:26:17] heatherw: around? [22:26:27] yes YuviPand1 [22:26:58] heatherw: you're going to tell me 'I told you so', but can I get the black beta app Icon rendered in 512x512? [22:27:04] https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=35577 one [22:27:31] http://bug-attachment.wikimedia.org/attachment.cgi?id=10527 one, to be exact [22:28:25] YuviPand1: anyon with a @wikimedia.org address can reply all [22:28:26] anyone* [22:28:37] tfinc: yeah, just realized that. Will do next time rather than pollute to: [22:28:46] YuviPand1: i can after 5 [22:29:12] tfinc: ok. [22:29:41] tfinc: Also, updates on QA posn? [22:30:21] our recruiter is finailzing with the candidate. i'll poke her for an update tomorrow [22:30:30] their just fiugring out terms [22:30:43] awjr: you ready? [22:30:49] yep [22:30:49] tfinc: ok [22:31:08] tfinc just starting up skype [22:32:11] awjr: aww ... got your voice mail [22:32:16] ! [22:32:26] funny i never heard it ring [22:32:36] tfinc: i'm going to write it up, set everything up on Google Play and leave it overnight. We'll launch tomorrow. [22:32:39] * YuviPand1 continues writing [22:32:44] * YuviPand1 pokes heatherw again apologetically [22:32:57] yes? YuviPand1 :) [22:33:45] heatherw: got my request for a 512x512 sized render? [22:33:51] 03:56 < YuviPand1> heatherw: you're going to tell me 'I told you so', but can I get the black beta app Icon rendered in 512x512? [22:33:54] 03:57 < YuviPand1> https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=35577 one [22:33:56] yessir [22:33:57] 03:57 < YuviPand1> http://bug-attachment.wikimedia.org/attachment.cgi?id=10527 one, to be exact [22:34:06] ah, okay. [22:34:07] doing it right now :) [22:34:13] got no response + my network's shitty [22:34:19] heatherw: thanks! [22:34:44] sorry for the lack of reply [22:40:54] it's attached now YuviPand1, let me know if that doesn't work for some reason. [22:42:49] heatherw: thanks! works fine :) [22:58:38] [WikipediaMobile] yuvipanda pushed 2 new commits to master: http://git.io/YiVCkg [22:58:38] [WikipediaMobile/master] Bumped display and version of Android app - YuviPanda [22:58:38] [WikipediaMobile/master] Added appname and appname-beta as translateable messages - YuviPanda [23:04:28] YuviPand1: http://bloximages.chicago2.vip.townnews.com/azstarnet.com/content/tncms/assets/v3/editorial/3/b9/3b9f5a72-9a21-11e1-be16-001a4bcf887a/4faae7a3a1755.image.jpg [23:04:31] the haboob [23:08:17] awjr: scarier in a picture than in real life, I hope [23:08:45] i didn't get to see the sort of wall of dust myself, but i wandered around in the middle of it for a bit. it wasn't too bad, just super windy and the flying dust stung when it hit [23:09:09] hmmm [23:09:22] I seem to be a wuss in extreme weather :D [23:09:25] the most intense dust storms i've been in have been in the black rock desert in nevada [23:09:39] awjr: how intense? [23:09:47] where it would be like, 50mph winds and you couldn't even see more than a few inches in front of you [23:09:50] hmm, no chris [23:09:58] awjr: wah, and just normal clothing? [23:10:24] goggles and something to cover the breathing holes [23:10:42] heh [23:10:52] okay, it's almost sunrise here. I should go sleep. [23:11:12] awjr: do try out the beta beta app when you get the chance [23:11:17] s/chance/time/ [23:11:25] i definitely will [23:12:47] tfinc: am off to bed. I've another email for you and chris in your inbox. [23:12:50] gnite [23:13:19] philinje: any update on https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=36017? [23:14:25] yuvi: not really [23:14:57] the start page is going to follow other immediate UI work [23:16:44] what is going on with the Mainpage API? [23:17:41] and yes, go to sleep! [23:22:18] where should i leave feedback for the android beta? [23:23:07] there is wiki page - linked from Mobile design on mw [23:24:16] cool thanks philinje