[00:00:01] <jdlrobson>	 actually there was another related one too
[00:00:41] <tfinc>	 nice job tackling that one. it was getting super annoying to see
[00:01:06] <jdlrobson>	 36528
[00:01:19] <tfinc>	 jdlrobson: i'm going to have to step up my game of giving you tough bugz :D
[00:01:40] <jdlrobson>	 i'm starting to run out https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/buglist.cgi?query_format=advanced&field0-0-0=bug_severity&bug_status=UNCONFIRMED&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=REOPENED&type0-0-0=notequals&value0-0-0=enhancement&component=MobileFrontend&resolution=---&resolution=LATER&resolution=DUPLICATE&product=MediaWiki%20extensions&list_id=116003 ;-)
[00:01:45] <jdlrobson>	 i think that's the shortest i've seen it so far
[00:01:58] <jdlrobson>	 and a lot of those are unconfirmed
[00:02:15] <jdlrobson>	 anyone able to test the following:
[00:02:16] <jdlrobson>	 https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=36530
[00:02:22] <jdlrobson>	 https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=36455
[00:02:35] <awjr>	 i can take a look at 36530
[00:02:45] <jdlrobson>	 https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=36383
[00:02:47] <jdlrobson>	 should all be fixed
[00:03:10] <jdlrobson>	 (apart from maybe the last as I couldn't replicatE)
[00:04:26] <jdlrobson>	 i'm heading to bed now as I need sleep
[00:04:40] <awjr>	 i can't test the others, but 36530 is indeed fixed
[00:04:41] <jdlrobson>	 will continue to kill that list tomorrow
[00:04:45] <jdlrobson>	 \o/
[00:04:51] <tfinc>	 jdlrobson: excellent work. sleep well
[00:05:14] <tfinc>	 awjr: think of what we could get done if we could clone jdlrobson
[00:05:56] <awjr>	 tfinc perhaps i can work on my new cloning technology during my 20% time
[00:06:21] <tfinc>	 i would welcome that
[00:06:31] <tfinc>	 more clones mean more volunteer support
[00:06:54] <awjr>	 yeah, we shouldn't have any problems convincing sumana
[00:07:59] <tfinc>	 awjr: send a tweet that we've resolved a lot of the android issues our users were seeing
[00:08:49] <awjr>	 tfinc where can i find the login info again? i was looking on office wiki earlier to respond to someone but my search foo was failing me
[00:09:33] <tfinc>	 i'll pm it to you
[00:09:37] <awjr>	 ty
[00:15:42] <tfinc>	 awjr: i keep it simple by just runnign tweetdeck. that way i input the pass once and never again
[00:16:01] <awjr>	 oo fancy
[00:16:52] <tfinc>	 if your wondering how i seem to know whenever anyone speaks our name on twitter it because of i *always* have tweetdeck on
[00:17:14] <awjr>	 tfinc do you use the chrome app or desktop?
[00:18:29] <tfinc>	 desktop
[00:18:37] <tfinc>	 v0.38.2
[00:18:42] <tfinc>	 not the new shitty one
[00:18:48] <awjr>	 lol
[00:18:49] <awjr>	 k
[00:19:03] <tfinc>	 nice .. alolita already retweeted us
[00:19:40] <tfinc>	 its funny. i look at the mobile site so much that i've forgotten what the desktop version looks like
[00:20:30] <tfinc>	 I think thats for the best
[00:23:11] <tfinc>	 awjr: this deployment brought a lot of fixes that i had been waiting for
[00:23:16] <tfinc>	 the site looks much better
[00:23:24] <awjr>	 yeah, it feels a lot more polished
[00:24:05] <tfinc>	 awjr: which is perfect as we can now put it down and move full speed with nav, wlm, and core migration
[00:25:32] <tfinc>	 awjr: hows the sibling project move going ?
[00:25:40] <tfinc>	 we need to catch up on that
[00:25:43] <awjr>	 yeah
[00:25:56] <awjr>	 there has been little movement since i got the response from asher last week
[00:26:16] <tfinc>	 i'm betting you'll need patrick/tim help with the c work
[00:26:24] <awjr>	 likely
[00:26:40] <awjr>	 i can take a stab at it but i dont really know c
[00:26:52] <binasher>	 preilly: do the c ^^
[00:26:58] <awjr>	 do it
[00:27:02] <binasher>	 DOIT
[00:27:07] <tfinc>	 awjr: no, lets let preilly or tim do it ;)
[00:27:20] <awjr>	 im sure i can make the c code more awesomer
[00:27:24] <awjr>	 or whatever
[00:27:26] <tfinc>	 lolz
[00:27:26] <awjr>	 anyway
[00:27:43] <awjr>	 we need to figure out what to do about proejcts that dont have language subdomains
[00:28:10] <awjr>	 like wikimedia.org and mediawiki.org
[00:28:17] <awjr>	 as well as decide how to handle things like… commons
[00:28:26] <tfinc>	 hmm
[00:28:37] <awjr>	 i imagine commons will not work nicely out-of-the-box with MobileFrontend
[00:28:59] <tfinc>	 the first two can just be m.
[00:28:59] <binasher>	 can we just do m.wikimedia.org / m.mediawiki.org ?
[00:29:13] <awjr>	 but switching all of the other projects with language subs shouldn't be a big deal
[00:29:21] <tfinc>	 commons is the absurd looking one
[00:29:37] <awjr>	 binasher that might require some code changes
[00:29:58] <awjr>	 also wikimedia.org already has a bunch of subs, like commons for instance
[00:29:59] <tfinc>	 awjr: besides commons what else is an edge case?
[00:30:19] <awjr>	 probably any of the wikimedia subs like meta, collab
[00:30:34] <tfinc>	 binasher: this would all be easy if you guys let us drop m. from the domain
[00:30:35] <awjr>	 incubator
[00:31:11] <awjr>	 office
[00:31:20] <awjr>	 those are the on wikimedia.org subs i know of but there might be more
[00:31:44] <awjr>	 there's also wikitech
[00:31:50] <awjr>	 and then just mediawiki.org
[00:32:00] <awjr>	 m.mediawiki.org would probably work fine
[00:32:31] <awjr>	 and we could probably do something like commons.m.wikimedia.org, meta.m.wikimedia.org, etc with no code changes
[00:33:29] <awjr>	 tfinc the other thing that binasher suggested in the email was coping with what happens when a user goes to just 'en.wikipedia.org' - the redirection to the main page happens at the proxy layer
[00:33:44] <awjr>	 he was suggesting that we try to fix the behavior in mediawiki
[00:34:14] <awjr>	 i think it was because the different projects have different main pages, which makes configuration for all the different cases a nightmare
[00:35:26] <awjr>	 actually i don't think that's quite right
[00:35:34] <awjr>	 binasher can you explain the issue with the / redirection?
