[00:02:10] awjr: forgot to mention ... i *attempted* a 11D two nights ago :) [00:02:27] super incline for the first half [00:02:33] got past that and was destroyed [00:02:40] fun climb though [00:02:41] dang [00:02:44] that is for real [00:03:14] i have lost all understanding of what ratings mean anymore [00:03:16] hopefully next time i can tackle the other half [00:03:27] im sure your walls in tucson would beat me up [00:03:29] the ratings at the gym here are so much harder than those at misison cliffs [00:03:41] i think an '8' here is ~10a at mission cliffs [00:03:50] which actually lines up more closely to outdoor ratings i've seen [00:04:00] but still, it messes with my mind [00:19:48] have any of you read http://www.tbray.org/ongoing/When/201x/2012/05/02/Web-Futurez yet? [00:25:51] awjr: please tell me there is some sane way to collapse the tables on the migration page [00:26:05] tfinc i was just thinking the same thing. [00:26:22] worst case scenario i'll put them on subpages [00:26:51] preilly: excellent write up [00:30:39] tfinc: fixed [00:34:56] awjr: so much better [00:35:30] * YuviPanda smashes saved pages [00:35:40] awjr: the reason why we have some many wiktionary pages is because Amgine is being awesome and is creating them pre Wiktionary app launch [00:35:48] \o/ [00:35:57] YuviPanda: shouldn't you be sleeping? [00:36:16] 'should' is such a nice word... [00:36:27] tfinc: saved pages have been keeping me up [00:37:42] drdee: poke! Do you know how to get to clicktracking data? [00:38:25] tfinc: been trying to write 'upgrade' code to bring saved pages along from one version to the next. Not pretty. [00:38:30] awjr: i see you closed your pull request [00:38:38] tfinc: i had more chagnes to make [00:38:41] ahh ok [00:38:42] there will be another pull request shortly [00:39:33] awjr: now with more oop and state retention (while its running) [00:39:48] yep! [00:39:59] and command line args [00:40:00] oooo [00:44:28] * YuviPanda continues doing printf binary chop debugging [00:55:07] tfinc: seen https://github.com/mroth/lolcommits [00:55:07] ? [00:59:04] * YuviPanda enables it on his WikipediaMobile repo [01:01:15] ah, nevermind. It is written in ruby, so doesn't work [01:03:00] YuviPanda: ha ha [01:09:09] * YuviPanda goes to sleep [01:09:10] gnite everyone [01:17:43] YuviPanda: nite nite [01:22:44] tfinc: pull request resubmitted [01:29:29] YuviPanda: you might wanna check with DarTar / dario [10:49:36] New review: Jdlrobson; "Please review this is stable now." [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master) C: 0; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/7668 [10:50:49] D/PhoneGapLog( 7714): Error: undefined [10:51:16] it's times like this I wish phonegap had balls so I could kick them [13:18:46] poof, finally [14:08:48] MaxSem: am I able to add custom css to the mobile site like http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jdlrobson/vector.css ? [14:09:09] * MaxSem looks [14:10:09] yes, currently you can [14:10:19] how do I do that MaxSem ? [14:10:29] (background is I can't replicate a problem on my local due to importing not completely working and want to try it this way) [14:13:13] that's messy - we currently use user and site styles due to a bug [14:13:52] we should use mobile-specific styles (and scripts?) instead [14:14:15] my ResourceLoader patchset contains some work in this direction [14:15:03] by the way, the core change it depends on has finally been merged [14:15:57] I'm not sure I follow... [14:16:24] so I can add my own personal css or not? [14:21:20] or not... looks like I was wrong - we currently load only site CSS, not user [14:24:46] ok I'll try and work out what's going on with my bad imports [14:51:44] damn, no jon [15:04:36] YuviPanda, ^^ [15:06:05] MaxSem|android, yo [15:06:17] Meh [15:06:52] hey jdlrobson [15:07:02] hey YuviPanda [15:07:27] jdlrobson: the saved pages migration. https://github.com/yuvipanda/WikipediaMobile/commits/versioned-saved-pages [15:07:37] especially https://github.com/yuvipanda/WikipediaMobile/commit/61fdac5515eb8fc8bddf709540bc141f8c633cd2 [15:07:47] simple overlay [15:08:02] ok I'll have a look later. got a few things to do now then an interview at 5 [15:08:06] do look at it when you can - it's a tiny bit hairy. [15:08:07] sure [15:08:15] just wanted to get that in your queue [15:14:49] eek hairy [15:14:49] :) [15:15:10] yeah, hairy [15:15:22] it'll get hairier as I now write code to handle failure [15:15:47] as it sits in my head, it is simple. But we all know how well head-code translates to vim [15:16:57] * YuviPanda also hated the day long goose chase to find out that he wasn't encoding the URLs properly [15:19:11] * YuviPanda steps out for real dinner [15:19:31] jdlrobson: do leave comments if you can think of a way to do it unhairy-ly. [15:27:22] Change abandoned: Jdlrobson; "Needs more work... seems to be a major problem on iphone and android." [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/7668 [16:09:31] Kul & Amit in #Wikimedia-office to discuss Wikipedia Zero / WMF mobile strategy [17:38:58] New patchset: preilly; "fix to not separate else if into two words and it is somewhat faster too" [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/7872 [17:39:15] awjr: you around? [17:39:19] preilly yes [17:39:32] New review: