[15:05:58] <wikipedia-github>	 [WikipediaMobile] siebrand pushed 1 new commit to master: http://git.io/rjN7Wg
[15:05:58] <wikipedia-github>	 [WikipediaMobile/master] Localisation updates from http://translatewiki.net. - Siebrand Mazeland
[17:34:59] <philinje>	 awjr: hi
[17:35:04] <awjr>	 hi philinje
[17:35:13] <philinje>	 how was your weekend?
[17:35:31] <awjr>	 pretty good
[17:35:51] <awjr>	 mostly wedding planning-oriented but managed to get some r&r in as well
[17:35:52] <philinje>	 i was trying to connect with the mobile folks in Berlin
[17:35:52] <awjr>	 you?
[17:36:11] <philinje>	 plus we are still un-packing an dealing with the new place
[17:36:27] <awjr>	 oh yeah - that job can take an eternity
[17:36:33] <philinje>	 not much r&r, sadly :(
[17:37:24] <philinje>	 lindsey is back, but no real point in a stand-up, unless you think otherwise
[17:37:48] <awjr>	 nah i dont think so
[17:37:55] <philinje>	 ok
[17:37:57] <awjr>	 when does everyone get back?
[17:38:25] <philinje>	 Patrick is back on Thur, Jon is back at home now, probably we'll hear from him tomorrow
[17:39:07] <philinje>	 same with Yuvi
[17:39:17] <philinje>	 not sure about Max
[17:39:21] <awjr>	 ok cool
[17:39:41] <philinje>	 did you see the email from Tomasz?
[17:39:49] <philinje>	 {the one I forwarded}
[17:40:03] <awjr>	 yeah
[17:40:28] <philinje>	 I guess we should chat with Max to see if he can help
[17:40:38] <awjr>	 given that, im not really sure what the next move is - i was going to wait until i could talk to max or patrick to move forward
[17:40:45] <awjr>	 yeah
[17:40:53] <awjr>	 otherwise we'll need to just wait until i get back in july
[17:40:58] <philinje>	 i really doubt Patrick is up for it - he is pretty busy with Zero these days
[17:41:03] <awjr>	 yeah no doubt
[17:41:27] <philinje>	 did you see Patrick's comment on the token-related bug?
[17:42:02] <awjr>	 yep
[17:42:26] <philinje>	 is that something we could push soon?
[17:42:35] <awjr>	 shouldnt be a big deal but we'll need operations support to get any change to that config deployed
[17:42:52] <awjr>	 i think typically ryan lane, asher or leslie would do it but i think they're all travelling
[17:43:02] <philinje>	 are you in touch with Mark?
[17:43:07] <awjr>	 philinje i can be
[17:43:38] <awjr>	 philinje probably the thing to do is commit a change to the config and email the operations team to see who might be available to help and when
[17:43:52] <philinje>	 ok
[17:44:10] <philinje>	 does a config change like that depend on the weekly mw deployment?
[17:44:44] <awjr>	 philinje no it's totally different
[17:44:52] <awjr>	 it's an operational change
[17:45:02] <philinje>	 ok, so it's just when someone gets to it
[17:45:10] <awjr>	 basically yeah
[17:45:32] <philinje>	 we have a demo on Thur at the metrics meeting
[17:45:53] <awjr>	 philinje i'll get the ball rolling.
[17:46:09] <philinje>	 cool, thanks
[18:52:55] <Alchimista>	 hello, i'm getting on otrs some messages from different mails with subject: [Mobile feedback] Regarding another problem
[18:53:33] <Alchimista>	 and on the message there is sent by *model of a celular* is this related with mobile stuff?
[18:53:41] <awjr>	 hi Alchimistra
[18:54:04] <awjr>	 Alchimistra it may or may not be
[18:55:23] <awjr>	 Alchimistra if someone views the equivalent of the 'contact us' page in the mobile view and they select the option 'regarding another problem', it will send an email to OTRS
[18:55:42] <awjr>	 all emails originating from that page has the [Mobile feedback] line in the subject, just to make it clear to OTRS folks where it came from
[18:56:23] <Alchimista>	 but is it working ok? There is no text message on the body, just the indication of the celular device
[18:57:15] <awjr>	 Alchimistra what's the ticket #?
