[00:25:48] <awjr>	 dfoy: im trying one last thing to get the message updated in production - if this doesn't work, i think we have to wait until the regular i18n update stuff runs
[00:28:27] <Amgine>	 awjr: have you tried bugging Reedy (who is probably asleep or out drinking in Berlin)
[00:28:35] <awjr>	 Amgine yup
[00:28:53] <awjr>	 i've tried bugging everyone i can think of who might be around
[00:29:30] <Amgine>	 Well, he was the only one I knew was already there. Which, I suppose, is a reason for him to have gone afk.
[00:29:47] <awjr>	 heh yeah, it's like 2am there or something
[00:34:11] <philinje>	 awjr: when is the regular update?
[00:38:26] <awjr>	 philinje according to the documentation 2am UTC although i dont know how trustworthy the docs are, they're very out of date
[00:38:54] <awjr>	 but when i asked earlier today a few people said the same thing but that they weren't positive
[00:44:38] <awjr>	 dfoy you there?
[00:44:54] <dfoy>	 awjr:Yes
[00:45:28] <awjr>	 dfoy so my last ditch attempt to resolve the issue didn't seem to work and no one has been around to give me a definitive answer about when exactly the i18n updates normally happen
[00:45:37] <awjr>	 dfoy there is one more thing we can do though
[00:45:44] <dfoy>	 ok
[00:45:56] <awjr>	 dfoy you can override message translations for a particular wiki
[00:46:21] <dfoy>	 how does that work?
[00:46:25] <awjr>	 dfoy to do that, go to the wiki you want to override the message on and go to "Mediawiki:<message name>"
[00:46:41] <awjr>	 you might need to do MediaWiki:<message name>/<lang code>
[00:46:56] <awjr>	 for instance: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Zero-rated-mobile-access-banner-text-grameenphone-bangladesh/bn
[00:48:01] <dfoy>	 I wonder if this would work for the banners on the phone though, they are not part of the wiki itself (that I know of)
[00:48:57] <awjr>	 i dont really know how ZeroRated banners work, but if they're pulling messages from MediaWiki then it should
[00:48:58] <awjr>	 ah
[00:48:58] <awjr>	 dfoy
[00:49:07] <awjr>	 i just confirmed that the updates should happen automatically at 2am UTC
[00:49:22] <dfoy>	 ok
[00:49:31] <awjr>	 if you can wait til then that's probably the best thing to do
[00:50:21] <awjr>	 philinje: what are the cache issues you just mailed about?
[00:53:00] <dfoy>	 so that's 6PM  PDT, about 10 minutes?
[00:53:23] <awjr>	 dfoy: 1hr 7minutes
[00:53:31] <dfoy>	 sure that will be fine.
[00:53:33] <dfoy>	 Thanks!
[00:53:40] <awjr>	 dfoy cool no problem
[01:01:29] <philinje>	 awjr: related to this, I thought, or was it the css issue?
[01:01:51] <awjr>	 philinje no caching issues that i know, although the css issue might be related. but i do not think it's urgent
[01:02:43] <awjr>	 philinje i've not been able to manually update the non-english i18n messages for some reason and no one's been around to explain why/how things work/etc, but the normal i18n update process that takes care of all of that automatically happens in an hour
[01:02:49] <awjr>	 i checked with dan and he said that should be fine
[07:56:44] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Jdlrobson; "fix table of contents for ios 4.*" [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/9497
[13:50:28] <jerith>	 I see you guys mentioned us in a job ad. \o/
[20:17:38] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: L10n-bot; "Localisation updates from http://translatewiki.net." [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/9556
[21:01:38] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Reedy; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/9556
[21:01:40] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Reedy; [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/9556
[22:10:53] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: awjrichards; "This looks fine, but I do not have a reliable way to test ios4*" [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master); V: 0 C: 1;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/9497
[23:11:51] <philinje>	 awjr: hi
[23:11:59] <awjr>	 hi philinje
[23:12:16] <philinje>	 feel like chatting on Skype?
[23:12:32] <awjr>	 philinje im kinda heads down at the moment
[23:12:37] <philinje>	 ok
[23:12:39] <awjr>	 what's up?
[23:13:14] <philinje>	 just to give you an update on the sister projects, which to be honest has been back burner until now
[23:14:01] <philinje>	 i will work on a new instruction page with Dan this afternoon and get some text ready for sending to the Village Pumps
[23:14:16] <awjr>	 philinje ok cool - im happy to chat once i get to a good stopping point
[23:14:44] <philinje>	 actually, that was it on my end, but it may be good to chat anyway
[23:14:53] <awjr>	 oh ok cool
[23:15:06] <awjr>	 dunno if you've seen my mails to mobile-tech but we have to reschedule the first switchover anyway
[23:15:43] <philinje>	 just saw that, makes sense