[00:36:06] <binasher>	 if you hit /
[00:36:29] <binasher>	 mediawiki will redirect you to the mainpage, but not the mobile url for it
[00:36:57] <awjr>	 ah yeah fixing that on the MW side will require some things to be migrated to core
[00:38:09] <awjr>	 what im working on now is making MW core context aware, so that could go hand-in-hand nicely with getting the automatic redirection done for the sibbling projects
[00:38:56] <awjr>	 http://imgur.com/pOXX1
[00:46:18] <awjr>	 it looks like doing just m.mediawiki.org would require a varnish config change
[00:46:47] <awjr>	 the matching regex is currently: if ( req.http.host ~ "^([a-zA-Z0-9-]+)\.m\.([a-zA-Z0-9-]+)\.org" ) {
[00:48:52] <tfinc>	 awjr: do you have a full list of projects that we need to move over?
[00:49:03] <tfinc>	 i'd love to take a look at the exhaustive list and see which ones are easy, hard, etc
[00:49:09] <tfinc>	 and plan out the names
[00:49:23] <tfinc>	 if not i'll spin up a quick spread sheet
[00:49:42] <awjr>	 tfinc: i dont have an exhaustive list but i've got one somewhere hang on a sec
[00:50:31] <awjr>	 tfinc: email subject "Switching all projects to use .m. domains" sent may 1 hast a list of the projects i was able to figure out
[00:50:53] <awjr>	 with their individual caveats
[00:52:44] <awjr>	 it would probably be good to get someone else's eyes on that list, but those were the projects i was able to glean form various configuration files, etc. i wasn't really able to find a centralized cohesive list of projects
[00:54:41] <tfinc>	 awjr: i took those and threw them into a spreadsheet ... your shared on it
[00:54:57] <awjr>	 cool
[00:55:25] <tfinc>	 awjr: i thought you had sent that out but i onlve looked at your last email thread
[00:58:32] <tfinc>	 awjr: so really we have three types of sites
[00:58:58] <tfinc>	 lang.m, wikimedia.org, seperate domain
[00:59:02] <awjr>	 1) projects with language subdomains 2) projects that are subdomains of mediawiki.org 3) stand-alone
[00:59:03] <awjr>	 yeah
[00:59:19] <awjr>	 sorry #2 should be subs of wikimedia.org
[00:59:31] <tfinc>	 and really only #2 is annoying
[00:59:51] <tfinc>	 but its an important one as commons is a really good candidate for our next mobile specific focus
[00:59:58] <awjr>	 well, #2 and #3 are both annoying but for different reasons
[01:00:21] <awjr>	 holy crap tweetdeck is taking over my screens
[01:01:00] <tfinc>	 awjr: haha
[01:01:00] <awjr>	 tfinc i think we should probably start with #1 since it's relatively low hanging fruit
[01:01:08] <tfinc>	 agreed
[01:01:38] <awjr>	 #2 is going to be problematic from a layout perspective as well as logistics with the subdomains (although i dont think this is that big of a deal as varnish is already configured to handle things like commons.m.wikimedia.org)
[01:02:25] <awjr>	 tfinc we should probably spend some time looking at the mobile version of the sibbling projects in the #1 category and make sure things are formatted OK
[01:02:28] <awjr>	 before ew make the switch automattic
[01:02:49] <tfinc>	 awjr: i bet you they wont be. the'll be things that are broken
[01:02:56] <tfinc>	 no question about it
[01:02:59] <awjr>	 yeah that's what im worried about
[01:03:14] <awjr>	 we'll want to get that ironed out before making the redirect automattic
[01:03:15] <tfinc>	 but the only way that were going to raise awareness is to get people to use it
[01:03:24] <awjr>	 that is true
[01:03:33] <awjr>	 MF is already enabled on those projects and they already have .m domains
[01:03:37] <tfinc>	 we wont be able to iron out everything. a quick pass at best
[01:03:48] <tfinc>	 so lets say a two weeks heads up
[01:03:54] <tfinc>	 for the project after we take a pass through it
[01:03:57] <tfinc>	 and then we switch
[01:03:58] <awjr>	 can we reach out to those communities and get people to start using them manually so we get some feedback as we're working on the other moving bits?
[01:04:05] <awjr>	 yeah
[01:04:09] <tfinc>	 awjr: sure, philinje can help you with that
[01:04:30] <tfinc>	 awjr: my proposed m. are in the spreadsheet now
[01:05:00] <tfinc>	 awjr: i've also included other projects that we need to consider
[01:05:07] <tfinc>	 like wikimania
[01:05:12] <awjr>	 just added wikitech as well
[01:05:22] <tfinc>	 exatly
[01:05:24] <tfinc>	 exactly
[01:05:36] <awjr>	 yeah, those look right and good to me
[01:05:50] <tfinc>	 awjr: this is yoru best list http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:SiteMatrix
[01:05:54] <awjr>	 oh collab is missing
[01:06:12] <tfinc>	 just use SiteMatrix
[01:06:16] <tfinc>	 it'll tell you everything
[01:06:18] <awjr>	 holy god
[01:06:26] <tfinc>	 minux wikitech since its disconnected
[01:06:40] <tfinc>	 lolz https://exec.wikimedia.org/wiki/Main_Page
[01:07:04] <tfinc>	 awjr: so lets make this easy on us. dont bother with private wikis for now
[01:07:12] <tfinc>	 awjr: that cuts out almost half of them
[01:07:24] <awjr>	 wow
[01:07:28] <awjr>	 yeah
[01:07:31] <philinje>	 awjr: hi, on the new Contact page, where is the Technical problem form supposed to put comments?
[01:07:32] <awjr>	 and the others all seem to be subs of wikimedia.org
[01:07:40] <tfinc>	 awjr: then drop all the chapters wikis
[01:07:41] <awjr>	 so sub.m.wikimedia.org
[01:07:47] <tfinc>	 yup
[01:07:47] <awjr>	 phew
[01:07:55] <tfinc>	 awjr: see ... not so bad at all
[01:08:22] <awjr>	 that actually gets us back down to basically the list we have now anyway, right?
[01:09:39] <awjr>	 except for outreach and strategy
[01:09:49] <tfinc>	 yup
[01:10:00] <tfinc>	 did i manage to both scare and save you from work ?