[18:57:48] <Alchimista>	 Ticket#: 2012060210006966 and Ticket#: 2012052410014104 for example
[18:58:42] <awjr>	 zomg i hate otrs
[18:59:16] <Alchimista>	 hehe
[18:59:20] <awjr>	 Alchimistra im using the 'search' feature and can't find those tickets :(
[18:59:42] <Alchimista>	 why the search? o.O https://ticket.wikimedia.org/otrs/index.pl?Action=AgentTicketZoom&TicketID=6562367
[19:00:00] <awjr>	 oh i geuss i dont have permission to view those
[19:00:10] <awjr>	 which might be the problem
[19:00:58] <Alchimista>	 do u have acces so strange stuff queue?
[19:01:26] <awjr>	 Alchimista: i suspect that if the user emailed the model information of their mobile phone that it was intended for the mobile team
[19:02:12] <awjr>	 Alchimista: yeah i do have access to strange stuff
[19:02:55] <Alchimista>	 https://ticket.wikimedia.org/otrs/index.pl?Action=AgentTicketZoom&TicketID=6562367
[19:03:30] <awjr>	 Alchimista i suspect a user clicked the link on the mobile feedback page and just sent the email without adding any details
[19:03:32] <Alchimista>	 "Enviado por " == sent by, or sent using
[19:03:38] <awjr>	 yeah
[19:03:47] <awjr>	 that line was probably added automatically by the phone
[19:03:53] <Alchimista>	 there are two mails like that, and they aren't the unique
[19:04:04] <awjr>	 can i see the other?
[19:05:03] <Alchimista>	 https://ticket.wikimedia.org/otrs/index.pl?Action=AgentTicketZoom&TicketID=6571514
[19:05:13] <awjr>	 yeah, same thing
[19:05:34] <awjr>	 they are the equivalent of an empty email
[19:05:38] <awjr>	 Alchimista ^
[19:06:14] <Alchimista>	 well, i'll try to reproduce the mail, just to check if it's not a prob
[19:07:29] <Alchimista>	 well, i don't have the app :P
[19:07:33] <Alchimista>	 so i'll just close them
[19:07:52] <awjr>	 Alchimista: that should be fine
[19:08:06] <awjr>	 Alchimista: also you don't need the app to view the mobile version of wikipedia
[19:08:11] <awjr>	 <lang code>.m.wikipedia.org
[19:08:30] <awjr>	 you can do that even in a desktop browser
[19:09:37] <Alchimista>	 yah, now i saw.
[19:59:36] <awjr_lunch>	 'nick awjr
[20:30:59] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: awjrichards; "Moves view toggling logic to context" [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/10147
[20:49:55] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: L10n-bot; "Localisation updates from http://translatewiki.net." [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/10165
[20:52:32] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Demon; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/10165
[20:52:32] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Demon; [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/10165
[21:32:44] <philinje>	 awjr: hi
[21:33:19] <awjr>	 hi philinje
[21:33:52] <philinje>	 did you notice that the footer says only Wikipedia, and that doesn't work for the sister projects?
[21:34:01] <awjr>	 no
[21:34:18] <philinje>	 i think that's functionality we need to add
[21:34:34] <awjr>	 philinje agreed
[21:34:58] <philinje>	 i can file a bug, but is that a big project?
[21:35:14] <awjr>	 philinje give me a second to look - i'd be surprised if that's not already configurable
[21:39:07] <philinje>	 ok
[21:41:27] <awjr>	 philinje i see what's happening - it's kinda weird
[21:41:39] <philinje>	 really?
[21:41:51] <awjr>	 basically, if a user is viewing the project  with the 'en' language code, it will show the Wikipedia copyright logo
[21:42:13] <awjr>	 if they view any project in any other language, it will show just the site name
[21:42:47] <awjr>	 http://en.m.wikipedia.org/#_ vs http://de.m.wikipedia.org/#_ vs http://en.m.wiktionary.org/ vs http://de.m.wiktionary.org/
[21:45:02] <awjr>	 philinje i might actually be able to semi-fix it with just a configuration change
[21:45:22] <awjr>	 so that way the wikipedia logo only appears on english wikipedia, and any other language/project would just show the sitename
[21:47:08] <philinje>	 hmm, would the site name be the short version, like Wiktionary?