preilly; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master); V: 1 C: 0; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/7670 [17:41:46] New review: awjrichards; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master); V: 1 C: 2; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/7872 [17:41:48] Change merged: awjrichards; [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/7872 [17:42:24] preilly what's up? [18:03:53] awjr: never mind [18:03:57] k [18:14:45] egh https://www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=User:Johnduhart&action=edit&redlink=1 [18:14:59] ? [18:15:29] "09:50, 9 April 2012 Johnduhart (Talk | contribs | block) deleted User:Johnduhart (Obviously the foundation doesn't care about volunteers anymore." looks like it was due to that MF2 debate [18:16:27] whoa [18:17:44] i mean, we disagreed with the need to create MF2, but we also said go for it if you really want to, plus i feel like we all offered to work with him [18:48:57] New review: Reedy; "I'm in ur wiki, deleting all ur javascripts" [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master); V: 0 C: 0; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/7670 [19:41:52] quiet in here today [19:42:06] philinje: http://www.ourmobileplanet.com/en/ [19:42:10] awjr: it certainly is [19:48:38] awjr: do you need anything from me on http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Mobile_default_for_sibling_projects ? [19:48:49] tfinc not at the moment [19:48:57] sweet [19:49:33] tfinc im waiting to see if anyone else has any comments before i file an RT ticket to create mobile domains for all the *.wikimedia.org project and mediawiki.org [19:49:49] awjr: throw in a quick status update for the project [19:49:59] so that people looking at http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Mobile will know [19:50:03] k [19:52:00] oh tfinc, unrelated but in the thread about the proposal for the mobile domain switch, phil asked if we're deploying the contact page on monday [19:52:10] i presume he was wondering if we're switching it from beta to default [19:52:38] yup [19:52:39] i've heard some chatter about it but im not really sure what the current status is [19:52:53] awjr: its ready to go. hows your time to switch it from beta to default ? [19:52:57] personally, i don't see any reason /not/ to make it default [19:53:01] phillippe is happy with it as is [19:53:05] cool [19:53:12] i can take a look right now, it shouldn't be a big deal [19:53:16] great [19:53:53] awjr: throw in an update to http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Mobile_Contact_US after we get it out [19:53:58] and mark the project as complete [19:54:01] word [19:54:07] then we can move it on http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Mobile [20:01:35] nice to see this rigged together http://mobile-geo.wmflabs.org/w/index.php/Test-driven_development?mobileaction=beta#_ [20:02:09] hell yeah [20:09:47] tfinc is the status supposed to update on project pages after a new status is added? [20:09:55] preilly: do you remember where we keep the portal code for https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=30389 ? [20:10:17] awjr: stupid project pages but. edit the /status page and update the date at the top [20:10:33] rmoen is working on a gadget that will make this far easier [20:10:43] groovy [20:12:12] awjr: how does that calendar line up with your time off ? [20:12:18] and the hackathon [20:12:49] tfinc, awjr: Yes. Should be complete soon. Just need to add some conflict handling and auto getting of project names [20:13:18] awjr: i'm really curious about the wikitech move as that'll be our first non wmf cluster wiki that supports mobile. it'll really force us to de-wikimedify the extension [20:13:34] tfinc the initial switchover would be 4 June, which is the monday before i leave for vacation (night of 8 June), the next switchover would happen while im gone, then commons would happen right as i return [20:13:44] tfinc yeah me too, i need to figure out how/where that's hosted [20:13:49] and what the configuration is like [20:14:01] so we'd have to transition the middle to MaxSem preilly is someone else .. k [20:14:07] tfinc: Roan knows [20:14:08] s/is/or [20:14:11] it may be non-trivial, but it could also line up nicely with us making our device detection not suck [20:14:24] awjr: i think its a great use case for us [20:14:29] aye [20:15:31] tfinc: it might be http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Www.wikipedia.org_template [20:15:47] that looks right [20:16:33] tfinc: and http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Www.wikipedia.org_template/temp for testing [20:16:51] preilly: thanks [20:18:24] tfinc: and www.wikipedia.org template contains the actual, raw HTML code that is displayed at http://www.wikipedia.org/. It is protected to prevent the insertion of malicious scripts or objects. Changes to the template will be displayed to visitors within one hour, but you can usually see them immediately once you clear your browser's cache. [20:18:24] Though www.wikipedia.org template is protected, the staging area is not: anyone can propose changes and updates there (detailed instructions). [20:18:25] Administrators: Always make your changes to www.wikipedia.org template/temp before copying them to www.wikipedia.org template, to keep