[01:10:02] <tfinc>	 awjr: --^
[01:10:03] <awjr>	 philinje: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/MobileFrontendFeedback
[01:10:09] <philinje>	 thanks
[01:10:15] <awjr>	 np
[01:10:17] <awjr>	 tfinc aye
[01:10:24] <tfinc>	 awjr: then my job for today is complete :D
[01:10:43] <tfinc>	 awjr: i added some more columns to make it easier to plan this out
[01:10:53] <awjr>	 i see that, beautiful.
[01:11:17] <philinje>	 awjr: seems like the posting bit is not working anymore from Technical problem
[01:11:59] <awjr>	 oh i forgot to test that in the beta after our deployment today
[01:12:02] <awjr>	 lemme take a look
[01:12:07] <philinje>	 awjr: also, red message pops up, but let's look at this later, just needed to confirm something for the lawyer
[01:12:26] <awjr>	 ?!
[01:12:28] <tfinc>	 awjr: after were happy with this table we can move it over to a wiki
[01:12:49] <awjr>	 but i hate public collaborative editing
[01:14:45] <awjr>	 philinje it just worked for me
[01:15:00] <awjr>	 philinje were you wondering about where feedback from the non-beta contact form goes?
[01:15:17] <philinje>	 no, just the new form on beta
[01:15:23] <awjr>	 yeah it works fine
[01:15:47] <philinje>	 hmm, let me take a look tomorrow, thanks
[01:16:16] <awjr>	 k
[01:18:35] <tfinc>	 awjr: ok ... i think its time for me to head out
[01:18:40] <awjr>	 so tfinc tomorrow i'll talk to phil about reaching out to the projects with language subdomains to help us identify some of the kinks
[01:18:53] <tfinc>	 yes, the other piece that will have to be coordianted is main page creation
[01:18:56] <awjr>	 were you suggesting a 2-week window?
[01:19:02] <tfinc>	 you'll notice its a column that i added
[01:19:04] <awjr>	 yeah definitely
[01:19:19] <awjr>	 tweetdeck has already taken over my life
[01:19:21] <tfinc>	 its  been challening to get those in place
[01:19:23] <awjr>	 ah yes
[01:19:34] <tfinc>	 awjr: what did you add as search ?
[01:19:50] <tfinc>	 I only use five
[01:20:00] <awjr>	 hahaha nothing yet! just my various account updates and the wikimedia mobile updates
[01:20:07] <awjr>	 i need to get a handle on notifications
[01:20:47] <tfinc>	 i have ... Mentions : WikimediaMobile, Search: Wikipedia Mobile, Search Wikimedia Mobile, Search:Wikipedia App & Search:Wikipedia Offline
[01:20:55] <awjr>	 tfinc do you think two weeks is enough time to collect feedback/make fixes/get the redirect switched on?
[01:21:09] <tfinc>	 we'll know after our first round now wont we :D
[01:21:12] <awjr>	 nice that seems pretty encompassing
[01:21:25] <tfinc>	 its too many domain to dilly dally
[01:21:26] <awjr>	 tfinc indeed
[01:21:30] <tfinc>	 were goign to sweet pretty quickly
[01:21:32] <tfinc>	 expect noise
[01:21:45] <tfinc>	 but that'll show that we need more resources to better server our sibling projets now wont it :D
[01:22:24] <tfinc>	 sonuva ... its so late that people are only speaking in dutch
[01:22:26] <tfinc>	 i'm outta here
[01:23:09] <awjr>	 lol
[01:23:10] <awjr>	 hasta
[06:44:07] <MaxSem>	 jdlrobson, hi
[10:16:36] <MaxSem>	 jdlrobson, around?
[10:17:41] <jdlrobson>	 yup
[10:17:43] <jdlrobson>	 whats up
[10:18:41] <jdlrobson>	 MaxSem: ^
[10:23:13] * jdlrobson  seems to have been a victim of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knock,_Knock,_Ginger ;-)

[10:25:35] <wikipedia-github>	 [WikipediaMobile] jdlrobson pushed 1 new commit to master: http://git.io/Bl5IlA
[10:25:35] <wikipedia-github>	 [WikipediaMobile/master] Handle links in reference reveal display properly - YuviPanda
[10:26:37] <MaxSem>	 jdlrobson, could you take a look at https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/7670 ? it could slightly change the delivery order and also moves jQuery to the bottom per our discussion
[10:27:13] <jdlrobson>	 sure also YuviPanda can be bump https://github.com/wikimedia/WikipediaMobile/pull/210/files into this release - I'm wary its been open and since I'm on 20% time today I think it would be a good time to get it in
[10:28:08] <YuviPanda>	 jdlrobson: I think we discussed this and set it to 1.3 milestone?
[10:28:46] <jdlrobson>	 yeh we did... but rethinking it it doesn't seem such a big change - and it is quite useful
[10:28:49] <YuviPanda>	 jdlrobson: https://github.com/wikimedia/WikipediaMobile/issues shows me that.
[10:30:18] <YuviPanda>	 jdlrobson: Still wouldn't want to. Too close to a release (hopefully next week)
[10:30:26] <jdlrobson>	 np
[10:31:05] <jdlrobson>	 so MaxSem  Uncaught ReferenceError: mw is not defined
[10:31:46] <YuviPanda>	 jdlrobson: am going to use http://jquery.malsup.com/block/ for the 'large spinner'
[10:31:56] <YuviPanda>	 rather than div myself and deal with the positioning issues
[10:32:12] <jdlrobson>	 YuviPanda: why do you need a plugin for that?
[10:33:26] <MaxSem>	 jdlrobson, to try it you should also checkout the revision mentioned in commit message
[10:33:37] <YuviPanda>	 hmm, on second thoughts I could just white out the entire screen with a div
[10:33:48] <jdlrobson>	 why not just $.ajaxSetup{ beforeSend: function() { $("#spinner").show(); $("#content").hide(); }, complete: function() { $("#spinner").hide(); $("#content").show(); }
[10:34:11] <YuviPanda>	 jdlrobson: nothing for ajaxSetup, this is for the saved pages one
[10:34:28] <jdlrobson>	 just a generic example
[10:34:42] <jdlrobson>	 ah ook MaxSem
[10:36:02] <YuviPanda>	 jdlrobson: because it'd need to block the rest of the UI?