[21:47:09] <awjr>	 philinje actually i take it back, this will require some more thought
[21:47:22] <awjr>	 but to answer your last question, yes
[21:47:29] <awjr>	 and localized in the current language
[21:47:39] <awjr>	 eg: http://ru.m.wikipedia.org/
[21:48:01] <awjr>	 philinje can you please file a bug?
[21:48:09] <philinje>	 sure
[21:48:14] <awjr>	 this is going to require some discussion with the team i think
[21:48:37] <awjr>	 i can see a few ways to deal with it, but i suspect it's the way it is right now for a reason
[21:48:47] <philinje>	 ok. I thought when we implemented the footer, it was a string that had to be translated fresh, meaning it was not a string that was picked up from somewhere else
[21:49:56] <philinje>	 not sure why, using the site name sounds like a better approach
[21:50:31] <awjr>	 philinje you are correct about the implementation, but it essentially just works out to be the site name
[21:50:48] <philinje>	 yes, the site name approach sounds better
[21:51:03] <awjr>	 philinje this is what the current i18n message looks like:
[21:51:04] <awjr>	 'mobile-frontend-footer-sitename' => '{{SITENAME}}',
[21:51:15] <awjr>	 {{SITENAME}} is a token for sitename
[21:51:20] <philinje>	 i see
[21:51:29] <philinje>	 so it is using the site name currently?
[21:51:58] <awjr>	 the advantage to doing it the way it is as currently implemented is that it allows us to add translated text around {{SITENAME}} if we want
[21:52:02] <awjr>	 philinje yes
[21:52:10] <awjr>	 philinje just via an i18n message
[21:52:16] <philinje>	 yes
[21:52:28] <philinje>	 but it's not picking up the actual sitename
[21:52:34] <philinje>	 on the sister projects
[21:52:39] <awjr>	 philinje yes it is
[21:52:50] <awjr>	 as long as the language is not english
[21:53:03] <philinje>	 oh, it's the logo in English
[21:53:09] <awjr>	 correct
[21:53:15] <philinje>	 now I know how to file the bug
[21:53:30] <awjr>	 :)
[21:53:49] <awjr>	 philinje while you're doing that i'll see about a quick-ish fix to run by everyone
[21:54:02] <philinje>	 cool
[21:54:08] <awjr>	 or rather, i'll do that when i get to a good stopping point on what im doing now
[21:54:16] <philinje>	 sure
[22:21:17] <philinje>	 bug filed and referenced in the instructions
[22:21:30] <philinje>	 37328
[22:32:59] <awjr>	 jdlrobson you there?
[22:34:21] <jdlrobson>	 hey awjr just heading to bed whats up?
[22:34:29] <awjr>	 quick q for you if you don't mind
[22:34:39] <jdlrobson>	 np
[22:34:42] <awjr>	 jdlrobson did you create the copyright logo for enwiki? (logo + ®)
[22:34:53] <awjr>	 introduced here: https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/3757/
[22:35:07] <jdlrobson>	 as in did I make the png or as in did I write the code that introduced it?
[22:35:12] <jdlrobson>	 latter yes..
[22:35:36] <awjr>	 heh ok do you know where you found the artwork? i'd like to upload it to commons
[22:35:51] <awjr>	 so we can resolve https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=37328
[22:36:16] <jdlrobson>	 The artwork as in the wikipedia logo?
[22:36:24] <jdlrobson>	 it was an asset from heather or lindsey - forget who
[22:36:31] <awjr>	 yeah
[22:36:33] <awjr>	 ok cool thanks
[22:36:42] <awjr>	 sleep well :)
[22:36:58] <jdlrobson>	 just a word of caution
[22:37:03] <jdlrobson>	 the TM / R is important
[22:37:18] <awjr>	 yeah - that's why i want to make sure to use that specific file
[22:37:27] <jdlrobson>	 cool
[22:37:46] <awjr>	 heatherw, linsmith did one of you create this image: http://test.wikipedia.org/w/static-1.20wmf4/extensions/MobileFrontend/stylesheets/images/logo-copyright-en.png ?