the two pages in sync. [20:18:40] tfinc: seems like it is all explained on http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Www.wikipedia.org_template [20:19:21] preilly: thanks. i upated the bug for jon [20:30:05] New patchset: Jdlrobson; "first version of main menu navigation" [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/7892 [20:31:54] New patchset: Jdlrobson; "provide further help with search (see bug 36716)" [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/7893 [20:37:07] made a screencast of win8 tablet app: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/mediawiki/b/b4/Win8-metro-app-screencast.ogv [20:38:31] fancy [20:39:40] i'm submitting it provisionally into the store, so if all is well we should be available for the release candidate when it comes [secret date redacted] [20:40:17] scary stuff [20:40:18] :) [20:40:24] \o/ [20:40:45] when its available throw it on http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mobile_Projects/Platforms_Support_Status [20:41:14] brion: --^ [20:41:21] whee [20:52:33] New patchset: Jdlrobson; "first version of main menu navigation" [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/7892 [21:02:03] New patchset: awjrichards; "* Makes new contact form the default contact form (moving it out of beta) * Removes old contact form and logic * Wraps history link/activity info for footer in a check to ensure we're not on a SpecialPage, as attmpting to do these things on a SpecialPage " [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/7899 [21:33:50] preilly, MaxSem can one of you take a look at https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/7899 when you get a chance? [21:36:45] New review: MaxSem; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master) C: -1; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/7899 [21:38:28] New review: MaxSem; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master) C: -1; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/7899 [21:44:14] MaxSem: what is wrong with if ( $title->isSpecialPage() === false ) {? [21:45:46] it's bool [21:46:16] yeah... [21:46:17] you don't have to be sure it's not "0" or something [21:46:18] and? [21:46:21] that's true [21:46:31] yeah, just == is fine [21:46:36] for sure [21:46:44] === has just become habbit [21:46:55] how 'bout if ( $title->isSpecialPage() ) ? [21:46:56] could also just do !$this->isSpecialPage() [21:46:57] :P [22:25:26] New review: preilly; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master); V: 1 C: 2; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/7893 [22:25:27] Change merged: preilly; [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/7893 [22:25:36] since his hotel booking confirmation has been addressed to some mr. Pandian, /me is currently studying tampering with PDFs XD [22:26:07] New review: preilly; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master); V: 1 C: -1; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/7899 [22:42:37] New patchset: awjrichards; "* Makes new contact form the default contact form (moving it out of beta) * Removes old contact form and logic * Wraps history link/activity info for footer in a check to ensure we're not on a SpecialPage, as attmpting to do these things on a SpecialPage " [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/7899 [22:43:22] preilly, MaxSem ^ [22:44:58] New review: MaxSem; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master) C: 0; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/7899 [22:52:49] New patchset: awjrichards; "* Makes new contact form the default contact form (moving it out of beta) * Removes old contact form and logic * Wraps history link/activity info for footer in a check to ensure we're not on a SpecialPage, as attmpting to do these things on a SpecialPage " [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/7899 [22:52:55] MaxSem ^ [22:54:23] New review: MaxSem; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master) C: 0; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/7899 [22:54:24] awjr, sorry but:( [22:54:35] gahh [22:54:51] oh yeah good point [22:56:02] New patchset: awjrichards; "* Makes new contact form the default contact form (moving it out of beta) * Removes old contact form and logic * Wraps history link/activity info for footer in a check to ensure we're not on a SpecialPage, as attmpting to do these things on a SpecialPage " [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/7899 [22:56:19] MaxSem, last one i hope ^ [22:57:17] New review: MaxSem; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master) C: 1; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/7899 [22:58:32] preilly ^ [22:58:38] thanks MaxSem [23:29:18] philinje: RE https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=36943 i'm concerned that your messages didnt get posted to the feedback page - it works for me [23:30:46] preilly can you take a look at https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/7899? i'd like to get it merged [23:31:23] it resolves an issue introduced yesterday that breaks special pages (as well as making the new contact form default) [23:32:20] philinje: we should try to get any contact us issues resolved today if we're going to push it on monday - tomorrow's my 20% day and i'm only around for another 1.5hrs or so