[10:36:20] <YuviPanda>	 but yeah, I should be able to have an abs positioned div with a high enough z-index that covers the entir eUI
[10:36:34] <jdlrobson>	 exactly
[10:36:36] <YuviPanda>	 so I'll go with that unless I run into problems with inputboxes grabbing focus and not giving a shit about z-index
[10:36:53] <YuviPanda>	 yeah, I was initially thinking of a centered one like how devgeeks showed, a full div makes more sense
[10:37:02] <YuviPanda>	 if they can't use the UI, better not show them it anyway :)
[10:43:21] <jdlrobson>	 YuviPanda: just have a class page-request on the html / body tag when performing the action and clear it at the end. If we have any issues with elements we can style them away whilst the page-request class is on
[10:45:02] <YuviPanda>	 jdlrobson: I think having a div blanket the viewport would be a simpler option. Working on it, will show you in a bit
[10:45:53] <jdlrobson>	 sure... but all I'm getting at is go with a css heavy solution rather than js
[10:46:11] <jdlrobson>	 e.g. don't bother with .show and .hide 's all over the place
[10:47:21] <YuviPanda>	 ok
[10:53:01] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Jdlrobson; "Adding one inline comment." [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master) C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/7670
[11:13:46] <MaxSem>	 jdlrobson, which settings appear twice?
[11:13:51] <jdlrobson>	 settings.js
[11:14:06] <MaxSem>	 ah
[11:16:26] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: MaxSem; "Mobile script delivery via ResourceLoader" [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/7670
[11:30:58] * jdlrobson  goes out for lunch

[12:42:41] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: MaxSem; "Fix fatal reported in the mediawki-api ML." [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/7787
[12:45:17] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: MaxSem; "The ext. prefixing convention is not universal, and we're going to move this directly into core soon." [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master) C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/7670
[13:16:05] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: MaxSem; "Fix fatal reported in the mediawki-api ML." [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/7787
[13:32:51] <jdlrobson>	 MaxSem does ResourceLoader support loading javascript on demand?
[13:33:11] <MaxSem>	 yes
[13:33:29] <MaxSem>	 however, this part is not mobile-friendly
[13:33:33] <jdlrobson>	 :(
[13:33:50] <MaxSem>	 it's heavy and relies on jQuery
[13:33:57] <jdlrobson>	 I'm just thinking ahead - as nearby functionality for the mobile site will require a lot of javascript - and don't really want to load it until necessary
[13:34:43] <MaxSem>	 then plain ol document.write('<script src=foo>')
[13:35:19] <jdlrobson>	 (the other way of doing it would be to add a special page - but going forward I think it would make more sense to be able to do it all from the same page)
[13:35:38] <jdlrobson>	 (although starting with a special page is probably how I'd go about doing it)
[13:36:01] <jdlrobson>	 MaxSem: is there a wiki page about all this?
[13:36:11] <jdlrobson>	 would be interested in taking a look but can't find anything
[13:36:22] <MaxSem>	 https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/RL
[13:36:38] <MaxSem>	 and a lot of source reading;)
[13:37:06] <jdlrobson>	 yeh i'd seen that - guess lots of source reading will be the way to go then !
[13:37:29] <MaxSem>	 kekeke
[13:38:28] <MaxSem>	 jdlrobson, so we basically use the server-side part of RL not using its dynamic capabilities client-side
[13:54:10] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: MaxSem; "Mobile script delivery via ResourceLoader" [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/7670
[13:57:37] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Jdlrobson; "add article timestamp to footer" [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/7790
[13:59:00] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Jdlrobson; "Would welcome some input on both the copy text and the size of the footer with this additional line." [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master) C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/7790
[14:06:26] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Jdlrobson; "first version of a README file for MobileFrontend extension" [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/7791
[15:29:27] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Jdlrobson; "first version of main menu navigation" [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/7668
[15:34:37] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Jdlrobson; "first version of main menu navigation" [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/7668
[16:01:28] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Jeroen De Dauw; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master) C: 1;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/7791
[16:03:04] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: MaxSem; "Decouple most mobile-related stuff from ExtMobileFrontend." [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/7795
[16:05:51] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: MaxSem; "I think README should concern either development or end-user stuff, but not both. I suggest to move ..." [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master) C: -1;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/7791
[16:18:20] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Jdlrobson; "only add heading from title attribute on homepage if present (bug 36893)" [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/7797
[16:21:18] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Jdlrobson; "Personally I think that development stuff should go in the repository README as much as possible as ..." [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master) C: 1;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/7791
[16:27:47] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: preilly; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/7787
[16:27:49] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: preilly; [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/7787
[16:29:17] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: preilly; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/7790
[16:29:19] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: preilly; [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/7790
[16:30:55] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Jdlrobson; "I've gone and renamed the elements in the current site as well as beta. Leaves to a bigger diff but ..." [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master) C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/7668
[16:31:49] <philinje>	 jdlrobson: hi
[16:31:52] <jdlrobson>	 hey philinje
[16:31:57] <jdlrobson>	 we have a call?
[16:32:05] <philinje>	 yup, one sec
[16:32:17] <MaxSem>	 can we unmerge https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/7790/ it has seriious problems
[16:32:52] <preilly>	 MaxSem: like what?
[16:32:57] <preilly>	 MaxSem: can't you just fix it?
[16:33:08] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: preilly; "Revert "add article timestamp to footer"" [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/7801
[16:33:24] <MaxSem>	 okay
[16:33:52] <preilly>	 MaxSem: what is the serious issue with it?
[16:34:14] <MaxSem>	 Internationalisation, overescaping
[16:34:25] <MaxSem>	 $wgArticle
[16:35:42] <MaxSem>	 how do I erase the last revision in a branch?
[16:36:48] <maplebed>	 you guys have the best easter eggs.
[16:37:29] <MaxSem>	 eh?
[16:37:44] <maplebed>	 set fenari to be your socks proxy and load en.m.wikipedia.org
[16:38:08] <maplebed>	 look at the target for the link 'free wikipedia from wikimedia'
[16:51:44] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Jdlrobson; "first version of main menu navigation" [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/7668
[16:53:20] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: MaxSem; "Fix e347e..edce2 aka gerrit change 7790." [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/7804
[16:53:52] <MaxSem>	 jdlrobson & preilly, ^^
[16:55:18] <tfinc>	 morning all
[16:55:21] <MaxSem>	 yo
[16:56:25] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: preilly; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/7804
[16:56:27] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: preilly; [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/7804
[16:56:30] <tfinc>	 hang out link is up https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/d702c5bccfe9c20c6be83aa05d9d7fa048fbf86a?authuser=1&hl=en
[16:56:56] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: preilly; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/7795
[16:57:24] <maplebed>	 preilly: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=36910
[16:59:07] <preilly>	 tfinc: I'm in the middle of a zero fix
[16:59:10] <tfinc>	 jdlrobson: https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/d702c5bccfe9c20c6be83aa05d9d7fa048fbf86a?authuser=1&hl=en
[16:59:15] <tfinc>	 preilly: k
[16:59:24] <tfinc>	 anyone seen Yuvi? i see no mails from him
[17:00:35] <preilly>	 jdlrobson: wrong instance type MySQL was crashing
[17:00:52] <preilly>	 jdlrobson: I cloned the databases and files
[17:00:59] <preilly>	 jdlrobson: it's all the same
[17:04:57] <tfinc>	 jdlrobson: we lost you
[17:05:08] <jdlrobson>	 i can still hear..