[22:37:50] <jdlrobson>	 when you make it configurable will it be possible for other languages to introduce their own images?
[22:38:02] <awjr>	 jdlrobson it actually already is configurable, and yes
[22:38:12] <awjr>	 we're just not taking advantage of it in a sane way
[22:38:35] <awjr>	 linSmith ^^
[22:39:00] <jdlrobson>	 i mean.. i'm pretty sure that in the current state if fr.wikipedia.org wanted to have a wikipedia logo it couldn't
[22:39:20] <awjr>	 jdlrobson it could, but it would have to be configured
[22:39:26] <jdlrobson>	 $wgMFCustomLogos['copyright']['en'] would be better
[22:39:44] <jdlrobson>	 then other languages could register logos such as $wgMFCustomLogos['copyright']['fr']
[22:39:51] <awjr>	 jdlrobson we ahve the ability to customize the logo for any project
[22:40:01] <awjr>	 we don't even need to include the lang code in that array
[22:40:09] <linSmith>	 awjr: wasn't mine, sorry
[22:40:16] <awjr>	 we just set the value of that array for the given project
[22:40:19] <jdlrobson>	 but what i'm saying is that the wikipedia logo varies per language
[22:40:25] <awjr>	 linSmith no worries
[22:40:35] <awjr>	 jdlrobson per language project or interface language?
[22:41:03] <jdlrobson>	 so concrete example
[22:41:13] <jdlrobson>	 say i wanted to introduce a text logo for russian wikipedia
[22:41:14] <jdlrobson>	 http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f6/Wikipedia-logo-v2-ru.png
[22:41:22] <jdlrobson>	 e.g. the above without the globe
[22:41:39] <jdlrobson>	 I might be wrong but I don't think that's possible in the current state.. we only print the site name
[22:42:14] <jdlrobson>	 i think current logic is if english show image of logo with site name as alt, if not show sitename
[22:42:18] <awjr>	 jdlrobson: actually, you're right - but we have everything else already in place to make it work right, the code just needs to be changed a bit
[22:42:33] <jdlrobson>	 awesome
[22:42:36] <jdlrobson>	 anyway.. need sleep
[22:42:40] <jdlrobson>	 still awake on 2hrs
[22:42:44] <jdlrobson>	 not healthy :)
[22:42:59] <awjr>	 now i just need to figure out who made our logo so i can upload it to commons
[22:43:01] <awjr>	 no go to sleep!
[22:43:11] <philinje>	 awjr: i think it was heather
[22:43:15] <awjr>	 philinje thanks
[22:44:45] <philinje>	 awjr: should be on Commons, she usually outs everything there
[22:44:59] <jdlrobson>	 awjr: try looking at the footer designs on mediawiki.org
[22:45:02] <jdlrobson>	 sure it will be in there
[22:45:05] <jdlrobson>	 can't find link right now
[22:45:10] <awjr>	 i'll look thanks
[22:45:44] <philinje>	 jdlrobson: let's catch up tomorrow
[22:45:58] <philinje>	 get some rest  :)
[23:38:57] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: awjrichards; "Always use $wgMFCustomLogos if one is set. With proper configuration, resolves bug 37328." [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/10202
[23:41:58] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: awjrichards; "Always use $wgMFCustomLogos if one is set. With proper configuration, resolves bug 37328." [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/10202
[23:53:06] <heatherw>	 what logo? philinje awjr
[23:53:27] <awjr>	 heatherw http://test.wikipedia.org/w/static-1.20wmf4/extensions/MobileFrontend/stylesheets/images/logo-copyright-en.png
[23:53:49] <awjr>	 heatherw but it occurred to me i dont think we can host copyrighted registered trademarks on commons
[23:54:09] <heatherw>	 there seems to be a special case for Wikimedia
[23:54:44] <awjr>	 heatherw: oh cool - what do you need to do for that?
[23:55:27] <heatherw>	 example http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikipedia-logo.png
[23:56:07] <heatherw>	 want it on commons? in what form awjr
[23:56:36] <awjr>	 heatherw as-is is fine, i think
[23:56:48] <heatherw>	 png?
[23:58:09] <awjr>	 heatherw yeah, that's what we've been using