[17:05:21] <jdlrobson>	 i should be still here...
[17:05:54] <tfinc>	 oh .. ok
[17:09:24] <jdlrobson>	 so preilly awjr how do I update MobileFrontend on mobile-testing ?
[17:09:39] <awjr>	 there's something busted on mobile-testing
[17:09:45] <jdlrobson>	 or is that what you are using preilly for your testing ?
[17:09:46] <preilly>	 awjr, jdlrobson: it is fine now
[17:09:47] <awjr>	 awjrichards@mobile-testing:~$ ls /var/www
[17:09:47] <awjr>	 ls: cannot access /var/www: Transport endpoint is not connected
[17:09:52] <awjr>	 kk
[17:09:56] <jdlrobson>	 its fixed k thx
[17:10:01] <jdlrobson>	 is anyone using it?
[17:10:05] <awjr>	 thanks preilly
[17:10:06] <jdlrobson>	 i want to put the new beta on quickly
[17:10:14] <preilly>	 awjr: it was glusterfs and swapping
[17:10:41] <awjr>	 doh
[17:11:06] <jdlrobson>	 take that as a no?
[17:11:21] <awjr>	 im not using it
[17:11:31] <jdlrobson>	 well someone will complain if they are so all good :)
[17:11:35] <preilly>	 I'm not using it either
[17:11:36] <awjr>	 :p
[17:12:37] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: MaxSem; "Decouple most mobile-related stuff from ExtMobileFrontend." [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/7795
[17:13:27] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: preilly; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/7795
[17:13:29] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: preilly; [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/7795
[17:13:52] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: preilly; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/7801
[17:14:06] <gerrit-wm>	 Change abandoned: preilly; "(no reason)" [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/7801
[17:14:20] <MaxSem>	 can someone deploy https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/7787/ ? we've got ML complaints about it
[17:15:30] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: preilly; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/7797
[17:15:32] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: preilly; [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/7797
[17:16:40] <awjr>	 MaxSem maybe - one sec
[17:16:43] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Jdlrobson; "first version of main menu navigation" [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/7668
[17:17:21] <preilly>	 jdlrobson: can https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/7668/ be merged?
[17:17:35] <jdlrobson>	 hang on preilly i'm finding a few issues since I refactored it
[17:17:39] <jdlrobson>	 will poke you when it's more stable
[17:17:46] <preilly>	 jdlrobson: okay
[17:18:05] <awjr>	 MaxSem if we do it quickly i think we can get it out now - there's a deployment scheduled in 40 minutes
[17:18:50] <awjr>	 preilly do you see any issue with cherrypicking and pushing out MaxSem's change?
[17:22:12] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Jdlrobson; "first version of main menu navigation" [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/7668
[17:22:37] <preilly>	 awjr: just the object checking in WmlContext.php ?
[17:22:44] <awjr>	 preilly yes
[17:22:57] <preilly>	 awjr: I don't think it should be a big issue
[17:23:19] <awjr>	 word.
[17:23:52] <preilly>	 jdlrobson: can you fix this https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/7791/1/README
[17:24:05] <preilly>	 jdlrobson: e.g., the wikitext bit
[17:24:49] <jdlrobson>	 yeh I wasn't sure what to write it in but I felt wikitext was a good idea since then you could copy and paste it or sync it up with a wikipage... i'll look into it once I've worked out my new nav issues
[17:25:24] <preilly>	 MaxSem: thoughts?
[17:25:43] <MaxSem>	 preilly, about wikitext or WmlContext?
[17:26:04] <preilly>	 MaxSem: about wikitext in README
[17:26:37] <MaxSem>	 wkitext in plaintext file will hamper readability
[17:27:01] <MaxSem>	 == headers == are fine, but [links] aren't needed
[17:27:11] * YuviPanda  seems to be on a spotty connection

[17:27:18] <awjr>	 MaxSem your fix should be live on testwiki, can you confirm?
[17:28:32] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Jdlrobson; "first version of main menu navigation" [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/7668
[17:28:41] <MaxSem>	 awjr, works now: https://test.wikipedia.org/w/api.php?action=parse&page=Main_Page&mobileformat=html
[17:29:05] <awjr>	 MaxSem awesome im going to push it to prod in just a sec
[17:29:45] <MaxSem>	 ahahah https://p.twimg.com/As3SrZWCIAAjDnq.jpg
[17:33:38] <tfinc>	 awjr: the ssd has been pretty awesome on my old laptop :D
[17:33:46] <awjr>	 tfinc :D
[17:33:55] <awjr>	 i saw your benchmarks on the 'book
[17:34:03] <awjr>	 pretty awesome
[17:34:10] <tfinc>	 yup, and it would be way faster if the laptops bus was newer
[17:34:15] <awjr>	 yup
[17:34:27] <awjr>	 im curious to try benchmarking as well
[17:34:55] <awjr>	 there has been a /very/ noticible increase in awesomeness for my laptop since the switch
[17:35:08] <tfinc>	 the bust maxes out at 190MB/sec so i'm not surprised that its clocking in a bit slower then that
[17:35:15] <tfinc>	 awjr: glad i suggested it :D
[17:35:47] <awjr>	 MaxSem your fix should be live now
[17:35:47] <tfinc>	 the only piece left is to zap the pram as the boot process pre apple logo is super slow
[17:36:03] <awjr>	 tfinc what model laptop is it?
[17:36:07] <MaxSem>	 awjr, great, thanks
[17:36:39] <awjr>	 aww crap, MaxSem i should've walked you through that
[17:36:52] * awjr  needs more coffee

[17:36:54] <MaxSem>	 git cherrypick?
[17:37:02] <MaxSem>	 I think I can handle it
[17:37:07] <awjr>	 MaxSem no dbout :)
[17:37:10] <awjr>	 s/dbout/doubt
[17:37:20] <awjr>	 there's an easier way to do it than what's currently documented
[17:38:24] <awjr>	 actually that's not entirely true - for rolling back to a  specific revision in a branch, there's an easier way to do it than what's documented
[17:38:34] <tfinc>	 awjr: http://www.ifixit.com/Device/MacBook_Pro_15%22_Core_2_Duo_Models_A1226_and_A1260
[17:38:34] * jerith  wanders off along the 101. Or maybe the 280.

[17:38:44] <tfinc>	 2.5GHZ Core 2 Duo
[17:38:49] <tfinc>	 last non unibody mac
[17:38:52] <awjr>	 since your fix was already in master and everything before it was already in prod, it was slightly different than just cherry-picking
[17:38:56] <jdlrobson>	 mmm something just broke beta in master
[17:39:04] <tfinc>	 jdlrobson: pm
[17:39:06] <jdlrobson>	 [16-May-2012 18:38:49] PHP Fatal error:  Call to undefined method MobileContext::setBetaGroupMember() in /git/mediawiki/MobileFrontend/MobileContext.php on line 148
[17:39:12] <awjr>	 tfinc: nice
[17:39:44] <awjr>	 classic.
[17:40:49] <MaxSem>	 jdlrobson, on it
[17:42:46] <preilly>	 MaxSem: are you missing a setter?
[17:42:53] <MaxSem>	 yup
[17:42:57] <tfinc>	 google = suck for not allowing me to make chrome canary my default browser
[17:43:09] <tfinc>	 their explicitly blocking it ... grr
[17:43:37] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: MaxSem; "Fix fatal in 9db8dc94b1b83999931fca3d0edf5e22ab1effb3" [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/7810
[17:44:30] <preilly>	 tfinc: You can’t do this within Canary itself. Since this is a nightly build edition of Chrome browser, the developers have intentionally disabled this feature. So to have Canary as your default browser:
[17:44:31] <preilly>	 Launch Safari
[17:44:32] <preilly>	 Click on Preferences
[17:44:33] <preilly>	 Under the tab General, choose Google Chrome Canary as the value for Default web browser
[17:44:50] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: preilly; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/7810
[17:44:52] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: preilly; [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/7810
[17:45:18] <tfinc>	 preilly: nice! ... that should work well
[17:45:31] <tfinc>	 no lets see if i regret this
[17:45:51] <awjr>	 what could possibly go wrong
[17:46:15] <awjr>	 nothing like living life on the bleeding edge
[17:46:40] <tfinc>	 awjr: its only 2 major versions ahead of their production release
[17:47:06] <awjr>	 hahaha yeah.
[17:47:08] <preilly>	  You should know the Canary is an unstable and untested build of Google Chrome. When the browser gets updated behind the scene, you may be introduced to a few bugs.
[17:47:47] <preilly>	 and from the Internet: One such bug deleted all the links in the Bookmark bar! And since my bookmarks are synced across browsers and devices using Xmarks, I lost the bookmarks in all my browsers in all my machines! I launched Firefox and watched the links disappear before my eyes and cried out in horror! Fortunately Xmarks keeps backups of your links in the cloud, so I was able to download the backup files and restore them. But I stopped using
[17:47:47] <preilly>	 Canary since then.
[17:47:48] <preilly>	 Morale of the story: use with caution!
[17:48:10] <awjr>	 lol
[17:48:27] <awjr>	 im sure it's going to be awesome
[17:49:02] <tfinc>	 preilly: good thing i don't use bookmarks
[17:49:10] <awjr>	 hahahaha
[17:49:24] <tfinc>	 i haven't used them in years. bookmarks are horrible wherever i use them
[17:49:30] <tfinc>	 search search search
[17:49:43] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Jdlrobson; "first version of main menu navigation" [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/7668
[17:50:03] <preilly>	 tfinc: yeah, I don't either but I thought that was a funny issue
[17:50:31] <tfinc>	 agreed
[17:51:54] <jdlrobson>	 behold ! new beta -> http://mobile-testing.wmflabs.org/w/index.php/Main_Page
[17:52:01] <tfinc>	 fancy
[17:52:12] <tfinc>	 Notice: Undefined index: mobile-frontend-language i
[17:52:15] <tfinc>	 :(
[17:52:29] <tfinc>	 when tapping the mw logo
[17:55:45] <preilly>	 behold: Notice: Undefined index: mobile-frontend-language in /data/project/www/wgit/core/includes/SkinTemplate.php on line 1277 Call Stack: 0.0037 633592 1. {main}() /data/project/www/wgit/core/index.php:0 0.3208 12784008 2. MediaWiki->run() /data/project/www/wgit/core/index.php:58 0.3209 12784008 3. MediaWiki->main() /data/project/www/wgit/core/includes/Wiki.php:502 0.5651 18742296 4. MediaWiki->finalCleanup()
[17:55:46] <preilly>	 /data/project/www/wgit/core/includes/Wiki.php:593 0.5652 18742376 5. OutputPage->output() /data/project/www/wgit/core/includes/Wiki.php:405 0.5857 19936160 6. SkinMobileBase->outputPage() /data/project/www/wgit/core/includes/OutputPage.php:2003 0.6902 21440104 7. SkinMobileTemplate->execute() /data/project/www/wgit/core/extensions/MobileFrontend/skins/SkinMobileBase.php:51 0.6976 21461368 8. SkinMobileTemplate->searchBox()
[17:55:47] <preilly>	 /data/project/www/wgit/core/extensions/MobileFrontend/skins/SkinMobile.php:334 0.6984 21464064 9. QuickTemplate->text() /data/project/www/wgit/core/extensions/MobileFrontend/skins/SkinMobile.php:490
[17:57:01] <jdlrobson>	 mm
[17:57:53] <jdlrobson>	 WFM... the mediawiki icon shouldn't be clickable at all
[17:59:42] <preilly>	 jdlrobson: is that your issue or MaxSem's
[17:59:51] <jdlrobson>	 i'm not sure
[18:00:22] <MaxSem>	 is it in his branch?
[18:00:27] <MaxSem>	 or master?
[18:00:47] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Jdlrobson; "first version of a README file for MobileFrontend extension" [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/7791
[18:01:42] <MaxSem>	 jdlrobson, $this->text( 'mobile-frontend-language' ) should be $this->msg( 'mobile-frontend-language' )
[18:01:50] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: preilly; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/7791
[18:01:53] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: preilly; [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/7791
[18:02:08] <jdlrobson>	 mm I'm sure someone told me to change that to be more explicit
[18:02:25] <preilly>	 jdlrobson: it's $this->msg( 'mobile-frontend-language' ) in master
[18:02:35] <jdlrobson>	 will change back and push again :)
[18:02:52] <MaxSem>	 jdlrobson, you should look up what functions do if you're unsure
[18:03:36] <MaxSem>	 QuickTemplate's function named msg() is not related to the one from ContextSource
[18:03:46] <MaxSem>	 they do different things
[18:03:58] <preilly>	 hence the same name
[18:04:06] <preilly>	 how in the world don't you get it jdlrobson
[18:04:08] <preilly>	 geesh
[18:04:19] <jdlrobson>	 lol
[18:04:32] <jdlrobson>	 someone warned me before joining that the mediawiki code was confusing :)
[18:04:34] <MaxSem>	 QuickTemplate::msg() prints a html-escaped message
[18:04:56] <MaxSem>	 ContextSource::msg() returns a Message object
[18:05:13] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Jdlrobson; "first version of main menu navigation" [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/7668
[18:05:16] <tfinc>	 the twitter sphere is fairly silent post deployment. only one black berry user reporting issues.
[18:05:23] <tfinc>	 i'll file a bug if they send over any details
[18:05:28] <preilly>	 consistency is important
[18:05:30] <jdlrobson>	 grr blackberry
[18:05:39] <MaxSem>	 so: SkinMobile is inherited from ContextSource
[18:05:41] <jdlrobson>	 tfinc: how many blackberrys have we in the office?
[18:05:44] <MaxSem>	 SkinMobileTemplate is inherited from QuickTemplate
[18:05:48] <jdlrobson>	 they are a pain to work with on emulators
[18:05:51] <tfinc>	 jdlrobson: check the list on office wiki
[18:05:56] <tfinc>	 i have at least 3 of them
[18:06:02] <preilly>	 jdlrobson: I think 3
[18:06:06] <jdlrobson>	 those will be most welcomed
[18:06:20] <tfinc>	 all of them are waiting on you to show up
[18:06:22] <preilly>	 jdlrobson: are you going to update the testing instance?
[18:06:30] <MaxSem>	 jdlrobson, no - you will be welcomed near those ;)
[18:06:32] <tfinc>	 especailly now that you have your shiny us visa
[18:06:36] <jdlrobson>	 do we have a donation box outside the office - we should collect people's rubbish phones that have internet access
[18:06:49] <jdlrobson>	 preilly: yup doing so now whilst eating dinner
[18:06:57] <jdlrobson>	 i'm not the best multi tasker ;-)
[18:07:10] <preilly>	 try not to say things like whilst once you get here okay?
[18:07:35] <tfinc>	 awjr: the script that i mentioned at the standup has one external dependancy ... if we end up using this a lot then i can likely remove it. made developement faster to just use the library
[18:07:42] <jdlrobson>	 what that blackberrys are welcomed?
[18:07:56] <awjr>	 tfinc i already forked the project and am adding to the readme, including a requirements section
[18:07:59] <preilly>	 jdlrobson: "whilst"
[18:08:06] <jdlrobson>	 what's wrong with whilst?
[18:08:09] <jdlrobson>	 is that too english for you?
[18:08:11] <tfinc>	 awjr: woot!
[18:08:19] <jdlrobson>	 preilly: updated on mobile-test
[18:08:37] <awjr>	 i love saying whilst, especially whilst talking with patrick
[18:08:38] <preilly>	 jdlrobson: we use "while" around these parts son
[18:09:22] <preilly>	 jdlrobson: I still see, "Notice: Undefined index: mobile-frontend-language in /data/project/www/wgit/core/includes/SkinTemplate.php on line 1277 Call Stack: 0.0050 647160 1. {main}() /data/project/www/wgit/core/index.php:0 0.3861 13977592 2. MediaWiki->run() /data/project/www/wgit/core/index.php:58 0.3862 13977592 3. MediaWiki->main() /data/project/www/wgit/core/includes/Wiki.php:502 0.7178 28972600 4. MediaWiki->finalCleanup()
[18:09:22] <preilly>	 /data/project/www/wgit/core/includes/Wiki.php:593 0.7179 28972680 5. OutputPage->output() /data/project/www/wgit/core/includes/Wiki.php:405 0.7548 31514576 6. SkinMobileBase->outputPage() /data/project/www/wgit/core/includes/OutputPage.php:2003 0.9337 34420552 7. SkinMobileTemplate->execute() /data/project/www/wgit/core/extensions/MobileFrontend/skins/SkinMobileBase.php:51 0.9565 34752736 8. SkinMobileTemplate->searchBox()
[18:09:23] <preilly>	 /data/project/www/wgit/core/extensions/MobileFrontend/skins/SkinMobile.php:334 0.9579 34755480 9. QuickTemplate->text() /data/project/www/wgit/core/extensions/MobileFrontend/skins/SkinMobile.php:490"
[18:09:45] <jdlrobson>	 really?
[18:09:47] <jdlrobson>	 whhyyyyy
[18:10:02] <preilly>	 jdlrobson: on http://mobile-testing.wmflabs.org/w/index.php/Main_Page?no= whilst&in_dis=parts
[18:10:16] <preilly>	 jdlrobson: in non beta mode
[18:10:28] <jdlrobson>	 ahh think i checked out the wrong head
[18:10:44] <jdlrobson>	 how are you getting non-beta anyway? I thought I forced beta on
[18:12:51] <jdlrobson>	 preilly: fixed now?
[18:13:45] <preilly>	 jdlrobson: http://mobile-testing.wmflabs.org/w/index.php/Main_Page?jon=checked_out_wrong_head seems to work
[18:13:53] <jdlrobson>	 spiffing
[18:14:21] <preilly>	 jdlrobson: we say splendid around these parts son
[18:14:55] * preilly  thinks jdlrobson is just a little too posh

[18:15:22] <MaxSem>	 speaking of beta... $wgMFConfigProperties makes no sense now that things have been moved into different parts
[18:15:28] <jdlrobson>	 one must now go out to drink a fine beverage at the tavern
[18:15:42] <jdlrobson>	 will you be jolly good without me?
[18:15:50] <preilly>	 I'm pissed
[18:17:15] <preilly>	 and podged
[18:17:20] <preilly>	 jdlrobson: yeah, we will make it
[18:17:38] <jdlrobson>	 by jove! I'm sorry to hear that
[18:17:40] <MaxSem>	 awjr, any luck with HTMLForm integration?
[18:18:00] <jdlrobson>	 goodbye gentlemen until to'mo
[18:18:19] <awjr>	 MaxSem: werdna −1'd my changeset
[18:18:33] <MaxSem>	 you haven't talked with him yet?
[18:18:50] <awjr>	 he wants me to refactor more, which is understandable, i just wanted to do as little as possible in that code because it was making my eyes bleed
[18:18:56] <MaxSem>	 I'm very anxious to make login forms mobile-friendly
[18:19:07] <awjr>	 MaxSem: i'll probably be dealing with it on Friday
[18:19:12] <MaxSem>	 cool
[18:20:07] * MaxSem  looks around...

[18:21:24] <tfinc>	 awjr: lets move the sibling calendar move over to the wiki now that its stabalized
[18:22:01] <preilly>	 s/stabalized/stabilized
[18:22:29] <awjr>	 k
[18:22:31] <preilly>	 tfinc: I read that as STAB******
[18:24:48] <preilly>	 tfinc: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uoWtvpg77oE&feature=youtu.be
[18:24:55] <tfinc>	 lolz
[18:25:38] <tfinc>	 wow ... lithuania used to be huge
[18:45:10] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: MaxSem; "Reorganize the extension setup file" [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/7817
[18:47:38] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: preilly; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/7817
[18:47:41] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: preilly; [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/7817
[18:48:08] <preilly>	 MaxSem: that seems a lot more logical
[18:48:50] <MaxSem>	 :)
[18:51:05] <tfinc>	 preilly: any reason to not make .mobile redirect to .m so that its easier to do analytics ?
[18:51:18] <tfinc>	 currently we keep .mobile for all subsequent requests
[18:51:48] <preilly>	 tfinc: hmm
[18:52:02] <preilly>	 tfinc: it should probably just redirect
[18:52:05] <tfinc>	 yes
[18:52:10] <preilly>	 tfinc: but I'm not sure at what level
[18:52:25] <tfinc>	 would that be anything more then a ticket to ops ?
[18:53:27] <preilly>	 nope
[18:59:17] <MaxSem>	 ololo
[18:59:36] <MaxSem>	 did you know that our blank.gif is copyrighted?
[18:59:38] <MaxSem>	 "Copyright 2007 Apple Inc.C, all rights reserved."
[19:01:57] <preilly>	 strings blank.gif Copyright 2007 Apple Inc.C, all rights reserved.
[19:05:57] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: MaxSem; "Aggressive lossless compression of images" [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/7818
[19:06:07] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: preilly; "remove metadata from image file" [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/7819
[19:06:34] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: preilly; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/7819
[19:06:36] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: preilly; [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/7819
[19:06:43] <preilly>	 MaxSem: fixed
[19:07:33] <tfinc>	 got a response from geonames
[19:07:49] <tfinc>	 they can't zero rate us (they don't have the hardware to do it) they did give us an in kind donation of credits
[19:08:04] <tfinc>	 we now have 60M queries to use
[19:08:17] <tfinc>	 far better then the 15M from yesterday :D
[19:08:25] <philinje>	 cool
[19:36:37] <MaxSem>	 tfinc, I've switched back to blocg post writing, but kind of stuck. I'm not sure about the proper strategy of explaining these highly technical things in a more general blog
[19:42:47] <tfinc>	 MaxSem: i'm happy to help. share what you have with me
[19:42:58] <tfinc>	 MaxSem: i typically start drafting in google and then move it to the blog
[19:47:06] <MaxSem>	 tfinc, I'm unsure about the general post strategy. on which auditory should this "hey, look - we have a mobile API!" be oriented?
[20:08:20] * tfinc  watches Yuvi speak @ TedX while muntching on lunch https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dnlNGkMlbUU

[20:17:31] <tfinc>	 zombies+ted+yuvi = awesome
[20:36:54] <tfinc>	 awjr_lunch preilly can you guys comment on https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=36894
[20:39:55] <awjr>	 bah had a brief power outage and now things in my home are wonky
[20:40:28] <awjr>	 including my laptop - it keeps switching between thinking it's plugged in and not
[20:42:21] <tfinc>	 awjr: k ... see my message above?
[20:42:27] <awjr>	 yeah
[20:42:32] <awjr>	 i will comment on it in a bit
[20:44:31] <awjr>	 have any of you ever had problems with your macbook switching between thinking it's plugged in and not?
[20:44:44] <awjr>	 gah i can't load google but i can ping and traceroute looks ok
[20:45:06] <MaxSem>	 I've commented
[20:46:32] <MaxSem>	 you may laugh, but automatic switching for vanilla MW would require some work:P
[20:46:57] <MaxSem>	 I was about to write a one-liner to do that when I realised that it's impossible
[20:54:37] <awjr>	 crap now my AC isn't working
[22:06:35] <MaxSem>	 YuviPanda, there's no refresh button in the app?
[22:06:57] <YuviPanda>	 MaxSem: nope
[22:07:31] <MaxSem>	 mm I see main page ~2 weeks old
[22:08:01] <MaxSem>	 guess what I will use if I will want to read WP not for testing? :P
[22:08:16] <YuviPanda>	 hmm, that bug was fixed in 1.0.2?
[22:08:37] * MaxSem  uses fresh WP beta

[22:08:39] <YuviPanda>	 MaxSem: which language is this?
[22:08:40] <YuviPanda>	 english?
[22:08:48] <MaxSem>	 yus
[22:09:39] <YuviPanda>	 MaxSem: hit the 'W' icon?
[22:10:06] <MaxSem>	 goes to ruwiki
[22:10:11] <MaxSem>	 which is another bug
[22:10:25] <YuviPanda>	 MaxSem: is your phone set to russian?
[22:10:38] <MaxSem>	 yes
[22:10:46] <YuviPanda>	 then ofcourse it will go to ruwiki :)
[22:11:43] <MaxSem>	 but I followed an interwiki, so home should go to the current site's main page
[22:12:20] <YuviPanda>	 MaxSem: changing the interwiki changes it only for the current page.
[22:12:43] <YuviPanda>	 language selection in general is confusing
[22:36:11] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: preilly; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/7818
[22:36:25] <preilly>	 MaxSem: https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/7818/
[22:36:36] <preilly>	 MaxSem: Your change could not be merged due to a path conflict. Please merge (or rebase) the change locally and upload the resolution for review.
[22:38:30] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: MaxSem; "Aggressive lossless compression of images" [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/7818
[22:38:38] <MaxSem>	 preilly, ^^
[22:40:51] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: preilly; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/7818
[22:40:53] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: preilly; [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/7818
[22:41:10] <preilly>	 MaxSem: thanks!
[22:58:49] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: preilly; "fix mode on common.css" [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/7836
[22:59:23] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: preilly; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/7836
[22:59:34] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: preilly; [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/7836
[23:15:39] <tfinc>	 philinje:  http://www.quora.com/Facebook-Growth-Traction/What-are-some-decisions-taken-by-the-Growth-team-at-Facebook-that-helped-Facebook-reach-500-million-users
[23:18:06] <preilly>	 tfinc: ha ha ha ha ha "Growth team" at Facebook
[23:28:27] <tfinc>	 awjr: ready when you are
[23:29:13] <awjr>	 oh yeah
[23:29:16] <awjr>	 firing up skype
[23:31:16] <awjr>	 tfinc sorry one sec
[23:31:35] <awjr>	 tfinc ok ready